Al little experiment, what is better - hodling or trading ?

[JaanusRaim]

I started to compare my Little Experiment with Michael Saylors Bitcoin Fund.
I found that we are similar in many aspects:
1) we both deal with about half million - I with half million satoshis, he with half million Bitcoins  ;
2) we both started to invest during the crypto second scene (2018-...) were the general trend is the slight falling of cryptocurrencies prices;
3) we both believe in Bitcoin - I in the very long run (10+ years), he in the medium run as well.

* Many investors and traders follow Michael Saylor regularly, because whenever he buys, its price may increase slightly in the market. To take advantage of this opportunity, many traders follow Michael Saylor regularly.
erence between Michael Saylor and an ordinary person.

To sell when Michael Saylor buys and to buy when Michael Saylor sells, and to go all in when Michael Saylor says that Bitcoin is dead 

[Oluwa-btc]

I believe that Bitcoin will be worth at around million USD in 2040, but meanwhile it will be much much cheaper than today (hundred thousand USD). Is my holding then worth 1000 USD? Or more?

Trading Bitcoin is a great risks especially for experiment as this you'll have to trade wisely else you'll keep accounting for your loses.the best decision is hodling Bitcoin that alone worth more, I know some see less advantage with holding Bitcoin cause it's long-term which is why they involve in trading so they can get in profits in a short whie.. better still hodling is the best decision.

[Rockstarguy]

The two are better but holding is very good and is profitable. The more years you hold your Bitcoin it will give you more opportunity to decide the price you wish to trade out your Bitcoin to achieve a nice income. You can't avoid dagger in the market when you are trading but if you are holding your Bitcoin you can avoid anything that will make you encounter losses.

What you just need in hodling is patience to wait, and understanding of the volatility of the market and that's all but in trading their are more task to be successful in trading. But when it comes to hodling good profit can ba made and in trading profit can also be made, but it is important for one to decide if one is really ready to embrace the task of trading or hodling. They are both profitable but it is important to really know what you want , if you are ready or have the capacity for any of them.

[ChocolateBitcoinK]

I believe that Bitcoin will be worth at around million USD in 2040, but meanwhile it will be much much cheaper than today (hundred thousand USD). Is my holding then worth 1000 USD? Or more?

Trading Bitcoin is a great risks especially for experiment as this you'll have to trade wisely else you'll keep accounting for your loses.the best decision is hodling Bitcoin that alone worth more, I know some see less advantage with holding Bitcoin cause it's long-term which is why they involve in trading so they can get in profits in a short whie.. better still hodling is the best decision.

Personally, I am never in favor of trading Bitcoin, Bitcoin is the most suitable for holding, here we should not think about short-term success. Because its movement is very unpredictable, and comparatively speaking, those who have a long-term perspective have more positive possibilities. Those who believe in long-term possibilities do not give much importance to daily price fluctuations. Rather, they can invest and hold consistently, which reduces their short-term risks and brings the possibility of long-term profits. That is why trading is very risky and the possibility of success is less than holding.

[Danica22]

Personally, I am never in favor of trading Bitcoin, Bitcoin is the most suitable for holding, here we should not think about short-term success. Because its movement is very unpredictable, and comparatively speaking, those who have a long-term perspective have more positive possibilities. Those who believe in long-term possibilities do not give much importance to daily price fluctuations. Rather, they can invest and hold consistently, which reduces their short-term risks and brings the possibility of long-term profits. That is why trading is very risky and the possibility of success is less than holding.

The issue is not that bitcoin is only suitable for long term, but rather that trading alway carries more risk, regardless of whether you are trading gold, bitcoin, or any other asset. Therefore, if we are truly serious about investing. We should focus on the long term rather than trying to profit from short term fluctuation.

There are no shortcuts to success and that concept certainly does not exist in the financial market. Anyone who believe they can get rich quick through shortterm trading will sooner or later pay a heavy price.

[Rabata]

The two are better but holding is very good and is profitable. The more years you hold your Bitcoin it will give you more opportunity to decide the price you wish to trade out your Bitcoin to achieve a nice income. You can't avoid dagger in the market when you are trading but if you are holding your Bitcoin you can avoid anything that will make you encounter losses.

What you just need in hodling is patience to wait, and understanding of the volatility of the market and that's all but in trading their are more task to be successful in trading. But when it comes to hodling good profit can ba made and in trading profit can also be made, but it is important for one to decide if one is really ready to embrace the task of trading or hodling. They are both profitable but it is important to really know what you want , if you are ready or have the capacity for any of them.

Both are profitable, in one, the investor has to gain a lot of knowledge particularly a person who wants to profit from trading must gain knowledge related to trading. He has to do market research. He also has to have an idea about how he will deal with risks. Trading is a platform of knowledge where everyone will take decisions based on their own knowledge, judgment and analysis. If there is any mistake, the trader will definitely have to face big losses. On the other hand, holding is relatively easy. If someone wants to hold, then he can hold by gaining basic knowledge. A holder does not have to worry about the instability of the market. Whatever condition the market goes into, especially if there is a big fall, it cannot have any negative impact on him because long-term Bitcoin holders will benefit.

[RockBell]

I believe that Bitcoin will be worth at around million USD in 2040, but meanwhile it will be much much cheaper than today (hundred thousand USD). Is my holding then worth 1000 USD? Or more?

Trading Bitcoin is a great risks especially for experiment as this you'll have to trade wisely else you'll keep accounting for your loses.the best decision is hodling Bitcoin that alone worth more, I know some see less advantage with holding Bitcoin cause it's long-term which is why they involve in trading so they can get in profits in a short whie.. better still hodling is the best decision.

Personally, I am never in favor of trading Bitcoin, Bitcoin is the most suitable for holding, here we should not think about short-term success. Because its movement is very unpredictable, and comparatively speaking, those who have a long-term perspective have more positive possibilities. Those who believe in long-term possibilities do not give much importance to daily price fluctuations. Rather, they can invest and hold consistently, which reduces their short-term risks and brings the possibility of long-term profits. That is why trading is very risky and the possibility of success is less than holding.

everyone have there way of doing things and what have noticed is that most people are always running to holding because it is one of the most safest thing to do because if you want to trade then you should be ready to lose a lot of money because for instance if you trade and you consistently lose money the best thing is just to focus more on holding that is one of the challenges and people are even losing hope on trading because all the steps it comes with are not something everyone can handle.

And another thing anyone can do is for them to hold and then use there time to trade because that way they will be able to do better than what we think because you hold and then you trade with the little  amount you hold that is the only way your productivity can increase.

[bangjoe]

The two are better but holding is very good and is profitable. The more years you hold your Bitcoin it will give you more opportunity to decide the price you wish to trade out your Bitcoin to achieve a nice income. You can't avoid dagger in the market when you are trading but if you are holding your Bitcoin you can avoid anything that will make you encounter losses.

What you just need in hodling is patience to wait, and understanding of the volatility of the market and that's all but in trading their are more task to be successful in trading. But when it comes to hodling good profit can ba made and in trading profit can also be made, but it is important for one to decide if one is really ready to embrace the task of trading or hodling. They are both profitable but it is important to really know what you want , if you are ready or have the capacity for any of them.

Trading is more difficult than what is imagined, although you can get profit but the risk is also greater especially if you use leverage it will feel very difficult as long as you trade, unless spot trading is much safer even though it is still risky, hodling should be easier because we only need to keep the bitcoins we have as long as possible, it's just that we have to be patient which is the key to success in this investment strategy, if we don't have the ability to trade it's better to just use hodling, it's very enough for us to get profit.

[Cryptmuster]

Trading is more difficult than what is imagined, although you can get profit but the risk is also greater especially if you use leverage it will feel very difficult as long as you trade, unless spot trading is much safer even though it is still risky, hodling should be easier because we only need to keep the bitcoins we have as long as possible, it's just that we have to be patient which is the key to success in this investment strategy, if we don't have the ability to trade it's better to just use hodling, it's very enough for us to get profit.

There’s nothing complicated about getting the ability to trade, you just register on an exchange and start trading. So the real question isn’t about access to trading, but about how well you understand the risks involved in it. If you trade with leverage, you will almost certainly end up losing money. Spot trading, by the way, also doesn’t guarantee profits, and it comes with plenty of its own challenges. Even a successful trade requires you to actually take profit, there are traders who hold their positions for too long and end up losing everything they earned. Hold is much simpler, the main thing is to hold Bitcoin or top coins, that you believe in and that have shown the ability to reach new ATH over time.

[Smack That Ace]

What you just need in hodling is patience to wait, and understanding of the volatility of the market and that's all but in trading their are more task to be successful in trading. But when it comes to hodling good profit can ba made and in trading profit can also be made, but it is important for one to decide if one is really ready to embrace the task of trading or hodling. They are both profitable but it is important to really know what you want , if you are ready or have the capacity for any of them.

Recently, there has been some discussion suggesting that as many as 97% of day trader lose money, with only a small percentage making a profit. This suggests that, theoretically, both trading and holding can generate profit. But in reality, perhap only holding on will yield a real profit.

Trading is actually very complex and difficult, and possessing many skills only increase the chance of winning, but does not guarantee anything. Therefore, I think people should focus most of their time on holding and limiting trading. Do not waste too much time and money on uncertain thing and will not help us earn money.

[JaanusRaim]

The end of March 2026. BTC is now 66679 usd, 0.0035 BTC is 233.38. I have BTC 0.0049478 (329.92/233.38x0.0035).

My investment return is 41.36 % ((329.92/233.38)-1).

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The FairMillions Club


I discovered with great pleasure that I am a member of the FairMillions Club.

I feel that I have to explain it....

Using historical data I figured out that there are two very different periods in cryptocurrencies history: 2009-2017 and 2018-...

Bitcoin price increases in the period 03/01/2009 - 31/12/2017 (3285 days) 14 000 000x (from 0.001 usd to 14 156 usd)
Bitcoin price increases in the period 01/01/2018 - 31/03/2026 (3012 days) 4.71x (from 14 156 usd to 66 679 usd)
this means 3 000 000-fold difference between the periods of similar length

Etherum price increases in the period 03/01/2009 (actually 22/07/2014) - 31/12/2017 2500x (from 0.30 usd to 757 usd)
Etherum price increases in the period 01/01/2018 - 31/03/2026  2.66x (from 757 usd to 2016 usd)

Litecoin price increases in the period 03/01/2009 (actually 07/10/2011) - 31/12/2017 12 000x (from 0.02 usd to 232 usd)
Litecoin price increases in the period 01/01/2018 - 31/03/2026  -77% (from 232 usd to 53 usd)

Monero price increases in the period 03/01/2009 (actually 01/05/2014) - 31/12/2017 175x (from 1.99 usd to 349 usd)
Monero price increases in the period 01/01/2018 - 31/03/2026  -8% (from 349 usd to 320 usd)

and so on
and so on
all cryptocurrencies with almost no exception behaved in the similar way, some have a bit increased in nominal terms in the last 8.25 years but the significant rise in real terms (taking account the price rise of gold, stock indexes and - last but not least - the crypto risk level) is a great exception.
In sharp contrast with that, in 2009-2017 we do not even talk about significant real price rise but about the world records almost every single year.

This difference is so huge that we just can not treat these two periods like the same thing - I dear to say that they are two entirely different crypto episodes with entirely different rules. And both these two different crypto episodes have something different to teach us.

For example the Vladimir Club that is clearly the phenomenon of the first crypto episode, the "dark green" episode (anyone with more than 2,100 BTC can be considered a member of the Vladimir Club). If someone tries to enter it now then he will have to pay the price not worth it - about 1000 years (or 30 generations) work with good salary. Hodling is the phenomenon of the period 2009-2017 as well: then the cryptos price rise potential was so huge that it was probably not worth the risk to sell in the periods of temporal overvaluation (like for example June, 2011).

The second crypto episode, the "red" episode have entirely different emphases. It is not time for amassing the maximum amount of cryptocurrencies but for collecting knowledge, financial and other resources to be ready for undervaluation where-ever or when-ever it emerges. The FairMillions Club is clearly the phenomenon of the second crypto episode. The name FairMillions come from the Fair Millions Bitcoin Lottery who gives to anyone who wants it 0.002 Bitcoins using the lottery method and I pray that this - giving 0.002 BTC for free for every patient applicant - will never change.  Anyone with more than 0.002 BTC got for free from Fair Millions Bitcoin Lottery can be considered as a member of the FairMillions Club. The maximum number of FairMillions club members would be the number of the World population (really the number of club members is around 10 000, 40 of them are known from the Fair Millions Bitcoin Lottery "Leaderboard" list  Fair Millions - Bitcoin Lotteries). The most important feature of the FairMillions Club is that it is fully democratic - everyone had and has access to this club. The members of Vladimir Club and FairMillions Club relate by their BTC wealth as 1 000 000 to 1 or as the ruler of the country to the ruler of the self.

[Winnyndapps]

Nice idea starting with just 0.001 BTC (~$100). Smart way to test things without risking too much.
Honestly, for most people hodling has been the clear winner over the years. Bitcoin has delivered huge gains for anyone who held through the rough patches, especially over 5+ years. Your hope that it could reach crazy prices by 2040 is something a lot of us believe in too — the scarcity and growing adoption keep pushing that narrative.
Trading on the other hand? It looks fun but it's really tough, especially when you're new. Emotions, fees, and bad timing eat up small stacks fast. With only 0.001 BTC, trying to buy low and sell high could easily leave you with even less.
What works better for most folks here is simple DCA (buying a little regularly) combined with long-term holding. Keep the majority safe in a hardware wallet, and if you want some excitement, maybe play with a tiny portion.
Quick tips:
Move it off the exchange/faucet to your own wallet right away.
Only use money you can afford to lose.
Track your buys in a spreadsheet so you don't lose sight.
Patience usually beats active trading when you believe in Bitcoin long-term like you do. The lessons you'll learn will be worth more than the small stack anyway.
Good luck with your experiment, man. Would be cool to hear how it goes later!👍

[JaanusRaim]

I started to compare my Little Experiment with Michael Saylors Bitcoin Fund.
I found that we are similar in many aspects:
1) we both deal with about half million - I with half million satoshis, he with half million Bitcoins  ;
2) we both started to invest during the crypto second scene (2018-...) were the general trend is the slight falling of cryptocurrencies prices;
3) we both believe in Bitcoin - I in the very long run (10+ years), he in the medium run as well.

If you and Michael Saylor have the same holdings, then you both own the same amount of Bitcoin, but even though the amount is the same, there is a big difference in terms of power. For example:

* There can be a big ups and downs in the market between a post by Michael Saylor.

* Many investors and traders follow Michael Saylor regularly, because whenever he buys, its price may increase slightly in the market. To take advantage of this opportunity, many traders follow Michael Saylor regularly.

* We all know that Michael Saylor invests through his company, and there are many benefits to investing through this company. For example, many people buy shares of their company, they do not have to pay taxes on Bitcoin separately, as the entire profit and loss is shown in the company's accounts.

If a common person's Bitcoin holdings are the same as Michael Saylor's, then there are many other differences between them. The things that make the difference between Michael Saylor and an ordinary person.

I think that Michel Saylor is right in the very very long run but he is long ahead of his time. It is possible that we need many Michel Saylor type multi-billion dollar investors in the next (third) crypto episode when cryptocurrencies (not only Bitcoin - there will be many many Bitcoin-like trillion-market-cap-cryptos then) become truly mainstream and may-be even replace stocks (remember that stock market cap is ca 150 trillion!).

He does not suit in the present (second) crypto episode with imperceptibly but steadily falling crypto prices. The first crypto episode 2009-2017 was not suitable for very big investments as well because there was nothing to buy with big money then.

[vs2014]

I know some people who hold crypto and some who trade. Both of these categories can be profitable but it depends on what you are more skilled at. If you study the market well and develop a strategy with the coins then in no time you will be able to create your own strategy to the advantage.

Then you can get ready to move into crypto trading and start with a method that works best for you. Remember that trading is more risky but holding is less risky. Again, never think about getting rich overnight because it never happens. So focus on trading or holding small and steady gains and always be aware of your risks. Always focus on the charts to suppress them and don't be influenced by FOMO for fear of losing something.

[Ishicryptic]

The two are better but holding is very good and is profitable. The more years you hold your Bitcoin it will give you more opportunity to decide the price you wish to trade out your Bitcoin to achieve a nice income. You can't avoid dagger in the market when you are trading but if you are holding your Bitcoin you can avoid anything that will make you encounter losses.

What you just need in hodling is patience to wait, and understanding of the volatility of the market and that's all but in trading their are more task to be successful in trading. But when it comes to hodling good profit can ba made and in trading profit can also be made, but it is important for one to decide if one is really ready to embrace the task of trading or hodling. They are both profitable but it is important to really know what you want , if you are ready or have the capacity for any of them.

Everybody in the crypto space have to know what they want whether it's long term profit or short term profit, the difference is that the shorter you want profit is the riskier for you. Trading is risky you can enter the market and be lucky to make profit on a very short time but most likely you can lose your trading capital very fast too. While if you hodl a reputable coin like Bitcoin you need to wait for a long time before making profit, as it is now that we're in bear run you need to wait patiently till bull run before you can get any significant profit. If you have the patience to accumulate and hodl you can do DCA strategy to accumulate and hodl your Bitcoin and wait for it to hopefully reach $1,000,000 before or after 10 years, it's a long time to wait but it's worth it.

[cxtreenal]

I believe that Bitcoin will be worth at around million USD in 2040, but meanwhile it will be much much cheaper than today (hundred thousand USD). Is my holding then worth 1000 USD? Or more?

Trading Bitcoin is a great risks especially for experiment as this you'll have to trade wisely else you'll keep accounting for your loses.the best decision is hodling Bitcoin that alone worth more, I know some see less advantage with holding Bitcoin cause it's long-term which is why they involve in trading so they can get in profits in a short whie.. better still hodling is the best decision.

Traders who want to make more profits in a short period of time through Bitcoin may have their expectations fulfilled for some time or if they want to make a small profit, it may also be possible to achieve it but to achieve this profit he will gradually develop a kind of tendency to make a profit. During the period of continuous buying and selling, he may rise to such a level that he may make wrong decisions in the hope of getting additional profits due to his instability. He may gradually fall into the same level of risk as gambling due to being excessively greedy, whereas accumulation Bitcoin for the long term would have been the best decision for that investor.

Trading is a huge risk If you know about this initially, your investment decisions will be likely to mature accordingly and there will be a focus on long term investments and the strategies you take.

[lizarder]

I got 0.001 BTC (worth today about 100 USD) from www.freebitco.in and I plan to make a small experiment with it. I will try, is it possible to increase this initial BTC amount (0.001) with trading: selling then BTC is overvalued and buying then BTC is undervalued.

I believe that Bitcoin will be worth at around million USD in 2040, but meanwhile it will be much much cheaper than today (hundred thousand USD). Is my holding then worth 1000 USD? Or more? Or less?  

No one knows for sure when bitcoin will reach $1 million and now the focus of most people is how to exploit the existing potential to achieve more assets. This little experiment will not affect anything if you do not have a better plan regarding involvement in bitcoin and if the utilization of 0.001 bitcoin is not increased consistently using the available opportunities then the continued increase in price will only provide commensurate profits.

There is no problem using a holding or trading pattern, but the question is to what extent your ability to utilize both. If your trading skills are good then getting involved in it is not a problem, but if your trading skills are not good then choosing to hold your bitcoin holdings is much better because not everyone is suited to trading.

[Hamza2424]

We do not know when bitcoin will get to $1 million but we know that bitcoin would have increased if you hold it. Just see long term holding as a hedge against inflation but bitcoin will do justire than that.

As for trading, it is highly risky. You are a newbie, if you do not want to lose youriney, do not trade with it. Trade with the money that you can afford to lose.

He wants to experiment by buying BTC haha that's a good experiment but he could have even performed this experiment without holding haha. Anyway, there would be no fun then. He is doing a good experiment but I also doubt that by 2040 BTC price will be $1 million. Because $1 million can be hit by BTC even before 2040, it all depends on demand and supply.

But the way we are approaching, the adoption and investment, I think it is possible for BTC to hit $1 million and also not, if things go sideways, if the development starts to go backward haha, like the closure of AI software happening.

[gwapako]

hi. Is www.freebitco.in legit?

[vanesha]

Of course, your assets will increase by around $1,000 if that's true (bold). Unfortunately, the market is unpredictable. I'm not scaring you or wanting you to back out of your decision. I want you to reconsider, but if you're well-prepared for this, then go for it. I suggest not using the money you earn or use for investment for your living expenses. This will help you maintain your investment for a long time.