Open letter to wackjobs like Bitcoingirl.club

[Vod]

I have no problem if you feel I am mentally ill and subsequently have a wavering feeling of intelligence around me.    I don't mind if you imagine me a broke loser, or even make empty threats.  

I am the longest running DT member for a reason - I am trustworthy, I do not lie and I've never tried to extort anyone.   If you offer me unsolicited help and I accept it, and you call it extortion, then you are the one commiting the crime here.  OgNasty did the same thing - ask him how it's working out financially.  

If you wouldn't have lied and let me have the last word, I wouldn't have had to write this letter.  

The money was asked to remove two feedback that he left and offered me that he will replace those neutral feedback with a positive one. H

I never asked - you offered.

You are not an old timer.  You have changed.    I suspected you might try to scam; luckily it was limited to an attack on my reputation.  

[xOrpian]

I am the longest running DT member for a reason - I am trustworthy, I do not lie and I've never tried to extort anyone.   If you offer me unsolicited help and I accept it, and you call it extortion, then you are the one commiting the crime here.  OgNasty did the same thing - ask him how it's working out financially.  

Some people offer 'unsolicited' help and then show it off for some reason (Not specific to the person mentioned).

I've a father and grandfather (GF inherited a lot of money from his father). Then he spends money on people, and tell them how much he does for them, the fact is he'll sell out the people he's spending his money on (Even if they are his family members), given there's a situation arises for that to happen, and his son (my father) learned from him, and it's a habit at this point in his life. (Good people scare me the most, surface pretence level goodness I am talking here)

-I don't know the exact reason for everyone, but it could be an internal instinct, or a need to look good in the eyes of others.

You are not an old timer.  You have changed.

Why did the person use that line for you? - There's a moment of truth to that, people's emotions, feelings, and thinking change with time, except the cycles of the solar system (They are constant... relatively) look at my profile text

I have also had someone use that quote on me—it was a professor. (I was a bright student of hers; sadly, I didn't end up completing that degree; she felt sad. One circle classmate told me I should visit her, I am not using the term 'friend' instead of 'classmate' here; I don't know if something such as 'friend' exists.)

[LoyceV]

I don't know what got into BitcoinGirl.Club, but after this post, I can't help but think the user we thought we knew is gone.

[KWH]

I don't know what got into BitcoinGirl.Club, but after this post, I can't help but think the user we thought we knew is gone.

Being absent for several years and returning, I see many that are not "quite the same". People do change with the times, sometimes not for the better.

[Free Market Capitalist]

I don't know what got into BitcoinGirl.Club, but after this post, I can't help but think the user we thought we knew is gone.

In some jurisdictions that's clearly a hate crime and in the UK there are a few people in jail for less. I am not in favor of the concept as such because so called hate crimes in many cases end up being a way to infringe freedom of speech and imprison the one who does not think like you.

I take this opportunity to thank theymos that in this forum freedom of speech is respected to the fullest.

[apogio]

Sorry for coming to this topic to quote this, but I need to quote it for reference:

VOD, shut your fucking mouth. Gays are stupid, genetically tempered [physically and mentally], I don't hold any conversation with them, it's a waste of anyone's time. Straight forward, remove your BS feedback from my profile trust page [also see a physiatrist, if you don't have medical insurance then drop me the slip, I will pay for the doctor], I will know you are recovering from your illness until then get your arsehole fucked in the gay bar.

I can't believe that pathetic minds like this exist. It's concerning that someone can be so hateful against gay people. The more I read it, the more I try to realise if it was truly written. I don't know what to say... It's dissapointing to say the least.

[EarnOnVictor]

I don't know what got into BitcoinGirl.Club, but after this post, I can't help but think the user we thought we knew is gone.

Being absent for several years and returning, I see many that are not "quite the same". People do change with the times, sometimes not for the better.

Sometimes we call it a change, but it's merely revealing one's true self, it has always been there.

[Obim34]

I don't know what got into BitcoinGirl.Club, but after this post, I can't help but think the user we thought we knew is gone.

Being absent for several years and returning, I see many that are not "quite the same". People do change with the times, sometimes not for the better.

Sometimes we call it a change, but it's merely revealing one's true self, it has always been there.

The route of this dispute might be far more than my existence here, and nothing to get in between, but my concern is clearly about stigmatizing another. In a public forum like this, it's okay to see certain disputes but placing stigma on someone else is quite cruel.

I feel certain that privacy and anonymity have been breached if everyone remains clear about personal details, then there would be nothing to talk about.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

VOD, shut your fucking mouth. Gays are stupid, genetically tempered [physically and mentally], I don't hold any conversation with them, it's a waste of anyone's time. Straight forward, remove your BS feedback from my profile trust page [also see a physiatrist, if you don't have medical insurance then drop me the slip, I will pay for the doctor], I will know you are recovering from your illness until then get your arsehole fucked in the gay bar.

I can see there are hesitations, perhaps misinterpretation surrounding this thing about "Gay/Gays". With "Gay" I meant the people who born as male or female but chose to be homosexual, I also meant those who decided to have gender change surgery and chose to live a life of the opposite gender because they are attracted to same gender. To be clear by calling them stupid, I don't mean to be hateful to them, I just don't like them. They are stupid and chosen a life against the nature. I don't embrace this tempered mentality and the group.

Never ever, I would support and would want any of my girls to change her gender and become a man to have sex with another girl. I would not like any of my girls to be a lesbian and have sex with another girl. I would like my girls to live a normal life with their own man, have children, live a happy life.

That leaves us the other types of people who are third gender (by born not a complete man or not a complete woman). There are no reason for me to insult them, dislike them. In fact, I will help them if they are in need for anything to have a good life, to have social support. They got it by birth unfortunately, it's not their fault.

I hope now I made a clear stand behind my words about "Gay".

You said I could have the last word.  You are a liar, and I am sad. 

Vod, please don't PM me with your twisted thoughts, I did not lie to you, you actually wanted to extort me when you found the chance to get some money from me. So, I did not see any reason to encourage you for the treatment anymore.

You are an extortionist, con man, asking money to remove your neutral feedback [two] and replace them with a positive feedback. You are no good for DT system because you have no idea what warrant a negative feedback, what warrant a positive feedback.



People who have voted you to be in DT, I think they can reconsider their vote.

Being absent for several years and returning

You must have a misunderstanding. I was not active only for a couple of months, not several years. Vod was trying to create this thing of I supposed to be another person, telling me I will exit scam and such provoking speeches.

So I do feel you are another person and given the chance, would trade years of trustworthiness for a profit. 

[apogio]

I can see there are hesitations, perhaps misinterpretation surrounding this thing about "Gay/Gays". With "Gay" I meant the people who born as male or female but chose to be homosexual, I also meant those who decided to have gender change surgery and chose to live a life of the opposite gender because they are attracted to same gender. To be clear by calling them stupid, I don't mean to be hateful to them, I just don't like them. They are stupid and chosen a life against the nature. I don't embrace this tempered mentality and the group.

Never ever, I would support and would want any of my girls to change her gender and become a man to have sex with another girl. I would not like any of my girls to be a lesbian and have sex with another girl. I would like my girls to live a normal life with their own man, have children, live a happy life.

That leaves us the other types of people who are third gender (by born not a complete man or not a complete woman). There are no reason for me to insult them, dislike them. In fact, I will help them if they are in need for anything to have a good life, to have social support. They got it by birth unfortunately, it's not their fault.

I hope now I made a clear stand behind my words about "Gay".

Crystal clear!

If any of your girls dares to love another girl, they won't be supported.
If any of your girls dares to feel sexual urges for another girl, they won't be supported.
If any other person dares to be born a hermaphrodite, they will be automatically disliked and they will need social support for it.

On my ignore list from now on.

Good luck with your life.

[LoyceV]

In some jurisdictions that's clearly a hate crime

I don't really care about "hate crimes". Apart from being subjective, usually all it does is make the person who says it look bad. I'd rather have it out in the open than banning the speech (after which some people will still think it).

I take this opportunity to thank theymos that in this forum freedom of speech is respected to the fullest.

Most other forums would indeed have deleted such posts. I still stand by this:

Bitcointalk offers more freedom than any other forum I know. You can choose to be an asshole or you can be a nice person. It's entirely up to you how you want to come across.

I can't believe that pathetic minds like this exist.

I'm more surprised someone's willing to destroy 9 years of reputation this way.

it's merely revealing one's true self, it has always been there.

Who knows what else is burried down there

To be clear by calling them stupid, I don't mean to be hateful to them

You know that doesn't make sense, right?

Being absent for several years and returning

You must have a misunderstanding. I was not active only for a couple of months, not several years.

KWH was talking about himself here.

[xOrpian]

People who have voted you to be in DT, I think they can reconsider their vote.

Being absent for several years and returning

You must have a misunderstanding. I was not active only for a couple of months, not several years. Vod was trying to create this thing of I supposed to be another person, telling me I will exit scam and such provoking speeches.

So I do feel you are another person and given the chance, would trade years of trustworthiness for a profit. 

All i see is the other person has more green points on their profile, so people trust him 'Vod' more, is this what you're trying to say?, if there's abuse then you should contact those people in private message, do people who trust someone get notification or something when the person they 'Vote' (Trust) is in question?, you should do it asap, the longer it remains the more damage it has on reputation, I can assume.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Crystal clear!

I doubt you are because when you mean

If any of your girls dares to love another girl, they won't be supported.
If any of your girls dares to feel sexual urges for another girl, they won't be supported.

"Love to another girl" you are ignoring that fact that all love are not sexually inspired. There are love for parents, elders, siblings, friends [boy or girl] and there are other kind of love which feels sexual urge with an intention to have sexual relation with another girl. I make sure that am not raising my girls in an environment where they will grow a feeling of the second types of love.

You sounds like I should encourage my girls, tell them "girls it's okay" to feel sexual urges and have sexual relation with another girl or if I had a boy, I should encourage him to have in a relationship with another boy/man. What parent will do that?

When you are physically sick, you check doctor, get treatment and do things to get well. Feeling sexual urges to same gender is nothing but a mental sickness. In the name of freedom of speech if you are in this forum to promote homosexuality then fine, have me in your ignore list. My freedom of speech to write about homosexual disease might hurt your feeling but knowing me in your ignore list is not going to hurt any of my feeling. I even can not remember if we ever had a decent conversation between us and consider you as one of those forum members I have fun with and like to discuss about different things.

If unfortunately I ever find out any of my girls feel such mental sickness I will invest all my resources with love to give them the best treatment so that they can recover and get back to a normal life.

If any other person dares to be born a hermaphrodite, they will be automatically disliked and they will need social support for it.

I did not mean they will be automatically disliked and need social support. You are deliberately trying to pick the lines that support your argument instead of having a zero ground conversation.

We live in such a society where we easily find such people are victim of bully, does not find enough resources to fight against discriminations. There are many examples of such people who were able to position them against all odds. They don't need the social support. But those who fails to fight against the odds, they can have my support, encouragement and help if they want to.

I think this entire topic is going to a different direction. All these talk about sexual things are off-topic. If anyone have interest to continue this off-topic then they should create a topic in the off-topic section and continue the discussion.

To be clear by calling them stupid, I don't mean to be hateful to them

You know that doesn't make sense, right?

You are stupid. Does this mean I have to be hateful to you? No, I don't have to.

All i see is the other person has more green points on their profile, so people trust him 'Vod' more, is this what you're trying to say?, if there's abuse then you should contact those people in private message, do people who trust someone get notification or something when the person they 'Vote' (Trust) is in question?, you should do it asap, the longer it remains the more damage it has on reputation, I can assume.

No, people do not get notification.

Giving out red feedback for speaking out something and assuming there will be an exit scam [not such a stupid ground?] by a user is clearly abuse of current feedback system. By doing that you are sending a message that don't speak your mind or you will be receiving a red tag. When someone is abusing feedback system then it does not warrant your reputation. My years of forum life is not small enough that it will be damaged by some wrong feedback.

Vod is feeling a satisfaction that he is in DT. The people who voted him need to recheck his feedback sent to many others too, not just the recent one left for me. I don't private message people regarding fixing their voting errors. A responsible member will find it himself and fix it whenever they will think it's the right time. There are many politics do take part all over the forum too, don't forget that.

Vod is an extortionist, a con man who was asking money to remove his neutral feedback [previous two of them] and replace them with a positive feedback. Do I go and leave a red tag for him? No. I left neutral for it. A red tag is deserved when there will be a financial scam occurs or there is a hundred percent clear evidence of intention of a scam. For this action [feedback abuse] Vod deserves a ~Vod.

I can't believe that pathetic minds like this exist.

I'm more surprised someone's willing to destroy 9 years of reputation this way.

Are you endorsing the red feedback left by Vod when you are thinking about my reputation?

[KWH]

Being absent for several years and returning

You must have a misunderstanding. I was not active only for a couple of months, not several years.

KWH was talking about himself here.


Correct.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I don't know what got into BitcoinGirl.Club, but after this post, I can't help but think the user we thought we knew is gone.

Umm....yeah, I'm not sure what to think about this whole thing, but you might just be right on that point.  I'm not all the way through with this thread yet, but has anyone dug into BitcoinGirl.Club's post history to check for any gaps, changes in language skills, etc.?  Perhaps I've been inattentive, but I don't recall that member ever being as hostile as this.

Vod, you've got my respect as always but perhaps you might have seen that offer to be an obviously sarcastic one and not responded to it with an actual BTC donation address and then made the statement about changing your feedback.  I know you to be honest and a straight shooter, and I don't believe you were trying to extort BitcoinGirl.Club here, but I probably could've told you that a pissed off member would likely fly off the handle after reading your response.  But hey, you've been railing 'em up the ass for years (the shit-talkers, scammers, and what have you), so don't let your blood pressure get too high over this nonsense, eh?

BTW, are you really the longest-running DT member?  I didn't know that.

You sound stupid because you have no money for your own mental treatment but you are talking about buying [donating me] a Cybertruck. Loser and broke like you can not even afford a regular meal daily I think.

That's just plain disrespectful, and if you're familiar with all of the good work Vod's done over the years you'd realize you're way the fuck out of line.

[xOrpian]

Giving out red feedback for speaking out something and assuming there will be an exit scam [not such a stupid ground?] by a user is clearly abuse of current feedback system. By doing that you are sending a message that don't speak your mind or you will be receiving a red tag. When someone is abusing feedback system then it does not warrant your reputation. My years of forum life is not small enough that it will be damaged by some wrong feedback.

Vod is feeling a satisfaction that he is in DT. The people who voted him need to recheck his feedback sent to many others too, not just the recent one left for me. I don't private message people regarding fixing their voting errors. A responsible member will find it himself and fix it whenever they will think it's the right time. There are many politics do take part all over the forum too, don't forget that.

Vod is an extortionist, a con man who was asking money to remove his neutral feedback [previous two of them] and replace them with a positive feedback. Do I go and leave a red tag for him? No. I left neutral for it. A red tag is deserved when there will be a financial scam occurs or there is a hundred percent clear evidence of intention of a scam. For this action [feedback abuse] Vod deserves a ~Vod.

I see, If I want to become a prominent member of this forum, and have a popular profile, what are the pitfalls I should avoid? I don't enjoy politics, so I won't be participating in it.
Drama sometimes interests me, but not that much, too recently... I stopped playing that game, but realized without a push something rarely happens...

Anyway, I went through the topic you both argued about.
It started with some 'mental' quotes...
Then more users took part, and it escalated... Nazi, homo, gai, my girls, doctor... certainly a lot of drama... I don't want to troll here, but I would've written something good.

Straight forward, remove your BS feedback from my profile trust page [also see a physiatrist, if you don't have medical insurance then drop me the slip, I will pay for the doctor], I will know you are recovering from your illness until then get your arsehole fucked in the gay bar.

Thank you - Canada does not cover psychiatry - you can send help to bc1q6svvgs3pk4z7xcmacz9g22sg7r3juxf82y0j5p

I don't go to gay bars, but I can tell you when I am recovering.   Also, such a gesture would prove you are not planning an exit scam, so of course I would remove invalid feedback from your profile.  

If you look past disrespect going on here, then you did mention 'Paying for his bills'

I don't go to gay bars, but I can tell you when I am recovering.   Also, such a gesture would prove you are not planning an exit scam, so of course I would remove invalid feedback from your profile.  

Vod you are indirectly asking me to bribe you to remove the  feedback you left on my profile.
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You offered the money above, he accepted, and said he'll inform you after the visit.

You should've done it if you said you'll pay for it.
His visiting the doctor, or not, is another matter, but he would've told you after accepting money (Since you were paying for it, and he mentioned he'll keep you informed).

It started with an insult, and emotions got the best of you. You can still send him money; it's around $150$ an Hour. So, if he's serious about the feedback, then send money for a few sessions and demand the report. Make sure to tell him to get the whole session recorded (Obviously, he'll blur out the faces)—offer more money for this.

By doing the above you'll stand with what you said/offered, after offering that, expect a report, surely it'll be fun -If you can pay for that, and 'Vod' is still ready to accept the money, since you already accused him of Bribe for receiving the money you offered... There's a lot of noise, had to read between the lines, and it seems you can't win mentally against 'Vod' - You made mistakes, then got yourself trapped, offering the money for treatment is an easy way out, even if it's a few sessions, or just one. 150, or155$ (You will need an hour one obviously for effective diagnose) it will cost you for this tag removal, and no one's wrong here (Unless you meant it as a joke, which again is trolling, obviously you cannot keep throwing rocks at someone, and not expect a reaction, everyone makes mistakes, or is it common to troll people in this reputation board, and it's a norm)?

- If you admit it as a mistake, then it can be taken against you in the future/ or it can be forgiven and looked past; people want control over others, I've seen it happening many times (My toxic family is a good example of it, I did took psychiactic treatment for insomnia, of not being able to focus, when past events keep coming to your mind and still have migrains to the point death seems easy way out, and when you start talking about 'your attempts casually with random people in online video games', then you know how fucked up it is, anyway I don't have much time left either way), It's better if you both resolve it through private message, unless there's no going back... I won't be a good judge of that situation, so I won't comment.

[Vod]

Indeed, extortion and leaving unwarranted negative trust is the MO of some people here. I’ve still never been given an apology for the lies told about me or the extortion attempt which is not only clear and documented, but a further example of the lies this user tells.

Just like the wackjob bitcoingirl.club, you offered help after your game caused me permanent physical damage.   And you/Theymos never apologized for lying about imaginary PMs either.  :/

Why don't you post one of the PMs you have where you say I claim to be a pedo?   Show that one, bozo.  

[xOrpian]

It's better if you both resolve it through private message, unless there's no going back... I won't be a good judge of that situation, so I won't comment.

You just made it hard for the user 'Bitcoingirlclub'

Indeed, extortion and leaving unwarranted negative trust is the MO of some people here. I’ve still never been given an apology for the lies told about me or the extortion attempt which is not only clear and documented, but a further example of the lies this user tells.

Just like the wackjob bitcoingirl.club

...Reasonable to think, you wouldn't want it to be an easy way out for the user, after those delegatory terms were thrown

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I see, If I want to become a prominent member of this forum, and have a popular profile, what are the pitfalls I should avoid? I don't enjoy politics, so I won't be participating in it.
Drama sometimes interests me, but not that much, too recently... I stopped playing that game, but realized without a push something rarely happens...

I don't consider myself a prominent figure here, though I've been a fixture here for longer than I ever thought I'd be, and I'll be honest:  I came strictly for the drama when I registered and generally made a spectacle out of myself.  So you could go that route and see how it turns out for you, but I think I just got lucky; I was a huge bitcoin skeptic upon said registration and spectacle-making but after a few months I was converted to a bitcoin believer (albeit a pretty ignorant one, which sadly I remain to this day).

But all that BS aside, if you want to avoid pitfalls the very least you have to do is be honest; don't scam or get caught in a lie and don't get red-tagged by a DT member for whatever reason.  And write posts that have some thought put into them such that they don't read like 99% of the crap that gets shat out in the name of signature campaigns.

How did I know OgNasty would come a-runnin' to this thread?  Well I'm going to take a big step back now, put on my sunglasses and butter up the popcorn whilst sitting on my living room lawn chair.  I haven't seen a thread this hot in a while.

[Vod]

How did I know OgNasty would come a-runnin' to this thread? 

He snuck back onto DT1 and thinks his shit don't stink?