Time in the market vs timing the market

[Mastercon]

Stop trying to time the markets. We don't know if it's going to go up or down. If someone says they know, they're lying. If they knew, they'd be making a lot of money with it, they wouldn't be trying to convince you that they know. Bitcoin is a volatile, unpredictable asset. With the short-term thinking of trying to time your buys to the market, you're never going to get anywhere. There's no free money to be made. If you're serious about bitcoin, consider educating yourself and look into a more forward-thinking strategy like DCA. If you're just trying to make a quick buck, get out of here. Bitcoin is not for you.

Each day the trading session is divided into the time sessions of various countries like starting with Japan China European US and so on and henceforth. An app based website called Velo depicts these time zones clearly and trading volumes across various platforms. I/O indicators, Volume curve metrics and Calls and puts across various exchanges Deribit tells a lot about the direction of the movement of bitcoin asset. Social media signals sometimes help to trade this asset class as well but that is highly detrimental in the long term perspective.

 This is not financial advice.

[Pablo-wood]

Each day the trading session is divided into the time sessions of various countries like starting with Japan China European US and so on and henceforth. An app based website called Velo depicts these time zones clearly and trading volumes across various platforms. I/O indicators, Volume curve metrics and Calls and puts across various exchanges Deribit tells a lot about the direction of the movement of bitcoin asset. Social media signals sometimes help to trade this asset class as well but that is highly detrimental in the long term perspective.

The crypto market is no respecter of trading sessions. It is always open 24hrs from Mondays to Sundays. Trading sessions are only applicable to forex traders who choose trading sessions they believe fits in perfect with their daily or weekly price predictions. I strongly believe trading one can time the market for short term profit, there are proven records the only hidden truth is it requires patience, accuracy, consistency and o level sentiment.

DCA is best for long term investors. Any one holding for a long period of time is no longer a trader but an investor, My only concern with traders is their level of patience and how the move with trends.

[Outhue]

Nobody knows what will unfold next but the clues are always in the chart, also precaution is always better than cure, in crypto space when something already happened something else will come next, confused? Don't be, here is a better break down.

Let's say there is a massive surge on crypto assets right now and everyone including your cousins and nephews are hailing Bitcoin saying its going way higher, what do you think its likely to happen next? More highs? The dopamine that's been fed to retailers and newbies.

I don't expect more upside because I've been here a long time, someone like me will expect a dump right after, you are to take profits and wait for another retrace first, I think you are just confused, the answer is always in the chart.

I Bought BTC at 15k it was not a lucky guess, six different trading tools were signaling that we are at the bottom, and I took the risk, I wasn't the only one who got in at the lowest, the simplest thing to do is avoid buying high and get in when there is fear due to dump.

Trading time and sessions affects only stock traders not crypto trader, do your own research

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Stop trying to time the markets. We don't know if it's going to go up or down. If someone says they know, they're lying. If they knew, they'd be making a lot of money with it, they wouldn't be trying to convince you that they know.

No body has the full prediction on what the market is going to be like and still be accurate about it, we all are trying our best to ensure that there's nothing missing about from the market as we speculate it performance, we can use any indication in knowing what time of the market are we before timing but for our own personal interest as we invest, everything we speculate of should be on the bid to maximize our potential for making profits in it.

[Cryptohygenic]

If you're just trying to make a quick buck, get out of here. Bitcoin is not for you.

For a better emphasis, you can not get a quick return when invested on bitcoin due to the volatility nature of the market. The ability of holding indefinitely while the present time of the market decides your achievements based on your accumulated values and then you can decide to opt-out or keep holding for higher returns indefinitely.
But if you have to expect quick returns then you should ride on trading but be sure it is still not guaranteed until you are reliable of the knowledges you have acquired that is to bring you profits and limits your losts.

[Ruttoshi]

Timing the market is a waste of time to me because you cannot predict the price movement of bitcoin correctly. This is done mainly by traders who think that bitcoin is get rich quick scheme or investors who always love buying bitcoin cheaper than the current price. This action has made a lot of them run into big loss and regret their actions.

Bitcoin is a long-term asset, if you want to keep your pension/retirement funds in bitcoin, you should use DCA method to accumulate by buying only without selling till when you have retired.

[Porfirii]

This topic reminds me of my first days in crypto, when I decided that it was a good idea to daytrade. It was frustrating to see how the prices spiked after selling, feeling the FOMO, and then, after a relatively long bullish trend, see how a sharp dip evaporated in just a few hours the profits earned in months.

Fluctuations in crypto are usually unpredictable, and analyzing the market requires a big effort in time and attention that doesn't usually pay off. So I agree that it's much better to hodl: if everything goes wrong eventually, at least you only lose money.

[Patikno]

Stop trying to time the markets. We don't know if it's going to go up or down. If someone says they know, they're lying. If they knew, they'd be making a lot of money with it, they wouldn't be trying to convince you that they know. Bitcoin is a volatile, unpredictable asset. With the short-term thinking of trying to time your buys to the market, you're never going to get anywhere. There's no free money to be made. If you're serious about bitcoin, consider educating yourself and look into a more forward-thinking strategy like DCA. If you're just trying to make a quick buck, get out of here. Bitcoin is not for you.

The funny thing that often happens to beginners in crypto is that they think that Crypto or especially Bitcoin is a quick way to make money, and here I agree with OP that people who think like that should get out of here. In addition, even though beginners usually start getting to know crypto starting from Bitcoin, but strangely they start trying to enter altcoins or other shitcoins, and when they experience losses, many of them think that crypto is a scam, it's really sad.

Maybe this has been discussed here often, but it seems that this needs to be a reminder, especially for beginners. And I always advise anyone to prioritize focusing on Bitcoin only, and suggest investing, not timing the market like a gambler. Regarding timing the market, I think this is a waste of time and energy, it is better to focus on saving Bitcoin, do work to be able to make installments on it or do DCA as OP said, be patient for a while, and without realizing it you will feel the results, and that is without having to spend time, thought, and energy like people who do timing the market.

[sunsilk]

While analysis helps to the predictions of those real traders. It's a fact that even them cannot time the market and whenever something goes differently, they don't know when it will happen.

We don't know if it's going to go up or down. If someone says they know, they're lying.

What if it is from someone who's just basing it on cycles for Bitcoin? Like for 2028, the halving will happen and then typically on its next year, the bull run will come and so Bitcoin will do.

Not everyone who times the market is lying and wrong. The market is also cyclic and that's why if it's someone who's experienced like that, they know what they are saying.

[Darker45]

The good thing these days is that it seems DCA is the strategy that's being adopted and promoted by popular Bitcoin institutions. Those who are new to Bitcoin, ushered in by the kind of adoption we're seeing in the recent days, must have seen how purchases are made by the likes of Strategy^BTC, Metaplanet, Semler, and others regardless of the price. They're not waiting for the dip. They're not waiting for the bear market or for the bull market to end. They're just regularly buying.

Considering that they're spending in the tens and hundreds of millions, even higher, this is a strong statement for everybody to forget about timing the market and just buy. I hope they'll effectively convince even retail investors to do the same.

[lizarder]

Stop trying to time the markets. We don't know if it's going to go up or down. If someone says they know, they're lying. If they knew, they'd be making a lot of money with it, they wouldn't be trying to convince you that they know. Bitcoin is a volatile, unpredictable asset. With the short-term thinking of trying to time your buys to the market, you're never going to get anywhere. There's no free money to be made. If you're serious about bitcoin, consider educating yourself and look into a more forward-thinking strategy like DCA. If you're just trying to make a quick buck, get out of here. Bitcoin is not for you.

In a more accurate capacity no one will ever know the exact market movement but you can make an analysis of its movement. I am starting to understand and maybe you want to say trading or something like that is hard to do and it is much better to implement investment because we will not have as much trouble. If bitcoin was stable we probably would never see prices as high as they are now which is why people say bitcoin is speculative.

Don't worry about the many speculators and see where you have the ability and if investment is better then implement it. Discussions about free methods are no longer interesting to talk about because we know that to grow your finances better you need to spend money and that's not just in bitcoin.

[Peanutswar]

If you are the kind of person who regularly keeping an eye with the market, I guess doing a trade is a good idea instead you are just wasting your time watching the market whole day but you are doing a spot trade and for a long-term trade. If you are a daily trader who makes flip coins and take profit in a hour or daily basis, every news and movement of the price matters. but if you have a background about the token you are doing trade and have a plot of plan when you will take profit and when you will make hold and trade you don't need to worry about the market too much, just expect the unexpected price movement but you are a one step a head with the market so its already anticipated to have changes.

[l3pox]

If you are the kind of person who regularly keeping an eye with the market, I guess doing a trade is a good idea instead you are just wasting your time watching the market whole day but you are doing a spot trade and for a long-term trade. If you are a daily trader who makes flip coins and take profit in a hour or daily basis, every news and movement of the price matters. but if you have a background about the token you are doing trade and have a plot of plan when you will take profit and when you will make hold and trade you don't need to worry about the market too much, just expect the unexpected price movement but you are a one step a head with the market so its already anticipated to have changes.

just remember that trading is hard, less than 1% of traders end up being consistently profitable
it's probably one of the hardest and most stressful things to do
most people should stick to investing longterm and holding, probably better

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Stop trying to time the markets. We don't know if it's going to go up or down. If someone says they know, they're lying. If they knew, they'd be making a lot of money with it, they wouldn't be trying to convince you that they know. Bitcoin is a volatile, unpredictable asset. With the short-term thinking of trying to time your buys to the market, you're never going to get anywhere. There's no free money to be made. If you're serious about bitcoin, consider educating yourself and look into a more forward-thinking strategy like DCA. If you're just trying to make a quick buck, get out of here. Bitcoin is not for you.

Each day the trading session is divided into the time sessions of various countries like starting with Japan China European US and so on and henceforth. An app based website called Velo depicts these time zones clearly and trading volumes across various platforms. I/O indicators, Volume curve metrics and Calls and puts across various exchanges Deribit tells a lot about the direction of the movement of bitcoin asset. Social media signals sometimes help to trade this asset class as well but that is highly detrimental in the long term perspective.

 This is not financial advice.

I'm not really sure if you are promoting that app or you are simply using it. In any case, it's just easy to look at the different timezones as there are a lot of websites that will do the conversion for you.

As far as timing the market, you are right, although there are what we call TA who do that for a living. They base everything on what they see and what algo they are going to used or using to "predict" where the market is going and then put money on that. That's why trading is being compared to gambling because of this unknown factors. Nevertheless, still up to us traders on what we know and what works for us.

And for the majority, this is like a stable job for them. Not saying that they are experts, but for them, thru years of experience, they could have anticipated and so they are going to trade and make money.

[notocactus]

As far as timing the market, you are right, although there are what we call TA who do that for a living. They base everything on what they see and what algo they are going to used or using to "predict" where the market is going and then put money on that. That's why trading is being compared to gambling because of this unknown factors. Nevertheless, still up to us traders on what we know and what works for us.

If TA is easily to master and use well, the majority of market participants would succeed and get profit, while it seems most of us know a fact that the majority of the crowd are losers, not winners.

So it proves that TA is hard for mastering it, and it's super hard to use it well. There is another way, which is easier by focusing on fundamentals and your long term holding and investment. You won't have to feel too challenging and headache about doing your Technical analysis that is stressful with very high risk of making it inaccurately.

When things are related to your money especially in a volatile market, if you do wrong analysis then make your decision based on it, you will have very bad ending with possible very big losses.

[Franctoshi]

Stop trying to time the markets. We don't know if it's going to go up or down. If someone says they know, they're lying. If they knew, they'd be making a lot of money with it, they wouldn't be trying to convince you that they know. Bitcoin is a volatile, unpredictable asset. With the short-term thinking of trying to time your buys to the market, you're never going to get anywhere. There's no free money to be made. If you're serious about bitcoin, consider educating yourself and look into a more forward-thinking strategy like DCA. If you're just trying to make a quick buck, get out of here. Bitcoin is not for you.

Each day the trading session is divided into the time sessions of various countries like starting with Japan China European US and so on and henceforth. An app based website called Velo depicts these time zones clearly and trading volumes across various platforms. I/O indicators, Volume curve metrics and Calls and puts across various exchanges Deribit tells a lot about the direction of the movement of bitcoin asset. Social media signals sometimes help to trade this asset class as well but that is highly detrimental in the long term perspective.

 This is not financial advice.

Timing is not bad if you are using a DCA strategy, I would rather buy aggressively during a bear market than in a bull market if not totally avoid buying when the market is already pumping or greenish, if you understand the seasons of the market, why do I said so?
Let's say you're buying with DCA strategy, Starting off with one hundred US dollars ($100 ) during the bull market, but I will indirectly be waiting for the bear market season to come in order to increase my purchases during an official bear market , in this case such timing isn't bad, but not when you just stay on sideline and be waiting for that perfect time, you may end up missing it. Therefore you don't necessarily have to stay aside and be waiting for that perfect time to buy but have to take advantage of timing by understanding the time of bull and bear season to maximize profits.

[cryptoaddictchie]

As I much to want to caught the ATH and ATL Ive never hitted it perfectly since its totally predictable what will happened. But thats right doing DCA is the perfect shield to that since you could get at a different price of it no matter whats the cost. In the end its always go to the direction upward means theres always chance you gain more in the long run.

[Solosanz]

What's wrong with time the market?

I tried to time the market by bought Bitcoin when the price was $90K, but it went to $79K and I didn't sell it, now it reach to $110K, but I still don't sell it. I might wait for little longer and thinking to sell my coins, then bought it when the price drop.

Of course no one know with the future and I might be wrong, but that's the risk if you want to get rich quicker than using DCA strategy.

[Jewan420]

Predicting market movements is still very difficult and impossible. You can predict this prediction through crypto analysis and trading analysis. How accurate it will be will depend on your skills, but it is certain that you will not always be successful. The Bitcoin market is still very uncertain and the chances of losing here in the short term are higher. In the long term, you have a higher chance of succeeding here. The Bitcoin market is not primarily time-dependent like the trading market.

[adultcrypto]

Stop trying to time the markets. We don't know if it's going to go up or down. If someone says they know, they're lying. If they knew, they'd be making a lot of money with it, they wouldn't be trying to convince you that they know. Bitcoin is a volatile, unpredictable asset. With the short-term thinking of trying to time your buys to the market, you're never going to get anywhere. There's no free money to be made. If you're serious about bitcoin, consider educating yourself and look into a more forward-thinking strategy like DCA. If you're just trying to make a quick buck, get out of here. Bitcoin is not for you.

Each day the trading session is divided into the time sessions of various countries like starting with Japan China European US and so on and henceforth. An app based website called Velo depicts these time zones clearly and trading volumes across various platforms. I/O indicators, Volume curve metrics and Calls and puts across various exchanges Deribit tells a lot about the direction of the movement of bitcoin asset. Social media signals sometimes help to trade this asset class as well but that is highly detrimental in the long term perspective.

 This is not financial advice.

This post have a mixture of trading bitcoin and holding bitcoin. Initially I thought the topic should have been posted in the trading discussion thread but reading through the entire post I realized you also support long term hodl which somehow differ from the topic. I also prefer long term hodl because that is where the real profit is. Like you said, the DCA method one nice strategy that helps in running a bitcoin portfolio because of the chance it gives the investor to start with any small amount and be consistent with it. In other words, it simplifies bitcoin accumulation such that the investor is not eager to sell but more conscious of buying.