Warren Buffet - Tariffs are not paid by the Tooth Fairy

[franky1]

YOU keep thinking things are going to 5x in price or take a decade of empty shelves before retailers get to sell stuff thats american made

Those are your words not mine. Do not attribute me things that are in your mind, it is a syptom of bad stuff there.

YOU were the one many conversations ago of this topic crying about the capex being many billions to bring full production to US and how that cost would be passed onto customers..

Which is not what you said above. You insist on me reading you posts, but obviously you do not put yourself over the painstaking effort of doing so.

as i have explained many times, businesses will continue to do parts importing and US assembly method, thus reducing costs
as i have explained many times, trump is not closing the borders. even he knows US wont be full US sourced domestic production

As I have explained many times, costs will go up. The more tariffs and closeness of the market the more up.

your exaggerated numbers have been debunked and answered numerous times

Sorry, I must have missed the debunking part. Is that the post in which you deny that massive investment will be needed or the one in which you say massive inversting is already taking place?

The fact is that you cannot justify:

a) How the upskilling works.
b) How the US companies are going to import parts without tariffs.
c) How are you going to convince others to invest in the US if they have to "eat up the tariff".

i have already explained ad-nauseam.. you having reading and memory problems is something you need to deal with

but to clarify once more:
a. people dont need to learn how to make a caveman hammer to then learn how to make a wooden mallet to then learn how to make a metal hammer..
it does not take millions of years to learn to make a metal hammer, just days worth of "vocational"(search for it in topic) training

Please, do not blame me if I say that you give DIY explanations proper of a 6 year old. Most of the high-value added production (tb honest even manufacturing cheap and good hammers) requires training and sometimes years of training.

YOU made a statement denying that you ever said that prices are going to go up
YOU made a statement denying that it could takes years to sell stuff that is amercan made

but then in that exact same denial post, YOU admit that you repeatedly been saying that costs will go up and can take years to train and build the american infrastructure needed.. as you can see from above

however you ignore many factors.. and instead just want to flip flop just to be argumentative, rather then learn anything

b. as just said and said before.. transfering from one department of same company to another department of same company oversea's is treated as a different customs arrangement than that of selling parts to a customer.
also when the treaties are legally binding and voted in as law. they will have special arrangements for certain entities to get free access or discounts. just learn this stuff.. google is your friend. try it for once
c. there are, as explained already many methods to chew on the tariffs and break them up.. you pretend businesses just have to swallow the tariffs. learn that businesses will swap china for cheaper vietnam/india. and also set up parts factories under the brand in those countries and send it not as a sale to customer, but transfer to other operations.

Nope, when it gets to the border, it gets taxed. There cannot be tariffs and no tariffs at the same time. You seem to claim that all those tariffs are equal to nothing and can be avoided. Simply not true.

please take some time to learn
freeports/ FTZ are different docking procedures, locations and customs compared to standard ports - learn about them
also there are differences between trade policies vs trade treaties vs standard customs arrangements. there are different deals and arrangements - learn about them

There's nothing to look into Franky, most of the things you said do not even match each other. Like: tariffs are there, but they will be circunvented, and in any case they will not raise the prices... But when Amazon or Wallmart say that they are going to publish the cost of tariffs separately... oh, they should eat it, they are greedy.... all the usual excuses.

what you dont realise is this
amazon are doing greed flation tricks

lets say amazon wholesale buy a pair of shorts for $0.50 but retail it for $11 (yep shorts are actually $0.50 and less from foreign countries)
even at 145% amazon then say the customer has to pay $16 tariff so the total is $28

reality is amazon paid $0.50 for the shorts thus paid $0.72 tariff to get it delivered to amazon fulfilment/distribution centres. thus amazon could easily eat up the $0.72 extra and still profit by selling the shorts for $11

What you call "greedflation" is a company selling at the highest price they can and user buying at the lowest price they can. "Greedflation" does not exist in a market in which other competitors can simply lower the price and get the sale.

This is so simple, so basic and so easy to understand... supply, demand, price point... the veeery basics.

greedflation is not about a company trying to sell high and a user trying to buy low..
you are describing "negotiation".. where they are trying to find an agreeable amount between each others bids

greedflation is where the company just raises their price far higher than reasonable .. end of
where there is no logical economic reason for the rise apart from greed on the companies part

it has nothing to do with the user trying to get a low bid. its about the company selling goods at too high a price compared to economic value logic
and amazon is playing this trick to charge a customer more then necessary, especially when the actual tariff(if amazon paid one) is not the amount amazon tells the customer to pay