Trump is meeting with the new head of al-Qaeda terrorists! LOL

[franky1]

ok mikeywith/pooya. you both keep supporting your hamas/houthi rebels. dont worry your support is obvious, your influencers/idols might* repay your support one day

your idols whom use people as human shields.  but mikeywith/pooya try to avoid even using their names hamas/houthi (instead pretend they support/speak for all of gaza/yemen)

*but remember.. when the iranian funding stops. and the rebels disband. whom will you be left to idolise, who will repay you for your support of the rebel causes

highlights they avoid in recent history:
when hamas attacked isreal on oct 7th 2023, isreal pre-announced oct 13th an response attack and gave warning for innocent people to move out of northern gaza to avoid harm whilst isreal deals with the hamas troublemakers.. hamas forced normal gazans to stay put and act as shields, hoping isreal wont fight back
so realise hamas caused the collateral damage of normal citizens in gaza. their crocodile tears are not for the gazans, but for the fact that the human shield trick did not deter isreal from striking back


hamas struck first causing tensions in isreal oct 7th 2023
houthi struck vessels in the red sea first..

dont pretend your idols are the victims, nor fake empathy to the hostages the rebels use as shields.

if you cant even tell the difference between peaceful citizens of a country, vs the extremist terrorist rebel factions/tribes that sit amongst them like cowards. then thats on you

..
pretending to say hamas and houthi are peaceful people, yet their mission is to bomb and strike.. and yet then say HTS is a worse terror group, even though they were rebuilding syria.. really shows you both dont want a certain truth being said
wake up, realise whom your supporting and realise your indocrinations are your problems

im british and athiest. i dont care about muslim vs jew. its not my fight. however i do atleast look beyond the AI generated avatar videos you lot watch and idolise over

as for the logic of whom's homeland it is. well it dates back to isreal as the ultimate natives. so its not palestinians offering harmony to jews. (pretending palestinians allow/let/permit isreals existance) its the other way round isreali's lived in peace with muslims.. until extremist factions of radicals of islam decided they were not happy with their little corner of land

[348Judah]

At this point it is just a matter of finding new ways for US regime to announce its support of al-Qaeda terrorists
I remember about 2 decades ago when the US senator John McCain met with various heads of takfiri terrorist group including ISIS (ie. al-Baghdadi) nobody wanted to believe it in the West, even after the pictures came out.

Today Trump is directly meeting and shaking the hands of the new head of al-Qaeda in Syria, al-Jolani who is the follower of Bin-Laden. It looks like nobody wants to believe this either LOL

It becomes even funnier when you learn that US itself has a million dollar reward on al-Jolani's head!
And UN also has him in its list of international terrorists!!
The Wild West... literally.

P.S. Who was behind 9-11 terrorist attack again?

Are these all not part of what some have developed dislike for the Western regions, because they believe that they are the indirect sponsors of the impeding terrorist attacks across the world, maybe they negotiate with their leaders to cause threat to any country that have refused to comply with their directives and narratives and make everything appear to the world in an opposite direction, so that they can use insurgency and terrorism attacks to take hold of the countries that are not subjected to them, as you have said OP, the picture said it all, but people keep mute as if there were nothing happening neither do they see anything, yet we are proclaiming democracy is all about freedom, when the leaders are mostly behind all these insurgencies.

[Fiatless]

your idols whom use people as human shields.  but mikeywith/pooya try to avoid even using their names hamas/houthi (instead pretend they support/speak for all of gaza/yemen)

There are so many picture that showed how Israeli forces use Palestinians are human shield.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2007/3/9/israelis-use-girl-as-human-shield

https://www.anews.com.tr/middle-east/2024/08/14/israeli-army-systematically-uses-palestinian-civilians-as-human-shields-in-gaza-report

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w172zcwzycnvpcg

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6390/The-Israeli-army%E2%80%99s-use-of-Palestinian-civilians-as-human-shields-has-been-documented-on-a-large-scale

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/program/newsfeed/2024/1/17/palestinian-shop-owner-used-as-human-shield-by-israeli-forces

[348Judah]

This is uncalled for and i wonder when an end to them all will come, why on earth should they use human as shield, this is an unacceptable act and there are evidences showing all over and there is nothing been done over them, should people keep dying in silence for nothing sake, all these are mostly orchestrated by the leaders who are in power and what has happened in the past that people are taking revenge for.

[franky1]

This is uncalled for and i wonder when an end to them all will come, why on earth should they use human as shield,

for hamas and houth reasons:
a. hope that if opposition attacks in an valid strike zone, they can crocodile tear that innocents were killed(even though rebels put innocents in the danger zone)
b. they hope they can call it a war crime by pretending the innocents were the target with no preventative measures to limit collateral damage by opposition
c. by hiding military leaders and fighters amongst innocent people they hope oppositions wont even strike

houthi/hamas dont just hide behind a single innocent person. they:
put dozens/hundred of hostages locked into prisons on military bases hoping the opposition to them wont strike their bases
hide their rebel leaders, weapons, military supplies in hospitals, schools, residential areas

houthis/hamas are not interested in finding shelter/safe zones for the innocent population they hide within

[caroasi]

The policy of refusing to negotiate with terrorists is a luxury of extremely lopsided power structures such as the one Trump is in charge of. That doesn't make it a good idea by any means though. Concessions to bullies are unethical, but that doesn't by any means make negotiations with them a bad thing regardless of the power disparity level. The concept of not negotiating seems to come from a position of the bully rather than the victim thereof.

I've never heard of the FBI being bad for negotiations with kidnappers. Why the hypocrisy? Go ahead and tell me why the FBI is a terrible organization for negotiating with kidnappers, if negotiations with badly behaved people is a bad thing.

If someone can speak, they can negotiate, which is good, and doesn't become bad with a bully. Perhaps negotiations could even help with liars, as they could still be given chances to improve even if you cannot trust the agreement being made.

Trump clearly did negotiate with the Houthis to open up the Suez shipping lanes to safe travel for USA troops. Good.

[franky1]

authorities do negotiate. always have. however they never try to concede/'give-in' on all demands/nor just surrender. they find mutual benefits in most cases

there is a big difference between giving into all terrorist/hostage demands vs negotiating
and yes hostage situations do actually get a negotiator to talk with the hostage takers.

they dont give the hostage takers the ransom they demand, but due negotiate other terms for lessening harm/loss

there are many instances small and big where negotiations happen
take petty organised crime. (arrest a drug trafficker), offer him immunity to inform authorities on the higher ranking members
other crimes, offer a lesser sentence for pleading guilty
war crimes, lower the penalty if perpetrator offers reparations, compensations, accepts sanctions, passes the buck, informs on the real person who orchestrated it


the initial "we dont negotiate with terrorists" is not a motto from real world authorities, but a script from old movies that echo'd into more modern movies as a plot standard for movies featuring hostage negotiations.
..the real authorities have more of a 'we dont give-in to terrorists/hostage takers/criminals demands' motto

just look at the prisoner exchanges during cease fires, where they negotiate the trade of hostages/prisoners

the whole premise of not just giving the terrorists exactly what they want in full(the ransom), is to deter/prevent/de-incentivise other groups forming later repeating the issue to get what they want too.

[Cossyblack]

This is uncalled for and i wonder when an end to them all will come, why on earth should they use human as shield,

houthi/hamas dont just hide behind a single innocent person. they:
put dozens/hundred of hostages locked into prisons on military bases hoping the opposition to them wont strike their bases
hide their rebel leaders, weapons, military supplies in hospitals, schools, residential areas

houthis/hamas are not interested in finding shelter/safe zones for the innocent population they hide within

In the nutshell,you are justifying the incessant airstrike by Israeli terrorist on civilians populated areas. How would you feel if this is your home and your people getting killed unjustly like animals,I bet your countenance would likely changed in defence against this unholy acts. What is going on isn't to decimate the numbers of Hamas hiding in the mist of civilians,it's ethnic cleansing to wipe out Palestinians from Gaza completely.


 The Guardian News

Recently, Israeli air force targeted unarmed Palestinians civilians in al-Mawasi area of Khan Younis in southern Gaza, resulting  to heavy casualties among women and children. This is genocide,terrorist act  carried out by Israeli terrorist and the world is watching. It's not right to attack hospitals, schools and displace center where civilians population is high. You can just depend on intelligence Intel alone, besides they haven't been any concrete proof that Hamas are hiding in the mist of civilians,this is just another propaganda spread by Israeli authorities to further justify the chaos unleashed on Palestinians. This unholy acts have to stopped.

[franky1]

i am not justifying any attack. im just showing whats behind the curtain of the AI avatar crap that the houthi/hamas supporters watch and blindly beleive

here is a thought
how about the palestinians look around their homes/shelters and if anyone is wielding a gun or wearing what appears as the clothing of rebels, get the rebels to leave the cilvilian/residential/safe zone area and go to the borders and defend the borders if that was their true desire.

and yes the rebel leaders are hiding in civilian zones/safe zones.
oh and a reminder when hamas hit isreal oct 11 2023, isreal didnt just hit back randomly, they instead sent warnings for any civilians staying in known rebel area's to move away from the rebel area's as the rebel area's are about to become strike zones. they even gave them a week to move.

its the hamas nutters that told citizens not to move, it is the hamas idiots that told innocent people that by staying at their home they will be protected and they need to stay.
hamas are the ones with mottos of "death to isreal death to america" so its hamas that want whole nations decimated without warning or time to safeguard innocent people

even in the latest battles.(in al-Mawasi area of Khan Younis) isreal gave warning "the area will be considered a dangerous combat zone, terrorist organizations have brought you disaster. For your safety, evacuate immediately.".. and yes this area IS hamas controlled and not a true civilian area

its time palestinians stood up and dealt with hamas internally or Palestinians should get neighbouring countries to help, such as egypt, jordan and such. get them to help sort the hamas out, to allow palestinians to then do peace negotiations with isreal

i know many cant even conceive the notion that hamas rebels are not the same mindset as palestinians, but do try to imagine for once that hamas are different to peaceful palestinians. then you might see them as a different faction that need to be dealt with.

palestinians should either(if they have any control) tell hamas to move to the front line borders and stop acting like cowards. or to stop acting like cowards hiding in residential area's and just put weapons down. stop organising air strikes from residential area's

if the hamas rebels can be dealt with, you will then see its not a "palestinian genocide" thing but a hamas vs isreal thing and a isreal vs hamas thing

[Dunamisx]

This is uncalled for and i wonder when an end to them all will come, why on earth should they use human as shield,

houthi/hamas dont just hide behind a single innocent person. they:
put dozens/hundred of hostages locked into prisons on military bases hoping the opposition to them wont strike their bases
hide their rebel leaders, weapons, military supplies in hospitals, schools, residential areas

houthis/hamas are not interested in finding shelter/safe zones for the innocent population they hide within

In the nutshell,you are justifying the incessant airstrike by Israeli terrorist on civilians populated areas. How would you feel if this is your home and your people getting killed unjustly like animals,I bet your countenance would likely changed in defence against this unholy acts. What is going on isn't to decimate the numbers of Hamas hiding in the mist of civilians,it's ethnic cleansing to wipe out Palestinians from Gaza completely.


 The Guardian News

Recently, Israeli air force targeted unarmed Palestinians civilians in al-Mawasi area of Khan Younis in southern Gaza, resulting  to heavy casualties among women and children. This is genocide,terrorist act  carried out by Israeli terrorist and the world is watching. It's not right to attack hospitals, schools and displace center where civilians population is high. You can just depend on intelligence Intel alone, besides they haven't been any concrete proof that Hamas are hiding in the mist of civilians,this is just another propaganda spread by Israeli authorities to further justify the chaos unleashed on Palestinians. This unholy acts have to stopped.

Going into arguments could not solve this, everyone of you guys ha e something to say, but we can't still express much as the way those who were affected could say, both sides have their wrongs and to be a good judge, we must be able to look into the circumstances that transpired from both sides before taking decision on what to say concerning the situation.

Only that we tend to see more of the weak and affected regions, but we don't know what has been happening before time that led to all these attacks, am not just happy as innocent ones are being affected, especially the children, while world leaders can't do anything nto intervene on the situations on ground, except it becomes worse, let's just pray for them that this end soon.

[franky1]

yes death of innocents is never good. but when rhetoric by certain people suggest that innocents of one side are "targeted", when reality is that the rebel/militia are targeted and the innocents are collateral damage. it changes the narrative
its especially noteworthy when those certain people with silly narratives ignore facts such as that when one side gives fair warning that the area is going to become embroiled in battle due to the rebels within the area, giving innocent people time to move, shows that the innocents are not the intended target

yes collateral damage should be avoided/minimised. innocent lives should be avoided/minimised, preventable as possible,

but to have certain people try to abuse the facts and twist them to make it sound like innocent peoples death resulted for other reasons, shows not only disrespect for those that lost their lives, by taking their loss as a opportunity to lie/ exaggerate things into further propaganda for an agenda that only benefits the rebels cause

if only these people can actually articulate that they can understand that different factions/groups/parties, both politically and militarily exist, all with different agenda's and wanting different end goals. and stop brushing them under one large rug or brushing them into one large bin. and articulate that the rebels are different then the general population of an area. then these people may realise the information they read from their preferred influencers is actually propaganda

key points:
hamas is not the same mindset and agenda as innocent Palestinians
houthis are not the same as yemeni people
HTS is not the same as al-queda

HTS want peace in syria, to rebuild syria and be part of the abraham accords where there is peace between arabs and jews and christians(and others)
al-queda want war on entire populations like america and other countries(genocide)

isreali's want peace, to rebuild and be part of the abraham accords where there is peace between jews and arabs and christians
IDF (isreali military group) want the dispersal, disbanding, removal of rebel groups such as hamas. not kill entire populations of nations/religions
hamas/houthis want war on entire populations like america and isreal and other countries(genocide)

hts are not wanting to destroy whole countries/religions
isreal are not wanting to destroy whole countries/religions

hts want to destroy/remove/disband rebel aggressors/factions
isreal want to destroy/remove/disband rebel aggressors/factions

when al-queda, houthi, hamas have history, facts, recorded incidences and current strategies of using innocent people as cannon fodder, and human shields
you have to realise that its the al-queda, houthi, hamas rebel groups that need to stand down, disband, be removed or destroyed as a faction/group.. and not to be treated as the representatives of the general population they hide within/abuse as human shields

[bitcoinqueen11]

ok just looked into this and yeah, it actually happened. trump met with ahmed al-sharaa (formerly al-jolani), the guy who used to lead HTS — which is still labeled a terrorist org by the US and others. apparently the US quietly lifted that $10 million bounty late last year, and now they're treating him like a transitional leader in post-Assad Syria.

this is wild, not just because of the history, but because it shows how fast the narrative shifts when it’s politically convenient. one minute he’s wanted for terrorism, next minute he’s getting handshakes and diplomatic deals. sanctions lifted, normalization talks, like nothing ever happened.

i get that geopolitics is messy, but this kind of move makes it hard to take any “war on terror” stuff seriously. when enemies suddenly become allies, you gotta ask what the bigger play is. feels less like peacebuilding and more like power games behind the scenes.

[franky1]

ok just looked into this and yeah, it actually happened. trump met with ahmed al-sharaa (formerly al-jolani), the guy who used to lead HTS — which is still labeled a terrorist org by the US and others. apparently the US quietly lifted that $10 million bounty late last year, and now they're treating him like a transitional leader in post-Assad Syria.

this is wild, not just because of the history, but because it shows how fast the narrative shifts when it’s politically convenient. one minute he’s wanted for terrorism, next minute he’s getting handshakes and diplomatic deals. sanctions lifted, normalization talks, like nothing ever happened.

i get that geopolitics is messy, but this kind of move makes it hard to take any “war on terror” stuff seriously. when enemies suddenly become allies, you gotta ask what the bigger play is. feels less like peacebuilding and more like power games behind the scenes.

yep messy and wild
for instance. HTS didnt do any foreign attacks purposefully on the US and instead was concentrating on internal take overs within syria, so the designations of a foreign terrorist against the US or a global terrorist need not of applied. at-most syria would have declared them a domestic terror group. but not the US declaring them a international terror group against the US

also the $10m was not for reward of performed war crimes against the US. but a info-bounty. an amount to get info on any tips IF the HTS were to plan strikes on US. which again was not HTS's goal so no point in the end having a bounty(never claimed as never planned)

the whole messiness is about the affiliations with al-queda even when HTS were not actually doing attacks that met al-queda's agenda.

this is where i feel the US have now realised that there was a big difference between HTS goals and al-queda goals so slowly over last few years have not been tarring them with the same brush but recognising their differences, which has lead to de-escalations of terror designations and such

[pooya87]

Trump clearly did negotiate with the Houthis to open up the Suez shipping lanes to safe travel for USA troops. Good.

Yemen shut down the Red Sea (and Suez Canal) on ships heading for Israel because Israel is carrying out a genocide in Gaza and as the Armed Forces of Yemen said "as long as the starvation siege on Gaza continues, the sea will be closed on them".

The Suez shipping lane has been and it still is open for everyone else.

US regime that is supporting this genocide thought they could intervene and by bombing civilian targets in Yemen they could change that policy and open the sea on Israel to help the Zionist carry out their genocide in Gaza.
Biden started this so Yemen shut the sea on all American ships as well, ships that were going through the Red Sea just fine before US regime intervention.
After the defeat of US military last year, Biden backed off.

Then Trump was installed as president and being a delusional man he thought he can perform magic and ordered resumption of terrorist attacks in Yemen. After losing 3 F-18 super hornet, a dozen MQ-9 and having 2 aircraft carriers bombed and incapacitated, having F-35 stealth bombers almost shut down by Yemeni air-defense, etc. Trump realized US military is not what they show him in holywood, so he begged for a ceasefire.

The blockade on Israel continues still and will continue as long as the Zionist terrorists are carrying out a starvation siege against Gaza.
In fact after defeating US military, and having Trump back off, Yemen has been focusing all its attention on the Israeli terrorists. All the missiles, bombs and loitering munition that were used to hit US navy is now hitting Israeli terrorist positions.
Now Yemen is also expanding the blockade into the Mediterranean and they plan on shutting down another port Israeli terrorists use to receive weapons and other resources. That's on top of the no fly zone Yemen is trying to enforce on entirety of occupied Palestine.

[franky1]

what pooya is not telling you or doesnt want to admit to
is hamas control and secure the food storage when it can arrive, they distribute the good stuff to their hamas rebel leaders and troops and then ration the rest to civilians at markets that are hyperinflating to 7x market average rate of 2024 (rice 3x, fish is 56x old market rate)

hamas are also executing anyone that tries to defy the hamas security of the food stores
yep hamas are even killing their own so called palestinian brothers

palestinians are actually now protesting against hamas, trying to get hamas to just release the food as food aid(as the UN intended)
however hamas are selling it at 7x the market rate of last year to palestinians. (in short hamas dont care about food aid just $$$)
amounts many cant afford, especially for the displaced that have no home, possessions nor job to have an income to go to market