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April 23, 2025, 09:56:33 PM
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When I discuss the wide range of gambling and betting with friends who are not on the forum, I often notice their flawed thinking. If it were just once, I would not have given it a thought but when their flawed thinking about gambling comes up over and over again it makes me torn between wanting to help them change the way they think or just leaving them to continue with such thinking until some major gambling experience happens and changes it for them. Some type of this flawed thinking is borrowing money from loan apps to gamble thinking that when they win they will pay back the loan and its interest and keep the rest for themselves. They call this gambling, with other people's money. Another flawed thinking is their belief that paid between groups will make them become millionaires faster than if they are not in the paid group. There are others like this.

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April 23, 2025, 10:02:43 PM
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When I discuss the wide range of gambling and betting with friends who are not on the forum, I often notice their flawed thinking. If it were just once, I would not have given it a thought but when their flawed thinking about gambling comes up over and over again it makes me torn between wanting to help them change the way they think or just leaving them to continue with such thinking until some major gambling experience happens and changes it for them. Some type of this flawed thinking is borrowing money from loan apps to gamble thinking that when they win they will pay back the loan and its interest and keep the rest for themselves. They call this gambling with other people's money. Another flawed thinking is their belief that paid between groups will make them become millionaires faster than if they are not in the paid group.
Let me help you on this.
Always know that people respond to advice differently. Some are good listeners, some would do what they have in mind to do, while some will want to get opinion from multiple sources before taking any action. If you won't mind, try figuring out which category your friends fall into before wanting to give them the advice you have hoard in your mind for so long. The main reason why people don't like giving any financial advice is because they may blame you if things go wrong for them in gambling at the end. But you know your friends and what they are capable of. Don't just do what you will regret later.

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April 23, 2025, 10:08:20 PM
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i will try and stop them through giving them advice but if they do not want to be advised and won’t listen to me then i will not force them to do so but if they come crying by the end of their gambling journey crying i will say i told you so but i would not be forcing my friends to follow everything i want
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April 23, 2025, 10:08:33 PM
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When I discuss the wide range of gambling and betting with friends who are not on the forum, I often notice their flawed thinking. If it were just once, I would not have given it a thought but when their flawed thinking about gambling comes up over and over again it makes me torn between wanting to help them change the way they think or just leaving them to continue with such thinking until some major gambling experience happens and changes it for them. Some type of this flawed thinking is borrowing money from loan apps to gamble thinking that when they win they will pay back the loan and its interest and keep the rest for themselves. They call this gambling, with other people's money. Another flawed thinking is their belief that paid between groups will make them become millionaires faster than if they are not in the paid group. There are others like this.
Of course, you should expect anything from a gambler that's seeing gambling as a means of income. However, I will say that those gamblers taking loan to gamble will  becomes addicts, if they haven't become already. The fact is that, gambling is not guaranteed for profits whether you are in a paid group or not, because your win comes by chance.

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April 23, 2025, 10:21:05 PM
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You can try all that you can, and I can bet you that most of these people have this mindset buried inside of them, and it will be hard for you to change them from thinking that way. Only a low percentage of the people you will talk to will be able to listen to you and take correction; the majority of them all will discard you and even say to your face that you don't know what you are doing.

Have you ever in your life tried to talk to someone about something they are doing wrong which concerns finance, and they indirectly tell you to your face that you don't just want their success, which is why you are tendering that type of advice to them? Have been in the type of situation before and I know how I felt.

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April 23, 2025, 10:22:24 PM
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When I discuss the wide range of gambling and betting with friends who are not on the forum, I often notice their flawed thinking. If it were just once, I would not have given it a thought but when their flawed thinking about gambling comes up over and over again it makes me torn between wanting to help them change the way they think or just leaving them to continue with such thinking until some major gambling experience happens and changes it for them. Some type of this flawed thinking is borrowing money from loan apps to gamble thinking that when they win they will pay back the loan and its interest and keep the rest for themselves. They call this gambling, with other people's money. Another flawed thinking is their belief that paid between groups will make them become millionaires faster than if they are not in the paid group. There are others like this.

The main problem about that way of thinking is the fact that they think they will win, but if that doesn’t happens then they will get in a heavy debt, and there is where the gambling problems comes from.

If they are your friends then you are doing it good by explain them the risk, and if they decide to keep playing this way is their problem, at least you try to warning them.
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April 23, 2025, 10:24:27 PM
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Borrowing money to gamble is a serious problem especially if you know you're not a consistent winner. When gambling with borrowed funds becomes your last resort because you can't generate cash anymore, that's when it crosses into dangerous territory. After all, true gambling means never risking money you can't afford to lose.

That said, there's a different scenario where skilled gamblers (with proven track records) treat borrowing like a business investment, using it strategically to scale profits. But let's be clear,  for the average gambler, borrowing almost always leads to trouble.

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April 23, 2025, 10:29:38 PM
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When I discuss the wide range of gambling and betting with friends who are not on the forum, I often notice their flawed thinking. If it were just once, I would not have given it a thought but when their flawed thinking about gambling comes up over and over again it makes me torn between wanting to help them change the way they think or just leaving them to continue with such thinking until some major gambling experience happens and changes it for them. Some type of this flawed thinking is borrowing money from loan apps to gamble thinking that when they win they will pay back the loan and its interest and keep the rest for themselves. They call this gambling, with other people's money. Another flawed thinking is their belief that paid between groups will make them become millionaires faster than if they are not in the paid group. There are others like this.

If you are that kind of person that is argumentative and confrontational, then maybe you can correct them. But personally, I'm not that kind of person, although I have once a argument against someone regarding gambling but I didn't take it personally. We might have different views on it so at the end of the day there is no winner and we still are friends. But if you don't know the person that is in front of you that much, it's really have to argue with them and so just let it be.

For close friends, why not? Maybe they will take your advise and find it true to save them some money. Or maybe they will just laugh it off and after the argument, there is no love lost between you and your close friends.

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April 23, 2025, 10:34:35 PM
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Some type of this flawed thinking is borrowing money from loan apps to gamble thinking that when they win they will pay back the loan and its interest and keep the rest for themselves. They call this gambling, with other people's money.

This is a flawed mindset, I agree with you but such act can still become favourable to some people but it's more rare than it occurs. Someone once brought up a question that says(I think on the forum here), "if a gambler took a loan to gambler and won millions of money, would you criticize his actions and what if he lost the money, what would you judge towards the person's act of taking loan to gamble"?

First, it's very bad to take loan when you don't have means or source of repayment, secondly, it's even worse when someone don't have source of repaying a loan and yet they took the loan and put the money into something that is based on luck and uncertainty and they will be depending on luck. If one must take loan for gambling, they should have another soucre of repaying that loan and if the person actually have a source of income, they probably will not borrow to gamble. I am not in support of taking loan to gambling and if I see someone doing it, I will definitely advise them against it depending if we are friends or the kind of relationship we have, because i can not just see someone I don't know and then start giving them advise that they don't seek. But if the person is sure that they have a trusted means of repayment apart from just winning from the bet, they are free to carry out their decision, their money, their choice.

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April 23, 2025, 10:40:22 PM
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People often don't hear free advice, actually. So I don't think you can change their minds. Because those are heavily addicted to gambling, they will not hear your good advice. They need to play, even they need to borrow money. But they aren't getting how they are double gambling with their money. If they lose at gambling, it means they can't repay the loan as they expected.

You can help them to not gamble with borrowed funds, either from apps or real life. You can explain, but I don't believe you can convince them to avoid such behaviour. I know it from real life, and I have seen a couple of stories where they lost a big amount, though the funds were borrowed. I explained to one person not to gamble this way, but he didn't hear me. So now you can decide what you should do.


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April 23, 2025, 10:43:20 PM
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Some type of this flawed thinking is borrowing money from loan apps to gamble thinking that when they win they will pay back the loan and its interest and keep the rest for themselves.

Another flawed thinking is their belief that paid between groups will make them become millionaires faster than if they are not in the paid group. There are others like this.

What I can say is that these people are newbies in gambling, so they have wrong perceptions and beliefs about it, or they have a bad character, as they are willing to gamble with other people's money without any assurance they are going to be able to pay it back later.

The best you can do is to advise and educate them with the knowledge you have already acquired on this forum and through your personal journey as a gambler. However, if they will listen to you it's another matter which you shouldn't really be concerned about. The important is that you do your part to help them, as a good friend who wishes them the best. If they are wise, they are going to listen to you and change their mindset at some point...

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If I am in that position, I would appreciate you correcting me. However, gamblers have different preferences when they gamble. We may call it very risky for them, but let’s accept the fact that no matter how many advices they will received, in the end they will stick to their own decision, and once they don’t experience the consequences yet, they will never see our advices worthy to follow.

Experience is the best teacher. I think those kind of gamblers would still want to experience it then, before they can tell that what they’re doing will only lead them to greater losses.


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April 23, 2025, 10:47:47 PM
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I don't know mate, but for me, I have this kind of strategy too to borrow money to gamble from loaning apps, at least a maximum of $100.00 to play. And there are moments that I can win back and pay them again with interest and have some money in my pocket to either buy things or just continue to gamble.

But as far as giving advise, gamblers are one of the most stubborn people that I have meet in my life. They are self-centric and even if it is your friends, they might not like what advise you are going to give because they think that they have total control of their gambling habits, so what more if you just have conversation on land base casinos about their gambling habits and strategies and other things related to their gambling.

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April 23, 2025, 11:07:27 PM
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If I am in that position, I would appreciate you correcting me. However, gamblers have different preferences when they gamble. We may call it very risky for them, but let’s accept the fact that no matter how many advices they will received, in the end they will stick to their own decision, and once they don’t experience the consequences yet, they will never see our advices worthy to follow.

Experience is the best teacher. I think those kind of gamblers would still want to experience it then, before they can tell that what they’re doing will only lead them to greater losses.
That’s true. But sometimes it’s better to learn from other people’s experiences so we don’t have to pay the price ourselves. We shouldn’t borrow money from loan apps carelessly, especially since they charge high interest, and worse, they sometimes harass people who can’t pay on time. It just adds more problems to what we already have. I think we need to learn how to say no. If we truly understand our chances in gambling, we wouldn’t feel the need to borrow and become too aggressive.

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Some type of this flawed thinking is borrowing money from loan apps to gamble thinking that when they win they will pay back the loan and its interest and keep the rest for themselves. They call this gambling, with other people's money. Another flawed thinking is their belief that paid between groups will make them become millionaires faster than if they are not in the paid group. There are others like this.

You can call them and correct them but some corrections are learnt from big losses to them, that maybe the time they will only learn by their self and change that their approach to gambling. Borrowing money to gamble on something that is base on luck to me is something that should be expected from an illiterate and not a literate person. The use of borrowed money to gamble is not something one should be embracing in this era and time, you’ll most likely not win and you’ll be in double jeopardy. I don’t know how paid groups in gambling works but if it is similar to what paid trading group signals are, it means you can never be so sure of your analysis and depend on the signal group for your progress which is also bad.


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Another flawed thinking is their belief that paid between groups will make them become millionaires faster than if they are not in the paid group. There are others like this.

This I understand as there was once a neighbourhood that I stayed and they will pool their money together to bet on lottery. But the last time I heard the group is gone as they didn't win any money.

In any case, I might give advise to a person that I know. But still up to him to whether to listen to me as we all know that they have their own beliefs and it's hard to convince them even if you have a good argument about not borrowing money just to gamble because there is still that element that you're going to lose and so it's very hard to pay back if you don't have the money.

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Every error in the way we play or think about gambling should be corrected as early as possible before it becomes a habit. once it becomes a habit, it will be hard to correct it, and it will cost the player a lot in the future.
Asking for loans is a big no; playing more than we can afford to lose is another error, and wrong perceptions that we can make money from gambling are bad perceptions that should be corrected when we are just starting to gamble.
Not correcting this will lead us to a bad gambling experience, so the earlier we correct it, the better.

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This will indeed be quite a dilemma. However, they are our friends. especially if we know they have families. It will be much more complicated later, the effects of a gambling mindset that we may not think is appropriate.

So, I might take the following steps:
- At least once, I have to express my opinion in a language that is very easy for them to understand
- See their response, whether they are opinionated and willing to consider or not
- Remember, we express our opinions, not make judgments that lead to or underestimate what they do.
- We give practical answers in a language that suits them.
- Then, let them make their own decisions with their own risks and possibilities.

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When I discuss the wide range of gambling and betting with friends who are not on the forum, I often notice their flawed thinking. If it were just once, I would not have given it a thought but when their flawed thinking about gambling comes up over and over again it makes me torn between wanting to help them change the way they think or just leaving them to continue with such thinking until some major gambling experience happens and changes it for them. Some type of this flawed thinking is borrowing money from loan apps to gamble thinking that when they win they will pay back the loan and its interest and keep the rest for themselves. They call this gambling, with other people's money. Another flawed thinking is their belief that paid between groups will make them become millionaires faster than if they are not in the paid group. There are others like this.
It's not an option, borrowing money to gamble with is bad and gambling with borrowed money from loan sharks is the weirdest thing to do, In truth, I don't know that people do that kind of deal, because that is like doubling your risk and pressure at the same time.

So is important to avoid anything that will make you and him end on a bad note.

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