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[Dyno8050]

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[Zwei]

If you go to there site and play a game such as dice, you will note in the verification section a client seed, a server seed and a hash.
As they only provide a hashed version of the server seed and never show the seed after rotation, this is shows there is no provable fairness.

umm... actually you are just wrong about this.
ofc they are only going to provide a hashed seed while it's still active, that's how it's supposed to work. otherwise you will be able to know all future outcomes.



if you go to https://wolfbet.com/provably-fair?tab=session and change your current server seed, you will be able to see the unhashed server seed if you check your old bets.



all wolfbet in house games are provably fair, so your accusation of "FAKE FAIRNESS" is just false.
don't take my words for it, everyone can verify every bet on https://wolfbet.com/provably-fair?tab=verification or just use a thirt party site like https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/.

But disregarding that, the competitions they hold are fake as well
How do I know? I've "won" them repeatedly, simply by talking nice about the site in chat.
But it's ok, here's another competition days later
Oh you say it's suspicious? Well here's a chat ban

So after being muted for saying it's suspicious that another competition pops up immediately after I "lost",
I said I wasn't going to play nice and expose the bullshit.

So here it is, wolfbet.com, the site that doesn't provide true provable fairness and fakes competitions.

not only are you wrong about wolfbet not being provably fair, you provided zero proof whatsoever that the chat contests are fake like you claim.
i'm sorry, but tbh with you, you just sound like a disgruntled player who is mad he didn't win and for getting banned from chat.

[Zwei]

Isn't it funny how after reporting this and submitting it to their support portal, that suddenly appeared. I even edited my post with what is in my cached version. But call me a disgruntled player if you want, this is clear cut.


I uploaded the proof so don't tell me "zero proof".
Just because they changed it within the hour of calling them out, doesn't make it true.

I couldn't give a shit if I am banned from talking to their bots. Have you even read the trustpilot reviews for wolf.bet?
It's obvious.


The very fact that they updated their React app after I submitted this to their support portal before disabling my support portal is very concerning.

I will upload the proof that they are Russian based if it's relevant and requested.
But that is NOT how the fairness section looked an hour ago.


It's also funny how you link a section that, when showing the cached section, only further validates my point.
https://ibb.co/QFwMSLLt

Quite the difference between your input and mine.

Almost as if, they updated the application and my cache kept it they way it was.
But I must just be mad lol

But no, this accusation is not "false", as it's clear from my screenshots that, prior to this report, there was no server seed section to be exposed.
Only when reporting this to their support after making this, did it magically change.

Funny how that happens

it didn't suddenly appeare or get added it after your post. it was always there, you didn't see it because you are looking at the wrong place.

if you go to https://wolfbet.com/provably-fair?tab=session and change your current server seed, you will be able to see the unhashed server seed if you check your old bets.

did you even read my post?

again, you will not see the unhashed server seed on the session page.
you can only see it you check an older bet after you change your current server seed.

[khaled0111]

I used to play Dice at Wolf.bet before and never experienced any problems with their provably fair system, so this is quite interesting!

I just checked some of the bets from the High Rollers tab, and the unhashed server seed shows without any problem, and the hash matches.
Here is a screenshot:


Just to confirm: the last screenshot you shared is after clicking on one of your past bets and after changing the current server seed (ending the current session), right?

[Rating Place]

If you go to there site and play a game such as dice, you will note in the verification section a client seed, a server seed and a hash.
As they only provide a hashed version of the server seed and never show the seed after rotation, this is shows there is no provable fairness.

umm... actually you are just wrong about this.
ofc they are only going to provide a hashed seed while it's still active, that's how it's supposed to work. otherwise you will be able to know all future outcomes.



if you go to https://wolfbet.com/provably-fair?tab=session and change your current server seed, you will be able to see the unhashed server seed if you check your old bets.



all wolfbet in house games are provably fair, so your accusation of "FAKE FAIRNESS" is just false.
don't take my words for it, everyone can verify every bet on https://wolfbet.com/provably-fair?tab=verification or just use a thirt party site like https://www.btcgosu.com/tools/provably-fair-verifier/.

But disregarding that, the competitions they hold are fake as well
How do I know? I've "won" them repeatedly, simply by talking nice about the site in chat.
But it's ok, here's another competition days later
Oh you say it's suspicious? Well here's a chat ban

So after being muted for saying it's suspicious that another competition pops up immediately after I "lost",
I said I wasn't going to play nice and expose the bullshit.

So here it is, wolfbet.com, the site that doesn't provide true provable fairness and fakes competitions.

not only are you wrong about wolfbet not being provably fair, you provided zero proof whatsoever that the chat contests are fake like you claim.
i'm sorry, but tbh with you, you just sound like a disgruntled player who is mad he didn't win and for getting banned from chat.

Isn't it funny how after reporting this and submitting it to their support portal, that suddenly appeared. I even edited my post with what is in my cached version. But call me a disgruntled player if you want, this is clear cut.


I uploaded the proof so don't tell me "zero proof".
Just because they changed it within the hour of calling them out, doesn't make it true.

I couldn't give a shit if I am banned from talking to their bots. Have you even read the trustpilot reviews for wolf.bet?
It's obvious.


The very fact that they updated their React app after I submitted this to their support portal before disabling my support portal is very concerning.

I will upload the proof that they are Russian based if it's relevant and requested.
But that is NOT how the fairness section looked an hour ago.


It's also funny how you link a section that, when showing the cached section, only further validates my point.
https://ibb.co/QFwMSLLt

Quite the difference between your input and mine.

Almost as if, they updated the application and my cache kept it they way it was.
But I must just be mad lol

But no, this accusation is not "false", as it's clear from my screenshots that, prior to this report, there was no server seed section to be exposed.
Only when reporting this to their support after making this, did it magically change.

Funny how that happens

Regarding contest proof:
I should have screenshotted that, but I have proof of them telling me I won beforehand and me asking when the results are on multiple occasions before they topped my account up.

3 times I "won" 200 and twice I "won" 100, when there was just no way with what I entered.
Only to be told later in chat "the contest isn't real anyway" and how "its only if you're behaving"

Well I'm not "behaving", I'm exposing. I'm not going to stay silenced for a few hundred a week.
That's what you call a bribe.

Do you have a screen shot where they said they contest isn't real? Interesting if true.

[khaled0111]

The fact that you wrote your post suggests you didn't view the images at all.

Not trying to dedend wolbet here but the images you shared do not proove anything.
The first three images are from the session tab where you can change the server and client seed and the other image is from the verification tab where you need to enter the server and client seed and the nonce to verify the bet result.

To reveal the server seed (unhashed) you need to click on one of your past bets then click on "show verification info" after ending the current session.

Edit: in any case, if you still have the hashed server seed for the bet you believe was manipulated, you can always ask their support to provide you with the unhashed seed so you can verify the result yourself and confirm if there was any manipulation.

[Zwei]

I just checked some of the bets from the High Rollers tab, and the unhashed server seed shows without any problem, and the hash matches.
Here is a screenshot:

you only see it because the player changed his active seed after the bet.
if you check another bet from the same tab, you will only see the hashed seed while the server seed is shown as active since it's still in use:



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I read your post

read it again, but this time pay more attention.

clearly you didn't even view the images I posted, showing how just an hour ago, there was no server seed section there are all.

i did view the images, the 3 images you added to the OP, are from the session page (https://wolfbet.com/provably-fair?tab=session)
you are not going to see the unhashed server seed there, why do you not understand this.

So no, your server seed WAS not being exposed, and now is.

your unhashed server seed is ONLY exposed after you change it, and you can ONLY view it if you on OLD bet.

I was just fetching the screenshot from the unupdated version on my laptop since that had a cached version as well

https://ibb.co/G4TKzSLH

Note there isn't even a section where it says active, it was completely gone before this.

hmmm? are you sure you didn't docter the page?
becasue i can see it just fine: https://wolfbet.com/?betType=dice&id=b14ac439-5980-461b-9a8d-adceaf02c98f&modal=bet&table=allBets

[Zwei]

Why are you defending them so vigorously? Ulterior motives?

what ulterior motives would i have? stop trying to spin this to make it about me.

No one can doctor an image that quick.
Also why do you think I needed my laptop? Because the cache on my phone updated

ever heard of inspect element?

Irregardless that isn't how it should have to be.

I shouldn't need to audit my own results after they exclusively excluded the server seed from the modal, it should be there for the public so that these accusations shouldn't need be made.

it was there for the public all along, just admit you were wrong.

But I still think people should treat this place with caution, if they're willing to rig contests and exclude information, what else are they willing to do?

they never excluded any information to begin with, and you are yet to post any proof of riged contests. you speak as if it's a fact, but last time i checked the burden of proof is on the accuser.

I did however edit the title of the post since in all fairness, they did update it the moment I called them out..
Still... not cool

nothing changed after you "called them out", you are just lying dude. i have been a wolfbet user for a long time, and it's always been this way.

[Zwei]

It's just funny how I've never seen you on a thread until now, only after I mentioned to support over at wolfbet this link, kinda suspicious if you ask me.

maybe because you are blind?
i post on this section regularly, in fact i have 148 posts here. just becasue you have never seen me on a thread before does't main shite.

And oh alright, so I provide all the proof necessary, not to mention I'm still searching for the proof from a site that literally disabled my support portal access so that I can't see previous conversations.

you should have done the "searching" before you go on and post an bunch of provaly wrong claims.

Do you want me to record a video of me refreshing the site for it to bet the same?
I can force my browser to not recache, then record it, but the results will still be the same, the element will be wrong.

or you could have just posted the bet/bets links, much easier for others to verify your claims that way.
hmmm.... i wonder why you didn't do that?

So you can claim I'm "lying" but the proof is there and I'm even willing to record a video of my refereshing and clicking any bet on an unchanged version, showing this.

what proof is there? i have not seen a single proof of your claims yet. so please do record a video and show it to us.

Your timely defensive attitude and accusations of misleading the community is very much inline with my communication with wolfbet and my lack of seeing your engagement anywhere else prior to this today.

you gonna believe what you want to believe, keep being delusional.

Me thinks you're a shill

if me pointing out that you are stating a bunch of false shit makes me a shill, then yeah, i'm a shill.

feel free to tag me once you have actual proof to back up your claims. otherwise, there is no point continuing talking with you.

[Zwei]

https://youtu.be/zE9m-qQWlX8
https://youtu.be/GU4D_cVsfq4

this only proves that the active seed output wasn't visible to you for some reason.
it might have just been a bug and you simply needed to reload your cache.

when exactly did you fist notice that and how long was the active seed output not visible? was it a few minutes, an hour, a day, a month? since when was it like that for you?
and just to prove to you that the active server seed output was always there, i tried to find a youtube video where someone shows it:



this short is from 2024, here you can see it yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dpCXbAeQQ8M



here is an even older one from 2023:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hT3QOBEqwnk

here is a thumbnail from a 3 years old video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N16F8SqR0Vw



so your claim that it was never there and they only added it after you "called them out" is just false.

And because you verifying the bets has nothing to do with them removing the ability to do so, when you hide shit like this, they are CLEARLY scamming

Something tells me that they hid it because they were actively changing results somehow, why else would they do this

how exactly are they scamming? do you even know how provably fair games work?
even if the active seed was hiden, they can't scam you or change results, the hashed seed and the client seed are still there, and the results from them will have to match with the active seed once it get revealed.

so again, you claiming that they had "fake fairness" that got "restored" is just ridiculous and it shows you don't understand how this works.