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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_-8vVx94Ho&ab_channel=CBSChicago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Panz7Yza5_Q&ab_channel=KCALNews



https://indivisible.org/
https://www.movetoamend.org/
https://www.mobilize.us/handsoff/
https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/



Fox news removes its stock market ticker and getting useful information for everyday people just gets more difficult every day.
How much more stupid can we get and still function as a society?


Why would a president be afraid of a "woke" population?
Why is actual history not taught in American schools?
Why does our government website read like a right wing cheesy infomercial? https://www.whitehouse.gov/

Buckley v. Valeo (1976): Money was equated to free speech, allowing wealthy individuals to pour unlimited funds into campaigns.
 
Add "Citizens United" and lobbyists backed by mega corporations = we the people have been made quiet...hushed.
Trying Lugi as a domestic "terrorist"


Do you see or want to stay sleepy?
https://weneverforget.org/hellraisers-journal-the-firing-squad-with-the-screen-removed-a-cartoon-by-ralph-chaplin/

Everyday people are a threat to the establishment when they stand up for each other.

I'm way too old for Anarchy. We should make the system we have accountable to us again.

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The 3.5% Rule  
Why Civil Resistance Works: The Strategic Logic of Nonviolent Conflict
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4syl-hZ9_I&ab_channel=PodSaveAmerica    (haven't finished watching but the book was worth reading)


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The next Hands Off will be on the 19th

https://www.fiftyfifty.one/events   (not an easy site to navigate yet but keep an eye on it for improvements)


https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/anti-trump-sentiments-mounting-massive-protests-april-19-planned-in-50-us-states-and-over-11-million-expected-to-take-part/articleshow/120128509.cms?from=mdr

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_-8vVx94Ho&ab_channel=CBSChicago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Panz7Yza5_Q&ab_channel=KCALNews



https://indivisible.org/
https://www.movetoamend.org/
https://www.mobilize.us/handsoff/
https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/



Fox news removes its stock market ticker and getting useful information for everyday people just gets more difficult every day.
How much more stupid can we get and still function as a society?


Why would a president be afraid of a "woke" population?
Why is actual history not taught in American schools?
Why does our government website read like a right wing cheesy infomercial? https://www.whitehouse.gov/

Buckley v. Valeo (1976): Money was equated to free speech, allowing wealthy individuals to pour unlimited funds into campaigns.
 
Add "Citizens United" and lobbyists backed by mega corporations = we the people have been made quiet...hushed.
Trying Lugi as a domestic "terrorist"


Do you see or want to stay sleepy?
https://weneverforget.org/hellraisers-journal-the-firing-squad-with-the-screen-removed-a-cartoon-by-ralph-chaplin/

Everyday people are a threat to the establishment when they stand up for each other.

I'm way too old for Anarchy. We should make the system we have accountable to us again.

 



“Because woke population always calls for revolution”
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No amount of hatred for Trump or improvement in voting systems will ever be sufficient to get people to personally participate in government. Voting once a year is isn't even a start for people to participate in government if they have not properly researched the candidates and researched what the previous candidate has done in office which wasn't appropriate.

Look at Europe, they have better voting systems than the USA, but they fail at respecting people basic human rights to own property, own weapons, and speak freely. Europe is by an authoritarian and hostile place to live in comparison.

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Look at Europe, they have better voting systems than the USA, but they fail at respecting people basic human rights to own property, own weapons, and speak freely. Europe is by an authoritarian and hostile place to live in comparison.
That's just hilarious.

Property:
In EU we own property, i am not sure if i even want to know where you heard otherwise.

But let's consider land/housing as a property for a moment. Major problem in the world with housing is wealth inequality, meaning that wealth accumulates to few. Rest of the people who aren't rich will have trouble to buy anything, (no matter how hard they work), as rich famiies have pretty much already have acquired the best areas and control the pricing. They have no incentive to lower the prices, and prices go up faster then people can grow their wealth, so rest of the people rather rent.

Btw: Current administration is US is removing safeguards to prevent next housing crisis in there.

Weapons:
In Finland for example, roughly over 1/3th of the citizens owns a firearm. They say it's for self defence / hunting, but only small fraction of the people actually hunt anything.
But as they are country of rule and law, so they don't like to carry them. They pretty much trust on police, which basically never shoots anyone.

Freedom of speech:
What part of the world are we comparing EU citizens to exactly?



https://rsf.org/en/map-2024-world-press-freedom-index

That report is from 2024, and considering what trump has said that he is planning to do with freedom of speech in USA, i might rank them heavily down. Hell, he tries to ban words used in UN official reports.

If it's platforms you speak about, then we get censored by saying cis-gender in twitter. And (non-violent) posts about removing trump from the office gets removed now. Meanwhile it's non-issue to wish that Ukrainians would die.

And i haven't even started about the usa becoming total authoritarian state, starting by trump sending people to El Salvador without due process, refusing to return one send in mistake & planning to send "home grown" US "criminals and terrorists" to El Salvador as well (Not his fans though, those he will pardon or hire).

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April 18, 2025, 11:19:54 AM
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Look at Europe, they have better voting systems than the USA, but they fail at respecting people basic human rights to own property, own weapons, and speak freely. Europe is by an authoritarian and hostile place to live in comparison.
That's just hilarious.

Property:
In EU we own property, i am not sure if i even want to know where you heard otherwise.

But let's consider land/housing as a property for a moment. Major problem in the world with housing is wealth inequality, meaning that wealth accumulates to few. Rest of the people who aren't rich will have trouble to buy anything, (no matter how hard they work), as rich famiies have pretty much already have acquired the best areas and control the pricing. They have no incentive to lower the prices, and prices go up faster then people can grow their wealth, so rest of the people rather rent.

Btw: Current administration is US is removing safeguards to prevent next housing crisis in there.

Weapons:
In Finland for example, roughly over 1/3th of the citizens owns a firearm. They say it's for self defence / hunting, but only small fraction of the people actually hunt anything.
But as they are country of rule and law, so they don't like to carry them. They pretty much trust on police, which basically never shoots anyone.

Freedom of speech:
What part of the world are we comparing EU citizens to exactly?



https://rsf.org/en/map-2024-world-press-freedom-index

That report is from 2024, and considering what trump has said that he is planning to do with freedom of speech in USA, i might rank them heavily down. Hell, he tries to ban words used in UN official reports.

If it's platforms you speak about, then we get censored by saying cis-gender in twitter. And (non-violent) posts about removing trump from the office gets removed now. Meanwhile it's non-issue to wish that Ukrainians would die.

And i haven't even started about the usa becoming total authoritarian state, starting by trump sending people to El Salvador without due process, refusing to return one send in mistake & planning to send "home grown" US "criminals and terrorists" to El Salvador as well (Not his fans though, those he will pardon or hire).
I don't find human rights violations by Europe to be funny at all. People under North Korea, Stalin, and Mao also thought they owned property. No, they didn't own property. The state owns the property and allows citizens to borrow it at their "good grace".
It is difficult to say who respects property more and less especially with the bad data available, but you can see European countries have revoked property rights with their tax rates well above 15% of GDP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio

No country that taxes above 15% could consider anyone to be the owners of "their" property. And of course there is the outright criminal mindset of taxing a house. If you have to pay property tax on a house, you don't own it, you rent it. Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news on that topic! So no even the USA doesn't properly respect property rights, but they do so dramatically more than Europe.

As for gun rights, its common knowledge that gun rights are respected more in the USA than any other major country. I need not provide any sources on that.

Home schooling is more or less outlawed in Germany, making it a totally unlivable place for any family.

Free Speech is openly disregarded in Europe and many people go to jail for sharing opinions on social media.

"3,395 people were detained and questioned for online speech alone in 2016, a rate of nine per day. Nearly half of those questioned were prosecuted. Typical was the case of Lee Joseph Dunn, who last July posted three memes suggesting that Asian men possessing knives might move into British communities, possibly after immigrating illegally. Dunn deleted the memes and apologized; he was therefore sentenced to only two months in jail instead of three. The same judge, however, gave Billy Thompson the full three months for a heated Facebook post that included emojis of an ethnic minority and a gun."
Source: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/free-speech-wobbles-uk

There are laws against hateful speech in Europe. Of course hate is a human emotion, and expressing our emotions towards others is a human right. In the USA, the supreme court has ruled hate speech is a protected right.

There are dramatically more rights and freedoms in the USA specifically in part because Trump appointed judges are protecting gun rights more firmly, though they have a long way to go to properly protect weapons rights.

People who specially move for freedoms and liberties often choose places like New Hampshire, Wyoming, and to a lesser extent places like Florida for it's tax policies. In Europe there are not many options as Switzerland is no longer all that respectful of liberties as they were, especially with their brazenly anti-freedom weapon policies.

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Look at Europe, they have better voting systems than the USA, but they fail at respecting people basic human rights to own property, own weapons, and speak freely. Europe is by an authoritarian and hostile place to live in comparison.
That's just hilarious.

Property:
In EU we own property, i am not sure if i even want to know where you heard otherwise.

But let's consider land/housing as a property for a moment. Major problem in the world with housing is wealth inequality, meaning that wealth accumulates to few. Rest of the people who aren't rich will have trouble to buy anything, (no matter how hard they work), as rich famiies have pretty much already have acquired the best areas and control the pricing. They have no incentive to lower the prices, and prices go up faster then people can grow their wealth, so rest of the people rather rent.

Btw: Current administration is US is removing safeguards to prevent next housing crisis in there.

Weapons:
In Finland for example, roughly over 1/3th of the citizens owns a firearm. They say it's for self defence / hunting, but only small fraction of the people actually hunt anything.
But as they are country of rule and law, so they don't like to carry them. They pretty much trust on police, which basically never shoots anyone.

Freedom of speech:
What part of the world are we comparing EU citizens to exactly?



https://rsf.org/en/map-2024-world-press-freedom-index

That report is from 2024, and considering what trump has said that he is planning to do with freedom of speech in USA, i might rank them heavily down. Hell, he tries to ban words used in UN official reports.

If it's platforms you speak about, then we get censored by saying cis-gender in twitter. And (non-violent) posts about removing trump from the office gets removed now. Meanwhile it's non-issue to wish that Ukrainians would die.

And i haven't even started about the usa becoming total authoritarian state, starting by trump sending people to El Salvador without due process, refusing to return one send in mistake & planning to send "home grown" US "criminals and terrorists" to El Salvador as well (Not his fans though, those he will pardon or hire).


We are under an immense cognitive load over here ;-)  and some others are just embodying-----Hypernormalization: "the acceptance and embrace of distorted or simplified versions of reality, often with a sense of complacency or even contentment".

Americas founding principles are worthy ideals to strive for, even with the failures along the way. It is only in recent decades that we've began to broaden our own understanding of the suffering and exploitation, that some of the world still suffers for our consumption and comfort.
 AND that is how we (humanity) learn how to progress without allowing a 1% to extract everything including our compassion for other living beings being able to exist with dignity.

I read The Diary of Anne Frank in school and wondered (with harsh judgement) how the German people could have allowed that to happen? If we had been taught the Native Protests, Fredrick Douglas's Narrative of the American Slave or A Peoples History of the United States; we would not be here in this moment.

It isn't just about protesting the direction our government is heading, it is letting our world allies know that we are still allies in liberty, aside from economic blackouts industry has got to know it has to change direction toward our mutual progress because it currently has more influence over our governments than we do....and I mean WE humans everywhere.

Liberty takes diligence. Will the protest make a difference? Maybe not: I hope so.
I hope they can remain peaceful and not over policed: we have seen how that has turned out in the past.

Bella Ciao



No amount of hatred for Trump or improvement in voting systems will ever be sufficient to get people to personally participate in government. Voting once a year is isn't even a start for people to participate in government if they have not properly researched the candidates and researched what the previous candidate has done in office which wasn't appropriate.

Look at Europe, they have better voting systems than the USA, but they fail at respecting people basic human rights to own property, own weapons, and speak freely. Europe is by an authoritarian and hostile place to live in comparison.


We have a 2 party system, we shouldn't be surprised at the division. At local levels you can make more nuanced choices, vote on state measures (that few people read or understand). I don't think you've studied our history + eminent domain, freedom of speech is literally at stake in my country right now. The 2nd amendment is a fantasy in regards to citizens protecting itself from government. Trumps ideologies are hostile to my idea of liberty.



Since the news comes too fast and we have yet to see how the checks and balances are going to work out it is time to see if there will be viable solutions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rHKwHQUa78&t=4s&ab_channel=TheWeeklyShowwithJonStewart




Why would a president be afraid of a "woke" population?
Why is actual history not taught in American schools?

Buckley v. Valeo (1976): Money was equated to free speech, allowing wealthy individuals to pour unlimited funds into campaigns.
 

Everyday people are a threat to the establishment when they stand up for each other.


“Because woke population always calls for revolution”

Or liberty for people and regulation for industry.



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You totally ignored my every point including that freedom of press chart, that's by actual reporters without borders by the way.
And i assume that you did it only because it doesn't fit in your narrative.

But since you feel safe to go this road, let's do that and break your post apart, i try to keep it short:

I don't find human rights violations by Europe to be funny at all. People under North Korea, Stalin, and Mao also thought they owned property. No, they didn't own property. The state owns the property and allows citizens to borrow it at their "good grace".
It is difficult to say who respects property more and less especially with the bad data available, but you can see European countries have revoked property rights with their tax rates well above 15% of GDP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio

No country that taxes above 15% could consider anyone to be the owners of "their" property. And of course there is the outright criminal mindset of taxing a house. If you have to pay property tax on a house, you don't own it, you rent it. Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news on that topic! So no even the USA doesn't properly respect property rights, but they do so dramatically more than Europe.
I am sorry if i laughed, but i find your views extraordinary delusional, and laughing to something like that is my defense mechanism.

Higher taxes are something that traditionally have been inseparable part of any prospering and transparent society, society that takes cares of their citizens, while having growing economy that has enough tools to fight against corruption.

Prospering society doesn't come as a free handout for their citizens, there's a price to pay for that and that's called taxes.
I am sorry if it's hurting your feelings though.

They are needed not only to build infra, but maintain civil rest without constant mass shootings. They are needed to upkeep regulations that protect your privacy against profit seeking companies. By the way, tech bros in USA hope that Trump would pressure EU to lower their privacy laws, and that would make their invasion of privacy our problem as well.

Bringing up North-Korea when talking about EU, in where people (by your own words) have a better voting system than USA, while FOX seems more and more like NK propaganda, and trump sending people to El Salvador without due process is kinda hilarious too.

Home schooling is more or less outlawed in Germany, making it a totally unlivable place for any family.
Homeschooling isn't illegal in all EU, but i totally understand the reasoning for that.
You want people to integrate to society, not for them to abuse their kids in peace, or form separate shadow legal systems or ghettos.
That also ensures kids to have as unbiased education as possible, with quality that most parents can't provide.
It's also removing inequality by giving everyone same opportunities. I understand if some parent's are against it, but their kids aren't parent's property.

And frankly, saying that there's something wrong in EU compared to USA is throwing stones in glass houses.

As for gun rights, its common knowledge that gun rights are respected more in the USA than any other major country. I need not provide any sources on that.
And what exactly do you need those guns for? Ah, against daily mass shootings by crazy people? People robbing your house? Or against crazy leadership you elected?

Which might have been largely prevented by taking care of their citizens by those taxes? How is that going for them?

And once again, we are able to buy guns, we don't just hand out them to crazy people and we mainly don't just adore them. We feel safe enough without them. We like not to get killed daily with mass shootings either. It's a culture thing i suppose.

Free Speech is openly disregarded in Europe and many people go to jail for sharing opinions on social media.

"3,395 people were detained and questioned for online speech alone in 2016, a rate of nine per day. Nearly half of those questioned were prosecuted. Typical was the case of Lee Joseph Dunn, who last July posted three memes suggesting that Asian men possessing knives might move into British communities, possibly after immigrating illegally. Dunn deleted the memes and apologized; he was therefore sentenced to only two months in jail instead of three. The same judge, however, gave Billy Thompson the full three months for a heated Facebook post that included emojis of an ethnic minority and a gun."
Source: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/free-speech-wobbles-uk

There are laws against hateful speech in Europe. Of course hate is a human emotion, and expressing our emotions towards others is a human right. In the USA, the supreme court has ruled hate speech is a protected right.

There are dramatically more rights and freedoms in the USA specifically in part because Trump appointed judges are protecting gun rights more firmly, though they have a long way to go to properly protect weapons rights.

People who specially move for freedoms and liberties often choose places like New Hampshire, Wyoming, and to a lesser extent places like Florida for it's tax policies. In Europe there are not many options as Switzerland is no longer all that respectful of liberties as they were, especially with their brazenly anti-freedom weapon policies.
I get that concept is difficult to you. Concept of hate speech is a tricky one, especially if you haven't learned from history where demonizing minorities usually leads.

I can feely say that i hate, loath, or am disgusted by someone, but using some minorities religion, ethnicity, disability or sexual orientation to justify my hate, that smears larger group of people no matter if you intended it. And we have seen that this leads to persecution and exclusion, and in worst cases to genocide. And this is based on studies by experts.

Compared to Trump's vision of free speech: https://time.com/7264811/trump-free-speech-joint-address-essay/

Also i am certain that you can provide more credible links about EU then some random american zine with zero reference links talking about non-EU country.

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April 19, 2025, 12:29:30 PM
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You totally ignored my every point including that freedom of press chart, that's by actual reporters without borders by the way.
And i assume that you did it only because it doesn't fit in your narrative.

But since you feel safe to go this road, let's do that and break your post apart, i try to keep it short:

I don't find human rights violations by Europe to be funny at all. People under North Korea, Stalin, and Mao also thought they owned property. No, they didn't own property. The state owns the property and allows citizens to borrow it at their "good grace".
It is difficult to say who respects property more and less especially with the bad data available, but you can see European countries have revoked property rights with their tax rates well above 15% of GDP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_tax_revenue_to_GDP_ratio

No country that taxes above 15% could consider anyone to be the owners of "their" property. And of course there is the outright criminal mindset of taxing a house. If you have to pay property tax on a house, you don't own it, you rent it. Sorry to have to be the bearer of bad news on that topic! So no even the USA doesn't properly respect property rights, but they do so dramatically more than Europe.
I am sorry if i laughed, but i find your views extraordinary delusional, and laughing to something like that is my defense mechanism.

Higher taxes are something that traditionally have been inseparable part of any prospering and transparent society, society that takes cares of their citizens, while having growing economy that has enough tools to fight against corruption.

Prospering society doesn't come as a free handout for their citizens, there's a price to pay for that and that's called taxes.
I am sorry if it's hurting your feelings though.

They are needed not only to build infra, but maintain civil rest without constant mass shootings. They are needed to upkeep regulations that protect your privacy against profit seeking companies. By the way, tech bros in USA hope that Trump would pressure EU to lower their privacy laws, and that would make their invasion of privacy our problem as well.

Bringing up North-Korea when talking about EU, in where people (by your own words) have a better voting system than USA, while FOX seems more and more like NK propaganda, and trump sending people to El Salvador without due process is kinda hilarious too.

Home schooling is more or less outlawed in Germany, making it a totally unlivable place for any family.
Homeschooling isn't illegal in all EU, but i totally understand the reasoning for that.
You want people to integrate to society, not for them to abuse their kids in peace, or form separate shadow legal systems or ghettos.
That also ensures kids to have as unbiased education as possible, with quality that most parents can't provide.
It's also removing inequality by giving everyone same opportunities. I understand if some parent's are against it, but their kids aren't parent's property.

And frankly, saying that there's something wrong in EU compared to USA is throwing stones in glass houses.

As for gun rights, its common knowledge that gun rights are respected more in the USA than any other major country. I need not provide any sources on that.
And what exactly do you need those guns for? Ah, against daily mass shootings by crazy people? People robbing your house? Or against crazy leadership you elected?

Which might have been largely prevented by taking care of their citizens by those taxes? How is that going for them?

And once again, we are able to buy guns, we don't just hand out them to crazy people and we mainly don't just adore them. We feel safe enough without them. We like not to get killed daily with mass shootings either. It's a culture thing i suppose.

Free Speech is openly disregarded in Europe and many people go to jail for sharing opinions on social media.

"3,395 people were detained and questioned for online speech alone in 2016, a rate of nine per day. Nearly half of those questioned were prosecuted. Typical was the case of Lee Joseph Dunn, who last July posted three memes suggesting that Asian men possessing knives might move into British communities, possibly after immigrating illegally. Dunn deleted the memes and apologized; he was therefore sentenced to only two months in jail instead of three. The same judge, however, gave Billy Thompson the full three months for a heated Facebook post that included emojis of an ethnic minority and a gun."
Source: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/free-speech-wobbles-uk

There are laws against hateful speech in Europe. Of course hate is a human emotion, and expressing our emotions towards others is a human right. In the USA, the supreme court has ruled hate speech is a protected right.

There are dramatically more rights and freedoms in the USA specifically in part because Trump appointed judges are protecting gun rights more firmly, though they have a long way to go to properly protect weapons rights.

People who specially move for freedoms and liberties often choose places like New Hampshire, Wyoming, and to a lesser extent places like Florida for it's tax policies. In Europe there are not many options as Switzerland is no longer all that respectful of liberties as they were, especially with their brazenly anti-freedom weapon policies.
I get that concept is difficult to you. Concept of hate speech is a tricky one, especially if you haven't learned from history where demonizing minorities usually leads.

I can feely say that i hate, loath, or am disgusted by someone, but using some minorities religion, ethnicity, disability or sexual orientation to justify my hate, that smears larger group of people no matter if you intended it. And we have seen that this leads to persecution and exclusion, and in worst cases to genocide. And this is based on studies by experts.

Compared to Trump's vision of free speech: https://time.com/7264811/trump-free-speech-joint-address-essay/

Also i am certain that you can provide more credible links about EU then some random american zine with zero reference links talking about non-EU country.
I find the concept that taxation has a net benefit to society, to be extraordinarily delusional. Taxation seems to have been invented by kings to siphon money from peasants. It was never invented to help anyone but the king. The spin that it is beneficial to society is the propaganda of dictatorships, not objective political science study. Taxation is taking other people's property without their permission. Theft is taking other people's property without their permission. Taxation is theft, extortion, and slavery. Without evidence to the contrary, I suppose good things don't come from immoral and unethical actions.

Clearly, you're entire political platform is built on the concept of pragmatics, not principles. I have a common libertarian mindset, which political science has absolutely not shown to be delusional at all. Libertarians are fact-based people grounded in reality who are keen to acknowledge economic studies. I'd go as far to say people who do politics actually never check to see if what they are doing is actually a net benefit, they purely assume that and use violence to achieve their goals without their proofs. Tax-based schools purely assumed them selves to be a net benefit without evidence. And now many school systems produce adults who can't even read, especially in the USA.

And of course as taxation has increased over the past generation, the wealth gap has gone back into the favor of the rich in the past generation while the middle class has shrunken. So not only does the theory not work, but the apparent trends are not working either. So, I'm going to bet against you that the data will show exactly the opposite of your theory. You seem like a facts-based person which is great. We could look at the data about how tax rates changing over time effect on the poor and middle class populations if you care to. While the poor have greatly benefited from technology improvements, I don't believe higher taxes have benefited them. And, the middle class seems to have outright suffered from higher tax rates.

I'm willing to bet low-tax countries have a thriving middle class, while high-tax countries don't. And I have yet to see the data, but I know the morals of the situation.

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US society wasn't meant to act as a society... at least not in the basic way. Basically it was meant to act as a family... each family individually... each family a kingdom. The society idea comes after that.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgdSSKE0tUk&ab_channel=CNN-News18                  ---it may still be live


*On Saturday [4/19/25], the 50501 Movement, which brands itself as a decentralized network, is holding what its calling a "day of action." The name stands for 50 protests in 50 states and one movement — referring to the group's first nationwide protest at state capitols. Hundreds of local protests, teach-ins, and mutual aid efforts are planned in response to what organizers say are "anti-democratic and illegal actions of the Trump administration."



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✈️  Well, it finally happened. The Wall Street darlings—the ones who usually toss rose petals at the feet of Republican tax slashers—just threw a brick through the front window of Trump’s economic fantasyland. Goldman Sachs, the very temple of American capitalism, just announced that Donald Trump’s reign of incompetence could cost the United States $90 billion. That’s billion—with a B. And what’s to blame? Not immigrants. Not socialism. Not drag queens or wind turbines. Nope. It’s Trump’s own policies. His xenophobia. His tariffs. His tantrums. His endless quest to make America hated again.
Let’s be crystal clear. This isn’t just a PR problem. This is a gut punch to working-class Americans who depend on tourism, exports, and goodwill from people around the world. What did you think was going to happen when the President started jailing tourists, banning professors, and turning airports into international hostage zones? Families don’t want their vacations to end in a holding cell. Students don’t want to study in a country run by a paranoid lunatic. And travelers from Europe? They’re not coming to the U.S. to be treated like suspected terrorists at JFK. They’re staying the hell away—and they’re taking their money with them.
Hotels in New York and San Francisco are already feeling it. National parks are seeing fewer visitors. Theme parks are bracing for a summer drop. Some areas that rely almost entirely on European summer tourists are reporting bookings down 25%—and that’s just the beginning. Canadian summer reservations are down 70%. That’s not a dip. That’s a collapse. That’s a five-alarm fire for entire regions of the country that survive off seasonal income. And the man holding the gas can is the one shouting “America First” from a podium made of lies.
And what are we getting in return for this scorched-earth diplomacy? A couple of bumper stickers about “fair trade” and a fantasyland of empty promises. Trump’s tariffs are a disaster. Prices are soaring, foreign demand is drying up, and our farmers, our manufacturers, and our exporters are left holding the bag. We’re not punishing China—we’re punishing ourselves. And the rest of the world is watching, shaking their heads, and finding new places to spend their money. France isn’t taking MAGA bucks. Japan isn’t booking conference centers in Miami. Norway’s literally cutting off oil sales to us because we’re too cozy with Putin. This is what losing looks like.
Goldman Sachs—again, not Bernie Sanders, not The Squad, not MSNBC—says this could knock a full 0.3% off our GDP. That’s a $90 billion nosedive. That’s real jobs. That’s real wages. That’s real tax revenue gone. Trump’s “Golden Age” isn’t gold at all. It’s rusted tin spray-painted in MAGA red, flaking off under the weight of corruption and cruelty. You can’t scream “BUILD THE WALL” on the global stage and expect the rest of the world to hand you a mojito and a five-star Yelp review.
This is what happens when you let a sociopathic brand mascot cosplay as a president. He doesn’t care about diplomacy. He doesn’t understand economics. He thinks trade deals are bar fights and foreign policy is a reality show. Meanwhile, real people suffer. Tour guides lose their jobs. Local shops shut their doors. Farmers go bankrupt. And the man responsible is too busy posting AI-generated memes to notice—or care.
So let’s call it what it is: an economic crisis of Trump’s own making. Not because of immigration. Not because of regulation. But because he turned the United States into an international cautionary tale. This is not a strong country. This is a paranoid, unstable wreck bleeding money, respect, and opportunity. And unless we end this MAGA experiment before it gets worse, we’ll be stuck selling knockoff souvenirs in the ruins of what used to be a world power."

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Buckley v. Valeo (1976): Money was equated to free speech, allowing wealthy individuals to pour unlimited funds into campaigns.
 
Add "Citizens United" and lobbyists backed by mega corporations = we the people have been made quiet...hushed.
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Everyday people are a threat to the establishment when they stand up for each other.

I'm way too old for Anarchy. We should make the system we have accountable to us again.

 


In regards to the bolded, I believe good quality info is valuable enough and will spread. People who only have limited funds can fall back on that, as is more valuable than "unlimited funding". Just create good quality info and it'll somehow get to everyone. Money is not the solution to everything. When you focus on quality and be consistent, most people will get them. This is a mystery.

They are free to pour unlimited funds into campaigns but good quality will be way more effective..

To solve the bolded and other issues mentioned, people who desire to do what is right can collaborate on a truely open-source and transparent system that can't easily be censored or taken down to create contents or products with little to zero issues after  thorough reviewed by the participants. It's what makes a good content spread around without pouring unlimited amount of funds.
Besides, it's better to abandon a negative system and join a positive one to oppose and counter the negative than trying to remain in it and make it accountable. It can be overwhelming to swim against the tide unless you have a stronger opposing force helping you.
This is basically what Bitcoin and decentralization is all about
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Buckley v. Valeo (1976): Money was equated to free speech, allowing wealthy individuals to pour unlimited funds into campaigns.
 
Add "Citizens United" and lobbyists backed by mega corporations = we the people have been made quiet...hushed.
Trying Lugi as a domestic "terr orist"


Everyday people are a threat to the establishment when they stand up for each other.

I'm way too old for Anarchy. We should make the system we have accountable to us again.

 


In regards to the bolded, I believe good quality info is valuable enough and will spread. People who only have limited funds can fall back on that, as is more valuable than "unlimited funding". Just create good quality info and it'll somehow get to everyone. Money is not the solution to everything. When you focus on quality and be consistent, most people will get them. This is a mystery.

They are free to pour unlimited funds into campaigns but good quality will be way more effective..

To solve the bolded and other issues mentioned, people who desire to do what is right can collaborate on a truely open-source and transparent system that can't easily be censored or taken down to create contents or products with little to zero issues after  thorough reviewed by the participants. It's what makes a good content spread around without pouring unlimited amount of funds.
Besides, it's better to abandon a negative system and join a positive one to oppose and counter the negative than trying to remain in it and make it accountable. It can be overwhelming to swim against the tide unless you have a stronger opposing force helping you.
This is basically what Bitcoin and decentralization is all about

No matter where you are in the world, you are subject to the governing laws of that domain. When it is one that strives for the ideal of liberty for people then you have a chance, when it decides 'some people' should have liberty; what do you have?

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Another day of note will be May 1st.

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Buckley v. Valeo (1976): Money was equated to free speech, allowing wealthy individuals to pour unlimited funds into campaigns.
 
Add "Citizens United" and lobbyists backed by mega corporations = we the people have been made quiet...hushed.
Trying Lugi as a domestic "terr orist"


Everyday people are a threat to the establishment when they stand up for each other.

I'm way too old for Anarchy. We should make the system we have accountable to us again.

 


In regards to the bolded, I believe good quality info is valuable enough and will spread. People who only have limited funds can fall back on that, as is more valuable than "unlimited funding". Just create good quality info and it'll somehow get to everyone. Money is not the solution to everything. When you focus on quality and be consistent, most people will get them. This is a mystery.

They are free to pour unlimited funds into campaigns but good quality will be way more effective..

To solve the bolded and other issues mentioned, people who desire to do what is right can collaborate on a truely open-source and transparent system that can't easily be censored or taken down to create contents or products with little to zero issues after  thorough reviewed by the participants. It's what makes a good content spread around without pouring unlimited amount of funds.
Besides, it's better to abandon a negative system and join a positive one to oppose and counter the negative than trying to remain in it and make it accountable. It can be overwhelming to swim against the tide unless you have a stronger opposing force helping you.
This is basically what Bitcoin and decentralization is all about

No matter where you are in the world, you are subject to the governing laws of that domain. When it is one that strives for the ideal of liberty for people then you have a chance, when it decides 'some people' should have liberty; what do you have?




As long as the law is good, ofcourse we will be subject to it. And If you are wise enough you could break even the good law if you understand or know what it was meant to prevent, and avoid it. For example:
imagine in a society where it's forbidden to eat pig meat for no reason, you travel to that society and got lost in a jungle full of pigs, wandering for days wihout food, If you catch a pig and eat, even while knowing it's forbidden to do so, would you be condemned for that or they prefer to see you die in starvation no matter what? If the starvation kills you then the law failed you or you failed to do the right thing while knowing the reason the law forbids people from eating meat, like hygiene reason. And the right thing is to properly clean and cook the pig so that you are saved from the consequences of breaking the law.




If a law is meant for good reason it's OK to be subject to it unless you know what you are doing. However, evil laws are meant to be broken and nothing will happen unless you get hit with artificial/unjust penalties from people, but still, the one with clean hand has more advantage over the persecutor in times of battle
We are meant to be subject to good rather than bad law. The bad laws are often created by errors or deliberately by people who choose to create them.
We are not subject to evil laws and it's good to disobey them.

How we know good or bad law.
Good law solves problem without creating more problems whereas evil law creates more problems. It's good to obey the good ones and disobey the evil ones as long as they meet the criteria of good or evil law.
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As long as the law is good, ofcourse we will be subject to it. And If you are wise enough you could break even the good law if you understand or know what it was meant to prevent, and avoid it. For example:
imagine in a society where it's forbidden to eat pig meat for no reason, you travel to that society and got lost in a jungle full of pigs, wandering for days wihout food, If you catch a pig and eat, even while knowing it's forbidden to do so, would you be condemned for that or they prefer to see you die in starvation no matter what? If the starvation kills you then the law failed you or you failed to do the right thing while knowing the reason the law forbids people from eating meat, like hygiene reason. And the right thing is to properly clean and cook the pig so that you are saved from the consequences of breaking the law.




If a law is meant for good reason it's OK to be subject to it unless you know what you are doing. However, evil laws are meant to be broken and nothing will happen unless you get hit with artificial/unjust penalties from people, but still, the one with clean hand has more advantage over the persecutor in times of battle
We are meant to be subject to good rather than bad law. The bad laws are often created by errors or deliberately by people who choose to create them.
We are not subject to evil laws and it's good to disobey them.

How we know good or bad law.
Good law solves problem without creating more problems whereas evil law creates more problems. It's good to obey the good ones and disobey the evil ones as long as they meet the criteria of good or evil law.




Laws that extract human dignity for profit or in the interest of power are evil.

Eating unclean meat is either against god's law or simply unwise depending on your religion....however
A government that will not regulate industry and keep the department responsible for making sure our meat is safe; is unacceptable to me.

"It was illegal to hide Ann Frank in an attic but it was lawful to kill her"  1945 ------we already know this to be wrong.
Will we as humanity continue to sell each other out or will we do better? This is the moment we are in.

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oiF28OdWxUk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auWGCHkM08s&ab_channel=DemocracyNow%21

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Veterans Organizing 'Call to Action' Rally on D-Day Anniversary in Nation's Capital

"veterans are pushing back. The largest upcoming event is being organized for 2 p.m. in Washington, D.C., on June 6, but the coalition is expecting similar marches to be held at state capitals across the country.

They envision a "patriotic" theme at the events, "rooted in Americanism and veterans," according to Attig.

Chris Purdy, CEO of the Chamberlain Network, an advocacy group that works to involve veterans in civic engagement and local and state politics, said the event will be a nonpartisan opportunity for veterans to show the value they bring to the country.

"This is not an anti-Trump protest. … This is not about an individual. This is about an idea that we need to take care of our service members, people who fought for this country and just want to keep serving this country and have access to the benefits that they are owed," Purdy said during an interview Tuesday."



https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/04/17/veterans-organizing-call-action-rally-d-day-anniversary-nations-capital.html

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NO KINGS June 14th 2025 (aka Flag Day)

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Make one.

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https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/gov-newsom-tells-president-trump-to-stand-down-amid-l-a-protests-241152581707

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