Betfury cancelled $300,000 worth of bets

[ziportan]

Lol i dont know why would anyone take this "bitcoingirl" person seriously. Reading just a few of his posts is enough to comprehend that hes not right in his mind. Keeps showing a serious effort to accuse bettors for no reason for years. Just ignore the poor guy

[AHOYBRAUSE]

LOL, what is this nonsense reply, honestly. Generous, haha. What should he be grateful for? That he got his wager back? Once a site accepts a bet they should honor it, plain and simple. A player doesn't have the chance to cancel a bet, even when he made a mistake in for example choosing the wrong wager amount or something. Nothing was wrong with the games he bet on. Also, there were games in his parley that already won, don't you get that? So they cancelled winning bets.

Sometimes it's better to post nothing instead of just posting absolute nonsense.  

Excuse me, have we even had a discussion before, a friendly one or an intense one. Your attitude is wrong towards a stranger. Do I even know you? I don't think so. I will appreciate a civilized conversation than this kind of arrogant attitude.

Somebody that posts such nonsense doesn't earn respect. Arrogant attitude huh. You tell OP he should be grateful to get his stake back, how far from reality are you living. If this happened to you I am 100% convinced you would go on a crazy rant in here, I can tell from the way you are posting here.
Anyway, you are wrong, betfury (and their odds provider) is wrong, plain and simple. They way they treat this case is plain disrespect!

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Ok.  Please stop posting your off topic lies in my threads.   

You better read: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5548394.msg65557757#msg65557757

Somebody that posts such nonsense doesn't earn respect. Arrogant attitude huh. You tell OP he should be grateful to get his stake back, how far from reality are you living. If this happened to you I am 100% convinced you would go on a crazy rant in here, I can tell from the way you are posting here.
Anyway, you are wrong, betfury (and their odds provider) is wrong, plain and simple. They way they treat this case is plain disrespect!

People can have different opinions but that should not make one to lose communication basics.
You must be born and brought up in a slam. It seems your parents did not have enough facilities to send you in school to educate manners, if so then you are unfortunate and I feel sorry for you. We have nothing to discuss between us since you do not meet a decent standard. Please find space in somewhere else.

A good way to look at it is if a person had a 10 team multi. If the last game gets cancelled by the book or any other reason, it doesn't wipe out those 9 wins. Every book would cancel the last bet if that were the case.

Yes, you are right if you look at that way but here this did not happen. They cancelled the whole slip if I am not wrong.

[Vod]

Lol i dont know why would anyone take this "bitcoingirl" person seriously. Reading just a few of his posts is enough to comprehend that hes not right in his mind. Keeps showing a serious effort to accuse bettors for no reason for years. Just ignore the poor guy

I do ignore him when he stays in less relevant threads like this.  I tried many times in the past to have intelligent conversation, but sadly mental issues are in the way.  

Having a discussion with a mental patient is waste of time.

I'm not trying to discuss anything with you.   Stay on topic please.

Make me, can you?

Done.  You can no longer post in my new threads.  

[holydarkness]

Uhh, to be sure we're on the same page, I understand by "batter" you're referring to "bettor", thus, the player? If you are, then: yes.

To clarify, the multi-bets were cancelled by the casino and there were no winnings as the event [that should be won by the player suppose the casino did not cancel it by themselves] "were not finished".

We are on the same page, I meant "bettor"
When a bet is cancelled [void] then the stakes should be returned. Has he got the stakes returned?

Yes, according to both the OP and the contact I am in touch with,

What happened: Betfury has cancelled open bets that would win ~$400k. They have refunded the value of the initial bets which was ~$100k. [...]

Betfury has only refunded the initial bets which amounted to just over $100k.[...]

[...] If any of those unsettled selections of the OPs betslips were wrong selection and for the same reason [whatever it was] if the bookmaker would return his stake [making the slip void] then we would not see this topic in the first place. Do you agree with this?

Uhh... I'll have to say no, for the fact that the case exist despite the stakes being returned. The problem we're trying to solve here is not the bets voided alongside with the stakes. The stakes were returned. There's no problem in that.

It was the multi-bets got cancelled by the casino, where --far as I know [and by that I mean I've raked their ToS]-- there is no clause that justify them to cancel bets from their side. If a match got cancelled because of a a riot happened, or a blizzard, or the moon suddenly decided to land on us, or Ronald Weasley cast that slug-vomitting spell on the players, then yes, I think the multi-bets will rightfully be cancelled as the match didn't meet its end.

The problem with OP here was: all of his multi-bet reached their end. He should have won, suppose the bets were not cancelled by the casino.


Uhh... OP, dplay, help me understand, walk me through your shoes and help me see through your eyes, how did you place your bets? Why do you think, in your wildest imagination [and please be fair on this], that the casino considered your betting preference as something worth flagged?

I am not accusing you, nor trying to find a way to invalidate your dispute [in case that idea ever crossed anyone's mind], I am trying to understand your situation immersively, so I can be "you" and see if the casino's call is justified and/or what to say as rebuttal.

[Rating Place]

Holy- the only time that I’ve been jumping in on cases lately are when they are very easy.

1. In a multi, if any games get cancelled, all other bets are good. If you look at rules some call multis parlays.

2. You are taking these flags too seriously. Most players have no idea why they are flagged and shouldn’t have to answer. Let the book make a charge because these flags are irrelevant.

✅ Summary of Parlay Rules on BetFury
Scenario   Result for Parlay
Event canceled/postponed before start   Leg is voided, parlay recalculates with remaining legs
Event starts then suspended but resumes soon   Bet stands if resumed within allowed timeframe
Single-leg parlay + canceled game   Entire bet voided, stake refunded

💡 Key Takeaways
Leg voided → parlay shrinks. If one game is canceled, only that selection is removed.

Single-leg → fully refunded. If your parlay consisted of one game and it's canceled, you get your stake back.

Check resumption windows. Watches sport-specific resumption times to know if the bet stands or gets voided.

For the most accurate and updated details, always check BetFury’s Sports Betting Terms & Conditions,

General Industry Parlay Rules for Canceled Games
Most sportsbooks, as detailed in multiple sources, handle canceled games in parlays as follows:

Removal of Canceled Leg:
If a game in a parlay is canceled (e.g., due to weather, injuries, or other unforeseen circumstances), the specific leg associated with that game is typically voided or removed from the parlay.
For example, a five-game parlay with one canceled game becomes a four-game parlay. The odds are recalculated based on the remaining legs, and the potential payout is adjusted downward accordingly.

[dplay]

A good way to look at it is if a person had a 10 team multi. If the last game gets cancelled by the book or any other reason, it doesn't wipe out those 9 wins. Every book would cancel the last bet if that were the case.

Yes, you are right if you look at that way but here this did not happen. They cancelled the whole slip if I am not wrong.

That's exactly what happened. They canceled all my slips. Some of them already had 3/4 winners, waiting for the 4th game to be played.

Uhh... OP, dplay, help me understand, walk me through your shoes and help me see through your eyes, how did you place your bets? Why do you think, in your wildest imagination [and please be fair on this], that the casino considered your betting preference as something worth flagged?

I am not accusing you, nor trying to find a way to invalidate your dispute [in case that idea ever crossed anyone's mind], I am trying to understand your situation immersively, so I can be "you" and see if the casino's call is justified and/or what to say as rebuttal.

I mean you all see my bets, all of them are on big leagues, all parleys (up to 10 legs). I've been with them for maybe about a year at that point, and I've pretty much gambled the same way throughout. If there's any merit to them flagging my account, I'm sure they'd be quite vocal about it and point out in which ways I've been an unfair player, but they have nothing.

I've had quite a nice streak and won quite a bit of money in the couple of months prior to the bets cancellation, in those situations the sportsbook are tempted to do something about your account. It's a fairly common business model, just confiscate the cash of your biggest winners and it becomes quite easy to run a profitable shop.

[holydarkness]

I mean you all see my bets, all of them are on big leagues, all parleys (up to 10 legs). I've been with them for maybe about a year at that point, and I've pretty much gambled the same way throughout. If there's any merit to them flagging my account, I'm sure they'd be quite vocal about it and point out in which ways I've been an unfair player, but they have nothing.

I've had quite a nice streak and won quite a bit of money in the couple of months prior to the bets cancellation, in those situations the sportsbook are tempted to do something about your account. It's a fairly common business model, just confiscate the cash of your biggest winners and it becomes quite easy to run a profitable shop.

Yes, my thought exactly: if it's about a flag for --let's say-- arbing or syndicate betting or fixed match, they'll already be very vocal about it. But they didn't mention any of provider flagging you. Thus, safe to say, not arbing or other things that come from the provider. And it'll be safe to assume fixed match is not in the book either. Hence, the question, if you perhaps have any idea of what this is about?

Do you mind to perhaps tell me the strategy you use on placing those bets? How you pick the matches? Why you choose what and when and how. Anything you can tell us about your betting preference and strategy. Like... you bet last minutes [I heard this can be an issue too] perhaps?

[Rating Place]

I mean you all see my bets, all of them are on big leagues, all parleys (up to 10 legs). I've been with them for maybe about a year at that point, and I've pretty much gambled the same way throughout. If there's any merit to them flagging my account, I'm sure they'd be quite vocal about it and point out in which ways I've been an unfair player, but they have nothing.

I've had quite a nice streak and won quite a bit of money in the couple of months prior to the bets cancellation, in those situations the sportsbook are tempted to do something about your account. It's a fairly common business model, just confiscate the cash of your biggest winners and it becomes quite easy to run a profitable shop.

Yes, my thought exactly: if it's about a flag for --let's say-- arbing or syndicate betting or fixed match, they'll already be very vocal about it. But they didn't mention any of provider flagging you. Thus, safe to say, not arbing or other things that come from the provider. And it'll be safe to assume fixed match is not in the book either. Hence, the question, if you perhaps have any idea of what this is about?

Do you mind to perhaps tell me the strategy you use on placing those bets? How you pick the matches? Why you choose what and when and how. Anything you can tell us about your betting preference and strategy. Like... you bet last minutes [I heard this can be an issue too] perhaps?

Since you are playing lawyer for the attorney, I’ll play lawyer for the OP.

1. OP played parlays in major markets. This alone tells you that none of what you posted could show any guilt.
2. When you bet parlays, you aren’t going to find 4 teams that are syndicate plays at the same time with value on all.
3. His plays says he’s not part of a syndicate. Most likely he’d be betting singles so there’s no way for BetFury to even think that
4. Impossible to arb parlays. Even if he did, why are you asking? BetFury didn’t accuse that.
5. Why does it matter when he placed the bet? You aren’t finding the best lines on parlays. The best line on all 4 doesn’t sync,
6. The OP is either good or lucky.
7. This is why you always look at betslips. They can tell the story with one look.
8. If you are going to make a rebuttal, then you need to know the accusation first.

[dplay]

1. OP played parlays in major markets. This alone tells you that none of what you posted could show any guilt.
2. When you bet parlays, you aren’t going to find 4 teams that are syndicate plays at the same time with value on all.
3. His plays says he’s not part of a syndicate. Most likely he’d be betting singles so there’s no way for BetFury to even think that
4. Impossible to arb parlays. Even if he did, why are you asking? BetFury didn’t accuse that.
5. Why does it matter when he placed the bet? You aren’t finding the best lines on parlays. The best line on all 4 doesn’t sync,
6. The OP is either good or lucky.
7. This is why you always look at betslips. They can tell the story with one look.
8. If you are going to make a rebuttal, then you need to know the accusation first.

Straight on point.

Yes, my thought exactly: if it's about a flag for --let's say-- arbing or syndicate betting or fixed match, they'll already be very vocal about it. But they didn't mention any of provider flagging you. Thus, safe to say, not arbing or other things that come from the provider. And it'll be safe to assume fixed match is not in the book either. Hence, the question, if you perhaps have any idea of what this is about?

Do you mind to perhaps tell me the strategy you use on placing those bets? How you pick the matches? Why you choose what and when and how. Anything you can tell us about your betting preference and strategy. Like... you bet last minutes [I heard this can be an issue too] perhaps?

Ratings Place explained it in the above post much better than I could. I wasn't betting on in-play singles on Vietnamese 2nd league. I was placing multis on big leagues. If there's a way to rob a sportsbook playing like that I'd also like to know how it can be done.

[holydarkness]

Yes, my thought exactly: if it's about a flag for --let's say-- arbing or syndicate betting or fixed match, they'll already be very vocal about it. But they didn't mention any of provider flagging you. Thus, safe to say, not arbing or other things that come from the provider. And it'll be safe to assume fixed match is not in the book either. Hence, the question, if you perhaps have any idea of what this is about?

Do you mind to perhaps tell me the strategy you use on placing those bets? How you pick the matches? Why you choose what and when and how. Anything you can tell us about your betting preference and strategy. Like... you bet last minutes [I heard this can be an issue too] perhaps?

Ratings Place explained it in the above post much better than I could. I wasn't betting on in-play singles on Vietnamese 2nd league. I was placing multis on big leagues. If there's a way to rob a sportsbook playing like that I'd also like to know how it can be done.

And that is what I am trying to achieve here: an understanding from your POV, of what betting preference you take, so I can make a proper rebuttal and/or validate or invalidate what the casino throw. If you can help me with that, it'll be very much appreciated as it'll make what I am trying to do very much easier.

So far, we've established that arbing is not in the book. It's clearly stated on my previous post, so I am not sure why it's still being pointed out on point 4. Why does it matter when you placed a bet? Well, there was a case where a player did late-bets, namely when they know a situation would very much likely to occur. I don't remember the details of the case or what late-event was on bet, but if I may give an illustration, it might goes like: "Manchester United V. Chelsea, red card on 1st half." And you placed bet of it, seconds before well... whoever on Man Utd right now tackled someone on Chelsea that will surely grant them a red card as he's already on yellow.

So, again, if you don't mind to help me understand your betting preference so I can be in your shoes when I talk with the casino, it will be very much appreciated, as I am actively trying my best to argue your situation to the casino.

[Rating Place]

Yes, my thought exactly: if it's about a flag for --let's say-- arbing or syndicate betting or fixed match, they'll already be very vocal about it. But they didn't mention any of provider flagging you. Thus, safe to say, not arbing or other things that come from the provider. And it'll be safe to assume fixed match is not in the book either. Hence, the question, if you perhaps have any idea of what this is about?

Do you mind to perhaps tell me the strategy you use on placing those bets? How you pick the matches? Why you choose what and when and how. Anything you can tell us about your betting preference and strategy. Like... you bet last minutes [I heard this can be an issue too] perhaps?

Ratings Place explained it in the above post much better than I could. I wasn't betting on in-play singles on Vietnamese 2nd league. I was placing multis on big leagues. If there's a way to rob a sportsbook playing like that I'd also like to know how it can be done.

And that is what I am trying to achieve here: an understanding from your POV, of what betting preference you take, so I can make a proper rebuttal and/or validate or invalidate what the casino throw. If you can help me with that, it'll be very much appreciated as it'll make what I am trying to do very much easier.

So far, we've established that arbing is not in the book. It's clearly stated on my previous post, so I am not sure why it's still being pointed out on point 4. Why does it matter when you placed a bet? Well, there was a case where a player did late-bets, namely when they know a situation would very much likely to occur. I don't remember the details of the case or what late-event was on bet, but if I may give an illustration, it might goes like: "Manchester United V. Chelsea, red card on 1st half." And you placed bet of it, seconds before well... whoever on Man Utd right now tackled someone on Chelsea that will surely grant them a red card as he's already on yellow.

So, again, if you don't mind to help me understand your betting preference so I can be in your shoes when I talk with the casino, it will be very much appreciated, as I am actively trying my best to argue your situation to the casino.

holy- they have to make an accusation, then you can answer. What is the accusation by Bet Fury? If you interrogate the OP, you are the lawyer for Bet Fury. You are making it a deposition.

If you want to put yourself in the mind of the OP, he’s thinking, what did I do wrong.

[ziportan]

its crazy to be asked to prove that you are not wrong in every single aspect, rather than asking the bookie wtf is the accusation in the first place. they shouldnt be able to say `theres something wrong so we ll not pay` anymore

[holydarkness]

its crazy to be asked to prove that you are not wrong in every single aspect, rather than asking the bookie wtf is the accusation in the first place. they shouldnt be able to say `theres something wrong so we ll not pay` anymore

Let's table this for now, and I'll explain in due time. I believe... well, hope, you, as someone who have an first-hand experience of when I am bridging something [or basically everyone here who oversee cases neutrally and see me through an unbiased lens, really] knows why I ask questions.


OP, dplay, I can see you online, again. I really appreciate if you can be more attentive to the matter and put effort to engage more with me. If I may be frank, I talk with several casinos at once on daily basis. If you just read and went sillent for whatever reason, your case can easily be pushed to the back of my mind as I communicated other things and other cases with other casinos [or perhaps even the same casino], and situation like before will happen.

To put it simply, the faster you help me understand from your POV, the faster I can be in your shoes and, once I understand the matter from both perspective, argue to the casino for you and find an outcome.

[Rating Place]

its crazy to be asked to prove that you are not wrong in every single aspect, rather than asking the bookie wtf is the accusation in the first place. they shouldnt be able to say `theres something wrong so we ll not pay` anymore

Let's table this for now, and I'll explain in due time. I believe... well, hope, you, as someone who have an first-hand experience of when I am bridging something [or basically everyone here who oversee cases neutrally and see me through an unbiased lens, really] knows why I ask questions.


OP, dplay, I can see you online, again. I really appreciate if you can be more attentive to the matter and put effort to engage more with me. If I may be frank, I talk with several casinos at once on daily basis. If you just read and went sillent for whatever reason, your case can easily be pushed to the back of my mind as I communicated other things and other cases with other casinos [or perhaps even the same casino], and situation like before will happen.

To put it simply, the faster you help me understand from your POV, the faster I can be in your shoes and, once I understand the matter from both perspective, argue to the casino for you and find an outcome.

I did these arbitration cases a lot longer than you. The casino makes an allegation with proof. Then the player replies to discredit that proof.

[dplay]

its crazy to be asked to prove that you are not wrong in every single aspect, rather than asking the bookie wtf is the accusation in the first place. they shouldnt be able to say `theres something wrong so we ll not pay` anymore

Let's table this for now, and I'll explain in due time. I believe... well, hope, you, as someone who have an first-hand experience of when I am bridging something [or basically everyone here who oversee cases neutrally and see me through an unbiased lens, really] knows why I ask questions.


OP, dplay, I can see you online, again. I really appreciate if you can be more attentive to the matter and put effort to engage more with me. If I may be frank, I talk with several casinos at once on daily basis. If you just read and went sillent for whatever reason, your case can easily be pushed to the back of my mind as I communicated other things and other cases with other casinos [or perhaps even the same casino], and situation like before will happen.

To put it simply, the faster you help me understand from your POV, the faster I can be in your shoes and, once I understand the matter from both perspective, argue to the casino for you and find an outcome.

I understand you're trying to build a steelman version of both positions. But I've been fully transparent about my bets, I've posted screenshots and I'm not really quite sure how to further contribute to the discussion. If someone sees anything wrong from the bets I posted please tell. And no, I've never taken any questionable bets as that example you described. I think this is a case where I've won too much money in too short of a time period so the casino got mad.

I'm also replying to the posts whenever I see them, it's in my interest to do so. It happens that I refresh the thread but don't get around to reading the replies or replying myself as I'm doing other stuff as well.

[Rating Place]

its crazy to be asked to prove that you are not wrong in every single aspect, rather than asking the bookie wtf is the accusation in the first place. they shouldnt be able to say `theres something wrong so we ll not pay` anymore

Let's table this for now, and I'll explain in due time. I believe... well, hope, you, as someone who have an first-hand experience of when I am bridging something [or basically everyone here who oversee cases neutrally and see me through an unbiased lens, really] knows why I ask questions.


OP, dplay, I can see you online, again. I really appreciate if you can be more attentive to the matter and put effort to engage more with me. If I may be frank, I talk with several casinos at once on daily basis. If you just read and went sillent for whatever reason, your case can easily be pushed to the back of my mind as I communicated other things and other cases with other casinos [or perhaps even the same casino], and situation like before will happen.

To put it simply, the faster you help me understand from your POV, the faster I can be in your shoes and, once I understand the matter from both perspective, argue to the casino for you and find an outcome.

I understand you're trying to build a steelman version of both positions. But I've been fully transparent about my bets, I've posted screenshots and I'm not really quite sure how to further contribute to the discussion. If someone sees anything wrong from the bets I posted please tell. And no, I've never taken any questionable bets as that example you described. I think this is a case where I've won too much money in too short of a time period so the casino got mad.

I'm also replying to the posts whenever I see them, it's in my interest to do so. It happens that I refresh the thread but don't get around to reading the replies or replying myself as I'm doing other stuff as well.

This is another 5 second case. If Bet Fury has no proof of wrong-doing then you are innocent.

[holydarkness]

OP, dplay, I can see you online, again. I really appreciate if you can be more attentive to the matter and put effort to engage more with me. If I may be frank, I talk with several casinos at once on daily basis. If you just read and went sillent for whatever reason, your case can easily be pushed to the back of my mind as I communicated other things and other cases with other casinos [or perhaps even the same casino], and situation like before will happen.

To put it simply, the faster you help me understand from your POV, the faster I can be in your shoes and, once I understand the matter from both perspective, argue to the casino for you and find an outcome.

I understand you're trying to build a steelman version of both positions. But I've been fully transparent about my bets, I've posted screenshots and I'm not really quite sure how to further contribute to the discussion. If someone sees anything wrong from the bets I posted please tell. And no, I've never taken any questionable bets as that example you described. I think this is a case where I've won too much money in too short of a time period so the casino got mad.

I'm also replying to the posts whenever I see them, it's in my interest to do so. It happens that I refresh the thread but don't get around to reading the replies or replying myself as I'm doing other stuff as well.

Thank you for understanding what I am trying to achieve here.

Let me try to pull other "stunt" as above matter brings us nowhere... at least not to the point I am trying to achieve. I'm not sure the casino is willing, because TBH and IIRC, yours is the first case I am handling and "bridging" with them, so they probably are not as confident as other casinos in sharing details with me. But suppose they're willing, do you give me further and every consent to share details of your account with me?

[Rating Place]

OP, dplay, I can see you online, again. I really appreciate if you can be more attentive to the matter and put effort to engage more with me. If I may be frank, I talk with several casinos at once on daily basis. If you just read and went sillent for whatever reason, your case can easily be pushed to the back of my mind as I communicated other things and other cases with other casinos [or perhaps even the same casino], and situation like before will happen.

To put it simply, the faster you help me understand from your POV, the faster I can be in your shoes and, once I understand the matter from both perspective, argue to the casino for you and find an outcome.

I understand you're trying to build a steelman version of both positions. But I've been fully transparent about my bets, I've posted screenshots and I'm not really quite sure how to further contribute to the discussion. If someone sees anything wrong from the bets I posted please tell. And no, I've never taken any questionable bets as that example you described. I think this is a case where I've won too much money in too short of a time period so the casino got mad.

I'm also replying to the posts whenever I see them, it's in my interest to do so. It happens that I refresh the thread but don't get around to reading the replies or replying myself as I'm doing other stuff as well.

Thank you for understanding what I am trying to achieve here.

Let me try to pull other "stunt" as above matter brings us nowhere... at least not to the point I am trying to achieve. I'm not sure the casino is willing, because TBH and IIRC, yours is the first case I am handling and "bridging" with them, so they probably are not as confident as other casinos in sharing details with me. But suppose they're willing, do you give me further and every consent to share details of your account with me?

You're learning.

1. Ask permission.
2. Ask the book which rule was broken.
3. Look it over to see if it holds any credibility.
4. Ask the player to look at the proof and show why it's wrong.

edit - Forgot to add, don't believe everything that the book says. They will falsify information and I don't care if they are huge.

[dplay]

OP, dplay, I can see you online, again. I really appreciate if you can be more attentive to the matter and put effort to engage more with me. If I may be frank, I talk with several casinos at once on daily basis. If you just read and went sillent for whatever reason, your case can easily be pushed to the back of my mind as I communicated other things and other cases with other casinos [or perhaps even the same casino], and situation like before will happen.

To put it simply, the faster you help me understand from your POV, the faster I can be in your shoes and, once I understand the matter from both perspective, argue to the casino for you and find an outcome.

I understand you're trying to build a steelman version of both positions. But I've been fully transparent about my bets, I've posted screenshots and I'm not really quite sure how to further contribute to the discussion. If someone sees anything wrong from the bets I posted please tell. And no, I've never taken any questionable bets as that example you described. I think this is a case where I've won too much money in too short of a time period so the casino got mad.

I'm also replying to the posts whenever I see them, it's in my interest to do so. It happens that I refresh the thread but don't get around to reading the replies or replying myself as I'm doing other stuff as well.

Thank you for understanding what I am trying to achieve here.

Let me try to pull other "stunt" as above matter brings us nowhere... at least not to the point I am trying to achieve. I'm not sure the casino is willing, because TBH and IIRC, yours is the first case I am handling and "bridging" with them, so they probably are not as confident as other casinos in sharing details with me. But suppose they're willing, do you give me further and every consent to share details of your account with me?

I'm not comfortable with sharing private details of my account including name, email etc. I also don't see how that's relevant to the case.

I'm perfectly willing to share every detail regarding to betting and I don't think the sportsbook needs my permission to make any wrongdoing on my side public, which I'm sure they would if they had anything of substance. They're not under an NDA of any kind. They don't need my permission to defend their own reputation. Also nothing is stopping them from communicating with you and saying "the player abused the sporstbook in such an such a way, but we'd need explicit consent of the player to discuss it further".

I'd also like to remind you that they've paid out the rest of my balance which was significant. If they had a legit claim they would have confiscated it.

This is another 5 second case. If Bet Fury has no proof of wrong-doing then you are innocent.

100%. But I'm trying to play along as much as I can as holy is trying to engage them. If they refuse to play that will further damage their reputation. And, after a while, if chasing them around on forums and affiliate sites and social media doesn't pay off I'll go the legal route.