I like to get married without having children.

[aoluain]

I dont see any issue with Kavelj22's beliefs either.

You should move from your country where its conflicting with your beliefs
to a more liberal country if you can.

In Europe where I am a lot of Millennials are of the thinking that the world and
society is so messed up that they dont want the responsibility of creating
another human. They often question the future which their child will have to endure.

Having children should be a personal choice and not a requirement, the world is
already over populated.

Finding a partner with the same beliefs will be tricky but less so in a more liberal
country I guess

[Kavelj22]

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

I don't see any issue with your beliefs. In fact, many couples in various countries have chosen not to have children, and they have their reasons. One main reason is the financial capability of both partners, due to the high cost of living, and another reason is that they enjoy their freedom and don't want to be tied down to children.

There are also women who share this belief, so there's no reason to be afraid of having these preferences. I'm sure you will find one in your country, you have to be open about what you believe

I'm not afraid to have these preferences, but imagine the alienation someone may feel with their own preferences would experience in a very conservative environment. For example, I'm agnostic, I don't tolerate procreation, and I believe in the freedom to be different. These are topics that shouldn't be discussed in my environment. Even those who share same ideas don't bring them up for discussion, and there's no organization, association, or club that could provide them with a free space. I'm sure there are women with similar orientations as me, and I've noticed this in Facebook groups. However, they all use fake profiles and distrust private communication with anyone.

I trust the opinions here on the forum, so I didn't hesitate to post this topic. Some see it as an opportunity for jokes, but the issue is serious, and many others share these preferences and have their own arguments. Overall, I've benefited from most of the opinions and have become convinced that my preferences are neither abnormal nor against nature. Procreation in a miserable reality filled with evil becomes a moral issue, not an innate inevitability.

[Zoomic]

Congratulations OP for your decision.
I once read online that you share same ideology with the WWE Champion - John Cena.
I am not saying that your decision or ideology is faulty and neither am I saying it's the best. But I like the fact that you are able to think independently. You are able to discover what you want in life and you have the power to achieve it. Expect that less than 1% will agree with you but if you have so decided, so be it.

Man was created to function as they desire but we came up with laws to ruin everything. There's no crime in finding a true partner to spend the rest of your life without having children (distraction). While you dwell in your world, there is another man who may want to commit suicide because he doesn't have a child. Then there is another man who killed his wife because she couldn't produce a male child. Weird things happen. Don't be influenced by the crowd, do what makes you happy.

[Helena Yu]

There are people who have done nothing but give birth and consider it a great achievement. They are the first to object to such views because such projects would expose their falsehood. In addition to this the people who exploit procreation to achieve their own hypocrite goals. This group is mostly women who refuse to work and produce (a dependent mentality), so they defend childbearing because it is a means of blackmail men to pay for their needs under the umbrella of taking care of his children. And let's not forget those who have children as part of a retirement plan, on the basis that when they grow up, they will find an obedient servant who will endure their disgust.

True.

You have to know this, women love money.

If you're not making a lot of money or you didn't show you're trying to make a lot of money, she will abandon you. If you already have a baby, she will blackmail you to earn more because you need to take care your baby. If not, they can easily find other person.

This might be the reason why your previous relationship failed to reach formal relationship, either have a baby or not, they always like money.

[DanWalker]

True.

You have to know this, women love money.

If you're not making a lot of money or you didn't show you're trying to make a lot of money, she will abandon you. If you already have a baby, she will blackmail you to earn more because you need to take care your baby. If not, they can easily find other person.

This might be the reason why your previous relationship failed to reach formal relationship, either have a baby or not, they always like money.

We should not equate all women as the same, they are just like men, there will be this one and that one. Not all women are greedy, selfish and only care about money, and not all men are generous and tolerant, affectionate...Gender cannot fully reflect a person's personality but it depends on education, culture, society...

No offense but don't forget your mother is a woman too. Is your mother a good person? I am sure your mother is the best mother in the world to you, because without her, you would not be here today.

I don't know what you've been through with the girls in your life but don't judge them all just because 1 or 2 girls hurt you.

[Zlantann]

I'm not afraid to have these preferences, but imagine the alienation someone may feel with their own preferences would experience in a very conservative environment. For example, I'm agnostic, I don't tolerate procreation, and I believe in the freedom to be different. These are topics that shouldn't be discussed in my environment. Even those who share same ideas don't bring them up for discussion, and there's no organization, association, or club that could provide them with a free space. I'm sure there are women with similar orientations as me, and I've noticed this in Facebook groups. However, they all use fake profiles and distrust private communication with anyone.

I trust the opinions here on the forum, so I didn't hesitate to post this topic. Some see it as an opportunity for jokes, but the issue is serious, and many others share these preferences and have their own arguments. Overall, I've benefited from most of the opinions and have become convinced that my preferences are neither abnormal nor against nature. Procreation in a miserable reality filled with evil becomes a moral issue, not an innate inevitability.

I also live in a conservative society where procreation is a must. Couples are expected to have children within almost two years of marriage. Your family members would start asking questions if you don't have children within these few years. You could be seen as someone who is having a mental disorder if you ever tell people that you don't have children. You can even be ostracized from the family or community if they find out that you don't want children.

My suggestion is that you should find a woman that shares thesame ideology with you. You might be lucky you find one that has fertility problems or can't bear children. You and your wife could also be using contraceptives to avoid pregnancy. You don't need to tell anyone that you don't have children, just pretend that you are trying to impregnate your wife but the baby is not forthcoming. There are many childless couples in my country, people just assume that they are barren. We don't know if they decided not to have children.

[BADecker]

I agree with freedom for all people. However, sometimes people use their freedom to do things that harm themselves and those around them. Whatever choices we make, we have to live with having made them... even if we make changes in the future.

Something like 95% of women are torn between having children and their husband's wishes... even if they don't formally marry the guy. The other 5% are simply built with a certain kind of strength that may be weaknesses in some ways.

[Helena Yu]

We should not equate all women as the same, they are just like men, there will be this one and that one. Not all women are greedy, selfish and only care about money, and not all men are generous and tolerant, affectionate...Gender cannot fully reflect a person's personality but it depends on education, culture, society...

The problem of men is cheating, but even though they cheat with other partners, they still being responsible with their wife and baby. For me, bad men are better than bad women.

No offense but don't forget your mother is a woman too. Is your mother a good person? I am sure your mother is the best mother in the world to you, because without her, you would not be here today.

Fortunately my parent are good people and they raise me well, but not all people have a good parent, even our parent are the reason why we exist, but many child choose to not born due to how bad their parent.

Anyway, the past and the present are different, women now have very high standard due to social medias when they can't offer anything except their body.

I don't know what you've been through with the girls in your life but don't judge them all just because 1 or 2 girls hurt you.

Yeah not all women are like that, but someone like that always be women.

[Spaceman1000$]

I don't like having children. It's easy and doesn't require much philosophizing and interpretation. For this reason, most of my relationships with women have failed to develop into a formal relationship. For me, marriage is all about finding a true life partner to share our ups and downs, and that's enough. Just as I don't like to be tied down to someone who is too attached to her family, I also don't like having children who might one day tire me out or whose rights I might have neglected. Don't call me a "pessimist," because I know circumstances change, and what's best for me today isn't guaranteed tomorrow, no matter how many guarantees there are. These are personal beliefs and preferences, and unfortunately, it doesn't seem like there are women who share my perspective, and most, if not all, consider marriage as a means of procreation.

Are there women who share this perspective? Where or how can I find one? (I know this is bitcointalk not tinder hhh). Why should the concept of commitment extend to procreation as if it were a natural outcome when we are the ones who decide that?

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

As a human being, it is within your right to have this kind of idea you are sharing now, but the problem lies with finding a woman that will share the same ideology with you, because the idea of marriage for most women out there is for procreation and for companionship, so finding a woman that will live with you or get married with you without procreation will be difficult to find. So i will advise whenever you resolved to have children you will spend time with and take care of, there and then you should nurture the idea of getting married.

The exception you can have is for probably women that have entered into their menopause and are no longer productive, but to see a woman in a prime that will go with this idea of yours might be difficult.

[Obulis]

This is personal approach and perspective to life I guess @0P?
This kind of mindset is not without direct or indirect influence known or unknown!!
Some how very painful to have a date who became a wife, knows her conception predicament but didn't say until a doctor now reveals it as though new but some thing she already knew... On condition like this no matter the pain one can think of alternatives as the case may be or even go on not having offspring...

On the other going into marriage with the intent of not having offspring? Well you can go for medically proved menopause lady (lolz😃)   and there could be ladies ready for that (maybe she knowing her predicament would accept such terms) because even with pregnancy prevention drugs sometimes pregnancy enters and menopause at times reverses.


Checkout your personal desires which could be the road block here...

[Accardo]

I've seen US women on social media who follow similar ideology, but one thing with life and women in general is change, the same lady that accepted not to make babies could switch her mind someday and disturb you that all she cares about is having a baby. While you have your reasons always be sure of who you choose to do this, as marriage is a life long journey. Why not have one baby? 

[Agbamoni]

I don't like having children.

Then don't..

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

Everyone has the right to live their life the want they want to. If your personal decision is to get married but not have children, that is okay. However, in my cultures when you marry it often comes with an expectation of having children. If that kind of pressure will force you into choices you don't want, it will be better to rethink the idea of going into marriage in the first place.

[Helena Yu]

If that kind of pressure will force you into choices you don't want, it will be better to rethink the idea of going into marriage in the first place.

Do you mean it's better for @OP to just stay in casual relationship?

Pretty sure people will judge him "you guys have been in relationship for 5 years, when you will get married?", "I feel pity for your girlfriend, she has been with you for 5 years and yet you're not serious with her" etc.

I would say it's better for @OP to get married without having a baby instead of staying in casual relationship.

[Agbamoni]

If that kind of pressure will force you into choices you don't want, it will be better to rethink the idea of going into marriage in the first place.

I would say it's better for @OP to get married without having a baby instead of staying in casual relationship.

There is a commitment in marriage, where the man and woman are not allowed to give birth outside the marriage. Now, OP does not want a child what if the wife wants a child. Even after agreeing to OP point of view she might have a changed of mind in the future. Because of the commitment she wont want to cheat outside so she has to file for a divorce and get married to someone else. This will cause a lot of catastrophe between his family and that of his wife. I think it is preferable to be in an open relationship.

[DanWalker]

The problem of men is cheating, but even though they cheat with other partners, they still being responsible with their wife and baby. For me, bad men are better than bad women.

Whether men or women, once they have an affair, it means they have betrayed their love. They are bad guys and have forgotten their duties as husbands and fathers because that will break up the family, their children will not have the complete happiness of a real family. If they were responsible, they wouldn't have let that happen, so any excuses are unacceptable and won't change their mistake.

I don't know what you've been through with the girls in your life but don't judge them all just because 1 or 2 girls hurt you.

Yeah not all women are like that, but someone like that always be women.

Maybe you come from a country where the majority of rich people are men, and women are undervalued and treated worse. But if you are in my country or many other developed countries where there are many successful and rich women, there are also many men who only know how to cling to women's skirts to make a living. In the end, the bad guys are always men.

[Dunamisx]

I don't like having children. It's easy and doesn't require much philosophizing and interpretation. For this reason, most of my relationships with women have failed to develop into a formal relationship.

It will always fail because not every woman will accept going by the mentality of you both not having children, they will prefer a man that can be a father to them and the children, most of the ladies that will say that they don't like children are mostly on the street or single mothers, who will also say that they only like children but not a husband.

For me, marriage is all about finding a true life partner to share our ups and downs, and that's enough.

This is never enough for marriage, we got married to help fulfill our obligations as a man being responsible for ourself and the partner we got married to, secondly, to be able to replicate the same kind of our generation by giving birth to children who will take after us, just the same way our own parents gave birth to us.

[Kavelj22]

If that kind of pressure will force you into choices you don't want, it will be better to rethink the idea of going into marriage in the first place.

I live in a conservative Islamic society, and it's not part of its culture for a man and woman to live together in a free relationship without the formal commitment of marriage. While there are those who prefer free relationships, they live in big cities where it's overcrowded and no one cares about each other. However, they're always wary that their families might discover the story or that someone might notice and exploit it to blackmail them. A few years ago, in one of the major cities, the police would raid apartments rented by male students, and if they found a single girl, they would accuse them of prostitution. This was similar to the morality police. However, these practices have now ceased, but the culture of society still rejects a man and woman living together without marriage.

Personally, I don't see any problem with being in an open relationship with a woman, but I fear social stigma for both me and her, as my reputation in society is a primary criterion in a conservative Eastern environment, and I imagine most of you can understand this. The whole point is that I want to live with a woman who will be a life partner without having children. Society and families won't ask too much about not having children, and I can then respond that this is God's will, then everyone will remain silent convainced.

As for the question, "Why don't you want to have children?" You can always consider it a matter of personal preference, and I'm not required to give lengthy explanations.
All I can say is that I adopt the philosophy of anti-natalism and believe it is unfair to bring more victims to this already overcrowded world. I reiterate that this does not mean that those who have children are wrong. Each of us has our own convictions and principles, and I don't believe I'm offending anyone with these convictions, including the wife I'm seeking, because she will know this from the bigenning and accept it as a basic condition for marriage and living together. I'm not interested in passing on my genes, nor do I care much about the continuation of the human race. This has never been part of my beliefs, and it never will be.

[Agbamoni]

Each of us has our own convictions and principles, and I don't believe I'm offending anyone with these convictions, including the wife I'm seeking, because she will know this from the bigenning and accept it as a basic condition for marriage and living together.

Basically we all have the right to make our own decision in life without giving a fuck what the society thinks. I understand you very much more than anyone in this thread that is why I feel yo might want to have a change of mind at some point but it is clear how rooted this decisions is to you. And I respect you for that.

Kavelj22 I once had an anti-marriage ideology when reaching adult - age. I feel marriage is over hyped and overrated but with time I tend to give relationship a try then I figured out that if you are with someone who is submissive and wants the same thing you want you can succeed in marriage. Now you stand on your belief but time shall tell if re-consider having children. Best of luck buddy!

[Salahmu]

I also live in a conservative society where procreation is a must. Couples are expected to have children within almost two years of marriage. Your family members would start asking questions if you don't have children within these few years. You could be seen as someone who is having a mental disorder if you ever tell people that you don't have children. You can even be ostracized from the family or community if they find out that you don't want children.

Is funny to see how some certain condition of living will compelled someone to make a decision even when they never intend to do it, though it doesn't necessarily mean the system will force you but because of internal factors like parents and also sometimes external openion towards it,  just like you i also lived in a place were having it is the key factor of marriage and it became more of a custom in every marriage, so they never adhere to any believe of a man or the woman deciding they will not have any children  because there understanding is that before a man and woman come together to become one they are ready to have all that's accompanied by marriage, so from this region almost all the women detest men who have that believe because they see the person as someone who has a  physical challenge or psychological problem.

[coin-investor]

Btw, i live in arabic country with conservative culture. Marriage and having children is a must for everybody and people don't even dare to discuss such topics. What do you think guys?

Even though you lived in an Arab country, we are all one; we are living in a new generation, a generation that is open to all feelings and beliefs. You are not unique in your ideas.

I have many neighbors who are living without children, either by choice or circumstances, and they are happy and okay with it.
 
The most important thing is that you follow what you believe in as long as it does not cause harm to your fellow human beings.