HERE WE GO: Trump Declares Biden's 'Autopen' Pardons "VOID, VACANT,..."

[BADecker]

I usually start with a disclaimer for something like this. I say something like, "It seems that..." But in this case, it doesn't seem like. It is really true that Biden didn't sign the majority of the things that were attributed to him. It was two 'autopens' that did the signing, and he didn't even realize that things were being signed. This is evident from the fact that he was off golfing in a different part of the world while some things were being signed in Washington.

Trump's team is investigating this, and Trump is already reversing some of this illegal activity by the Biden team and regime.


HERE WE GO: Trump Declares Biden’s ‘Autopen’ Pardons “VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT”


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/here-we-go-trump-declares-bidens-autopen-pardons/
The political reckoning has begun.

President Donald Trump has delivered a devastating blow to the radical left's anti-Trump crusade, declaring the shady "pardons" issued by Sleepy Joe Biden to be "VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT."

In a late-night announcement on Truth Social, Trump announced:

"The "Pardons" that Sleepy Joe Biden gave to the Unselect Committee of Political Thugs, and many others, are hereby declared VOID, VACANT, AND OF NO FURTHER FORCE OR EFFECT, because of the fact that they were done by Autopen.

In other words, Joe Biden did not sign them but, more importantly, he did not know anything about them! The necessary Pardoning Documents were not explained to, or approved by, Biden.

He knew nothing about them, and the people that did may have committed a crime. Therefore, those on the Unselect Committee, who destroyed and deleted ALL evidence obtained during their two year Witch Hunt of me, and many other innocent people, should fully understand that they are subject to investigation at the highest level.

The fact is, they were probably responsible for the Documents that were signed on their behalf without the knowledge or consent of the Worst President in the History of our Country, Crooked Joe Biden!"
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[paxmao]

This is actually quite important. Unless Trump proclaims himself "emperor", he has himself issued more than 1000 pardons (I think).

Trump and the acolites should have no doubt that if he decides to cancel the pardons (I think it will be stopped in court anyway) this is a precedent that cuts both ways. He is also being quite revengeful on people who have - acording to his deranged narcissism - gone against him.

I am sure Trump expects to die before he can see how the Democrats cancel those pardons and, since he has gone full revenge, the Democrats will be perfectly entlited to go full revenge against his supporters, reopen cases, etc...

So... sure, keep on the revenge... it is a boomerang.

[BADecker]

This is actually quite important. Unless Trump proclaims himself "emperor", he has himself issued more than 1000 pardons (I think).

Trump and the acolites should have no doubt that if he decides to cancel the pardons (I think it will be stopped in court anyway) this is a precedent that cuts both ways. He is also being quite revengeful on people who have - acording to his deranged narcissism - gone against him.

I am sure Trump expects to die before he can see how the Democrats cancel those pardons and, since he has gone full revenge, the Democrats will be perfectly entlited to go full revenge against his supporters, reopen cases, etc...

So... sure, keep on the revenge... it is a boomerang.

But the point of this thread is that Biden didn't sign a lot of the pardons that were attributed to him. However, Trump DID signed the ones that he signed. Since Biden didn't sign them, how can they be valid, since they might not even be valid if he had signed them, in some cases?

What this means is that the so-called Biden pardons were not really pardons at all. They were simply nonsense at best, or illegal activity at worst. We are finding that the whole Biden regime was an illegal activity that the Deep State was using, because they didn't really have any other feasible way to get what they wanted.

But we knew this already back at the fraudulent activity the Deep State was doing in the 2020 election.

[paxmao]

This is actually quite important. Unless Trump proclaims himself "emperor", he has himself issued more than 1000 pardons (I think).

Trump and the acolites should have no doubt that if he decides to cancel the pardons (I think it will be stopped in court anyway) this is a precedent that cuts both ways. He is also being quite revengeful on people who have - acording to his deranged narcissism - gone against him.

I am sure Trump expects to die before he can see how the Democrats cancel those pardons and, since he has gone full revenge, the Democrats will be perfectly entlited to go full revenge against his supporters, reopen cases, etc...

So... sure, keep on the revenge... it is a boomerang.

But the point of this thread is that Biden didn't sign a lot of the pardons that were attributed to him. However, Trump DID signed the ones that he signed. Since Biden didn't sign them, how can they be valid, since they might not even be valid if he had signed them, in some cases?

What this means is that the so-called Biden pardons were not really pardons at all. They were simply nonsense at best, or illegal activity at worst. We are finding that the whole Biden regime was an illegal activity that the Deep State was using, because they didn't really have any other feasible way to get what they wanted.

But we knew this already back at the fraudulent activity the Deep State was doing in the 2020 election.

That is narrative. The fact remains. If needed, I am sure Dems can create an equally valid narrative or find whatever other "reason". Again, revenge is a boomerang and Trump has gone as far as signing an specific presidential order targeting individuals and specific law firms.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-suspends-security-clearance-people-paul-weiss-law-firm-2025-03-15/

This is as dictatorial as a government gets - all direct commands as oposed to Congress debated. But... what goes up, goes down. Trump will probably be dead before someone undoes all his disastrous policies.

[BADecker]

This is actually quite important. Unless Trump proclaims himself "emperor", he has himself issued more than 1000 pardons (I think).

Trump and the acolites should have no doubt that if he decides to cancel the pardons (I think it will be stopped in court anyway) this is a precedent that cuts both ways. He is also being quite revengeful on people who have - acording to his deranged narcissism - gone against him.

I am sure Trump expects to die before he can see how the Democrats cancel those pardons and, since he has gone full revenge, the Democrats will be perfectly entlited to go full revenge against his supporters, reopen cases, etc...

So... sure, keep on the revenge... it is a boomerang.

But the point of this thread is that Biden didn't sign a lot of the pardons that were attributed to him. However, Trump DID signed the ones that he signed. Since Biden didn't sign them, how can they be valid, since they might not even be valid if he had signed them, in some cases?

What this means is that the so-called Biden pardons were not really pardons at all. They were simply nonsense at best, or illegal activity at worst. We are finding that the whole Biden regime was an illegal activity that the Deep State was using, because they didn't really have any other feasible way to get what they wanted.

But we knew this already back at the fraudulent activity the Deep State was doing in the 2020 election.

That is narrative. The fact remains. If needed, I am sure Dems can create an equally valid narrative or find whatever other "reason". Again, revenge is a boomerang and Trump has gone as far as signing an specific presidential order targeting individuals and specific law firms.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-suspends-security-clearance-people-paul-weiss-law-firm-2025-03-15/

This is as dictatorial as a government gets - all direct commands as oposed to Congress debated. But... what goes up, goes down. Trump will probably be dead before someone undoes all his disastrous policies.

Let me use your own thinking, here. A corporation has a president or CEO. In many ways this president or CEO is like a dictator even though he opposes the members of the board. How much more when Trump uses the authority he has been granted by the Constitution, Congress, and the courts, even if it looks like he is acting as a complete dictator. He is simply doing his job as authorized.

You can be sure as you want that Dems can this or that. But until they do, it's just wishful thinking. After all, it is not revenge that Trump is doing. He is simply making the way clear for MAGA. He'd do it even if there wasn't anything to avenge. He is simply doing what he does... running the country.

Now consider. What if a judge had been appointed by one of the Biden autopens. And what if it was done while Biden was out of town (golfing). And what if there weren't even any marginal notes anywhere where Biden authorized somebody to use his signature on the appointment. That judge was really not a judge. And all his adjudications mean nothing. Think of the mess trying to clean up the things that he did, if not illegally, then certainly unconscionably.

This is like some of the stuff that the Trump people have to sort through, and figure out which Biden laws are binding and which aren't. Then they have to go through the results of the non-binding ones, and straighten out the whole set of results. DOGE isn't big enough.

[Hispo]

This is actually quite important. Unless Trump proclaims himself "emperor", he has himself issued more than 1000 pardons (I think).

Trump and the acolites should have no doubt that if he decides to cancel the pardons (I think it will be stopped in court anyway) this is a precedent that cuts both ways. He is also being quite revengeful on people who have - acording to his deranged narcissism - gone against him.

I am sure Trump expects to die before he can see how the Democrats cancel those pardons and, since he has gone full revenge, the Democrats will be perfectly entlited to go full revenge against his supporters, reopen cases, etc...

So... sure, keep on the revenge... it is a boomerang.

We are seeing the current president of the United States to use revenge as a way to govern and treat their political adversaries, I wonder what could possibly go wrong, right?
It is quite ironic to see Trump unleashed and being so explicit in this way, when months ago when he was swore in as the president of the country, he declared he wanted to unify the country and the people in it, for the sake of a better future and make America great. Now, it seems his priorities has switched towards doing as much damage as possible against those who are within the democrat party or affiliated to that party. This is not about finding common grounds to make a country prosperous anymore, this is about personal revenge and the use of executive power to achieve such revenge.
All of this it is very toxic to the American democracy and those who believe in it.

[BADecker]

This is actually quite important. Unless Trump proclaims himself "emperor", he has himself issued more than 1000 pardons (I think).

Trump and the acolites should have no doubt that if he decides to cancel the pardons (I think it will be stopped in court anyway) this is a precedent that cuts both ways. He is also being quite revengeful on people who have - acording to his deranged narcissism - gone against him.

I am sure Trump expects to die before he can see how the Democrats cancel those pardons and, since he has gone full revenge, the Democrats will be perfectly entlited to go full revenge against his supporters, reopen cases, etc...

So... sure, keep on the revenge... it is a boomerang.

We are seeing the current president of the United States to use revenge as a way to govern and treat their political adversaries, I wonder what could possibly go wrong, right?
It is quite ironic to see Trump unleashed and being so explicit in this way, when months ago when he was swore in as the president of the country, he declared he wanted to unify the country and the people in it, for the sake of a better future and make America great. Now, it seems his priorities has switched towards doing as much damage as possible against those who are within the democrat party or affiliated to that party. This is not about finding common grounds to make a country prosperous anymore, this is about personal revenge and the use of executive power to achieve such revenge.
All of this it is very toxic to the American democracy and those who believe in it.

But what does correcting Biden literal illegal mistakes have anything to do with Trump revenge?

Even if it is revenge in a funny way of how Trump might feel, Trump is correcting Biden and Deep State illegality and evil.

If you want illegal and evil in the whole United States to continue, why do you remind us of what Trump promised to do when he was sworn in as President? Correcting Biden illegality is doing what he was sworn in to do, even if it wasn't called such directly in the swearing in.

When you talk about those in the Dem Party, who do you mean? Average Dem people in the street, living in one of their locations anywhere in America, is not what Trump is after. Rather, he is trying to clean up the Deep State which is mostly Dem leaders and a bunch of non-leaders who are acting the Dem leader part.

Bringing America back to American, Constitutional values is not toxic. It is wholesome. You are badly mistaken, except if you are a Deep State proponent and propagandist.

[Hispo]

This is actually quite important. Unless Trump proclaims himself "emperor", he has himself issued more than 1000 pardons (I think).

Trump and the acolites should have no doubt that if he decides to cancel the pardons (I think it will be stopped in court anyway) this is a precedent that cuts both ways. He is also being quite revengeful on people who have - acording to his deranged narcissism - gone against him.

I am sure Trump expects to die before he can see how the Democrats cancel those pardons and, since he has gone full revenge, the Democrats will be perfectly entlited to go full revenge against his supporters, reopen cases, etc...

So... sure, keep on the revenge... it is a boomerang.

We are seeing the current president of the United States to use revenge as a way to govern and treat their political adversaries, I wonder what could possibly go wrong, right?
It is quite ironic to see Trump unleashed and being so explicit in this way, when months ago when he was swore in as the president of the country, he declared he wanted to unify the country and the people in it, for the sake of a better future and make America great. Now, it seems his priorities has switched towards doing as much damage as possible against those who are within the democrat party or affiliated to that party. This is not about finding common grounds to make a country prosperous anymore, this is about personal revenge and the use of executive power to achieve such revenge.
All of this it is very toxic to the American democracy and those who believe in it.

But what does correcting Biden literal illegal mistakes have anything to do with Trump revenge?

Even if it is revenge in a funny way of how Trump might feel, Trump is correcting Biden and Deep State illegality and evil.

If you want illegal and evil in the whole United States to continue, why do you remind us of what Trump promised to do when he was sworn in as President? Correcting Biden illegality is doing what he was sworn in to do, even if it wasn't called such directly in the swearing in.

When you talk about those in the Dem Party, who do you mean? Average Dem people in the street, living in one of their locations anywhere in America, is not what Trump is after. Rather, he is trying to clean up the Deep State which is mostly Dem leaders and a bunch of non-leaders who are acting the Dem leader part.

Bringing America back to American, Constitutional values is not toxic. It is wholesome. You are badly mistaken, except if you are a Deep State proponent and propagandist.

Though, are you even sure what deep state means? To me it is just another way to call the establishment, in this case the establishment which is against the party in power (Republican party). And in the case you did not know, Trump and many people who surround him are part of the Republican establishment and hence possible members of what you call "deep state". Trump won't destroy the political establishment in washington, because he received money from establishment donor for him to be able to become the president of the United States. Even those big tech CEOs whom Trump badmouthed some years ago now are taking part of his political agenda, so is Mark Zuckerberg a member of the deep state or not?
In the eyes of Trump, probably he was, but now he is not.

[paxmao]

This is actually quite important. Unless Trump proclaims himself "emperor", he has himself issued more than 1000 pardons (I think).

Trump and the acolites should have no doubt that if he decides to cancel the pardons (I think it will be stopped in court anyway) this is a precedent that cuts both ways. He is also being quite revengeful on people who have - acording to his deranged narcissism - gone against him.

I am sure Trump expects to die before he can see how the Democrats cancel those pardons and, since he has gone full revenge, the Democrats will be perfectly entlited to go full revenge against his supporters, reopen cases, etc...

So... sure, keep on the revenge... it is a boomerang.

We are seeing the current president of the United States to use revenge as a way to govern and treat their political adversaries, I wonder what could possibly go wrong, right?
It is quite ironic to see Trump unleashed and being so explicit in this way, when months ago when he was swore in as the president of the country, he declared he wanted to unify the country and the people in it, for the sake of a better future and make America great. Now, it seems his priorities has switched towards doing as much damage as possible against those who are within the democrat party or affiliated to that party. This is not about finding common grounds to make a country prosperous anymore, this is about personal revenge and the use of executive power to achieve such revenge.
All of this it is very toxic to the American democracy and those who believe in it.

But what does correcting Biden literal illegal mistakes have anything to do with Trump revenge?
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Again that is narrative. The fact is that those pardons may be voided and in that case any later government may also "correct" Trumps mistakes, including for example using the Presidential power to stop the investigations on himself or firing the people who were involved on this.

It is irrelevent how "you put it" or what is the official narrative - Trump is doing it and he should know that this will eventually come back against anyone working for him - why not?

[BADecker]

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But what does correcting Biden literal illegal mistakes have anything to do with Trump revenge?
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Again that is narrative. The fact is that those pardons may be voided and in that case any later government may also "correct" Trumps mistakes, including for example using the Presidential power to stop the investigations on himself or firing the people who were involved on this.

It is irrelevent how "you put it" or what is the official narrative - Trump is doing it and he should know that this will eventually come back against anyone working for him - why not?

Speculate all day long. The point is that when it is all said and done, the people will love the MAGA that Trump is bringing about. After all, the squawkers who seem to be against Trump are basically few, and are basically people who never had power, or lost it along the way.

This is most of the Deep State, who built up their strength by literal lying to the people about the benefits that the people needed, and that they were able to supply those benefits. Then, the result was that the people were hurt... except, maybe, for the few that were squawkers.

The funny part is that you try to focus on the idea that Trump is making some mistakes. You barely acknowledge the tons of mistakes the Biden Regime made, even though they are right out in the open with the autopen usage, and the fraudulent money schemes that DOGE is finding.

Never in the past has a US President and his people had to literally declare most of the previous administration null and void using proof the way Trump is having to. DOGE needs to be expanded a hundred-fold just to find all the 'things' that the Biden administration set in place, because most of them were illegally done, and more if the 2020 election was fraudulent... which Trump and DOGE might prove any day.

[o48o]

What i am reading from this is that  every accusation is a confession and Trump has some Autopen signatures done without his knowledge. And this is where he got the idea from. If this indeed was his idea.

And may i add that many of those that Trump pardoned have been rearrested, because what you would except from criminals.

I am honestly baffled if Republicans aren't scared of next elections where these dictator moves can be used back against them. El Salvador would probably accept people with maga-hat as well, since USA can deport anyone without due process now.

[BADecker]

What i am reading from this is that  every accusation is a confession and Trump has some Autopen signatures done without his knowledge. And this is where he got the idea from. If this indeed was his idea.

And may i add that many of those that Trump pardoned have been rearrested, because what you would except from criminals.

I am honestly baffled if Republicans aren't scared of next elections where these dictator moves can be used back against them. El Salvador would probably accept people with maga-hat as well, since USA can deport anyone without due process now.

However, you are wrong about deporting anyone without due process. Due Process has to be demanded if somebody wants to use it. The gang who is being deported isn't in the mode of using due process. If they were, they would have been in the mode for doing good rather than being a criminal gang. Why? Because Due Process starts right at the simple living level. It doesn't begin just when you finally go to trial.

As for rearrests, the Deep State doesn't simply give up because Trump pardoned those guys. Some of them are being arrested for nothing, simply as a Deep State tactic. However, if they act in a criminal way, certainly arrest them, right along with all the vandals vandalizing Tesla vehicles.

I wouldn't want to be signing Trump's signature by autopen. Trump and his people are sharp enough that they will find out who is doing this. That joker will be dead, except if Trump authorized him to do it.

[GearBrillsGB]

Trump will put things in order, but there is a question, is it true that Trump wants to leave Europe?

[o48o]

What i am reading from this is that  every accusation is a confession and Trump has some Autopen signatures done without his knowledge. And this is where he got the idea from. If this indeed was his idea.
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As for rearrests, the Deep State doesn't simply give up because Trump pardoned those guys. Some of them are being arrested for nothing, simply as a Deep State tactic. However, if they act in a criminal way, certainly arrest them, right along with all the vandals vandalizing Tesla vehicles.

I wouldn't want to be signing Trump's signature by autopen. Trump and his people are sharp enough that they will find out who is doing this. That joker will be dead, except if Trump authorized him to do it.

It's really pointless to argue with you when you refuse to use logic or any self-reflection to do it, so i'll just cut your nonsense.
However, i guessed correctly, and trump is projecting about the autopen:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-aliens-enemies-act-sign-questions-b2719935.html

Either that or he is covering for dementia. Denying, and blaming others has done the trick in the past, so he keeps doing it even if it doesn't work..

[BADecker]

It seems that a President can use the autopen, and that many presidents have. The point is that there has to be appropriate authorization by the President. This authorization can come in just about any form, as long as it is real. In many cases constitutionally, like the pardon of people in prison, it can be verbally done by the President, without a signature.

If Trump doesn't use his authority to void autopen signing properly, the Constitution overrides his supposed authority. He has to follow constitutionally authorized procedures to nullify autopen usage by a former president.


The Autopen, The Presidency And The Constitution: What To Know


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/autopen-presidency-and-constitution-what-know
An autopen is a machine that reproduces handwriting. In the case of elected officials, who are expected to sign thousands of official documents on a regular basis, autopens are often used to reproduce their signatures in lieu of them signing each paper by their own hand.

The use of autopens has raised constitutional questions for some after Trump's accusations of autopen use by Biden. They say that autopen use casts doubt on whether Biden knew the documents were being signed at all, thus implicating their validity.

"I worked in [the White House] for several presidents," wrote K.T. MacFarland, a former deputy national security adviser during Trump's first administration, on social platform X. "If Biden himself granted these pardons, there will be paper trail. If not, the guy running autopen machine usurped presidential authority."

In a Jan. 20 statement that announced the pardons that were later challenged by his successor, Biden stated: "I am exercising my authority under the Constitution to pardon General Mark A. Milley, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, the Members of Congress and staff who served on the Select Committee, and the U.S. Capitol and D.C. Metropolitan police officers who testified before the Select Committee."

The Epoch Times is unable to independently verify whether the pardons were signed by autopen or not.

The Biden Presidential Library at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) denied The Epoch Times' Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for Biden administration records about autopen use, citing a statute that prevents their release for five years after a president leaves office.

The former president, who has not yet established a post-presidential office, is not reachable.

Courts have opined that presidential pardons need not be written, and may be granted orally.

On whether writing is required as part of the president's exercise of the clemency power, "The answer is undoubtedly no," ruled the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in 2024. "The plain language of the Constitution imposes no such limit."
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