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April 21, 2025, 01:10:30 PM
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First of all, I want to highlight that I really value the work done by all the moderators of this forum. Moderating a community of this size is not easy. I have been a moderator on several forums, some quite large, and I know that this is not an easy task. What I suggest is that the way service topics are read be reflected in the moderation approach, in relation to posts by the OP or person responsible for the service. This reflection comes after an event that surprised me.

A few hours ago, I received 3 messages saying that my posts were deleted in the TalkImg thread. As you can imagine, I was a bit panicked just by seeing the title of the notification emails. What happened was a moderator (it doesn't matter who it was - this is a reflection, not an accusation) decided to group together a set of posts that I had made in 2023.

The task itself is not bad, but it can harm the work on the topic structure, the sequence of events or something like that. After a more careful analysis, this is what ended up happening.

It was decided to combine 4 posts into one, which follow in chronological order:
https://beta.ninjastic.space/post/63124932
https://beta.ninjastic.space/post/63126527
https://beta.ninjastic.space/post/63154010
https://beta.ninjastic.space/post/63159303

A post was a response to a user. Another post was dedicated to the month's statistics. Two posts referred to the announcement of maintenance periods.

As will be logical, an OP of a service topic cannot wait for someone to make a post before he can make posts about service updates. I can't help but respond to a post because I think I'll make a post hours later. I can't help but give information about the service, just because no one else has written a post since the last one.

Furthermore, it is not appropriate to edit posts, because a lot of the information is relevant and serves to inform other users. Some of them receive notifications and it is useful to make new posts, with relevant topics.

The most unpleasant thing, which led me to open this topic, was the fact that one of the deleted posts (merged with another) was the statistics post, which will impact the link in the official topic. (This link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5450546.msg63126527#msg63126527 - regarding statistics [Oct'23].) Link that is not only in the official OP, but can also be in some translation topics.

In addition to having to change the link in the OP, these statistics will be mixed in with other posts that have nothing to do with the subject, nor with the organization of the topic.

Therefore, I suggest special care when dealing with topics (ANN) related to services. Because a change may require additional extra work without any need. An OP cannot depend on third party posts to make new posts, and be afraid that later these posts will all be together, when in this case it makes no sense at all. Of course, the idea of ​​this post is just to draw attention to the topic or make it move up the page (which was not the case), it makes sense to bring all these posts together.

This is a reflection, once again I emphasize that this is not to accuse the work of the moderators. Just to reflect and improve!


 
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April 21, 2025, 01:44:50 PM
Last edit: May 06, 2025, 12:02:37 AM by mprep
Merited by vapourminer (1), JayJuanGee (1)
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IIRC I was the one who merged the posts (currently going through a large backlog).

As will be logical, an OP of a service topic cannot wait for someone to make a post before he can make posts about service updates. I can't help but respond to a post because I think I'll make a post hours later. I can't help but give information about the service, just because no one else has written a post since the last one.
If there are 24h+ gaps between posts, it's fine to post them consecutively as they become bumps. However, once those bumps are no longer new, they will be merged together - no action required on your part.

Furthermore, it is not appropriate to edit posts, because a lot of the information is relevant and serves to inform other users. Some of them receive notifications and it is useful to make new posts, with relevant topics.
And you're free to do so once every 24 hours. Once more posts have been made, the old posts serve little to no purpose notification-wise.

The most unpleasant thing, which led me to open this topic, was the fact that one of the deleted posts (merged with another) was the statistics post, which will impact the link in the official topic. (This link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5450546.msg63126527#msg63126527 - regarding statistics [Oct'23].) Link that is not only in the official OP, but can also be in some translation topics.

In addition to having to change the link in the OP, these statistics will be mixed in with other posts that have nothing to do with the subject, nor with the organization of the topic.
As consecutive posts and bumps generally should not be considered stable (as in they might be merged with previous posts), my suggestion would be to have a single dedicated post where you collect historical statistics with the bumps / update-type posts serving as merely updates with new stats to those actively keeping track of the thread. Either that or when you want post a new stats post that would become a consecutive post, simply edit in the stats at the end of your first post in a row and simply post a quick "heads up" post that new stats are available with a link to the edited post.

Therefore, I suggest special care when dealing with topics (ANN) related to services. Because a change may require additional extra work without any need. An OP cannot depend on third party posts to make new posts, and be afraid that later these posts will all be together, when in this case it makes no sense at all. Of course, the idea of ​​this post is just to draw attention to the topic or make it move up the page (which was not the case), it makes sense to bring all these posts together.
While I'm generally not against the concept of exceptions to the consecutive post rule for topics where it especially makes sense, I don't think the seemingly small inconvenience of simply editing in the stats or whatever info you want to regularly post at the first of several consecutive posts (that is if the stats you wanted to post would become a consecutive post instead of already being sandwiched by other users' posts) warrants an exception.

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April 21, 2025, 01:50:52 PM
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Fortunately, mprep already responded fast enough, just as I thought! the rule of Bump in the moderators perspective have been bridge without you recognising that which lead the mod to merge those posts.

For the updates, basically the last two which link you provided could have just been edited and not make separate post because it's between hours of maintenance it's not another day hence you could update the thread by just using Horizontal rule (hr) which the mod (mprep) did for you.

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April 21, 2025, 03:07:52 PM
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As I said, I don't want to judge the work done, I just want to share the idea that it didn't make sense to merge the 4 posts.



If there are 24h+ gaps between posts, it's fine to post them consecutively as they become bumps. However, once those bumps are no longer new, they will be merged together - no action required on your part.
And you're free to do so once every 24 hours. Once more posts have been made, the old posts serve little to no purpose notification-wise.

Okay, so merging the last 2 posts mentioned made sense. Especially because they were made days after the previous one. It doesn't make sense to put together the 2 posts + 2 posts made several days later.



As consecutive posts and bumps generally should not be considered stable (as in they might be merged with previous posts), my suggestion would be to have a single dedicated post where you collect historical statistics with the bumps / update-type posts serving as merely updates with new stats to those actively keeping track of the thread. Either that or when you want post a new stats post that would become a consecutive post, simply edit in the stats at the end of your first post in a row and simply post a quick "heads up" post that new stats are available with a link to the edited post.

In fact I cannot agree with this point. One thing is dynamic statistics, which always refer to the same element and have to be updated. This is what already happens in OP, where the total value of the uploaded images appears.

Now I was talking about specific statistics, which only refer to a certain period of time. Having a single post gathering all these statistics over time would make it difficult to read, in addition to the technical limits on the number of characters.

The statistics post of the month is specific and not an aggregate, which makes no sense to be mixed with other posts.



While I'm generally not against the concept of exceptions to the consecutive post rule for topics where it especially makes sense, IMO the seemingly small inconvenience of simply editing in the stats or whatever info you want to regularly post at the first of several consecutive posts (that is if the stats you wanted to post would become a consecutive post instead of already being sandwiched by other users' posts) warrants an exception.

That's the point. If no one posts on the topic, after I create the statistics post, the following month I will come back with a new post with the statistics. It would have everything in sequence.

The problem is not that I have to edit the OP, it just ends up changing the dynamics of the topic that has been working like this for 2 years. I don't think that makes sense. Only merged the "status update" posts, wouldn't have even made this post, because it makes perfect sense. I think what wasn't right was just combining the statistics post (something that is done every month in the same way) with other posts.

But, well, it's done, it's done, nothing to do and we remain friends as before. I thought this reflection was good and that it should be done.  Wink


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@mprep As a web developer, you know how annoying it can be when aesthetic sequences don't match the "vision" of a company/service. If you're like me, down to the pixel... you know what I'm saying. Roll Eyes Tongue

 
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May 07, 2025, 06:29:22 PM
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@mprep I ask you please not to merge posts into the TalkImg topic, especially posts that are related to statistics.

This is breaking my idea of ​​organizing the topic, as well as I cannot depend on what other users do, to post data about the project.

It is often said that every rule has an exception. In this case, I am not asking for an exception, but for common sense.


I'm already postponing releasing the April statistics, because no one else has posted in the topic and I don't want to keep thinking that "tomorrow" they'll merge all the posts that I want to be separate.

I ask for common sense please.

 
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May 07, 2025, 07:04:12 PM
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@mprep I ask you please not to merge posts into the TalkImg topic, especially posts that are related to statistics.

This is breaking my idea of ​​organizing the topic, as well as I cannot depend on what other users do, to post data about the project.

It is often said that every rule has an exception. In this case, I am not asking for an exception, but for common sense.


I'm already postponing releasing the April statistics, because no one else has posted in the topic and I don't want to keep thinking that "tomorrow" they'll merge all the posts that I want to be separate.

I ask for common sense please.
PM theymos and ask him for an exception to not having your old consecutive bump-like posts merged and if he PMs me about making an exception for your thread, I will stop merging said posts. Until then, I personally don't think your thread warrants an exception, at least when compared to similar threads.

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May 07, 2025, 07:04:16 PM
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I ask for common sense please.
I'd say this post is a workaround for the bumping rule, but I don't think it makes the forum any better Wink

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May 07, 2025, 07:57:39 PM
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PM theymos and ask him for an exception to not having your old consecutive bump-like posts merged and if he PMs me about making an exception for your thread, I will stop merging said posts. Until then, I personally don't think your thread warrants an exception, at least when compared to similar threads.

I can try to do that, but I don't think it makes much sense, because this is not a simple "bump".

If no one made posts on this topic, I would make a post every month with the statistics from the previous month. It doesn't make sense for me to respond to a user and then be limited in making a subsequent post, just because no one responds.

I think that each case is different, and not everything should be analyzed in the same way. It's just my opinion.



I ask for common sense please.
I'd say this post is a workaround for the bumping rule, but I don't think it makes the forum any better Wink

Exactly. This doesn't make things better, it just partially solves the situation.



I don't want to go against the work of the moderators. I just think that the forum is dynamic, and each case should be evaluated in different ways. But maybe that's just my point of view, I'm sorry.

 
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