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May 23, 2025, 08:42:23 PM
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I'm considering applying this principle on the local board - it is bad for merit circulation to allow unsued souce to expire.

High quality: 5-6 merits ( could be higher in some cases)
Medium: 3-4 merits
Normal: 1-2

This way members can have enough Smerits to Merit another member to help in circulation.

what are your thoughts on this ?

If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down.

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May 23, 2025, 08:48:41 PM
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I still think this is how people are sending merits on the general boards, so it is not bad either on local board at all. Some people give higher merits on the general board than 6 merits. There is nothing bad about this at all.

I will advice you not to ask this kind of questions next time so far you are giving the merit to quality posts.

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May 23, 2025, 08:49:24 PM
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I would agree with your new discretion on sending merit as our local source, your idea is good and I would say 10 for high standards is good.

However, my concerns are you subjective classification of quality post, some times I make good and appreciable post in just two to three line and sometimes I write walls of text. It's very difficult to understand your perspective of quality post.

However I will keep contributing as much as I know to the local board and if it goes with your discretion then it's good.

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May 23, 2025, 08:51:28 PM
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I'm considering applying this principle on the local board - it is bad for merit circulation to allow unsued souce to expire.
But do sourced merit actually do expire?? Only do see such statement but have not seen any post of merit source talking about their monthly sourced merit expiring instead I do see the ones who parade up to 4k+ Smerit.


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High quality: 5-6 merits ( could be higher in some cases)
Medium: 3-4 merits
Normal: 1-2

This way members can have enough Smerits to Merit another member to help in circulation.

what are your thoughts on this ?
This way is actually nice, already you merit post base on the quality, have seen you send 2,4 and above, if you see post that deceive it more you can actually give higher but let it just get to all those who deserve it.

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May 23, 2025, 08:52:13 PM
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It's quite very thoughtful of you to always lookout ways to make our local board better and reach out to almost everybody, and even doing more in that regard. I commend your abilities Igebotz and we're sure lucky to have you. I love that Idea and surely it would be beneficial to the local board and improve the quality of engagement here, when we've enough, we would be compelled to distribute more efficiently and organically. Let's implement it right away and see how it goes, I'm very optimistic on this. You've my support.

You can give as much as your discretion allows, not limiting it to just 6, if you see one that's worth more, please give more.

 
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May 23, 2025, 08:58:03 PM
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This is a great initiative and I'm okay with it because it will result to merit circulation in our local board, now I would like to urge every member in the board to also partake in distributing merit when you receive make sure you distribute to quality posts only as it will help increase more quality posts in the board.
Sir Igebotz you are really bringing up good innovations in merit distribution and also in making the local board a wonderful place and also making sure we all follow rules and regulations of the forum keep it up.


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May 23, 2025, 09:08:53 PM
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I still think this is how people are sending merits on the general boards, so it is not bad either on local board at all. Some people give higher merits on the general board than 6 merits. There is nothing bad about this at all.

I will advice you not to ask this kind of questions next time so far you are giving the merit to quality posts.

Not every one, only few sources with more than 500 monthly allocation gives that much trying to burn out their sources - everyone likes to do that but those of us with limited sources try to manage it so we don't go out of it easily. I like to make my decision based on what the community wants, I'm running an open system so I think the question is valid in this context.

However, my concerns are you subjective classification of quality post, some times I make good and appreciable post in just two to three line and sometimes I write walls of text. It's very difficult to understand your perspective of quality post. 

A one liner direct quality post is worth more than a wall of text with repetitive words. Quality is not by the length of a post but the value it gives.

But do sourced merit actually do expire?? Only do see such statement but have not seen any post of merit source talking about their monthly sourced merit expiring instead I do see the ones who parade up to 4k+ Smerit.

I don't know how to explain this to you - if you're given 10 and manage to exhaust only 5, you get only 10 again the next month, the other 5 doesn't roll over.

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May 23, 2025, 09:11:31 PM
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It's a nice move and I really love what will increase the growth of this community, so if you decided to send such merits to people then it's fine, this will increase quality post in the board since almost lot of people would be targeting to earn higher merits they wouldn't mind putting their best on every post and comments the makes on our the local board. Though this isn't new any way because in the general board there are some people who dispatches more than depending on their allocations. Again, if you think there are enough smerits to give out I will also suggest you look into  report "Quality post to earn merits" I don't know if that thread is still existing.
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It's not a bad idea... even though It's the job of a source to determine how they send thier merit..
But do sourced merit actually do expire?? Only do see such statement but have not seen any post of merit source talking about their monthly sourced merit expiring instead I do see the ones who parade up to 4k+ Smerit.
Theymos himself mentioned it in the post Igebotz quoted..  Also, why would they need to make post about it claiming their merit expired when it already clearly started  it does expired.
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I don't know how to explain this to you - if you're given 10 and manage to exhaust only 5, you get only 10 again the next month, the other 5 doesn't roll over.
Still means it expired, because the 5 could have been given out to get a full refill..

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But do sourced merit actually do expire?? Only do see such statement but have not seen any post of merit source talking about their monthly sourced merit expiring instead I do see the ones who parade up to 4k+ Smerit.
I don't know how to explain this to you - if you're given 10 and manage to exhaust only 5, you get only 10 again the next month, the other 5 doesn't roll over.
Let me get it straight and try to explain it in a way I understand if I get you correctly;

Let’s say for instance if you have about 5 Smerit left unspend in your profile aside from the Smerit from the merit you earn from merited post, the next month you will only get a total of your monthly allocation minus the balance of last month, either the previous is minus from what will be sent in other to sum same figure to the exact monthly allocation.


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Not every one, only few sources with more than 500 monthly allocation gives that much trying to burn out their sources - everyone likes to do that but those of us with limited sources try to manage it so we don't go out of it easily.
You mean you may not be capable not doing that? If your merit allocation will not make you be able to do that, just be doing it like you are doing it. But I check your merit history now and I see you giving people up to 10 merits at times while 5 merits but maybe not common. Although, if you think you want to increase it for people to be able to send to others in one way or the other, I do not think it is necessary.

I like to make my decision based on what the community wants, I'm running an open system so I think the question is valid in this context.
It is just an advice. If you are sharing the merit in the right way, we know. We know that you are trying.

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You know better as the local board merit source how to call a post a low, medium or high quality post. Your way of grading these posts into those categories may differ how others see it, but it is in your own discretion you’ll take action upon how many merit you would want to give such post.

Your idea of meriting more a post based on the quality is a good one, we can’t get to be having merit not used all and expired which doesn’t roll over for the next month when many are complaining in the local board that no enough merit is in circulation. I like the question you brought up to the community to decide on, and I will say it is a good suggestion which should be implemented here as it is in the general board.

 
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Only the person sending the merits can determine how to allocate the merits. With how subjective quality is, everyone here may have different views on what is high quality and what's normal. Trying to automate the system can lead to issues with users asking why their post, which they consider to be high quality, did not get theexpected amount of merits.

You just have to try working effectively with the amount of source merits available.

But do sourced merit actually do expire??
Yes, unused sourse merits expire at the end of the month.

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You mean you may not be capable not doing that? If your merit allocation will not make you be able to do that, just be doing it like you are doing it. But I check your merit history now and I see you giving people up to 10 merits at times while 5 merits but maybe not common. Although, if you think you want to increase it for people to be able to send to others in one way or the other, I do not think it is necessary.

All the 8-10 merits goes to this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5522344.100 only few of my personal Smerits goes to the gambling and general board( not every application goes through)

Only the person sending the merits can determine how to allocate the merits. With how subjective quality is, everyone here may have different views on what is high quality and what's normal. Trying to automate the system can lead to issues with users asking why their post, which they consider to be high quality, did not get theexpected amount of merits.

You just have to try working effectively with the amount of source merits available.

I got you, but I'm looking at it this way: there has been a recent decrease in what I consider to be a quality post worth merits on the board; so, instead of letting my source expire, why not empty it on the little quality I can find?- this way I'm also creating more Smerits on the board.

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May 23, 2025, 10:51:53 PM
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But do sourced merit actually do expire?? Only do see such statement but have not seen any post of merit source talking about their monthly sourced merit expiring instead I do see the ones who parade up to 4k+ Smerit.

I don't know how to explain this to you - if you're given 10 and manage to exhaust only 5, you get only 10 again the next month, the other 5 doesn't roll over.
Well I get your point now, so that is for example when a total of 100 merits are being allocated to source and they spend only 80 remaining 20 left, when toping up to you again instead of having 120 as total allocation you would now be topped just 100 and the previous left 20 wouldn't count anymore, or we can say they will automatically top 80 back to the remaining 20 to make it back 100.

In summary, what you spend that is what they top back the next month, So it doesn't expires rather they top back what you spent added to the left over to give you back the exact allocation.

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May 23, 2025, 11:18:40 PM
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However, my concerns are you subjective classification of quality post, some times I make good and appreciable post in just two to three line and sometimes I write walls of text. It's very difficult to understand your perspective of quality post.  
A one liner direct quality post is worth more than a wall of text with repetitive words. Quality is not by the length of a post but the value it gives.
True a one liner post can speak much and be more understandable than a wall of text which a user might used and then it may be view as such user is just trying to reach the words of post accepted in the campaign they are participants or trying to earn because sometimes by this method one is just like beating around the bush.

I got you, but I'm looking at it this way: there has been a recent decrease in what I consider to be a quality post worth merits on the board; so, instead of letting my source expire, why not empty it on the little quality I can find?- this way I'm also creating more Smerits on the board.
This is a good one but I hope we in the forum doesn't hoard our Smerit and possibly try to improve in the quality of our post and in our view of quality. In order for the Smerit not to be distributed that doesn't actually deserve it or that much, and by this our distributed merits would increase and including post quality of our Lb, which will bring more positive reputation to us.

 
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May 24, 2025, 02:17:40 AM
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I got you, but I'm looking at it this way: there has been a recent decrease in what I consider to be a quality post worth merits on the board; so, instead of letting my source expire, why not empty it on the little quality I can find?- this way I'm also creating more Smerits on the board.
Hmm. the idea isnt bad afterall. It is a strategic move from our one and only moderator to push your sMerits just before they expire. This will surely help the system. But ill love to make  a sensitive point here;

Here is the thing. You say there are less quality post, but if we dig more, we will see enough quality post that could match up your sMerits without having to empty them on few. Post of real value are lurking here if more filtering is done we will see. Yeah, I know that might be inconvenient for you.

Didn’t you give Mia Chloe the role of doing thorough merit-scraping on a monthly basis? Or was that a temporary assignment?  Wink

Regardless, your idea could work well if you time it right. Am only stating that emptying your merits on worthy posts right before your allocation expires is good but the risk is you will empty your sMerits early, and then suddenly another post worth meriting appears and you’re dry. What then?

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May 24, 2025, 04:48:53 AM
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To me, d principle is not bad, and it will Make merits to circulate small, if u look at d naija local board very well op u will no that new people are joining d local board daily to learn from senior members and d senior members that have majority of quality posts lack merits to encourage d new members that are improving in quality post in d local board, I believe our merits source no wat to do to make d local board enjoy wat other local board in d forum are enjoying.

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I'm considering applying this principle on the local board - it is bad for merit circulation to allow unsued souce to expire.

High quality: 5-6 merits ( could be higher in some cases)
Medium: 3-4 merits
Normal: 1-2

This way members can have enough Smerits to Merit another member to help in circulation.

what are your thoughts on this ?

If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down.

This is a nice move towards devising for a means to evenly share the merits allocation to members and not only that, but to the quality and deserving posts, its not a bad idea, since we all have seen the likes of other merits sources having their own pattern in giving out merits to members, a good example is fillippone and we also have The Sceptical Chymist, which they all have their own unique way in distributing merits, everything has to do with an understanding as well as the required corporation needed from us to support this idea of yours and make it a reality, so from my end, i see this as a good initiative if implemented and could help in so many ways for the local board to continue to develop in activities.

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May 24, 2025, 12:48:34 PM
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OP, you should give the merits out based on the level of quality of a post and your merit formula is cool because post quality different from each other and likewise the merits shoukd also differ. Looking out to get members opinions on how to merit a post is good and that shows a sign of humility and zeal to serve our LB in a manner of love.

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