How will casinos face, Fake AI KYC's verification?

[Ultegra134]

Scammers buy IDs from the darkweb and use it to pass identification checks. They also use deepfake to bypass facial recognition test. So maybe gamblers from restricted countries also do this to pass verification process on casino. But I find it weird that a gambler could go through this just to play on a casino. IMO, it's not worth it. If the country is banned, it's best to look for another casino where he's allowed to gamble.

I'm sorry but why does someone go through such trouble to signup on a casino and bypass or more accurately, cheat the KYC system? Is it that easy to acquire a fake ID, because I have some doubts. Do people actually go to such extreme lengths to avoid KYC, and how are they profiting from doing so? Do you think AI is going to be an issue for casinos? Although the technology has massively improved over the past few months, are they that accessible for the average user?

Although I understand that these are legitimate concerns, do you actually believe it's that simply to cheat a casino provider with fake credentials?

[Saint-loup]

Firstly, I am sorry if this kinds of discussion already discussed here , but I try to find casino kyc with ai related discussion but couldn't found.

Ok, let me enter the main point.
We all know that Artificial Intelligence has become very powerful nowadays and just as it is being used for good purposes, abusers are also in the ground to abuse it. This abuser has already started committing KYC verification fraud through AI.
Many may say that the Liveness Detection option will be able to detect them, but in this case too I saw that they are skipping it by using Face Injection Attacks and also the others methods.

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license?  

IMO it's a bit naive to think it's for their license, because most crypto casinos are not incorporated in OECD countries but in off-shore ones known to be tax and regulatory havens. Almost all of them don't require any KYC to register an account and make deposits. It's only when they suspect some farming attempts through multi-accounting, or when a bettor is skilled enough to keep a positive PNL (or a negative individual Gross Gaming Revenue) in the long run and eventually when they detect funds coming from black listed entities, they ask it.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Many may say that the Liveness Detection option will be able to detect them, but in this case too I saw that they are skipping it by using Face Injection Attacks and also the others methods.

I don't really know alot about Face injection Attacks like you said, but if it's done with the aid of modern AIs, I believe you. There's typically a lot of shit out there than the real benefits of AI -- at least for now.

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country.

Who told you so? Unless it's a Non-kyc casino, you're certainly going to be asked to provide a valid National ID and when I say 'valid', it's nothing less of it. Some part of the informations that you provided isn't accurate, so how do you make up a statement to suit your post?

So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license? 

Does it make any sense to you? The carucao charges so much for a license but proper verifications are not ensured?

[PX-Z]

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license? 

KYC verification is likely to become more stringent in the near future, possibly even later this year, as KYC provider services continue to evolve. I’ve already seen some local exchanges implementing video verification, where users are required to hold their ID while speaking to a CS who asks them questions and some do things like moving head and hand, etc. This is a step up from the usual process of simply uploading ID images or a selfie with the ID, and it seems like a trend that could become more widespread soon.

[Taskford]

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license? 

KYC verification is likely to become more stringent in the near future, possibly even later this year, as KYC provider services continue to evolve. I’ve already seen some local exchanges implementing video verification, where users are required to hold their ID while speaking to a CS who asks them questions and some do things like moving head and hand, etc. This is a step up from the usual process of simply uploading ID images or a selfie with the ID, and it seems like a trend that could become more widespread soon.

For sure this will be the upcoming implementation will be made by the casino since for sure that they are aware about AI existence and provably some frauds using it for this intentions. But we can't deny that there are people don't like to do it since they are concern about their personal security. But this will be some changes that people need to prepare especially if they want to gamble in some legitimate casinos.

For now what I see or experience that casino asked for ID documentation plus selfie that you are holding your ID. Never encounter that you need to create a video but I'm open and don't have any problem if my favorite casino asked this.

[PX-Z]

.. But we can't deny that there are people don't like to do it since they are concern about their personal security. But this will be some changes that people need to prepare especially if they want to gamble in some legitimate casinos.

It is, it really is a pain dealing with so many KYC requirements, but over time, it’s becoming the norm, especially with the rise in identity theft, data breaches, and other online security threats as well as AI as we discuss. Stricter KYC procedures are being enforced for good reason.

Never encounter that you need to create a video but I'm open and don't have any problem if my favorite casino asked this.

It's not actually just  a mere creating video but a live video call KYC verification, where you will need to schedule the call and do things as they speak live on call

[Jating]

.. But we can't deny that there are people don't like to do it since they are concern about their personal security. But this will be some changes that people need to prepare especially if they want to gamble in some legitimate casinos.

It is, it really is a pain dealing with so many KYC requirements, but over time, it’s becoming the norm, especially with the rise in identity theft, data breaches, and other online security threats as well as AI as we discuss. Stricter KYC procedures are being enforced for good reason.

Never encounter that you need to create a video but I'm open and don't have any problem if my favorite casino asked this.

It's not actually just  a mere creating video but a live video call KYC verification, where you will need to schedule the call and do things as they speak live on call

I think that's one thing as well, do a live call and talk to the person itself. Perhaps this might be too extremes for others to go thru, specially people that are not comfortable talking to let's say a different person from the other part of the globe.

But for me this is the best thing to combat this AI, because even if they show their face in a live interview, it could also be AI so you really have to talk to them. Although there is cases that even AI was able to get away from this kind of live meetings.

[Cantsay]

Wow, this is the first time I’m hearing something like this - I can still remember a crypto exchange that requested for me to complete my kyc verification and I was unable to provide the required documents and the other ones I brought were rejected by them saying that it was not among those that they accept.

If an exchange can be easily bypassed that way then I don’t think I’ll ever make use of such an exchange because they might not have enough resources to keep user’s funds safe if they couldn’t even protect their system from fake documents.

Have you heard the p2pb2p exchanger? yeas I was able to do the kyc here with out the real information of mine . Maybe you could say this is one of the dump exchange, and yes it is  I won't disagree.

I have heard of the site and I think I had an account there but never used it before because I only went there to just check after someone mentioned it in their thread.

But currently I won't gonna suggest to anyone to do this because even you got able to bypass the kyc verification with fake data but may be you can also be in trap on the future like fridges funds.

If I ever use this type of documents for verification (fake documents) it would mean that I only just want to use the site for a single use and not for continuous use because if you keep using it and then they ask you to reverify your account you’d be in trouble because you might not be able to do it again which might lead to you losing your money.

[bettercrypto]

Firstly, I am sorry if this kinds of discussion already discussed here , but I try to find casino kyc with ai related discussion but couldn't found.

Ok, let me enter the main point.
We all know that Artificial Intelligence has become very powerful nowadays and just as it is being used for good purposes, abusers are also in the ground to abuse it. This abuser has already started committing KYC verification fraud through AI.
Many may say that the Liveness Detection option will be able to detect them, but in this case too I saw that they are skipping it by using Face Injection Attacks and also the others methods.

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license? 

I don't exactly get your point op, but regulated casinos are really strict with kyc. Then if you use AI tech just for kyc, it can be easily detected, honestly, just from my knowledge of this matter. Because I've seen a lot of these scenarios if I'm not mistaken.

Because right now, what I know is that the way for kyc in casinos is to hold their ID with their face live not on the screenshot,
or there are others asking for valid ID only.

[Pi-network314159]

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license? 

I have not come across this fake AI kyc, probably here is the first place I am coming across this AI KYC. But I agree with you that casinos does kyc without national identity card, but if you ask me if casino will fight with this new method of AI, that I can't tell. But I believe somehow that the casino will device a means to to sort this out. One thing about casino is that they don't worry much about KYC wether you use your real identity or using a tool to do it for you . All what they need is for you to get down the fucking app and fund your acc and start betting right away. They can only do what they want with a gambler when they discovered that such person is cheating expecially having multiple acc.

[Slow death]

I believe it is very easy to take someone's ID and compare it with many photos of IDs from the country where that person says they were born and determine if the ID is fake or real. Casinos and even exchanges have done a good job when it comes to KYC, I think they are constantly improving their KYC verification technology and the person who provides fake IDs is wasting their time. There is no point in doing this.

[Crypto Library]

I have heard of the site and I think I had an account there but never used it before because I only went there to just check after someone mentioned it in their thread.

I opened an account on this site a long time ago, probably to sell tokens from airdrops.
And my experience was really bad In other words, at that time, the trading volume was very low even for their top level coins, so orders to sell or purchase were not easily confirmed. and that's why maybe this exchanger easily approved the fake kyc also.

If I ever use this type of documents for verification (fake documents) it would mean that I only just want to use the site for a single use and not for continuous use because if you keep using it and then they ask you to reverify your account you’d be in trouble because you might not be able to do it again which might lead to you losing your money.

Nothing will have strong based on fake information. And I had to do it last time because I had no other option but that path. However, if anyone wants to do this kind of work now, I have already told them to be careful and not to suggest anyone now. And if the funds are high, then there is a high possibility of the account being frozen.

[passwordnow]

I believe it is very easy to take someone's ID and compare it with many photos of IDs from the country where that person says they were born and determine if the ID is fake or real.

And they can figure it out from simply asking anyone or a representative of theirs from that country to verify it. Although some good looking editors can almost perfect it but, in the long run these fake identities are going to be exposed.

Casinos and even exchanges have done a good job when it comes to KYC, I think they are constantly improving their KYC verification technology and the person who provides fake IDs is wasting their time. There is no point in doing this.

Not just wasting their time but if they're availing these IDs from somewhere else, they're also wasting their money and resources for it. And there is no sense to use others identity just for it. They have to make it sure that they're the ones who gets verified because if they decided to gamble, deposit and withdraw huge amount of money and they're asked for it, that's the end for them if it's not theirs and the verification doesn't go because of suspicion.

[suzanne5223]

Yes, of course, there's no innovative technology that's introduced that online thieves won't use for their selfish benefits. But when AI was on the verge of going mainstream, a lot of authority came into the picture and filed for the regulation of AI to avoid future disaster.
The major outcome of the regulation filed by the authority is not known to the public. Still, if you notice the AI service, you'll see that some concept was deliberately added to the result provided by the AI, which is used by the AI expert and detection engine to know the contents and services created by AI.

You are right that this is how technologies are being used today. But the problem is that each one has different variations. For example, if you don't know about QuillBot, I can say that it can paraphrase text content created by artificial intelligence and turn it into human-generated text content.
What I actually want to explain with my topic is that there are currently many casinos that are only asking for show kyc. In fact, if they have this type of KYC verification, then there is basically no need to implement this system.

Ok. I researched QuillBot, and I like the concept of it.
Having said that, I believe any crypto casino that doesn't detect AI-generated ID is not worth using as a gambling platform because the security of their user safety in terms of funds and private information provided for KYC is not guarantee and it is better to leave such platform to avoid future issue which will involve the authority.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Yes, of course, there's no innovative technology that's introduced that online thieves won't use for their selfish benefits. But when AI was on the verge of going mainstream, a lot of authority came into the picture and filed for the regulation of AI to avoid future disaster.
The major outcome of the regulation filed by the authority is not known to the public. Still, if you notice the AI service, you'll see that some concept was deliberately added to the result provided by the AI, which is used by the AI expert and detection engine to know the contents and services created by AI.

You are right that this is how technologies are being used today. But the problem is that each one has different variations. For example, if you don't know about QuillBot, I can say that it can paraphrase text content created by artificial intelligence and turn it into human-generated text content.
What I actually want to explain with my topic is that there are currently many casinos that are only asking for show kyc. In fact, if they have this type of KYC verification, then there is basically no need to implement this system.

Ok. I researched QuillBot, and I like the concept of it.
Having said that, I believe any crypto casino that doesn't detect AI-generated ID is not worth using as a gambling platform because the security of their user safety in terms of funds and private information provided for KYC is not guarantee and it is better to leave such platform to avoid future issue which will involve the authority.

But is there such casinos that will admit that they can't detect AI-generated ID's? I do not think that there is such business that will readily admit to their fault? It's a big business, billions are flowing in this niche and I believed that sooner or later there will be another services that will offer to this casinos on how to detect AI generated ID's and more.

That's how business involved, and perhaps this companies are already testing their software and could be released for casinos but for sure this is going to be a very expensive but casinos doesn't have any choice for now.

[|MINER|]

Ok. I researched QuillBot, and I like the concept of it.

I also like there concept but I think currently many people are misusing their concept. For example, starting from writing articles to posting on this forum, many people use these tools and it is actually an extreme level of laziness. Although this is of course outside my topic, some platforms are currently offering KYC verification services using artificial intelligence. I can't remember exactly, probably between $15 and $30, they are generating fake information for KYC verification.

Having said that, I believe any crypto casino that doesn't detect AI-generated ID is not worth using as a gambling platform because the security of their user safety in terms of funds and private information provided for KYC is not guarantee and it is better to leave such platform to avoid future issue which will involve the authority.

I also hope that, in addition to the misuse of artificial intelligence, casinos will add more transparency and security to their KYC verification systems, which will actually make KYC verification worthable.

[Hispo]

I believe it is very easy to take someone's ID and compare it with many photos of IDs from the country where that person says they were born and determine if the ID is fake or real. Casinos and even exchanges have done a good job when it comes to KYC, I think they are constantly improving their KYC verification technology and the person who provides fake IDs is wasting their time. There is no point in doing this.

Though, OP is doing emphasis on how artificial intelligence could be a game changer when comes to security and threats of identity theft on the internet, there are already AI which are used to fake the voice and the image of people (usually it is done with the intention to scam families of the victims of identity theft).
I believe we will reach a time casinos and exchanges will demand people to scan their passports with NFC tecnolgy in order to continue to use their services in the future, it is only relatively easy solution I see to identity theft, specially because now most smartphones have biometric sensors, which do a good synergy with scanning ones Biometric passport with one's NFC phone.

[AmoreJaz]

I believe it is very easy to take someone's ID and compare it with many photos of IDs from the country where that person says they were born and determine if the ID is fake or real. Casinos and even exchanges have done a good job when it comes to KYC, I think they are constantly improving their KYC verification technology and the person who provides fake IDs is wasting their time. There is no point in doing this.

Though, OP is doing emphasis on how artificial intelligence could be a game changer when comes to security and threats of identity theft on the internet, there are already AI which are used to fake the voice and the image of people (usually it is done with the intention to scam families of the victims of identity theft).
I believe we will reach a time casinos and exchanges will demand people to scan their passports with NFC tecnolgy in order to continue to use their services in the future, it is only relatively easy solution I see to identity theft, specially because now most smartphones have biometric sensors, which do a good synergy with scanning ones Biometric passport with one's NFC phone.

Technological advancements will dictate on how we will go over this kind of requirement later on. But surely, casinos will update on how they conduct their kyc requirements. Else, AI and other tools can easily surpass their KYC requirements. This is why, there's always a need to uprade their security protocols as well as their terms according to what is the current technology. Otherwise, you will be left behind or you will find out that your about to lose your business because of these developments.

[rodskee]

Scammers buy IDs from the darkweb and use it to pass identification checks. They also use deepfake to bypass facial recognition test. So maybe gamblers from restricted countries also do this to pass verification process on casino. But I find it weird that a gambler could go through this just to play on a casino. IMO, it's not worth it. If the country is banned, it's best to look for another casino where he's allowed to gamble.

I'm sorry but why does someone go through such trouble to signup on a casino and bypass or more accurately, cheat the KYC system? Is it that easy to acquire a fake ID, because I have some doubts.

yes if you have enough money you can acquire fake ids really easily and it’s not just used in casinos but it’s also used to buy things only adults can or go into bars or clubs but it’s not only minors using these fake ids as adults will often use other people’s identities as well

Do people actually go to such extreme lengths to avoid KYC, and how are they profiting from doing so?

maybe they had an account before and got banned and now wants another account and so they need a new identity to maybe commit some money laundering scheme or to sell the account for people wishing to take advantage of casinos

[tread93]

Firstly, I am sorry if this kinds of discussion already discussed here , but I try to find casino kyc with ai related discussion but couldn't found.

Ok, let me enter the main point.
We all know that Artificial Intelligence has become very powerful nowadays and just as it is being used for good purposes, abusers are also in the ground to abuse it. This abuser has already started committing KYC verification fraud through AI.
Many may say that the Liveness Detection option will be able to detect them, but in this case too I saw that they are skipping it by using Face Injection Attacks and also the others methods.

Now, where I have doubts is that casino sites make kyc verification successful without getting access to the data of the national id of any country. How will they fight or are they fighting with these new methods of AI? So is casino KYC verification currently just for show purposes to get the license? 

Regardless of KYC verification for regulatory purposes that is one thing, if the casinos use KYC AI to verify everything then you have to assume there may be errors along the line or something would screw up and it would need tweaks. We will see what regulators say about KYC and AML through AI platforms I've not read anything on this subject yet but now I will keep an eye out. Also, apart  from KYC and AML and AI these same AIs are being used to try and steal crypto its what hackers love to do so focus on your security if hackers can gain access to your funds through some application on your phone and hijack your MFA or SSO verification and get access into your account then you might be screwed and lose your funds.