Do you think campaign managers enrol their alts in their own campaigns?

[JollyGood]

There are some campaign managers (and would-be campaign managers) that have dubious history. I cannot fathom the reason why any serious business would bother to consider hiring them (let alone really give them a job).

Keeping that aside, considering the fact enrolling accounts in campaigns is lucrative and basically the only reason why over 99% of the members visit this forum, I would not be surprised if some campaign managers have enrolled (with ease) their own purchased accounts, farmed accounts or alt-accounts in order to maximise their income (effectively cheating their employers).

If you were to take a guess, which percentage of accounts enrolled in a campaign are actually owned by the campaign manager? I will not mention names of the highly respected  campaign managers that I am certain do not cheat via this nefarious activity because the attention would fall on the managers I did not name (when attention should fall on them without me mentioning names anyway).

Nevertheless, participate in the poll  

[_act_]

One is the account the campaign manager is using and another is the alt. One of the campaign rules is to not use alt to apply but if the campaign manager use his alt to apply but just one alt, that will not be considered as alt. Or you mean they use more than one alts to apply?

[JeromeTash]

I have seen a case or two about managers enrolling their alt accounts in campaigns but they were mostly shitty ones like bounties and the managers were less reputable. These cases were discovered way after the campaigns ended.

For a reputable manager, it would be a very silly thing to do because if one is already earning from managing the campaign, why enroll alts? If the appetite for some sats is too much then why not use those alts to join other campaigns?

It's hard to tell or even suspect if there's any reputable manager who currently does such a thing.

[Pablo-wood]

Reputable managers understands how tarnishing their image will be before future clients so they will try to keep clean records. Most times managers who enroll their alts care less about what happens afterwards. And it's always difficult associating this alts to campaign managers.

 A serious business compares their returns made from their signature and most times the reason most campaigns don't last long even when the initial intent was for a long term advert. But overall I don't think the percentage of alts dubious manager enroll in sig campaigns exceed 1.

[Koadharber]

There's no proof on this one and just like on what others been saying above that no manager will definitely be that doing this because once they do get caught then it will be over of their managerial career on which we know that they are being paid some good amount on managing up the campaign. I do understand that sometime we can think off about this kind of possible exploit because it can be definitely be done but it is just that really hard to believe that it is happening as of today. So far most managers are doing their job well on handling up the campaign. If ever they are enrolling alts then there's no way to prove it out.

[LoyceV]

Assuming a decent campaign manager earns more than the users in the campaign, that would be a dumb thing to do. I also think that if it would happen on a large scale, it would have been discovered once in a while. So it can't be happening a lot.

[BitMaxz]

I don't heard some manager could do this. Managing a campaign isn't easy and time-consuming, so I don't think if they have an alt account they are going to enroll them in one of their campaigns. I believe for reputable members it is not worth it.
Maybe they will do it if they need some quick cash.

[Oshio-man]

I don't think campaign Managers will enroll in their alts account to their own campaigns they are managing in this forum, they fully aware the rules that governed their campaigns which it has affected many participants that enrolled with their alts, But greedy can force some campaign manager to enroll their alts in their own campaigns, I don't think will have such managers here.

[hugeblack]

If a campaign manager's job is to review posts within a single day, why would bother creating an alt-account and continue posting throughout the week?

So, theoretically, a trusted signature campaign manager would avoid doing this because of the significant damage it would cause, and it's possible for untrustworthy campaign managers.

Let's not forget that scammer who had three accounts in his Chipmixer signature campaign (900$/week.)

[OgNasty]

When I was made the campaign manager for a different website, I was given access to view IP addresses and all I can say is this community is MUCH smaller than people think it is.  No idea if people do a better job masking their IPs here so they aren't discovered or if the administration just doesn't care...  What I can say is that I was shocked at how many signature campaign participants were triple, even quadruple dipping in campaigns.  This was back in like 2018, so I can only imagine it is worse now.  Just be aware.  Not just for signature campaigns but for attacks on members here as well.  

[Lida93]

I don't think campaign Managers will enroll in their alts account to their own campaigns they are managing in this forum, they fully aware the rules that governed their campaigns which it has affected many participants that enrolled with their alts, But greedy can force some campaign manager to enroll their alts in their own campaigns, I don't think will have such managers here.

Anything is possible even though it might seem unlikely here in the forum. It's risky to vouch that such may not be happening. It's their campaign and so it's easy to have their alt in the campaign if they do wish. But if it's a campaign where alts are allowed then that's ain't an issue though. And with what CM are paid by the brands for managing such adverts for them it should be sufficient for them not to peddle on their reputation by indulging their alts in their campaigns where he/she made the rules of no alt.

[albon]

One is the account the campaign manager is using and another is the alt. One of the campaign rules is to not use alt to apply but if the campaign manager use his alt to apply but just one alt, that will not be considered as alt. Or you mean they use more than one alts to apply?

Even if it is just one alt account, that’s still considered cheating. And even the rule they set, which prohibits the use of alt accounts, is often violated by dishonest bounty managers. If you look at the reputation board here on the forum, you will see many threads where I have exposed these kinds of managers who manipulate spreadsheets, allocate large stakes to their alt accounts, or even take the entire campaign budget and pocket it without distributing rewards to participants.

In my opinion, bounties are dead now. Only a very few are worth paying attention to, and the rest are just garbage run by unknown new managers.

[mindrust]

I don’t think any of the reputable campaign managers are doing it. First of all, most of them already wear a signature and they are making their weekly posts just like everyone else. That act alone is very time consuming. It is not easy to come up with 15-25 non-spam posts every week. And then create another alt and make another 20 posts with the same quality? That takes serious mental juice. You might say “who will question their post quality?” And you are right in theory but I am telling you that it is not sustainable.

Is it impossible? No. But very unlikely imo.

[Findingnemo]

I guess we never know until they get caught if they did they seriously will get fcuked.

I have been here for a long and I don't remember any campaign manager found doing that but it is possible and no one is stopping them if they decide to hire themselves.

I want to know alt account allowed in here?

Yes, it is allowed. Forum doesn't restrict multiple accounts but participating with multiple accounts in a campaign where there is a rule saying that no more than one account is allowed will be considered cheating and deserves neg.

[yahoo62278]

@Jollygood, you don't normally make a topic without already thinking someone or multiple someone's in this topic are doing what you're thinking, so I am more curious of who you think is cheating. Your question also I feel needs to be split up into 2 parts.

Do you think Bounty managers are enrolling alts or have ever?

Do you think sig campaign managers are or have ever enrolled alts?

Bounty managers are a dime a dozen and mostly unknowns and I believe it is normal in their minds to enroll their alts. Even some of the more reputable managers in that space could be guilty, but I have no proof.

I won't comment on sig campaign managers without proof as it could be considered a pretty hot topic and dramafest waiting to happen. No need to open that can of worms at this time. Could it be happening, yes. is it, I don't know. I wouldn't rule it out.

I have a hard enough time posting 25-30 posts in a week on 1 account, couldn't imagine trying to make posts on multiple accounts.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

I would not be surprised if some campaign managers have enrolled (with ease) their own purchased accounts, farmed accounts or alt-accounts in order to maximise their income (effectively cheating their employers).

Though the probability of this happening is possible, but I doubt a campaign manager who manages lots of campaigns will engage in such dubious act of creating multiple alts, and accepting them in his signature campaign as an avenue to maximize profit, most especially when he manages lots of signature campaigns to manage and also has the duty to examine and count posts of it's numerous campaign participants. Because I think this can only be possible when a manager has fewer campaigns to manage like 2 or 3.

If you were to take a guess, which percentage of accounts enrolled in a campaign are actually owned by the campaign manager? I will not mention names of the highly respected  campaign managers that I am certain do not cheat via this nefarious activity because the attention would fall on the managers I did not name (when attention should fall on them without me mentioning names anyway).

Asking us to guess what percentage of accounts been enrolled by campaign managers on their respective signature campaigns will be a mere speculation, until proven otherwise. Because I'm pretty sure not all campaign managers has an alt in all it's signature campaigns. Because if they do, it wouldn't be in all, but one in a few selected campaigns, since owning an alt account is not a crime, but joining it in the same campaign is it.

[Stalker22]

Well, I also wouldnt say its downright impossible for a campaign manager to secretly run an alt account pretending to be a genuine participant.  But it does seem pretty darn unlikely if you ask me.  Setting up and maintaining something like that would be a ton of extra work for them.  And for what - a couple extra bucks in their coffers? Doesnt seem worth the huge risk of getting caught and having their reputation shredded to bits.  Nah.  Just doesnt make much sense when theyve got so much to lose.

[GiftedMAN]

Assuming a decent campaign manager earns more than the users in the campaign, that would be a dumb thing to do. I also think that if it would happen on a large scale, it would have been discovered once in a while. So it can't be happening a lot.

On this note I wonder why any reputable manager(s) would accept to manage a campaign where the campaign participants earn more than he does that's crazy if you ask me and if it's happening that means the attention of members have not been drawn to such things that's why it has not been exposed.

[examplens]

@Jollygood, you don't normally make a topic without already thinking someone or multiple someone's in this topic are doing what you're thinking, so I am more curious of who you think is cheating.

It seems to me that Jollygood already has some managers in mind to participate in their campaigns.

There are currently several active and proven managers, I don't think any of them participate with their alt accounts in them. I am referring to the BTC signature campaign. Just imagine how absurd it would be if someone who runs 5 campaigns needs to write 150-200 posts. At the same time, many managers hire assistants to make it easier for them to manage campaigns.

Maybe you mean managers who run bounty campaigns in the altcoin section, but I wouldn't even consider most of them managers, because it all looks quite uncontrolled, without a minimum of quality, and is full of spam.

[robelneo]

Well, I also wouldnt say its downright impossible for a campaign manager to secretly run an alt account pretending to be a genuine participant.  But it does seem pretty darn unlikely if you ask me.  Setting up and maintaining something like that would be a ton of extra work for them. .

I agree; it's too much work. They are managing campaigns, looking for new clients, and checking their participants.
Having four to five campaigns is too much; they cannot keep up with their numbers, following, and creating discussions.
A campaign manager can do that if he is only managing 1 or 2 campaigns, but more than 4, it will consume time and effort; they also have personal lives.