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March 22, 2025, 09:55:02 PM
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That's a very provocative topic IMO, you're very naive if you think cryptos won't be used to circumvent restrictions, censorship and repression anymore. Because it is just the purpose and the heart of their existence. Moreover weapons and drugs will continue to be sold with or without cryptos, because they were here before cryptos and they are still massively buy with fiat money. Cryptos just let people not navigating in a criminal environment to access them without physical risks.

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It is up to us to improve Bitcoin and get rid from fraudulent and illegal activities involving Bitcoin. We should not support fraudulent and illegal activities, we should not protect criminals or scammers. Bitcoin is very useful but if some criminals will use Bitcoin to purchase a weapon, where possibly people are murdered from, Bitcoin will take damage and we should not support it.
In other words, you're trying to say, avoid to use No KYC P2P and DEX, stay away from kycnot.me

Even you have no intention to buy or sell Bitcoin from criminals, there's a chance you can get high illicit coins or you fund the criminals, cheap or not the coins doesn't matter, they can sell at fair rate.

In this case, you have to use centralized exchanges and if somebody want to send coins to you, you have to ask them to send the coins from CEX instead of personal wallet.

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March 22, 2025, 11:13:52 PM
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I think you re right by saying we should use Bitcoin in a legal way to promote Bitcoin in a positive way instead of promoting it in an illegal way. But then using Bitcoin for some private transaction does not make it an illegal activities. Not every private transaction is illegal. Just that it depends on how you see it. Have you also forgot that apart from using Bitcoin that criminals can still use fiat for their activities. Don't forget that. But in summary it is ideal we know the transaction we do to promote Bitcoin, but that will not stop criminal from transacting with Bitcoin, because they will use a p2p direct decentralized wallet if they chose to transact and nothing will happen.

 
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March 22, 2025, 11:48:37 PM
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Why limit yourself to bitcoin? Don't involve yourself into illegal practice. Fck bitcoin if you go to jail for couple of years (or in case of turkey, a thousand years or so).
If that happens, few BTC will be meaningless

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March 23, 2025, 03:05:39 AM
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In previous years, Bitcoin was known to be involved in many fraudulent activities such as Silk Road, which has been an illegal Darknet market for drugs and weapons. Bitcoin was a big strategy by criminals but luckily, Bitcoin has become more mainstream and criminals were caught. Today, Bitcoin is known for being a reliable digital transactions asset but still some Bitcoin is involved in criminal activities.
Reliable Blockchain companies such as Chainalysis have helped to discover more crimes and make Bitcoin more reliable.
Fiat has been used over the years for different purposes, whether good or bad, yet no one, not even the government, has thought of dumping it for another currency or even stopping its promotion, even with the level of devaluation it is going through. Whether we use Bitcoin for good reasons only or not, haters of Bitcoin will still paint it as bad. You can just tell us not to do business with hackers and scammers, but we would only be deceiving ourselves if we think that criminals are not going to make use of Bitcoin for criminal purposes.

Whether we like it or not, everyone, including criminals, will use Bitcoin the same way they've been using fiat for a long time now. Bitcoin is a currency that is not restricted to anyone; we should get used to that fact. There are some things we cannot change, humans will always be humans. So, bothering about how bitcoin is being used should be the least of our problems now.


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It will be best to say some criminal elements used Bitcoin as a transactional means in their illicit activities rather than saying Bitcoin was involved in those activities,  even around fraudulent activities,  it's the fraudulent individuals who do use Bitcoin and not Bitcoin itself been invited as Bitcoin isn't a person or has got no personality or individuality, just like Fiat it's a means for exchange and payment for goods and services and in some cases a store of value.

Individuals who are involved in illicit practice and fraudulent activities do love the idea of staying anonymous and so it becomes one which they will love to buy into when they discover that with Bitcoin they can maintain that anonymous state even while they make their transactions, they resulted to using it as their meas for exchange mostly on the dark Web, but then we are glad for the innovations available now which helps to uncover and trace the identities behind certain Bitcoin transactions when the need arises as its helped to curb certain criminal activities in which Bitcoin has been used to make payments. Let's not forget there have been several cases and scenarios where Fiat in cash has been used in criminal activities too.

 
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I also agree that we should not involve Bitcoin in illegal practices. However, it should be realized that Bitcoin cannot be blamed for its misuse, this is the same as if a person or group of people use gold in illegal practices, then the gold cannot be blamed. Besides, I think that is what we need as people who already know Bitcoin, so we should provide education especially for new members in this forum who may still think negatively about Bitcoin, and I also often get questions from people in my environment about similar things, and the simple way I make the same analogy to the use of gold or knives.

 
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March 23, 2025, 12:38:38 PM
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We have often seen things that were created to be used for a particular thing actually being used for something else.
So we can't really do anything if people use things differently. Bitcoin was meant to be used as a decentralized P2P payment method eliminating the middle man.
While that sounded great, the ground reality is that it enables people to use it for wrong things too.
It us who have to decide what we use bitcoin for.

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It is up to us to improve Bitcoin and get rid from fraudulent and illegal activities involving Bitcoin. We should not support fraudulent and illegal activities, we should not protect criminals or scammers. Bitcoin is very useful but if some criminals will use Bitcoin to purchase a weapon, where possibly people are murdered from, Bitcoin will take damage and we should not support it.
Bitcoin is more popular as an investment asset that provides great benefits in the long term. I would not think too far to use Bitcoin to buy illegal goods. Even if people in illegal trading syndicates use Bitcoin as a means of payment, it means they are really using Bitcoin as it should be. I do not justify the transaction of illegal goods, but more on the use of Bitcoin. In fact, there are cases that have been revealed, so they can be tracked.
We can control how we use Bitcoin to transact, but we will not be able to control other people with the Bitcoin they have.

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Bitcoin has improved impressively since Silk Road was busted and Bitcoin growing will help Bitcoin to get independent from criminals and scammers.
Bitcoin is permissionless, so if you are waiting on a time that a particular group of people wouldn't be able to use bitcoin, then sorry because that would not happen, there is zero censorship in the bitcoin network.

Criminals are criminals and bitcoin is bitcoin, two different things, whatever the criminals use to perpetrate their scam is not the problem, they can use fiat, bitcoin, Monero and other things, it doesn't matter, the problem is the criminals themselves, and it is not my duty to "police" them, it is up to the authorities and related agencies.

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March 23, 2025, 04:32:22 PM
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Don’t involve Bitcoin in illegal practices true and never ever involve in any illegal activities with or without the bitcoin.

The Bitcoin itself already tight with bad name for some people like buying drugs, money laundry, and Ponzi scheme,e and we as bitcoin users or cryptocurrency users as a whole should act by simply not use Crypro as illegal activities or something like that. Now bitcoin gained the name and we should protect it by spreading a good things about crypto

 
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You've made a good point, Bitcoin is involved in many fraudulent practices and we are good to keep Bitcoin as clean as possible, keep it away from scammers and frausters and be active by only a good margin.

One thing to know is;

No one wants to actively be involved in a scam except for scammers themselves. If you know it’s a scam, you clearly would stay away from such transactions.

Bitcoin is just being leveraged and is the victim here because, it’s decentralized nature and the fact that, it transcends space without being designed to function in an area is some of the reason why it’s victimized.

However, fiat isn’t free of criminal activities as well but somehow, it’s hardly mentioned and not traced. You wonder why!

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March 23, 2025, 08:48:30 PM
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We can try our best in spreading good awareness about Bitcoin and how it can help in positive ways. If we stop using Bitcoin for illegal activities, then many people will also stop doing same. However, there is a limit to what we can do in this regards because scammers and bad actors will always find what is convenient for them to use. That they use Bitcoin sometimes does not make Bitcoin bad because they still use fiat payment systems and no one have condemn them on the basis that bad actors use them. We should be courageous to defend Bitcoin when people want to condemn it because bad players use it for illegal practices because it is not only Bitcoin that is used for such.

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March 23, 2025, 10:11:08 PM
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Bitcoin should not be used for laundering money. If someone asks you to do something with your Bitcoin account and you don't understand simply decline.

If someone tells you that you can turn your two dollar Bitcoin into 10 dollars Bitcoin in less than 25 hours, believe that it is something illegal and declined.


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March 23, 2025, 10:17:52 PM
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Well, the first thing we should need to understand is that Bitcoin by itself is not a scam.  Bitcoin is used to scam people, like Bitcoin believers who have used Bitcoin to scam people. So it is not Bitcoin's fault while the one who uses it is. Bitcoin itself was introduced for welfare by Satoshi, not for scams or criminal activities.  Later people misused it and made it infamous. So it means to say that Bitcoin is not a scam the one who uses it wrong is a criminal just like Knife itself is not a wrong thing the one who uses it wrong is a criminal. The one who misuses Bitcoin is called to criminal and scammer not a Bitcoin....

Besides that, I would recommend that newbies first emphasize understanding the privacy stance because only by understanding it can you avoid scams.

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Bitcoin is money so it is expected that people will use it in a way that it will be of advantage to them, either in good ways or bad ways. Just like we have traditional currency it is been used by bad and good people,  and people use it for whatever they want, same thing goes for bitcoin.

But as for the good people of bitcoin it will always be use wisely in a way that it will be of good benefit to one's self. Bitcoin has great potentials and for those that are abusing it, it won't cause Bitcoin to be less.

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March 23, 2025, 11:25:38 PM
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We should be good ambassadors of bitcoin. We should use bitcoin in the legal way just as I want to believe that the most of us use our fiat. Bitcoin has been implicated in several illegal activities so has fiat. In the past that narrative was what many governments used to ban bitcoin and call it illegal but the narrative has changed. That is why is there trying to bring regulation on bitcoin in many places to that it can be monitored that the chances of using it for illegal activities will reduce. As ambassadors of bitcoin we must continue to show how useful bitcoin is in our everyday lives and its use case applications in order to change the perceptions of people who already have the mindset of bitcoin being created to be used for illegal activities because of some isolated cases.
Educating the people is the only way so that we can clear the name of bitcoin from its negative accusations which I think a lot of people until now are stuck in that belief that bitcoin is illegal and should be avoided by the people as much as possible. And once they’re aware and educated, they will be aware of its usefulness as well and use it for their own positive advantage, not on a selfish and illegal way.
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In previous years, Bitcoin was known to be involved in many fraudulent activities such as Silk Road, which has been an illegal Darknet market for drugs and weapons. Bitcoin was a big strategy by criminals but luckily, Bitcoin has become more mainstream and criminals were caught. Today, Bitcoin is known for being a reliable digital transactions asset but still some Bitcoin is involved in criminal activities.
Reliable Blockchain companies such as Chainalysis have helped to discover more crimes and make Bitcoin more reliable.

Correction: Bitcoin has always been a reliable source for digital transactions, and just because some people used it for bad purposes, it doesn't mean Bitcoin itself is bad or was bad. Criminals use all fiat currencies for illegal purposes, but we never think that fiat currencies are bad or they aren't safe. So, just like anything, Bitcoin can be used for both good and bad purposes, but that isn't going to make Bitcoin good or bad. The mainstream media or people who are against Bitcoin will always do their best to make it look bad, even some governments say that it's a currency that is used for criminal activities, but they need to be told that even their fiat currencies are used for that, but they don't ban them.

Other than that, I agree that people should be careful when buying or selling stuff using Bitcoin because if someone is using Bitcoin that were involved in a bad activity, they might get in trouble because of that. Other than that, Bitcoin is still and always will be a very safe asset for making and receiving transactions globally.
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March 26, 2025, 07:20:32 PM
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Yes, it is possible to engage in illegal activities through Bitcoin, but if you consider the case of fiat currency, you will see that it is constantly involved in illegal activities. If we use crypto currency for P2P transactions such as smuggling, arms trading, drug trafficking, etc., then there is definitely nothing we can do if we get involved in illegal activities. Because transactions involving illegal activities cannot be easily detected. It depends on a user how he uses his crypto currency. If he is a good person then he will use it in a good way and if he is a bad person then it is natural that he will use it in a bad way. Bad people will use Bitcoin in bad ways, and they will engage in bad deeds even if they have fiat currency.

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It is up to us to improve Bitcoin and get rid from fraudulent and illegal activities involving Bitcoin. We should not support fraudulent and illegal activities, we should not protect criminals or scammers. Bitcoin is very useful but if some criminals will use Bitcoin to purchase a weapon, where possibly people are murdered from, Bitcoin will take damage and we should not support it.
Bitcoin has improved impressively since Silk Road was busted and Bitcoin growing will help Bitcoin to get independent from criminals and scammers.

Beginners should pay attention to avoid falling for criminals and scammers. Criminals and scammers are very deceitful.

because bitcoin is the best alternative right now for transactions other than fiat money and gold, so it's no wonder why criminals use bitcoin for their illegal transactions (we can say it's beyond our ability to control them)

but I am very grateful to blockchain companies and also the authorities for catching those who misuse bitcoin for their illegal transactions, hopefully all criminals who make bitcoin's image bad will be caught soon so that public trust in bitcoin will be stronger.

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