Request a new Definition for Merit Sources every 3 Month !

[Lafu]

As the Title are already explain this Request about the Merit Sources (As there are a lot not active and have left the Forum) it would be nice to hear your Opinion about that !

For sure there will be some active Merit Sources pissed about that Idea here and it should be clear that i have nothing personal against them.

In the first line this post and thread goes to our admin theymos.

theymos you are the one that change and decide who are have the ability to who are can and be a Merit Source for the best outcome for the Forum.
There are many not active anymore and also a few passed away ( God Bless them )

There are made nothing in the last years even there was a lot of applications to getting a Merit Source.
So maybe look at this applications that was done in the past or maybe change someting.

My idea here comes from all that applications in the past , and maybe we can see something like we have on the Default Trust 1 List.
So it could coosen at some kind of pool and change ever 3 Month.

So it depends on how active a Merit Source is or what every you are consider to impliment for that.

With all that the rotation of Merit Sources should be changed every 3 Month.

I dont know how others see that but that is just an Idea for Merit Sources.

[Churchillvv]

Changing of merit sources every three months or according to your words "rotation" in my opinion it's a whole lot of stress for absolutely nothing.

Becoming a source has some kind of trust that one has so rotation or changing every 3 months means even those who Theymos think doesn't deserve it will have it right ? except you're saying he should have a list of already existing merit sources and new sources to rotate it amongst them.

Additionally, I only agree with one fact here which is since some merit sources are dormant (inactive) the positions can be scrapped for now however employing new ones.

Amongst all the merit source, the only merit source that his impact is noticeable within the time of inactivity is (in loving memories) O_e_I_e_o.

I haven't really noticed anyone else except him.

[Lafu]

Changing of merit sources every three months or according to your words "rotation" in my opinion it's a whole lot of stress for absolutely nothing.

Where should or is there any stress to decide every 3 Month from some kind of pool of Users that has the apility to get it ?
There should be not a critical change to the Merit Sources just to be clear.

Becoming a source has some kind of trust that one has so rotation or changing every 3 months means even those who Theymos think doesn't deserve it will have it right ?

As i already said there is already a pool of Merit Sources right now and its the same in some way we have people and Users on the Default Trust 1 List.
By the way theymos have the right to change everything and how he want to run the Forum.
Again its just an idea for Merit Sources as a lot of them not active the last weeks and month and there are one for years.

So dont get me wrong this nothing against already active Merit Sources but should be given the chance to others that are active and have applications about it.

[Nwada001]

The rotation might seem unfair to some and a fair thing to some as well since some have the desire to be a source and yet don't have the opportunity to, while some who are might either not be active on the forum again or are on the forum but their source merit is not being spent the way others might want it.

My opinion on this is, let those board whose merit sources are no longer active, either because they have exited the forum or whatever reason it may be, be replaced with a newer person whose application is already in the pipeline.

For existing and active sources, I don't see a point in the rotation. instead, there should be some kind of voting system. If there is any source the public doesn't like, their activities and way of using the source merit, the public can easily raise a poll to get the person replaced.

[Findingnemo]

I get what you're trying to let the community know, and I too feel that circulation of merits have dreid up compared to the previous years which is due to the inactive merit sources for whatever reason.

If the idea to pick new sources then I would say it can be based on their activeness of specific boards, one who is actively contributing let's say in bitcoin discussion then there should be atleast one merit source to cover the board who may be chosen one based on their recent activity on the board and the same goes for each and every section along with the sub section just like the moderators.

[Doan9269]

As the Title are already explain this Request about the Merit Sources (As there are a lot not active and have left the Forum) it would be nice to hear your Opinion about that !

theymos may only consider this when there is a serious gap left as a result of inactive merits sources, but of recent, he already approved one from the Nigerian local board which was Igebotz, if there is need for more addition as a matter of urgency, he may consider such, but if not, every other applications can still be pending till the needs arises for him to do s.

With all that the rotation of Merit Sources should be changed every 3 Month.

Am not sure if this is going to be possible, let me try to ask this question and you also provide answers to them.

Will the rotation be among the merits sources or involves new ones?

Another similar question is if we can that sending or receiving merits is not moderated as long as it is not abused, so i don't think theymos sees this from the perspective you're viewing it.

[vapourminer]

As the Title are already explain this Request about the Merit Sources (As there are a lot not active and have left the Forum) it would be nice to hear your Opinion about that !

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With all that the rotation of Merit Sources should be changed every 3 Month.

I dont know how others see that but that is just an Idea for Merit Sources.

i think you have no idea how being a merit source works.

[Zoomic]

Pros
1. It will discourage hoarding of merits by the merit sources.
2. It will foster circulation of merit; as merits sources changes, there's high chances that someone in your gang could be a merit source for 3 months and you will have to enjoy that few months.

Cons
It will encourage merit abuse if an additional system is not implemented to check it.

[Ambatman]

With all that the rotation of Merit Sources should be changed every 3 Month.

If the criteria in being a Merit source was something that could be found easily
Meta Woulf have been flooded by merit source application.
I believe old merit source have gained experience in recognising quality post and have built responsibility
That can't be built in three months.

How would changing every 3 month help the current system?
The best I can see is maybe increasing the number of merit source
Not rotating them like its an assignment rather than a service.

There are made nothing in the last years even there was a lot of applications to getting a Merit Source.
So maybe look at this applications that was done in the past

This is better. Imagine the workload in always having to review merit sources every three months.

[The Cryptovator]

The merits source doesn't have any personal benefits to being a merit source. Rather, they are helping the forum keep more active and inspiring others to contribute to the forum. Merit sources aren't randomly selected or not by public votes. Merit sources application approved by forum administrator. Changing the merits source algorithm won't be fair enough. Rather, Theymos needs to add more merit sources to keep the forum more active. We need more merit circulation on the forum; it will inspire forum users to spam less and make constructive posts.

A merit source should have the ability to handle his/her merits properly, and they have to look deeply at the application before approving any. So I do not agree with your opinion; I would suggest adding more sources and increasing merits for existing merit sources that are performing well.

[Mia Chloe]

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Honestly your points are actually vague to certain extents though I have an intuition of certain things you may be trying to point out. Firstly if your concern is merit circulation in the forum, the I can boldly say Theymos and the administrators are carefully monitoring them via the stats back end it's the reason you see new sources are rarely added for now.

Adding a new source based on the fact that an old source became inactive isn't the play out sometimes. A majority of the time there are more raises in source allocation of existing sources more often than new sources are added.

[joker_josue]

The idea of ​​reassessing or rotating the position of source of merit is not bad in itself. But it would require the creation of a structure that would prevent abuse or the exploitation of certain elements.

It is true that the community would be the one to "pre-select" the potential sources of merit, but this would not guarantee turnover, quite the opposite.

Then the 3-month period is very short, especially for someone who has never been a source of merit. There is no time for the user to understand how to establish their own distribution standards.

It could even be longer, but even so, some conflicts of interest could arise in this rotation process.

This type of model would require many changes and be very well - very well - studied to avoid many variables and not cause injustices.

I think it would be more useful to create a habit of re-evaluating existing sources of merit and new potential more frequently. Nothing against the idea, I just think it would need to be elaborated further, which would make it less advantageous.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

My idea here comes from all that applications in the past , and maybe we can see something like we have on the Default Trust 1 List.
So it could coosen at some kind of pool and change ever 3 Month.

You want merit source also to be manipulated like they do for DT voting? The idea is not bad but in an open forum when you give a powerful tool freely then you will find abusers are abusing it and destroying the true potential of the tool.

It's better to monitor the sources, the way it is.

[Obim34]

I don't follow reshuffling Merit sources for every 3 months, everyone have different solutions for a particular problem, my own solution is for all boards to have an active Mod, whereas these Mods are merit sources. If Moderators are well active, it will aid proper circulation of merits, and for boards with large activities, extra merit sources can be added.

To my knowledge, we do have more than one Mod for each board in the forum, if about 2-3 Mods are merit sources, i don't think there would be lack somewhere.

[Churchillvv]

Changing of merit sources every three months or according to your words "rotation" in my opinion it's a whole lot of stress for absolutely nothing.

Where should or is there any stress to decide every 3 Month from some kind of pool of Users that has the apility to get it ?
There should be not a critical change to the Merit Sources just to be clear.

Of course it seems like no stress but have you checked the DT system and how they are fairing ? their is chaos here and there complains of abuse of DT etc that's exactly what it would be complains everywhere of miss use of merit system that is exactly where the stress is.

Becoming a source has some kind of trust that one has so rotation or changing every 3 months means even those who Theymos think doesn't deserve it will have it right ?

As i already said there is already a pool of Merit Sources right now and its the same in some way we have people and Users on the Default Trust 1 List.
By the way theymos have the right to change everything and how he want to run the Forum.
Again its just an idea for Merit Sources as a lot of them not active the last weeks and month and there are one for years.

So dont get me wrong this nothing against already active Merit Sources but should be given the chance to others that are active and have applications about it.

The already existing merit system has its impact since the time of initiation but if you want power (merit source) to be circulated then the abuse is going to be on the rise this is just my simple opinion and it's has nothing personal.

It takes alot of time for Theymos to approve a merit source either because he's monitoring the way they spend merit after their application hence it's not just about giving such a very critical (subjective) work to anyone just because they believe they are good enough for the position.

[Vod]

So maybe look at this applications that was done in the past or maybe change someting.

It's a great idea, and could be automated to remove any stress, but it probably won't happen as merit sources are a proven control/reward method. 

Instead of changing sources every month, why couldn't Legendary members generate smerit based on something trackable?   Theymos would only need to adjust a single variable to change smerit creation.  That would eliminate administrator bias, decentralize the system and lead to much more merit activity.   We all like DT being mostly decentralized, but we don't seem to care about merit control. 

[God Of Thunder]

Lafu,

I believe there are huge differences between the DT election system and the Merit source selection system. The DT election does not affect the other forums' rank. But a Merit source could affect others' profile rankings. The merit sources must be a trusted person, and the admin should be able to rely on the person so that they won't abuse their merit source ability. But the DT members are chosen by the community. Do you want to make the Merit source election system the same as the DT election?

theymos does not even have enough time to check the merit applications thread. Or he probably thinks the forum has enough merit sources already. Some merit sources are assigned for some specific boards. How do you want to handle that if you reshuffle every few months?

[LoyceV]

You mean I could have a vacation from this ever growing pile of sMerit that keeps coming back no matter how hard I try to spend them?

But I don't think it's going to make things better. If theymos wanted more Merit sources, they could be added already. If existing Merit sources don't do a good job, they can be removed. Turning them off and on doesn't make much sense, if a Merit source runs out he'll have to wait 3 months again and keep a list of worthy posts.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

You mean I could have a vacation from this ever growing pile of sMerit that keeps coming back no matter how hard I try to spend them?

What a problem and one many would prefer to have instead of the common one ''You have 0 sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people.'' lol.

My idea here comes from all that applications in the past , and maybe we can see something like we have on the Default Trust 1 List.
So it could coosen at some kind of pool and change ever 3 Month.

Why 3 months, why not 1 like the DT system and after immediately you lose your merit source status, you lose all the source smerit. This will discourage hoarding of smerit but for this to be flawless, it can't be influence by voting like with the DT system. Theymos has to be the one deciding who gets to be the source or not. Now how does he choose the right candidates?. He can't ask for recommendations either because then we begin to have some favouritism.

[LoyceV]

This will discourage hoarding of smerit

I don't think so. As a Merit source, "hoarding" already means you can send less sMerit in total. If my source is removed at the end of this month, that doesn't make me spend more now. If anything, it would make me more careful with "my own" earned sMerits, as I'll need those to cover the time when my Merit source is put on a dry spell.