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May 21, 2025, 08:35:44 AM
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The US keeps printing more and more money to service its debts, and monetises them in bonds. The debt burden is growing at a rate that’s not with the growth in productivity or jobs.

Now because of Trump’s tariffs, the economy is going to slow down even further, prompting the central bank to print even more money for welfare and service its debts, devaluing the currency even more.

That’s not the worst part. Since the US is causing so much economic instability and has proven time and time again that it can’t service its debts sustainably, many countries have been selling US bonds.

The endgame for the dollar is not the BRICS or whatever other stupid fiat, it’s when everyone loses trust in the whole “printing money to growth the economy” mindset and sells their US bonds because they finally realise the debt is worthless and the US won’t be able pay it.


That’s when the US dollar collapses and all the countries with dollars in their reserves also collapse. It will be total Armageddon and the worst economic crisis.

That is when everyone realises THE ONLY WAY IS BITCOIN
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May 21, 2025, 10:13:44 AM
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The US keeps printing more and more money to service its debts, and monetises them in bonds. The debt burden is growing at a rate that’s not with the growth in productivity or jobs.

Now because of Trump’s tariffs, the economy is going to slow down even further, prompting the central bank to print even more money for welfare and service its debts, devaluing the currency even more.

That’s not the worst part. Since the US is causing so much economic instability and has proven time and time again that it can’t service its debts sustainably, many countries have been selling US bonds.

The endgame for the dollar is not the BRICS or whatever other stupid fiat, it’s when everyone loses trust in the whole “printing money to growth the economy” mindset and sells their US bonds because they finally realise the debt is worthless and the US won’t be able pay it.


That’s when the US dollar collapses and all the countries with dollars in their reserves also collapse. It will be total Armageddon and the worst economic crisis.

That is when everyone realises THE ONLY WAY IS BITCOIN

You know what's funny? The fact that many people still buy US dollars and think that it's the safest asset. In my country, trade is done in US dollars and not in local currency, despite the fact that the law forbids trading in anything other than a national currency.
In my country, people save money in US dollars because our currency gets devalued against the US dollar very often and somehow people have trust in it. People here don't buy stocks, don't invest in Bitcoin, they keep US dollars. I wonder how many nations are like this? If people of many other nations have this habit, then it will keep the US dollar strong, it's definitely helping them.

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May 21, 2025, 11:03:17 AM
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You know what's funny? The fact that many people still buy US dollars and think that it's the safest asset.

And in sure Donald Trump saw the US economy breaking down in no time soon prompted his agitation for friendly bitcoin regulations and facilities that won't comprise it initiatives of decentralized and as well the potential values of it volatilities.
Which therefore lingering to the Donald Trump signing the executive order for the US to establish on the strategic research of it federal treasures on bitcoin.
And as it's, the crumbling of the fiats has no bond of potential values which has also obliged the other countries to consider reserving it treasures on the crypto market.

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May 21, 2025, 11:21:19 AM
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I wonder how many nations are like this? If people of many other nations have this habit, then it will keep the US dollar strong, it's definitely helping them.

Not only people in countries hold USD but most governments around the world still hold a certain amount of USD in their foreign exchange reserves. According to the latest report, the USD still account for more than 50% of global foreign exchange reserves until 2025. That proves one thing, the US has been extremely successful in advising the world to abandon the gold standard (the most reliable asset) to use their USD, and that is also how they dominate this world.

While I hate US dominance, to be fair, the USD cannot compare to assets like gold or maybe bitcoin in the future but it is still more reliable than many other currencies. Because the United States is still the world's largest economy, by far.


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May 21, 2025, 11:43:09 AM
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You know what's funny? The fact that many people still buy US dollars and think that it's the safest asset. In my country, trade is done in US dollars and not in local currency, despite the fact that the law forbids trading in anything other than a national currency.
In my country, people save money in US dollars because our currency gets devalued against the US dollar very often and somehow people have trust in it. People here don't buy stocks, don't invest in Bitcoin, they keep US dollars. I wonder how many nations are like this? If people of many other nations have this habit, then it will keep the US dollar strong, it's definitely helping them.
The US dollar currency is the mainstay of some countries because of their trust which is certainly difficult to leave, because there are many strong reasons behind it, among them many countries that store US dollars or for export and import transactions of goods, most of them use the US dollar because the price is more stable than using their national currency, so with this dependence the US dollar is getting stronger and is considered safe and makes it a better exchange tool.
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May 21, 2025, 12:06:33 PM
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Although currently confidence in the resilience of the US Dollar, which is even used as a global reserve, is still very strong. But we must also see that the share of the dollar in global foreign exchange reserves is currently starting to experience a fairly clear decline. For example, in 2014 the dollar's share in global foreign exchange reserves was at 65% but then became 57.8% around the end of 2024. And this certainly raises questions about the causes of this decline. Apart from the question of trust, this decline could also be caused by the central bank's diversification into other currencies or perhaps gold. Which means that the dollar's dominance also began to weaken during that period.1

But still for now I personally even prefer holding USD over other currencies if it is for temporary savings. But in the long term all currencies will still be affected by inflation. Not only because supply is unlimited but also because of other things. So gold and bitcoin are still my main choices for the long term. Gold is for value stability and bitcoin is expected to become an investment asset that can grow rapidly in value in the future.


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May 21, 2025, 01:20:34 PM
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The US dollar has always been the mainstream global currency for international trades, it is not a surprise to see people horde the currency in other countries and even spend it in certain places. In this regard anything that happens to the US dollar has a direct influence on the global economy because it is the number one currency for international exchange and reserve. Bitcoin has come to change this naretive, it is everything that any fiat cannot be, decentralized and has a limited supply, therefore an hedge against inflation and no single country has a control over it. I believe that in the future Bitcoin will be used more for international trades than the US dollar that can be hit by inflation. Above all it is a store of value for everybody and any country that hodl it.

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May 21, 2025, 02:43:51 PM
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Yep this is why we park our wealth in Bitcoin. After being in this industry for 10 years, it’s easy to forget how amazing it is to have an asset with a capped supply. There are so many good things about Bitcoin but only 21,000,000 to ever exist (with many of those lost or unaccessible) it is such a special asset. By its very design it will go up in price forever long term. Don’t get caught slipping, buy Bitcoin.

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May 21, 2025, 03:13:33 PM
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Several countries have already dump their bonds though. Still because there is no substitute for USD, its still the most adopted currency even in countries that has their own currency.

Although dedollarization is happening, not all countries will abandon it.  I would still be keeping USD for the purpose that our local currency is dumping faster than it. If all are going down, most probably the local currencies are the first to inflate.

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The US keeps printing more and more money to service its debts, and monetises them in bonds. The debt burden is growing at a rate that’s not with the growth in productivity or jobs.

Now because of Trump’s tariffs, the economy is going to slow down even further, prompting the central bank to print even more money for welfare and service its debts, devaluing the currency even more.

That’s not the worst part. Since the US is causing so much economic instability and has proven time and time again that it can’t service its debts sustainably, many countries have been selling US bonds.

The endgame for the dollar is not the BRICS or whatever other stupid fiat, it’s when everyone loses trust in the whole “printing money to growth the economy” mindset and sells their US bonds because they finally realise the debt is worthless and the US won’t be able pay it.


That’s when the US dollar collapses and all the countries with dollars in their reserves also collapse. It will be total Armageddon and the worst economic crisis.

That is when everyone realises THE ONLY WAY IS BITCOIN


This is too straightforward a scenario. Most likely, the dollar will lose its value very slowly, and in any case it will remain as one of the currencies. Because if the dollar collapses, then all currencies will collapse, regardless of what different countries have in reserves there.

It's not that simple with Bitcoin either. There are already very large bitcoin holders. The question arises, why should they (private individuals, in fact) have bitcoin, and not conditional Brazil? Why should these people (the conditional Winklevoss brothers) be richer than an entire nation? It's worth thinking about it that way.

For universal acceptance, official recognition at the country level is needed. As a speculative asset, as it is now, bitcoin will of course continue to be ubiquitous. But it is unlikely to be able to replace the dollar. The dollar will replace something else, it is not yet known what it might be.
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May 21, 2025, 03:52:51 PM
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Due to debasement of the US dollar overtime, it's not wise to keep your funds in US dollars because it's fiat and fiat depreciates overtime due to inflation. This is why I am happy that bitcoin is a currency and an asset which you safe you funds from inflation when you throw some value into it.

I only have bitcoin and my local fiat for my daily spending. My future investment is in bitcoin. I only convert bitcoin to dollar when I am trading.

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May 21, 2025, 04:21:28 PM
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The US economy isn't going to slow down, atleast relative to other countries economies, but the dollar will be weakened, not necessarily due to BRICS. It will be weakened along with other national currencies, will however fare better than them.
The unlimited and inflationary printing of currency is not peculiar to USD alone, it's a general fiat currencies problem. This is part of the main reasons they will keep getting devalued, but the USD won't be as bad as them. It will remain the reserve currency.
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There’s a ton of frustration and anxiety around watching a government print itself deeper into debt while regular people everywhere get told to just “trust the system”. And a lot of folks (especially outside the US) are already feeling, even if the headlines aren’t saying it yet. But I think it’s worth adding some nuance to how this endgame could really play out. The idea that everyone dumps US Treasuries in one big panic and instantly moves to Bitcoin is a powerful narrative, but reality is usually a lot messier, and a lot more global

What gets less attention is that trust doesn’t vanish all at once. It gets chipped away, bit by bit, until people, companies, and countries start hedging their bets in creative ways. Bitcoin and gold get the headlines, but there’s also more interest in local projects, barter, stablecoins, even weird new stuff in some regions

And if the dollar did collapse overnight? A bunch of national currencies and economies would have their own crises. But the world isn’t going to “collapse” in sync. People adapt. We’ve seen this with Argentina, Turkey, Lebanon, even parts of Europe during the euro crisis. Folks shift to whatever works, sometimes that’s USD, sometimes BTC, sometimes even rice or SIM cards

 
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The US keeps printing more and more money to service its debts, and monetises them in bonds. The debt burden is growing at a rate that’s not with the growth in productivity or jobs.

Now because of Trump’s tariffs, the economy is going to slow down even further, prompting the central bank to print even more money for welfare and service its debts, devaluing the currency even more.

That’s not the worst part. Since the US is causing so much economic instability and has proven time and time again that it can’t service its debts sustainably, many countries have been selling US bonds.

The endgame for the dollar is not the BRICS or whatever other stupid fiat, it’s when everyone loses trust in the whole “printing money to growth the economy” mindset and sells their US bonds because they finally realise the debt is worthless and the US won’t be able pay it.


That’s when the US dollar collapses and all the countries with dollars in their reserves also collapse. It will be total Armageddon and the worst economic crisis.

That is when everyone realises THE ONLY WAY IS BITCOIN


It's true - the dollar is getting weaker and weaker, but this is actually a tactic that some countries use in order to increase their exports as it allows other countries to buy more. China tried to do this, but that was more of a tactical plan - the Trump approach is more likely to be misjudged fallout from his poor economic policies. The bond market is a good indicator of the strength and trust in certain countries, right now US issued debt is having to pay a lot higher rates because that trust has crumbled. Other countries don't want to buy American debt with such a reckless and wild leader in charge. The sort of leader that has no qualms bankrupting his country, either by accident or on purpose, which would wipe out all assets.

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May 22, 2025, 02:07:48 PM
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But it is unlikely to be able to replace the dollar. The dollar will replace something else, it is not yet known what it might be.

Indeed, even if the US dollar collapses, bitcoin will never be able to replace it. Because the government would never let that happen,  they would never let a currency they don't control dominate them.

It's true that bitcoin has a lot of potential, but I feel like people are being too delusional and hyping bitcoin when they think it will replace the USD or the current monetary system . It can be said that the US dollar is losing value over time because the US prints them indiscriminately but let's not forget that they have been doing so for over 100 years and still dominate the world. Their dominance may collapse due to competition from other economies but they will not collapse just because of a decentralized currency ,  we should stop being delusional.

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Due to debasement of the US dollar overtime, it's not wise to keep your funds in US dollars because it's fiat and fiat depreciates overtime due to inflation. This is why I am happy that bitcoin is a currency and an asset which you safe you funds from inflation when you throw some value into it.

I only have bitcoin and my local fiat for my daily spending. My future investment is in bitcoin. I only convert bitcoin to dollar when I am trading.
As long as the fed have the power to print as much dollar as they will, the US dollar will continue to experience inflation. Bitcoin is really a game changer as it gives us the opportunity to escape the inflation that is prevalent with fiat currencies. Bitcoin have just exposed the inflation in the dollar, something we never knew existed. Prior to this time, we have been using the USD to escape inflation in my country but the coming of Bitcoin just make this better and much more interesting.

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That's the nature of all Ponzi schemes, they pay the victims until the day they catastrophically collapse. US economy and its fiat have been a Ponzi scheme for a long time now and the chances of its collapse are increasing every day.

The endgame for the dollar is not the BRICS or whatever other stupid fiat,
Hopefully BRICS countries release their currency and make it backed by something (gold, oil, gas, etc.) and break the cycle of non-stop fiat printing...

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You know what's funny? The fact that many people still buy US dollars and think that it's the safest asset. In my country, trade is done in US dollars and not in local currency, despite the fact that the law forbids trading in anything other than a national currency.
In my country, people save money in US dollars because our currency gets devalued against the US dollar very often and somehow people have trust in it. People here don't buy stocks, don't invest in Bitcoin, they keep US dollars. I wonder how many nations are like this? If people of many other nations have this habit, then it will keep the US dollar strong, it's definitely helping them.
When your government still uses the USD as reserve currency what do expect the citizens to do?
You won't blame them, for their ignorance is fed by the government lies on national TV's about how the US dollar is still as strong as whenever.  Whereas some persons are still conservative with their mindset on innovations like bitcoin when looking at where to hedge their funds away from their local currency depreciation and with how the USD has been the traditional means of valuation to their local currency they seem to trust it without questioning it current status quo.

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The endgame for the dollar is not the BRICS or whatever other stupid fiat, it’s when everyone loses trust in the whole “printing money to growth the economy” mindset and sells their US bonds because they finally realise the debt is worthless and the US won’t be able pay it.


That’s when the US dollar collapses and all the countries with dollars in their reserves also collapse. It will be total Armageddon and the worst economic crisis.

That is when everyone realises THE ONLY WAY IS BITCOIN

Bitcoin may be part of the solution, but it certainly isn't the solution. Bitcoin cannot replace the dollar because they have different characteristics and functions, in addition to the limited number of bitcoins, which makes it more of a store of value than a widely traded currency.

Today, after this long history with the dollar, I am increasingly convinced that our crisis with the dollar is not its poor performance or the disasters it causes, but rather that we cannot get rid of it. The Bretton Woods Agreement made it a tool of power in the hands of America, whose influence has grown stronger and expanded through the dollar, whose issuance and distribution it controls. This massive power has turned weaker economies into American quasi-colonies, as they lack national sovereignty and can't issue any decisions that affect the dollar's central authority, as this would undermine America's interests. America would not allow this, even if it meant destroying any country entirely if it considered adopting policies that were inconsistent with its interests.

Personally, I don't know what the solution could be, but at the same time I know that it is not easy to get rid of the dollar and that we are all stuck with the dollar.


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While OP is right about the fact that this is unsustainable, since there is no alternative, nobody really has any other way but accept things as they are. World loves to say capitalism (liberal way of living) is the best one, but then complain about it, and they bash communism (rightfully so) as opponent.

But the reality is, Norway, Finland, Sweden, all figured out and lived amazing 40 years, if that was possible (they are not as good as they used to be today) then we should ALL do what they did during that 40 years, if possible. It's combination of taxes and help being balanced, you let rich be rich, but also help poor not be that poor, and when you find that perfect balance, then it helps your nation to be the best one out there.

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