How will casinos face, Fake AI KYC's verification?

[lovesmayfamilis]

I have also seen a lot of news that in different places AI was able to pass document verification. Now, documents made by AI are becoming so lifelike that many sites are letting fake documents go through for fictitious people who do not exist at all. I think that what is happening is that casinos can periodically let through such documents, but this is temporary. If we have previously read that someone could bypass casinos using their bonus systems, but subsequently the casino prevented this completely, then cheating with AI documents will also soon be unavailable to cheaters.

[Russlenat]

I think that what is happening is that casinos can periodically let through such documents, but this is temporary. If we have previously read that someone could bypass casinos using their bonus systems, but subsequently the casino prevented this completely, then cheating with AI documents will also soon be unavailable to cheaters.

So the casinos just let them pass but withhold their bonuses later, what a clever move by the casino. At first glance, it might seem like we’ve outsmarted them by submitting AI-generated documents. But what we don’t realize is how risky this is for us. Imagine finally winning big money, only for the casino to suspend our account, accusing us of using fake IDs. That would be a huge regret!

[Distinctin]

I don't think we need to discuss such matters because we are not running any casino business. But I believe they know how to detect AI or fake identity, as they know the situation. Of course, they won't tell how, but surely they run some tests to verify if their player is a human vs. a robot.

Based on my experience, some casinos ask for face identification, which I think is difficult to fake. There are many tests that they are going to run, which is why it takes mostly 24 hours for the process.

[michellee]

Probably the casino will contact their members by video call so they can see the real face of their members. But I am not sure of this but maybe the casino will do other things to verify their members.

I think Face recognition can solve these problems like what the exchanges did. KYC verification is for knowing their customers so casinos will know if their members are not related to illegal activities or crimes.

But this question should be asked to the casino because we as users will not know what they will do. We could make many assumptions about what casinos do but we don't know the real things about that.

[lovesmayfamilis]

I think that what is happening is that casinos can periodically let through such documents, but this is temporary. If we have previously read that someone could bypass casinos using their bonus systems, but subsequently the casino prevented this completely, then cheating with AI documents will also soon be unavailable to cheaters.

So the casinos just let them pass but withhold their bonuses later, what a clever move by the casino. At first glance, it might seem like we’ve outsmarted them by submitting AI-generated documents. But what we don’t realize is how risky this is for us. Imagine finally winning big money, only for the casino to suspend our account, accusing us of using fake IDs. That would be a huge regret!

True, I hadn't thought of that. We may think that we are keeping up with technology by using AI, but we must understand that we are not alone. Casinos, as it seems and is tempting to think, can always expect various kinds of fraud, and you rightly said that for such a "joke" with the substitution of documents, clients can pay, and very expensively, as it will seem to them later.

[viljy]

Firstly, I am sorry if this kinds of discussion already discussed here , but I try to find casino kyc with ai related discussion but couldn't found.

Ok, let me enter the main point.
We all know that Artificial Intelligence has become very powerful nowadays and just as it is being used for good purposes, abusers are also in the ground to abuse it. This abuser has already started committing KYC verification fraud through AI.
Many may say that the Liveness Detection option will be able to detect them, but in this case too I saw that they are skipping it by using Face Injection Attacks and also the others methods.

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license? 

This problem is already unsolvable, at least for now... Having forged high-quality documents and an AI that generates a high-quality deepfake, it is possible to deceive a casino that does not have access to government registers, i.e. it is almost any online casino.

Those who are interested in the topic of generative video are, of course, aware of serious progress in this area. Even the Github is full of open projects that generate deepfakes, which can now not only tilt and turn their heads as they wish without loss of quality, but also get up and walk around the room from which the broadcast is supposedly being conducted. So soon, only a face-to-face meeting in reality will become a reliable identification...

[madnessteat]

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Absolutely agree with you. With the improvement in technology, attackers are getting more and more tools for their illegal activities. I am sure that if an attacker wants to, he can register with fake documents and pass KYC on any online platform that does not require personal presence. The complexity of the process depends only on the cost of the tools the attacker will use.

[Solosanz]

Usually the casinos ask to send ID card, selfie and selfie with ID card.

For now, I think AI still can't produce hyper realistic face and ID card, there's a lack of detail, although in overall it's already looks good.

If AI was too good, it's the time for casinos to ask video verification, faking a video is harder than picture.

If AI was too good then, the casinos can ask live video verification, faking a video is hard, but fake the real time video is very very hard without make any mistake. Just like filter on Instagram or Tiktok, there's a mili second you can see the real face of the person.

[Obim34]

It may happen, but it will be on several attempts before getting the pass, not to say it is finished from there, because casinos are always checking through their system to find out those who practice fraudulent or unlawful activity, a day will come when the verification will be brought up for clearer scrutiny, most importantly if that account happens to win big from the casino and places withdraw.

It is best to avoid what you can't get away with, there are casinos who don't request for verification, why not use them to gamble instead of faking documents and using non existing informations just to get access, whereby many options gives privilege's of no facial verification needed.

[Sanitough]

Usually the casinos ask to send ID card, selfie and selfie with ID card.

For now, I think AI still can't produce hyper realistic face and ID card, there's a lack of detail, although in overall it's already looks good.

That process makes AI ineffective, so it’s impossible to use AI-generated documents to pass KYC verification, unless a casino doesn’t require a live selfie. Maybe, some might slip through, but casinos are definitely aware of these tricks. Soon, this method won’t work anymore. And worst-case scenario? They might even re-check already approved accounts for potential fraud during verification.

[Maslate]

It is best to avoid what you can't get away with, there are casinos who don't request for verification, why not use them to gamble instead of faking documents and using non existing informations just to get access, whereby many options gives privilege's of no facial verification needed.

Are There Still Legit Casinos That Don’t Require KYC?

I believe that once a casino is regulated, it will automatically enforce KYC procedures. Some may not require it immediately, but eventually, they will, especially if your withdrawals exceed their threshold. So, you should always be prepared to verify your account to avoid losing your winnings.

That said, using fake documents or AI-generated IDs to bypass verification is not only risky but also illegal. Some players try to use other people’s identities  with consent, and I think its better than faking the documents.

[Roseline492]

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license?  

This is another good discussion I would like to learn how Casinos should do on this regards because is as if as days goes that's how AI is improving the quality at which you could hardly differentiate something or AI design format from the original one, so I'm wondering how this should be tackled by the Casinos so anybody would not just use AI as an ID to pass the kyc, however if all the Casinos would only accept an ID card with tracking record will be an intelligent way to resolve this because each country has their own National ID card with ID number so they will check the number to see that it matches with the presented one before validation. Meanwhile even in online AI has been use to impersonate a lot of people both the influencers if not that people believes that such people are not capable of doing what they posted them of.

[leonair]

Ai is Ai, No matter how subtle it is that something is generated, if you focus on it well, it can be identified. And by checking Kyc documents done in all companies, they develop themselves in the same way and they also have Ai to check documents. And Ai can understand other Ai technologies with its own intelligence. Still, sometimes some fake documents are accepted. However, if there are a lot of transactions in those accounts, when they are audited, if they seem suspicious, they are asked to do Re-kyc and then those accounts are restricted. You cannot survive for long by doing corruption.

[qwertyup23]

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Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license? 

It is incumbent upon the gambling establishment to create methods to prevent any circumvention of this important requisite of fake IDs or even AI-generated images. I am sure that with the capital that these gambling establishments have, they can procure technologies in order to detect whether this kind of picture or even movement is AI-generated or not.

Like what others pointed out as well, an AI-generated image would look mostly artificial to the point of actually seeing the difference if you could carefully observe it. Probably the gambling casino can add another verification of requiring you to add your government ID or any kind of verification in order to eliminate the AI-related problem.

[kotajikikox]

At first glance, it might seem like we’ve outsmarted them by submitting AI-generated documents. But what we don’t realize is how risky this is for us.

I know that everyone thinks that AI is the best tool to ever be created but actually AI is not yet that perfect and it is still very noticeable which ones are made by AI and not because there are details that AI get wrong.

Imagine finally winning big money, only for the casino to suspend our account, accusing us of using fake IDs. That would be a huge regret!

This is not just violating the casino's rules but this is a crime under the law and with a registered casino, they will surely report you and you could face serious consequences. If you present fake documents that could be altering of official documents or identity theft.

[Agbamoni]

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license? 

I do doubt that they don't have access to the national database of most countries, but if they are regulated, they should have access to that data. But then again, even with access to the national database, there is still no complete guarantee that there won't be some kind of impersonators passing KYC.

The thing is just that the more the AI gets advanced for it to be used to pass KYC without detection, that's how the casino will also level up their game to differentiate AI verification from human verification. Just like we already have existing tools detecting both AI text and even the humanised one, which could have been difficult to detect, is being detected.

It is not as easy as you think it is well not for the casino because they have the money to spend for whatever information to ensure the KYC is verified properly. There is requirement for getting users data information in every country. It will be a lot easier if the casino is homebased casino and the user's data they are getting is from the same locality as the casino. To get user data from other country you need to pay some fee. I don't know how much it cost to get access to the data in another country, but it is not something that is difficult for them to pay.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

Firstly, I am sorry if this kinds of discussion already discussed here , but I try to find casino kyc with ai related discussion but couldn't found.

Ok, let me enter the main point.
We all know that Artificial Intelligence has become very powerful nowadays and just as it is being used for good purposes, abusers are also in the ground to abuse it. This abuser has already started committing KYC verification fraud through AI.
Many may say that the Liveness Detection option will be able to detect them, but in this case too I saw that they are skipping it by using Face Injection Attacks and also the others methods.

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license? 

Well, first and foremost, we have to agree that some casinos really don't care about kyc and don't care how ever means the user uses to pass the verification as long as the user provided all the required or requested documents and passed the liveness check without any issues, they just want to comply with their regulatory laws and that's all.

But for the casinos who or that are really very serious about kyc and want to ensure that the data their users submit for kyc verification are genuine and not Ai generated, I believe they must have some system in place which can easily help to detect when the user is using fake ID and Ai generated images or videos to try to pass kyc verification.

And about obtaining the  data or database of a country's ID system, this will be a very long process and I even doubt if casinos are allowed by law to even be in possession of such data, since a scam casino could use it for malicious activity.

[Crypto Library]

This won’t only affect casinos and the more the effect will be the more serious the issue will be taken and I’m sure that a solution will emerge eventually.

If no other solution is found then gambling sites will have no other choice but to turn to the government for access to the ID information, that way fake IDs will be easily detected and rejected instantly but for now I think the casino KYC system is only working for those who are yet to come in contact with this realistic ai generator

In my opinion, these issues are very serious because we have seen various anti-money laundering laws and terms and conditions being implemented to prevent money laundering. But in the end, if kyc verification is not really useful or casinos do not have much transparency in it, then what is the purpose of kyc verification?

Although I have not read any fake KYC verification at any casino yet, but I remember when I embarked on my journey into crypto, I did not have a National ID card and for this I had to create a fake NID with the help of a website and then submit it, even though it was a crypto exchanger and they automatically made me a successfully KYC verified user. So these assumption are not really totally false but I think there will have solution soon as well we saw some initiative against AI vs AI

[danherbias07]

Let's say they can really fake the identification of the users. Still, there are other verifications that can be done to avoid these things. One online casino that I am using is asking for a selfie while holding the identification used for the KYC, and that's one heck of a security measure that cannot be faked.

Still, I do believe that online casinos are not just doing KYC for the purpose of license, but they are also doing this following the Anti-Money Laundering Act. As much as possible, they want to avoid issues that would close down their businesses if not done right.

[Davidvictorson]

This abuser has already started committing KYC verification fraud through AI.

I am picking this out to tell you that there are already AI systems to detect KYC verification frauds using AI.

This article I read, I will highlight how AI makes a difference for KYC verification:

• Enhanced accuracy in identity verification
• Efficient risk assessment
• Automated monitoring and alerts
• Reducing false positives

You can watch how this works on YouTube. There is no need to even bother yourself about this happening.