What's happening with Tesla?

[Vadym IP]

Hi, guys! At the moment, a lot is going on with the brand and Tesla cars. Some even call it Tesla's economic collapse.

I remember, a month ago, it all started with simple stickers on Tesla cars: We bought Tesla before Elon went crazy. And what do we have now? Dealerships are attacked, vehicles are burned, Uber drivers get 1 star only because of driving a Tesla. The trend, as it seems, is going on.

But what is behind all that? From my perspective, I have information it's because of Elon himself. Crazy tweets, statements, etc... Let's also mention the downtrend in the EV market itself. And, of course, a huge competition from Chinese EV cars. For example, BYD is advertising themself in Italy. I've never seen that before. Chinese cars are cheaper and offer the same range of technology (or even more).

But can someone tell/share if there something I'm missing here? DOGE, Trump, something else? Thanks!

[Reatim]

But what is behind all that? From my perspective, I have information it's because of Elon himself. Crazy tweets, statements, etc...

yes but i think there’s also environmental concerns about tesla cars especially that one cybertruck

in general people are just against the super rich people who are actively destroying the environment i guess a part of why people are also hating on elon musk is because of his endorsement to trump and until now he’s still well associated to trump

[Vadym IP]

Thank you for your reply. By environmental concerns, do you mean, in fact, that electric cars are not that eco-friendly or the quality of a Cybertruck?

[boyptc]

Thank you for your reply. By environmental concerns, do you mean, in fact, that electric cars are not that eco-friendly

They say that EVs are eco friendly because they don't emit smoke, c02s. But in the process, they're required to have batteries right?

And the exploit that's being done somewhere to get those minerals for the batteries happens. Also, these batteries are disposable and that's why it still add some cause to the environment.

To be honest, I want to own a tesla any of them but money is all I need.  

[Vadym IP]

Yes, yes, sure. I know about this: But in the process, they're required to have batteries right?

I assume the old Teslas were better in terms of quality. But recently, there were some videos of the Cybertruck. Some parts are literally attached with glue.

[boyptc]

Yes, yes, sure. I know about this: But in the process, they're required to have batteries right?

I assume the old Teslas were better in terms of quality. But recently, there were some videos of the Cybertruck. Some parts are literally attached with glue.

I don't know about that.

There is a thread from our co-forum member ognasty about his purchase of tesla cybertruck. Maybe you can raise question there as the thread is very active until now.

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[Vadym IP]

Thank you for that!

[franky1]

there is no tesla economic collapse
its just (using bitcoin economic wordage) 'the correction after the ATH"

prices jan 2024-oct2024 were averaging ~$250.. it ATH at $469 in december, and corrected back to $265 this week
so in essence, the ATH was the drama(surprise event) not the correction.. as things are back to 2024 norms now
but media want to promote the correction as the drama(surprise event).. yet many bitcoiners are now more understanding of economics to know that something pumping so fact needs to correct.. and then months later slowly grow as value grows

as for cybertruck product quality.. um yea.. not what i was expecting so im not buying one
Ford for instance had decades of R&D to work it its flaws.. tesla didnt product test its cybertruck enough, it doesnt perform like a ford truck does
and yes the glued on steal is real.. not a good show of quality in my eyes

but just like ford did years ago, they will learn, things will move on.. probably cybertruck version 10 will be excellent, we just have to wait and see

[Reynaldo]

Tesla's down from its ATH but still way above where it was trading most of last year  just like BTC cycles. We see this pattern everywhere: massive pump, correction, stabilization, slow growth.

The irony is that the same people hating on Tesla now were FOMO buying at the top. Classic distribution phase behavior early adopters selling to the masses, then the masses panic selling when it corrects.

[DediRock]

Tesla is facing backlash due to Elon’s actions, market shifts, and strong competition, especially from China. The situation is evolving.

[Vadym IP]

there is no tesla economic collapse
its just (using bitcoin economic wordage) 'the correction after the ATH"

prices jan 2024-oct2024 were averaging ~$250.. it ATH at $469 in december, and corrected back to $265 this week
so in essence, the ATH was the drama(surprise event) not the correction.. as things are back to 2024 norms now
but media want to promote the correction as the drama(surprise event).. yet many bitcoiners are now more understanding of economics to know that something pumping so fact needs to correct.. and then months later slowly grow as value grows

as for cybertruck product quality.. um yea.. not what i was expecting so im not buying one
Ford for instance had decades of R&D to work it its flaws.. tesla didnt product test its cybertruck enough, it doesnt perform like a ford truck does
and yes the glued on steal is real.. not a good show of quality in my eyes

but just like ford did years ago, they will learn, things will move on.. probably cybertruck version 10 will be excellent, we just have to wait and see

Thank you for your comment. Appreacite your input. It's an interesting point of view; I haven't considered it.

Oh, so all that videos with glue are real, in fact... But still, does it have such a connection with the prices on Tesla cars? I mean, the same, let's say, 2021-2023 model S, X, 3 or Y. I'm not mentioning the newer models, as we can think about the worse quality. So, the prices have dropped almost 50%... I'm not familiar with the dealership situations, but the secondary market - yes.

[Vadym IP]

Tesla is facing backlash due to Elon’s actions, market shifts, and strong competition, especially from China. The situation is evolving.

Let's also mention the situation with X, as it was attacked as well. The only part that is OK is a spaceship program. Especially after the unsuccessful launch of the French spaceship. Still, I think it's a question of time and how fast European countries will improve their technologies.

[franky1]

Tesla is facing backlash due to Elon’s actions, market shifts, and strong competition, especially from China. The situation is evolving.

Let's also mention the situation with X, as it was attacked as well. The only part that is OK is a spaceship program. Especially after the unsuccessful launch of the French spaceship. Still, I think it's a question of time and how fast European countries will improve their technologies.

when NASA takes $20bill a year
when ESA (European space agency) takes $7+ billions a year

but when it costs spaceX only $200m-$900m to be a space taxi to and from the ISS
the other countries and even nasa have a long way to go to compete

But still, does it have such a connection with the prices on Tesla cars? I mean, the same, let's say, 2021-2023 model S, X, 3 or Y. I'm not mentioning the newer models, as we can think about the worse quality. So, the prices have dropped almost 50%... I'm not familiar with the dealership situations, but the secondary market - yes.

not sure what you are asking. but right now there is some secondary market stuff happening
first to note. due to all the arson/scratches and riots happening against tesla. many private insurers are dropping support to insure tesla. and so it makes some want to get rid of their tesla and trying to sell it to willing buyers out side of rioting states. which is causing a secondary market change in purchase price

also just the drama of elon haters, people are less willing to buy second hand tesla's even at discount and even if they can find a insurer with reasonable premiums

Oh, so all that videos with glue are real, in fact...

the glue of cybertruck is real, its because instead of using molded bodywork, thats then clamped to the chassis using bolts or rivets. the cybertruck uses steal panels and so elons designers didnt want to have rivets showing on the outside, so glued it on instead of screwed/riveted on

the cyber truck is not the only vehicle that uses glue.. the lotus elise does it too

other interesting facts
the original design of the cybertruck looks like the squared off shape due to an idea of taking one large single sheet of steel cut the shape and fold the metal to join the edges and then weld the edges together like origami from the inside to not show any bad aesthetic flaws on the outside

however in production and developments of cost efficiency and time and process they just cut small sheet parts and then panel them onto the chassis but this would have required more work on each panel and causing aesthetic issues such as rivets, bolts and welding spots at the increased number of edges. so that led to the use of glue

EG if using small panels. they would then need to weld or rivet on a L shape bar on the back to hook onto the chassis to then bolt/secure it further, which was too much work. cost and would have caused aesthetic issues on the outside (world facing) side of the panel too.. so glue was the cheap, fast solution..

however the glue was not some glue that works in all extreme conditions. most badly paid designers only thought about the road use based on southern USA driving conditions.. which leads onto the other flaws when certain EV cars designed for one regions use dont perform well elsewhere. such as some EV's battery usage and maintenance is not designed for arctic freezing conditions because the designers were only thinking about their warm climate lifestyle and tests drives

other things like small city cars only think about flat road usage although some cities in other countries are made on hill/mountainsides so fail to have the torque to drive uphill, or 'gear-down'/brake effectively when going downhill

ive driven a few city and super cars that are all EV, and personally wasnt impressed with the cyber truck, though new generations/iterations probably will have improvements. other brands also come with flaws, nothing is ever perfect, but always best to test drive a car to find best one for yourself and have time to seek out reviews and experience of other users

just remember when the first prius came out(lots of issues).. .. so as i said the first iterations of a new EV model may have flaws so find a car that meets your needs rather than make it a choice of you needing a model because its a new model

id rather have the 3rd gen/iteration of a model. let them work out the kinks to their predecessors

[Hydrogen]

Judging by the sawtooth shape of TSLA's stock chart "buy the dip" traders dominated stock prices over the last month.

Will be interesting to see the next stage of things as well as TSLA's final form.

Will TSLA shortsellers eventually emerge victorious or will TSLA maximalists prevail.

Its been awhile since Elon has did a tech demo or updated the roadmap for the future of TSLA technology. Their last big announcement was the $25k tesla EV due out in 2026.

Tesla's last technology updates were gigapress based manufacturing process, using aluminum castings in place of steel moldings. Etc.

[Vadym IP]

Tesla is facing backlash due to Elon’s actions, market shifts, and strong competition, especially from China. The situation is evolving.

Let's also mention the situation with X, as it was attacked as well. The only part that is OK is a spaceship program. Especially after the unsuccessful launch of the French spaceship. Still, I think it's a question of time and how fast European countries will improve their technologies.

when NASA takes $20bill a year
when ESA (European space agency) takes $7+ billions a year

but when it costs spaceX only $200m-$900m to be a space taxi to and from the ISS
the other countries and even nasa have a long way to go to compete

But still, does it have such a connection with the prices on Tesla cars? I mean, the same, let's say, 2021-2023 model S, X, 3 or Y. I'm not mentioning the newer models, as we can think about the worse quality. So, the prices have dropped almost 50%... I'm not familiar with the dealership situations, but the secondary market - yes.

not sure what you are asking. but right now there is some secondary market stuff happening
first to note. due to all the arson/scratches and riots happening against tesla. many private insurers are dropping support to insure tesla. and so it makes some want to get rid of their tesla and trying to sell it to willing buyers out side of rioting states. which is causing a secondary market change in purchase price

also just the drama of elon haters, people are less willing to buy second hand tesla's even at discount and even if they can find a insurer with reasonable premiums

Oh, so all that videos with glue are real, in fact...

the glue of cybertruck is real, its because instead of using molded bodywork, thats then clamped to the chassis using bolts or rivets. the cybertruck uses steal panels and so elons designers didnt want to have rivets showing on the outside, so glued it on instead of screwed/riveted on

the cyber truck is not the only vehicle that uses glue.. the lotus elise does it too

other interesting facts
the original design of the cybertruck looks like the squared off shape due to an idea of taking one large single sheet of steel cut the shape and fold the metal to join the edges and then weld the edges together like origami from the inside to not show any bad aesthetic flaws on the outside

however in production and developments of cost efficiency and time and process they just cut small sheet parts and then panel them onto the chassis but this would have required more work on each panel and causing aesthetic issues such as rivets, bolts and welding spots at the increased number of edges. so that led to the use of glue

EG if using small panels. they would then need to weld or rivet on a L shape bar on the back to hook onto the chassis to then bolt/secure it further, which was too much work. cost and would have caused aesthetic issues on the outside (world facing) side of the panel too.. so glue was the cheap, fast solution..

however the glue was not some glue that works in all extreme conditions. most badly paid designers only thought about the road use based on southern USA driving conditions.. which leads onto the other flaws when certain EV cars designed for one regions use dont perform well elsewhere. such as some EV's battery usage and maintenance is not designed for arctic freezing conditions because the designers were only thinking about their warm climate lifestyle and tests drives

other things like small city cars only think about flat road usage although some cities in other countries are made on hill/mountainsides so fail to have the torque to drive uphill, or 'gear-down'/brake effectively when going downhill

ive driven a few city and super cars that are all EV, and personally wasnt impressed with the cyber truck, though new generations/iterations probably will have improvements. other brands also come with flaws, nothing is ever perfect, but always best to test drive a car to find best one for yourself and have time to seek out reviews and experience of other users

just remember when the first prius came out(lots of issues).. .. so as i said the first iterations of a new EV model may have flaws so find a car that meets your needs rather than make it a choice of you needing a model because its a new model

id rather have the 3rd gen/iteration of a model. let them work out the kinks to their predecessors

WOW, thank you for this. You've described it perfectly.

[Hydrogen]

cybertruck uses steal panels

Space X rockets and cybertrucks might use the same grade of stainless steel.

Increasing production of that steel type could reduce overall material costs for Space X and Tesla products.

To pave the way for future manned missions to mars being more affordable.

Eventually mars habitats, spacecraft, satellites & infrastructure might all be constructed from the same stainless steel to further increase mass production while reducing base material costs.

Elon's crusade could be to achieve greater mass adoption of his stainless steel across multiple industries. But whether or not this will scale, remains to be seen.

[franky1]

cybertruck uses steal panels

Space X rockets and cybertrucks might use the same grade of stainless steel.

Increasing production of that steel type could reduce overall material costs for Space X and Tesla products.

To pave the way for future manned missions to mars being more affordable.

Eventually mars habitats, spacecraft, satellites & infrastructure might all be constructed from the same stainless steel to further increase mass production while reducing base material costs.

Elon's crusade could be to achieve greater mass adoption of his stainless steel across multiple industries. But whether or not this will scale, remains to be seen.

yep all elons businesses on earth are just R&D for space colonisation(moon&mars). and yes he is making products for earth just get ROI on investment to keep researching and developing stuff for the big picture of the space race to colonise moon and mars

EG
instead of heavy old generation solar photovoltaic(PV) panels. elon is trying to get thin-film PV panels which he sells as earth residential roof shingles. but its actually R&D for thin PV panels to reduce payload weight of carrying solar panels into space for satellites and mars colony energy generation missions

his boring (tunnel) company is not just for tunnelling roads under earths cities, its to drill-mine on moon and mars mostly, and side mission of R&D tunnelling transport routes between colony bases on other planets

trying to find light weight chassis for vehicles, and work out best replacement of parts without wasting labour or having excess weight is another aim for the space programs. EG when replacement/repairs are needed due to any small meteorite hits on equipment on the moon/mars landscape..
moulding fibreglass bodywork is more manufacturing complex in space than just cutting panels of steal
a single steel sheet folded and welded, ends up being harder to do in space than just small steel panels glued on
however the initial idea of single sheet folded and welded like origami was for atmospheric seal possibility

they are still working on a glue that is heat and chill resistant due to hot/dark side of moon and mars extremes. much like the R&D of not using ceramic panels for heat shields and insulation for freezing temperatures of space

..
other notes are that tesla are working hard to get automated driverless vehicles. as this week tesla have announced offering driverless cars by end of 2025. so expect his business to grow in the earth taxi-uber/public transport sector to get ROI on that R&D for the need of automated vehicles in the space program

.. but yes in the end elon sees the earth stuff as small non critical R&D as the big business is actually of supplies and taxi service of space mining (the maul-horse, pickaxe and cabin-lumber seller of the old wild west gold-rush era)
 
owning all the steel industry for all pickaxes is more profitable than refining the gold

[Vadym IP]

But still, would it be possible to live on Mars? I understand that there are some ways to reduce the costs of spaceship parts, but what about the planet itself? I've just googled; here is what I've got: the surface is not hospitable to humans or most known life forms due to the radiation, greatly reduced air pressure, and an atmosphere with only 0.16% oxygen.

I also think that between the Earth and colonization of Mars, there will be one more level. By this, I mean commercial human spaceflights. Like Virgin Galactic. Didn't Elon have such a plan as well?

Right now, Virgin Galactic's most advanced spaceship, the Delta Class, is expected to enter commercial service in 2026. Which is pretty soon.

And what about Tesla's robots  Or maybe they will do all the hard work on Mars, instead of humans?

[mcdouglasx]

But what is behind all that? From my perspective, I have information it's because of Elon himself. Crazy tweets, statements, etc...

yes but i think there’s also environmental concerns about tesla cars especially that one cybertruck

Given that mining lithium, cobalt, and nickel for batteries harms ecosystems and uses 2 million liters of water per ton of lithium, the environmental trade-offs aren't properly balanced.

[Hydrogen]

But still, would it be possible to live on Mars? I understand that there are some ways to reduce the costs of spaceship parts, but what about the planet itself? I've just googled; here is what I've got: the surface is not hospitable to humans or most known life forms due to the radiation, greatly reduced air pressure, and an atmosphere with only 0.16% oxygen.

I also think that between the Earth and colonization of Mars, there will be one more level. By this, I mean commercial human spaceflights. Like Virgin Galactic. Didn't Elon have such a plan as well?

Right now, Virgin Galactic's most advanced spaceship, the Delta Class, is expected to enter commercial service in 2026. Which is pretty soon.

And what about Tesla's robots  Or maybe they will do all the hard work on Mars, instead of humans?

Manned mission to mars would take more than 1 year in zero gravity.

Humans lose less than 1% bone density every day spent in zero g.

Human biology needs the compressive force of gravity to function properly. Without it different types of health abnormalities and complications develop.

Highest levels of radiation would also be in transit.

Travel time between earth and mars is most dangerous and difficult to cope with imo.