Possible cheating in Betpanda campaign

[nayib bukkake]

The following three accounts currently enrolled in the Betpanda signature campaign seem to be connected. It's possible that I am mistaken but I don't believe these suspicions are entirely unfounded.

The three accounts are: Baofeng, Kemarit, and Jating. I have interacted with them many times over the years and I have noticed their writing has many similarities. All these users also have the same merit fishing tactic of making scam/malware warning threads. This isn't a smoking gun necessarily because people can pick up on certain habits and mannerisms from each other when you are from the same region, share many of the same interests and always visit the same forum boards so I decided to look a bit further.

On February 25, the payment for the Betpanda signature campaign was made in transaction e754321bbd2b4049c3ae2462c048e4fae52c846b16ebcf6015d38289747b9a4b
Kemarit sends his payment to address bc1qnfg74ycx774tkk9d82vh9900t25xjgv08l7kn4
Baofeng sends his payment to address bc1qhp6hq70za7yle52gpnssvekyj9p9vmxnrre8qv
Both of these transfers use the same feerate and are included in the same block.

In the next block, these addresses, along with Jating's signature campaign address bc1qx6qxfksg38jmhjwp0tmdgg3krqtjyw80gcaujz, are included in consolidation transaction
418ce5b28d388e6b3be0f385b5051e5f954953e3982d0c0ecb4c5e4a10d54c88
Looking at the history of the addresses in this transaction suggests they might belong to an exchange, which might explain the commingling of Baofeng and Kemarit's transfers with Jating's funds. Perhaps Jating is not an alt account and just happens to use the same exchange.

However, there are these bounty applications where Jating and Baofeng use the same address:

Bitcointalk Username: Jating
Bitcointalk Profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=763588
Forum Rank: Hero Member
USDT Address (ARB USDT): 0xfa5f27e61d409fe72c5fdcdbc3392d365f1ecf00
Merits gained in 180 days: 56

Bitcointalk Username: Baofeng
BSC wallet address: 0xfa5f27e61d409fe72c5fdcdbc3392d365f1ecf00

I do not have any negative feeling against these users and hope there is a reasonable explanation for all of this. I only shared these details to get some clarification about these suspicions I had and determine if there was indeed cheating or if I am actually mistaken.

[yahoo62278]

Someone will look into these accusations and do some detective work as far as the blockchain is concerned I am sure, but I do want to point out that you should have some balls and use your main account when accusing people of wrongdoings. Don't be a coward, it's not like you will get into trouble for posting things like this. You might actually gain some recognition in the community for catching cheaters.

I get it, you're scared of these users for whatever reason. I just can't see why unless they're cops in your local community and you're scared for your life.

[nayib bukkake]

Someone will look into these accusations and do some detective work as far as the blockchain is concerned I am sure, but I do want to point out that you should have some balls and use your main account when accusing people of wrongdoings. Don't be a coward, it's not like you will get into trouble for posting things like this. You might actually gain some recognition in the community for catching cheaters.

I get it, you're scared of these users for whatever reason. I just can't see why unless they're cops in your local community and you're scared for your life.

You were just defending Dr.Bitcoin_Strange. You have absolutely no credibility at all. This is why people rarely go out on a limb to call out misbehavior. Anytime somebody wants to make a controversial accusation there is always assholes like you appealing to the moderators authority or attacking people for wanting to keep some privacy. Maintaining the status quo might be to your personal benefit but it is the reason why this forum is enshittifying into oblivion.

[yahoo62278]

Someone will look into these accusations and do some detective work as far as the blockchain is concerned I am sure, but I do want to point out that you should have some balls and use your main account when accusing people of wrongdoings. Don't be a coward, it's not like you will get into trouble for posting things like this. You might actually gain some recognition in the community for catching cheaters.

I get it, you're scared of these users for whatever reason. I just can't see why unless they're cops in your local community and you're scared for your life.

You were just defending Dr.Bitcoin_Strange. You have absolutely no credibility at all. This is why people rarely go out on a limb to call out misbehavior. Anytime somebody wants to make a controversial accusation there is always assholes like you appealing to the moderators authority or attacking people for wanting to keep some privacy. Maintaining the status quo might be to your personal benefit but it is the reason why this forum is enshittifying into oblivion.

pretty sure I didn't defend the guy and even advocated that he needed a tag of some sort.

What i did say is users shouldn't hop on to defend someone and just let the mods do their jobs.

Now to your privacy issue, do you feel better now? Now you can go show your friends you mouthed off but again too big a pussy to do it from your main account. See how I'm not scared to voice my opinion? I want you to know it's me calling you out.

Privacy is good in some cases but to he scared to death to call out a cheater is laughable.

[Free Market Capitalist]

... but I do want to point out that you should have some balls and use your main account when accusing people of wrongdoings. Don't be a coward, it's not like you will get into trouble for posting things like this.

I don't know what your problem is with this. I know you repeat it a lot in these cases but precisely the alts are allowed for things like this. In the original quote from theymos he was referring to alts to say controversial things in politics matters but I think it applies equally here. If it is legitimate to create an alt to say political opinions that you don't want to say with your main account it is also legitimate to try to reveal cheaters.

As for the evidence presented in the OP I find this more relevant:

However, there are these bounty applications where Jating and Baofeng use the same address:

Than this:

On February 25, the payment for the Betpanda signature campaign was made in transaction e754321bbd2b4049c3ae2462c048e4fae52c846b16ebcf6015d38289747b9a4b
Kemarit sends his payment to address bc1qnfg74ycx774tkk9d82vh9900t25xjgv08l7kn4
Baofeng sends his payment to address bc1qhp6hq70za7yle52gpnssvekyj9p9vmxnrre8qv
Both of these transfers use the same feerate and are included in the same block.

In the next block, these addresses, along with Jating's signature campaign address bc1qx6qxfksg38jmhjwp0tmdgg3krqtjyw80gcaujz, are included in consolidation transaction
418ce5b28d388e6b3be0f385b5051e5f954953e3982d0c0ecb4c5e4a10d54c88
Looking at the history of the addresses in this transaction suggests they might belong to an exchange,

[yahoo62278]

... but I do want to point out that you should have some balls and use your main account when accusing people of wrongdoings. Don't be a coward, it's not like you will get into trouble for posting things like this.

I don't know what your problem is with this. I know you repeat it a lot in these cases but precisely the alts are allowed for things like this. In the original quote from theymos he was referring to alts to say controversial things in politics matters but I think it applies equally here. If it is legitimate to create an alt to say political opinions that you don't want to say with your main account it is also legitimate to try to reveal cheaters.

In America we have a 6th amendment right to confront our accuser in a criminal case. Now, this is a forum and not America, but IMO I give more credit to an accusation from someone's main account. Why hide? Afraid of blowback or being called out themselves is about the only reasons that comes to mind.

Is what he is doing wrong? No, but I personally dislike it. He can ignore my comment as that's their right, you can too for that matter.

For the most part, my 1st comment wasn't negative and I believe I wasn't being an asshole but offering advice for more credibility.

[nutildah]

I suspect the real reason OP is using an alt account is because he is a cheater as well and doesn't want to draw more attention to his main account(s). This and the need to shittalk are the two primary reasons why people create these kinds of alt accounts.

Setting OP's poor attitude aside, the shared address between Jating and Baofeng is pretty damning.

In the next block, these addresses, along with Jating's signature campaign address bc1qx6qxfksg38jmhjwp0tmdgg3krqtjyw80gcaujz, are included in consolidation transaction
418ce5b28d388e6b3be0f385b5051e5f954953e3982d0c0ecb4c5e4a10d54c88
Looking at the history of the addresses in this transaction suggests they might belong to an exchange, which might explain the commingling of Baofeng and Kemarit's transfers with Jating's funds. Perhaps Jating is not an alt account and just happens to use the same exchange.

Yes, you are looking at a consolidation on an exchange. So its not enough to say that all 3 accounts belong to the same person. However, I have a hard time believing that Jating and Baofeng are not alts based on the shared use of 0xfa5f27e61d409fe72c5fdcdbc3392d365f1ecf00. As they are both rather established accounts I'd like to see them offer some kind of explanation before tagging them. Although I honestly can't think of what it would be.

[LoyceV]

I do want to point out that you should have some balls and use your main account when accusing people of wrongdoings.

Theymos seems to disagree with you:

If you're hesitant to say something controversial because you don't want it to be associated with your name, please create an alt account and say it.

Now you can go show your friends you mouthed off but again too big a pussy to do it from your main account. See how I'm not scared to voice my opinion?

Your attack on OP is off-topic. I'm posting here because OP sent me a whitelist request, and I think this is a justified reason to want increased privacy.

Why hide?

People have been tagged for all kinds of BS. That's why.

As they are both rather established accounts I'd like to see them offer some kind of explanation before tagging them. Although I honestly can't think of what it would be.

Let's notify their campaign manager @Little Mouse for this

8. You, a person, are not allowed to enroll with more than one account.

[Little Mouse]

It's sad to see they are secretly enrolling alts in my campaign. Many other campaigns exist these days, and almost all have the same payment structure. Why enroll in the same campaign?

Since there's no concrete proof of Kemarit being an alt (although likely they are), I'll process his payment, while I'll hold both Jating and Baofeng's payment until they give an explanation that proves they aren't alt. In addition, I'll ask for all the payments that have been ripped from this campaign. Otherwise, red tag + flag will be created.

Have sent DM to all of them.

Edit-
Coincidence that both Jating and Kemarit haven't posted the required number of posts last week. I can't remember if I have ever seen Kemarit miss the post requirements.

[goldkingcoiner]

I don't really care about why OP is hiding behind a newbie account. Personally, I think it would be more honorable to post with your main account. However, This is about finding out the truth behind whether or not a campaign manager is getting scammed by people in this forum.

Someone will look into these accusations and do some detective work as far as the blockchain is concerned I am sure, but I do want to point out that you should have some balls and use your main account when accusing people of wrongdoings. Don't be a coward, it's not like you will get into trouble for posting things like this. You might actually gain some recognition in the community for catching cheaters.

I get it, you're scared of these users for whatever reason. I just can't see why unless they're cops in your local community and you're scared for your life.

You were just defending Dr.Bitcoin_Strange. You have absolutely no credibility at all. This is why people rarely go out on a limb to call out misbehavior. Anytime somebody wants to make a controversial accusation there is always assholes like you appealing to the moderators authority or attacking people for wanting to keep some privacy. Maintaining the status quo might be to your personal benefit but it is the reason why this forum is enshittifying into oblivion.

These kind of scammers need to be called out. In the end, it's the reputation of the campaign manager with his/her clients that is on the line. And that will also affect his/her signature campaign participants. That is not cool.

It's sad to see they are secretly enrolling alts in my campaign. Many other campaigns exist these days, and almost all have the same payment structure. Why enroll in the same campaign?

Since there's no concrete proof of Kemarit being an alt (although likely they are), I'll process his payment, while I'll hold both Jating and Baofeng's payment until they give an explanation that proves they aren't alt. In addition, I'll ask for all the payments that have been ripped from this campaign. Otherwise, red tag + flag will be created.

Have sent DM to all of them.

Edit-
Coincidence that both Jating and Kemarit haven't posted the required number of posts last week. I can't remember if I have ever seen Kemarit miss the post requirements.

Sorry that happened to you, Little Mouse.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

Edit-
Coincidence that both Jating and Kemarit haven't posted the required number of posts last week. I can't remember if I have ever seen Kemarit miss the post requirements.

He probably refused to log in because he didn't want to make any explanations if members saw any of the accused accounts online. So it's probably a soft exit.

Let me also add more into this coincidence. The times these accounts could post in the recent days is also questionable. No doubt that they are alts.

Here are the posting times for the last 7 posts for each account. Notice the times they would post and how close the minutes were.

Jating: April 27, 2025, 11:00:30 PM
Kemarit: April 27, 2025, 11:05:23 PM

Jating: April 27, 2025, 10:30:32 PM
Kemarit: April 27, 2025, 10:37:11 PM

Jating: April 27, 2025, 02:33:51 PM
Kemarit: April 27, 2025, 02:25:21 PM

Jating: April 27, 2025, 11:51:43 AM
Kemarit: April 27, 2025, 11:59:02 AM

Jating: April 27, 2025, 11:12:04 AM
Kemarit: April 27, 2025, 11:17:20 AM

Jating: April 26, 2025, 10:00:04 PM
Kemarit: April 26, 2025, 09:44:39 PM

Jating: April 26, 2025, 09:22:25 PM
Kemarit: April 26, 2025, 09:11:25 PM

[LoyceV]

Notice the times they would post and how close the minutes were.

Just regular sweatshop working hours

[babo]

He probably refused to log in because he didn't want to make any explanations if members saw any of the accused accounts online. So it's probably a soft exit.

Let me also add more into this coincidence. The times these accounts could post in the recent days is also questionable. No doubt that they are alts.

Here are the posting times for the last 7 posts for each account. Notice the times they would post and how close the minutes were.

Jating: April 27, 2025, 11:00:30 PM
Kemarit: April 27, 2025, 11:05:23 PM

Jating: April 27, 2025, 10:30:32 PM
Kemarit: April 27, 2025, 10:37:11 PM

Jating: April 27, 2025, 02:33:51 PM
Kemarit: April 27, 2025, 02:25:21 PM

Jating: April 27, 2025, 11:51:43 AM
Kemarit: April 27, 2025, 11:59:02 AM

Jating: April 27, 2025, 11:12:04 AM
Kemarit: April 27, 2025, 11:17:20 AM

Jating: April 26, 2025, 10:00:04 PM
Kemarit: April 26, 2025, 09:44:39 PM

Jating: April 26, 2025, 09:22:25 PM
Kemarit: April 26, 2025, 09:11:25 PM

Very good catch man!
this gives me additional ideas for my campaign manager monitoring tool , really a lot of stuff
I should introduce some statistical models and it will surely be fun to do so, regardless of whether it is useful or not
It looks a bit like a panopticon to me.. but is for a better forum

[nutildah]

Very good catch man!
this gives me additional ideas for my campaign manager monitoring tool , really a lot of stuff
I should introduce some statistical models and it will surely be fun to do so, regardless of whether it is useful or not
It looks a bit like a panopticon to me.. but is for a better forum

I've been of the opinion for a while that this kind of evidence (suspiciously-timed posting patterns) is merely supplementary, meaning you can't hang an investigation on it by itself. However, when combined with other evidence, yes it does further the suggestion that these accounts are alts of each other. The silence by all 3 accounts (even if it is their "forum right") is also a bit suspicious. You would think that at least one account would be up in arms about the accusations. Who knows what they're thinking. But its not looking good.

[babo]

Very good catch man!
this gives me additional ideas for my campaign manager monitoring tool , really a lot of stuff
I should introduce some statistical models and it will surely be fun to do so, regardless of whether it is useful or not
It looks a bit like a panopticon to me.. but is for a better forum

I've been of the opinion for a while that this kind of evidence (suspiciously-timed posting patterns) is merely supplementary, meaning you can't hang an investigation on it by itself. However, when combined with other evidence, yes it does further the suggestion that these accounts are alts of each other. The silence by all 3 accounts (even if it is their "forum right") is also a bit suspicious. You would think that at least one account would be up in arms about the accusations. Who knows what they're thinking. But its not looking good.

sure sure, you're right
I was actually thinking of introducing it as a way to raise a flag and propose some extra investigations
not to blame anyone, God forbid
everyone is innocent until proven guilty, I'm not the type to blame unless I feel absolutely safe

[Lucius]

It's sad to see they are secretly enrolling alts in my campaign. Many other campaigns exist these days, and almost all have the same payment structure. Why enroll in the same campaign?
~snip~

I suppose it's a lot easier that way in the sense that you know that the same campaign rules apply to all x accounts you have - meaning the same number of posts, start and end, and maybe a few other things. Although on the other hand it's pretty stupid to do such things because someone will find out sooner or later.

I notice a lot of strange, let's say, similarities between various members in various sig campaigns, so I don't doubt at all that there are a lot of alt accounts that are milking the same campaigns, but you have to accept that this is reality - where money is involved, there isn't much honesty and honor. If someone wanted to be at least somewhat sure, they would have to do an in-depth analysis of all those who participate in their sig campaigns, but it requires time and expertise.

[Xiestar]

These kind of scammers need to be called out. In the end, it's the reputation of the campaign manager with his/her clients that is on the line. And that will also affect his/her signature campaign participants. That is not cool.

At what part of this issue scam happened? Even if they are alt account, They both finish post quota that equivalent to work done. There’s nothing lose here because all payment done was matched by required post.

Alt account is allowed to join on different campaigns. Even well known member has alt account that joins on different campaigns. If we are being honest here what’s the difference in terms of work done there?

I notice a lot of strange, let's say, similarities between various members in various sig campaigns, so I don't doubt at all that there are a lot of alt accounts that are milking the same campaigns, but you have to accept that this is reality - where money is involved, there isn't much honesty and honor. If someone wanted to be at least somewhat sure, they would have to do an in-depth analysis of all those who participate in their sig campaigns, but it requires time and expertise.

There’s a bigger problem on this that is still not being addressed. Merit farmer on local boards!

Some campaign manager already stop doing their job on checking post quality as top priority instead they are focusing on merit counts now despite it’s acquired on board that is not relevant to the campaign that they are promoting.

I will not be surprised if the high reputable member itself and some of this detective are the owners of those new account that easily rise on the rank due to merit circle jerking on local.

In the future, Forum users will be dominated by these alt accounts of merit jerker. Yeah keep ignoring this facts.

[Zwei]

At what part of this issue scam happened? Even if they are alt account, They both finish post quota that equivalent to work done. There’s nothing lose here because all payment done was matched by required post.

Alt account is allowed to join on different campaigns. Even well known member has alt account that joins on different campaigns. If we are being honest here what’s the difference in terms of work done there?

no difference in terms of work really, but it doesn't matter, it's still a scam/cheating as they are not allowed to enroll alts in the same campaign and literally every manager has this rule.
if it's not allowed, it's not allowed, no ifs or buts.

[Awaklara]

At what part of this issue scam happened? Even if they are alt account, They both finish post quota that equivalent to work done. There’s nothing lose here because all payment done was matched by required post.

The scam occurs due to the greed of people who join many accounts in the same campaign. Campaign managers create rules for each campaign they publish. It is not without reason that campaign managers only allow one account per user to join. You cannot see such cases with the amount of work completed. This violates campaign rules, clearly cheating the manager, as well as other participants who also apply for the campaign.

[acroman08]

Alt account is allowed to join on different campaigns. Even well known member has alt account that joins on different campaigns. If we are being honest here what’s the difference in terms of work done there?

There wouldn't really be an issue if the alt accounts joined other signature campaigns that allow alt accounts to join, but as you can see on LoyceV's post above, betpanda's signature campaign has a rule where alt accounts are not allowed to join the campaign. While there might not be a difference in their work, they still broke the signature campaign's rule, which is the issue that is being pointed out.