Philippines could be the next venezuela?

[STT]

Venezuela is cursed with riches and it might be that set the situation for what happened to them.  Fortune set by that commodity wealth back and forth perhaps ruined the backbone of the country, oil pricing can fall below the cost of its extraction which means its a disaster to rely on for income absolutely.
    Now their military hold the country to ransom, I dont think Philippines is as blessed or cursed so might be more resilient in recovery also.

[pooya87]

They can't blame anyone but their own government.

Well, we have to analyze them on a case by case basis. I can't say something that fits every country.

Do you actually believe that it won't be the same under your "New World Order"?

That's the nature of World Order changing, filled with chaos and instability. After the establishment of the Order, the chaos will subside.

South Korea, Japan, and Germany are great examples because they succeeded in achieving a sustainable economic renaissance from the ruins of countries devastated by war and whose economies had almost completely collapsed.

These 3 examples have had improvements for sure but I wouldn't use any of them as "successful examples".

Japan and Germany are two defeated and occupied countries that are paying US regime to occupy their countries and to a great extent dictate everything they do and are allowed to do. For example the US regime dictated Japan to increase the exchange rate of their fiat to destroy their own economy and help the US economy survive in the Plaza Accord and they obeyed blindly and faced the consequences economically. They assassinated their former PM Abe who was talking about independence and stuff like that and the Japanese didn't even complain. Also today Japan is the biggest bag-holder of US debt!
In Germany the US regime has literally caused the deindustrialization and shut down their juicy Nord Stream lifeline and they couldn't do anything about it. Today Germany has the highest number of homeless in entire Europe as the industries keep shutting down or "become Chinese" .
Neither of them are allowed to have a decent military to defend themselves either. They all have to pay US regime to establish bases there which they use to carry out operations against others and if any conflict breaks out it will be these countries who will pay.

Last but not least South Korea where apart from one or two presidents, the rest of them have either been arrested for severe corruption and other crimes, killed, removed with a coup, or ran away one way or another.

Presidents of South Korea

1. Syngman Rhee (1948–1960) – Overthrown. 
2. Yun Bo-seon (1960–1962) – Overthrown. 
3. Park Chung-hee (1962–1979) – Assassinated. 
4. Choi Kyu-hah (1979–1980) – Removed by a military coup. 
5. Chun Doo-hwan (1981–1988) – Sentenced to death after his presidency. 
6. Roh Tae-woo (1988–1993) – Sentenced to 22 years in prison after his presidency. 
7. Kim Young-sam (1993–1998) – Imprisoned during the term of President No. 3. As president, secured convictions against two of his predecessors. 
8. Kim Dae-jung (1998–2003) – Imprisoned under President No. 3 and sentenced to death under President No. 5 (later pardoned). Nobel Peace Prize laureate. 
9. Roh Moo-hyun (2003–2008) – Impeached (later overturned by the Constitutional Court). Investigated for corruption after his term and committed suicide. 
10. Lee Myung-bak (2008–2013) – Arrested for corruption after his presidency; sentenced to 15 years in prison. 
11. Park Geun-hye (2013–2016) – Impeached and arrested for corruption; sentenced to 24 years in prison. 
12. Moon Jae-in – Recent president; no imprisonment. 
13. Yoon Suk Yeol – Last and current president of South Korea. Impeached and an arrest warrant was issued for him while he was in office as the president. Will face either life imprisonment or the death penalty if found guilty.

P.S. What's going on in Luzon islands in Philippines?

[fruktik]

Come to think that they are even having that big salaries to those who are really that having the highest position on the government on which basically these are the money from people or came from taxes or national budget. Actually there's no issue with this as long they are really that doing their job but if we are seeing the opposite thing then it is really just that being too sad on whats happening if ever they wouldnt be doing something that for the good of the country and into its citizens.

There are indeed countries on which their officials are corrupt and there's nothing we can do if this would really be the way of its governance. Philippines could be the next Venezuela? I dont think so on which we do still see that PH is still doing fine when it comes to economic condition and other aspects on which we can say that they are really just that doing fine. There are really some political issues on which are currently being faced down.

Why do you think you can't do anything about corrupt officials and politicians? This is a mistaken opinion. Of course, if you sit on your butt and do nothing, the result will be corresponding. Even in my country with a totalitarian regime, where it is dangerous to say anything about the government and there are examples of how civil servants who steal budget money are exposed.

Therefore, as they say, not everything is so clear-cut. People need to unite against such a misfortune and disaster. It is much safer than doing everything alone. Do you know what paralyzes people? Naturally, it is fear. A strong feeling that makes us not notice obvious things. Hide in our cocoon and pass by the problem.

[Lanatsa]

They always blame the former president for the mistakes, and what they're doing doesn't serve the economy; it's actually worsening the situation. The economy continues to deteriorate, the local currency loses value, and there is no real plan to extricate the country from its deep predicament.

This is what happens in our country but during the time of former president Duterte, he has not blamed the former president for what's lacking on his term and administration. And with our current administration, it's always the presscons of his secretaries telling the blame to former president Duterte of what we're facing right now. They're too focused and spending a lot of money, time and resources to this backlashing and politics instead of serving the people. People hate the current government right now and they'll sure have their pay time when their term ends and that's what the current president is trying to do. To extend his power so that there will be no Duterte to come as they're scared for their fate.

That's the very definition of dirty politics, when you voted a son of a former dictator, then this is what the country will get. Everything is a messed now, and if I'm not mistaken, his cousin is the head of the congress and he too has been accused of corruption and plundering billions of pesos from government agencies to give it to his political affiliations to remain loyal to him.

So it's very sad to see how the Philippines will become the next Venezuela. But hopefully it's not, they just need to elect a good President like what Duterte did in his terms although now he is being prosecuted by ICCI and the Philippine government willing to give their sovereignty to ICCI and put in the stand their former President.

Basing up on what i have read is that why people do make a vote on the son of that former dictator president was just because its been that introduced or being that recommend by Duterte on which if people do love the governance on what Duterte had done then it will really be that automatically understandable that peoples vote would be considered on this one plus having that platforms on promising out that good to be that decrease in price then you cant be able to blame on not for the people to vote on him. Now, we've seen that on the steps and things that he had made into the country Philippines on which it is really that a total chaos and some obvious corruption is really that currently happening.  Pretty sure that on the next voting or election then its impossible for Marcos to win up the Presidency no matter what propaganda and other promises that he made.

In regarding about economic status, on which tons of people or the citizens telling that the situation gotten even more worst. There were no developments and mostly the focus is on aides and other correlated aspects on which it causes up to spend up billions of budget for that. I dont have that idea about becoming the next venezuela but if these things will really be that continuing then it might be heading there.
Somehow i do agree into those points above that it is still pretty standing well in compared to Venezuela itself. This is why it will be that unlikely that it will really be going into this situation.
For its citizens then they are already aware on who would really be the ones they would really be voting into the next election.

[jaberwock]

It's however important to note that paying people to do nothing will diminish the most important purpose of humans existence on Earth, which is to be fruitful or productive with their own hands/bodies. .And humans will likely lose their natural ability to work if they stop using the ability for a long time.

It’s not exactly that they’re not doing anything, because these social programs are actually providing financial aid to those earning below minimum wage , and especially to those who don’t have a job. However, the downside is that it makes people lazy.

For example, in rural areas, instead of planting crops or working, some people stop making an effort because they rely on the government, knowing they’ll receive financial assistance every month or every couple of months. In their minds, they don’t need to work hard anymore since help will keep coming anyway.

Depends on the nation and how it moves. You do realize that robotics, AI and industrialization reached to a point where we are needing less and less people right? I mean if everyone keeps losing their jobs to hardware and software, there will be one day where business owners will just use these and not use humans.

In this case, how are we suppose to find a job? We are going to end up with bunch of issues and we can't really make any income since we won't have salaries. In this type of world, UBI isn't bad, universal basic income, research it, a futuristic world has all the people who want to work, end up working, and all the ones who do not work, gets their simple needs covered, it's just a must for the future if we go this fast with innovations.

[yhiaali3]

That's the very definition of dirty politics, when you voted a son of a former dictator, then this is what the country will get. Everything is a messed now, and if I'm not mistaken, his cousin is the head of the congress and he too has been accused of corruption and plundering billions of pesos from government agencies to give it to his political affiliations to remain loyal to him.

So it's very sad to see how the Philippines will become the next Venezuela. But hopefully it's not, they just need to elect a good President like what Duterte did in his terms although now he is being prosecuted by ICCI and the Philippine government willing to give their sovereignty to ICCI and put in the stand their former President.

I don't know many details about the situation in the Philippines, but it's clear that there is widespread administrative and political corruption. I'm not surprised by what's happening there, as we have many similar situations here in my country.

When administrative corruption spreads and the president begins appointing his relatives to important and sensitive positions in the government, this is certainly the natural end of the country's destiny. This will drag the country into further corruption and collapse, and reforms or temporary solutions will be of no use.

[blockman]

They always blame the former president for the mistakes, and what they're doing doesn't serve the economy; it's actually worsening the situation. The economy continues to deteriorate, the local currency loses value, and there is no real plan to extricate the country from its deep predicament.

This is what happens in our country but during the time of former president Duterte, he has not blamed the former president for what's lacking on his term and administration. And with our current administration, it's always the presscons of his secretaries telling the blame to former president Duterte of what we're facing right now. They're too focused and spending a lot of money, time and resources to this backlashing and politics instead of serving the people. People hate the current government right now and they'll sure have their pay time when their term ends and that's what the current president is trying to do. To extend his power so that there will be no Duterte to come as they're scared for their fate.

That's the very definition of dirty politics, when you voted a son of a former dictator, then this is what the country will get. Everything is a messed now, and if I'm not mistaken, his cousin is the head of the congress and he too has been accused of corruption and plundering billions of pesos from government agencies to give it to his political affiliations to remain loyal to him.

They're a tandem of what they've been doing to our country right now. The budget for this year, there were so much slashed for the infrastructure projects because all they want to put is to give people money, an aid that's useless and will be gone just after a day. They think that it's enough to make people like them by giving that as it becomes a legal vote buying for them. But they are starting to see that the people hates them.

So it's very sad to see how the Philippines will become the next Venezuela. But hopefully it's not, they just need to elect a good President like what Duterte did in his terms although now he is being prosecuted by ICCI and the Philippine government willing to give their sovereignty to ICCI and put in the stand their former President.

I don't want to see it happen, no offense to our brothers and sisters from Venezuela. But if our government remains the same for the next remaining years of our president's term, it's gonna be sad for most of us because of high inflation rate that will happen to us. No foreign investors will be willing to invest because of high cost of everything here.

[aioc]

I don't want to see it happen, no offense to our brothers and sisters from Venezuela. But if our government remains the same for the next remaining years of our president's term, it's gonna be sad for most of us because of high inflation rate that will happen to us. No foreign investors will be willing to invest because of high cost of everything here.

Marcos has a lot of loopholes in his regime; he does not have legacies compared to his predecessor, Duterte; his administration is so busy attacking Duterte he forgot he needs to address pressing problems of the people; he only won the election because of the help of the Dutertes.
He only has three years left, and he is so busy destroying the Dutertes so he can pick people in the next election, and there's a big probability that his cousin is gearing to be the next administration candidate to continue the Marcos reign of bad governance. I don't think this puppet, his cousin, will win.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

I don't want to see it happen, no offense to our brothers and sisters from Venezuela. But if our government remains the same for the next remaining years of our president's term, it's gonna be sad for most of us because of high inflation rate that will happen to us. No foreign investors will be willing to invest because of high cost of everything here.

Marcos has a lot of loopholes in his regime; he does not have legacies compared to his predecessor, Duterte; his administration is so busy attacking Duterte he forgot he needs to address pressing problems of the people; he only won the election because of the help of the Dutertes.
He only has three years left, and he is so busy destroying the Dutertes so he can pick people in the next election, and there's a big probability that his cousin is gearing to be the next administration candidate to continue the Marcos reign of bad governance. I don't think this puppet, his cousin, will win.

Isn't it he is also being accused of being a drug addict himself? Why they try to bring down ex-President Duterte, I think the Filipino people knows what his administration is doing. But they should also be concern of what they are going because come next election, I do not think that they are going to win it unless there will be a massive failure of election again just like in the time of his father.

Rodrigo's daughter and the current VP of the Philippines, Sarah might run for the Presidency and for sure there are still a lot of supporters for her and his political party. That's what I'm afraid though, as it could really bring chaos in the Philippines if the current administration with their political machinery, will used everything in their power to keep them in the government.

There could be another People's Power in the Philippines if the population will go against the Marcoses and their cronies.

[peter0425]

Marcos has a lot of loopholes in his regime; he does not have legacies compared to his predecessor, Duterte; his administration is so busy attacking Duterte he forgot he needs to address pressing problems of the people; he only won the election because of the help of the Dutertes.
He only has three years left, and he is so busy destroying the Dutertes so he can pick people in the next election, and there's a big probability that his cousin is gearing to be the next administration candidate to continue the Marcos reign of bad governance. I don't think this puppet, his cousin, will win.

Isn't it he is also being accused of being a drug addict himself? Why they try to bring down ex-President Duterte, I think the Filipino people knows what his administration is doing. But they should also be concern of what they are going because come next election, I do not think that they are going to win it unless there will be a massive failure of election again just like in the time of his father.

Once you are in power, there is so much you can do to stay in power. The most difficult part of his career was becoming president now he has access to everything to make sure he gets to keep his position.

I am concerned this thread is becoming more of a political discussion. I guess it can be inevitable as the government is more focused in fighting each other instead of trying to build the country's economy. I think that the filipino people are also falling for some propaganda. Political wars are distracting people from the fact that a lot of people are getting hungry and are unemployed. Many are not completing education. Many more children are being born. The country has a lot of problems but the government is focused on staying in power.

[Wind_FURY]

Another important thing which I forgot to mention in my previous comment is that such issues (economic or otherwise) is not specific to one country; and we can't just attribute everything to corruption like in Philippines.

But we could. Singapore was in the same trajectory decades ago before they eliminated corruption, then opened up their region for international banking. International Banks/Companies won't commit and bring large investments if a country's government is VERY corrupt.

There are many successful examples, even when the circumstances were much worse. South Korea, Japan, and Germany are great examples because they succeeded in achieving a sustainable economic renaissance from the ruins of countries devastated by war and whose economies had almost completely collapsed. While countries that have enjoyed independence and sovereignty for decades have failed to establish a framework that eliminates corruption and limits foreign interference.

I did a little more DYOR about why the former president of the Philippines was taken to the Netherlands to face trial. He had a "bloody war/campaign" against drugs? I believe that THAT is an absolute SCAM. The United States has officially started their war on drugs since 1971, and the Drug Cartels has become wealthier, and MORE POWERFUL now than they were during 1971.

That war/campaign against drugs might merely be a scheme to get more of the annual budget under their control. Those people might be corrupt, just like MOST of those politicians in one of the MOST corrupt countries in the world.

[blockman]

I don't want to see it happen, no offense to our brothers and sisters from Venezuela. But if our government remains the same for the next remaining years of our president's term, it's gonna be sad for most of us because of high inflation rate that will happen to us. No foreign investors will be willing to invest because of high cost of everything here.

Marcos has a lot of loopholes in his regime; he does not have legacies compared to his predecessor, Duterte; his administration is so busy attacking Duterte he forgot he needs to address pressing problems of the people; he only won the election because of the help of the Dutertes.
He only has three years left, and he is so busy destroying the Dutertes so he can pick people in the next election, and there's a big probability that his cousin is gearing to be the next administration candidate to continue the Marcos reign of bad governance. I don't think this puppet, his cousin, will win.

He's got a legacy and that's handing over to ICC, a filipino and former president. 
We all knew what happened on why he'd won the election and that's because of the Sara Duterte supporters. If it's not because of Sara and Rody, he won't win the election on 2022. But this time, they're seeing how the people love the former president. And as for Martin, well, if people hates BBM, there's more hate to that greed man. He's even got a case related to bribery to a resort and casino in the state of delaware.

[robelneo]

I did a little more DYOR about why the former president of the Philippines was taken to the Netherlands to face trial. He had a "bloody war/campaign" against drugs? I believe that THAT is an absolute SCAM. The United States has officially started their war on drugs since 1971, and the Drug Cartels has become wealthier, and MORE POWERFUL now than they were during 1971.

It's different in the Philippines; there's a positive result because people have found out that substances are being cooked inside the national penitentiary, and so many government officials are involved in this drug trade, and many drug addicts surrendered that goes over hundreds of thousands to the authorities. The government cannot keep up with the rehabilitation center; it's a bloody war, and there is collateral damage, but the citizens have seen how bad drug addiction is in the country.
And it was also the time that you could walk in the street safe because those addicts were behind bars or under rehabilitation.

[Wind_FURY]

I did a little more DYOR about why the former president of the Philippines was taken to the Netherlands to face trial. He had a "bloody war/campaign" against drugs? I believe that THAT is an absolute SCAM. The United States has officially started their war on drugs since 1971, and the Drug Cartels has become wealthier, and MORE POWERFUL now than they were during 1971.

It's different in the Philippines; there's a positive result because people have found out that substances are being cooked inside the national penitentiary, and so many government officials are involved in this drug trade, and many drug addicts surrendered that goes over hundreds of thousands to the authorities. The government cannot keep up with the rehabilitation center; it's a bloody war, and there is collateral damage, but the citizens have seen how bad drug addiction is in the country.

And it was also the time that you could walk in the street safe because those addicts were behind bars or under rehabilitation.

That's CORRUPTION, ser. But WHO are corrupting those people in your government, and WHO are the largest Drug Cartels that operate in your region? Are they from China, Japan, India, Pakistan? You should DYOR on that and connect the dots. It could be Politics + the Drug Trade. 👀

Plus I believe you're NOT trying to understand the actual point of the FACT that despite the United States' "war against drugs", the Drug Cartels still grew and became more powerful.

 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Jating]

They always blame the former president for the mistakes, and what they're doing doesn't serve the economy; it's actually worsening the situation. The economy continues to deteriorate, the local currency loses value, and there is no real plan to extricate the country from its deep predicament.

This is what happens in our country but during the time of former president Duterte, he has not blamed the former president for what's lacking on his term and administration. And with our current administration, it's always the presscons of his secretaries telling the blame to former president Duterte of what we're facing right now. They're too focused and spending a lot of money, time and resources to this backlashing and politics instead of serving the people. People hate the current government right now and they'll sure have their pay time when their term ends and that's what the current president is trying to do. To extend his power so that there will be no Duterte to come as they're scared for their fate.

That's the very definition of dirty politics, when you voted a son of a former dictator, then this is what the country will get. Everything is a messed now, and if I'm not mistaken, his cousin is the head of the congress and he too has been accused of corruption and plundering billions of pesos from government agencies to give it to his political affiliations to remain loyal to him.

They're a tandem of what they've been doing to our country right now. The budget for this year, there were so much slashed for the infrastructure projects because all they want to put is to give people money, an aid that's useless and will be gone just after a day. They think that it's enough to make people like them by giving that as it becomes a legal vote buying for them. But they are starting to see that the people hates them.

And the bad thing is that the people are going to suffer from all this malpractice by the Marcoses. All the government money is being channel to vote buying?

That is the worst and we all know that sooner or later, maybe the Filipinos are going to be fed up by all of this corruption and the privileges and the oligarchs getting their power back. Definitely, we don't want the Philippines to be the next Venezuela. But if no one can stop the government, maybe one day, when it's too late, the Philippines will spiral downward that it's hard to recover specially if they are still in the power.

[kryptqnick]

Populism is dangerous this way, as it's easy to get love and support by providing direct aid to people, even if there's no sustainability in that aid. I believe that direct aid, without any additional sustainability build-ups, should be the last resort, for temporary and critical situations, and it should be distributed to those to need it the most.
Corruption, of course, it also a huge issue. As a Ukrainian, I know it all too well. It's hard to distribute aid fairly when it can be misappropriated in very large amounts. It is even harder to bring systemic change when the current system is beneficial to those who are a part of it because the loopholes work well.
But it's important to make sure that the government does not forget who it serves. Unlike dictatorships, Ukrainians have already proven that they are ready to change their country, fight for freedom, and demand justice. I hope that in the Philippines, people can show their active position and civil society can overtake some functions where the state is failing miserably. I sure hope the Philippines will not be the next Venezuela.

[Sanitough]

And the bad thing is that the people are going to suffer from all this malpractice by the Marcoses. All the government money is being channel to vote buying?

That is the worst and we all know that sooner or later, maybe the Filipinos are going to be fed up by all of this corruption and the privileges and the oligarchs getting their power back. Definitely, we don't want the Philippines to be the next Venezuela. But if no one can stop the government, maybe one day, when it's too late, the Philippines will spiral downward that it's hard to recover specially if they are still in the power.

The national debt has ballooned even though there’s no longer a pandemic and very few government projects are underway. I can already see a troubling pattern here. Currently, there are cases filed against them in the Supreme Court - I just hope action is taken quickly because this is an urgent matter. The future of the country is already at stake.

This year, we have elections, but only for senators down to local politicians. The presidential election won’t happen until 2028. Still, it would be a big help if the winning senators aren’t allies of Marcos. Right now, you can clearly see that many Filipinos are against the current administration, as reflected in surveys by independent vloggers which are far more reliable than the biased (and paid-off) results pushed by mainstream media.

[Japinat]

This year, we have elections, but only for senators down to local politicians. The presidential election won’t happen until 2028. Still, it would be a big help if the winning senators aren’t allies of Marcos. Right now, you can clearly see that many Filipinos are against the current administration, as reflected in surveys by independent vloggers which are far more reliable than the biased (and paid-off) results pushed by mainstream media.

I’ve already decided not to vote for the administration’s candidates in the election, and I’m confident they won’t win. But my fear is that since they’re in power, they might manipulate the results. If that happens, hope would be slim, and the only way to remove this administration would be through a bloody struggle… and I’m not sure if we’re ready to face that kind of battle.

[blockman]

They're a tandem of what they've been doing to our country right now. The budget for this year, there were so much slashed for the infrastructure projects because all they want to put is to give people money, an aid that's useless and will be gone just after a day. They think that it's enough to make people like them by giving that as it becomes a legal vote buying for them. But they are starting to see that the people hates them.

And the bad thing is that the people are going to suffer from all this malpractice by the Marcoses. All the government money is being channel to vote buying?

They are not admitting it as an actual vote buying. They're making it as an aid of help to the poor. So, it makes it as a legal vote buying.

That is the worst and we all know that sooner or later, maybe the Filipinos are going to be fed up by all of this corruption and the privileges and the oligarchs getting their power back. Definitely, we don't want the Philippines to be the next Venezuela. But if no one can stop the government, maybe one day, when it's too late, the Philippines will spiral downward that it's hard to recover specially if they are still in the power.

We don't want that to happen. Golds have been sold a lot and if they have to sell it, they should have waited for its ATH just this recent. But no, they're quick in corrupting the budget of the government and then, there's a news report that they're about to ask for a loan again. Billions in pesos again. They are too busy in pocketing the government's money because they know that this is going to be their last term and they're set for life. Also the health insurance (Philhealth) the judge that have used it didn't even covered half of his hospital bill, now it is in question so they have to return everything but are they going to do that?

[Faisal2202]

As far as I know, the Philippines is not a poor country. However, from what you say, it seems that the Philippines' debt is increasing day by day. And this is not unusual. However, gradually reducing the debt burden is good for the country. However, if what you say is true that corruption is one of the reasons why the Philippines' debt is increasing day by day, then this is definitely a matter of concern. If it continues like this, inflation will happen very quickly. The value of the Philippine currency will continue to decrease.

So Duterte is arrested, I heard about his history a few days ago when someone from Philippines made a thread about him so I did some research and how his anti drug team fought drug lords and in the war there were casualties which should not be well if he is arrested then I think the case is closed now. Because there might be no way for him to be released again.

This is how establishments works, if there is any there, now I hope with the new government things will get more comfy.