Iran - Israel War

[franky1]

Israeli tank shellfire killed at least 51 Palestinians as they awaited aid trucks, because of Hamas

i cant be bothered to correct you every time. if you want to remain ignorant thats on you.. but lets just use the first link as an example
1. it was not a food aid site,
2. the crowds were not peacefully queuing up
3. crowds of thousands ascended on the trucks before they even got to a distribution site
4. isreali troops defending the trucks know hamas try ambush techniques via creating panic with the innocent palestinians to cause them to rush the supplies and become cannon fodder/human shields

1-Israeli forces kill 51 Palestinians waiting for flour at Gaza aid site, witnesses and rescuers say...More than 200 people were reportedly injured but we all believe random forum member over BBC
2-irrelevant, not justification for opening fire at civilians
3-irrelevant, not justification for opening fire at civilians
4-ahh i see Israel forces were just defending the trucks and the civilians driving them. Well, at least technically that's a justification, but then questions of proportionality, protecting civilians from harm, and minimization of civilian casualties under Geneva convention come into play, but i guess IDF don't really care about that document, right?

Almost all the casualties in Gaza in recent days have been linked to the delivery of aid rather than Israeli strikes on Hamas targets.

Surely must be just a coincidence, right   ? Or wait has Hamas gotten into BBC too  ?

We should all ignore what UNICEF, ICRC, ICC, and mass media reports, and just believe what you/Israel says, essentially just close our eyes at let Israel kill as many civilians in Gaza as they wish because you know...Hamas

1.  both the BBC and reuters links write about it not being at a food aid site (should you read passed the clickbait)
     even hamas admit "The Hamas-run civil defence agency said Israeli troops fired on crowds near the aid site"

the crowds were not just peacefully walking, they came with donkeys hauling trailers, they came with cars and vans .. which got treated not as people just wanting their few day rations as expected, but wanted to take more then each would have fairly been intended to carry

even the BBC link says
"It also said the desperate need for food was causing large crowds to gather along well-known transport routes, hoping to intercept and access humanitarian supplies while in transit."
now how do you expect a interception to occur of a moving truck.. obvious answer, attack the truck

2&3 relevant, because peaceful crowd queuing respectfully at aid site would have got food parcels
       by rushing the trucks before it reached the site causes truck defending troops to fear it being a attack
4. your ignorance ignored the verbal warnings, the warning shots infront but not at civilians.. but when those warnings did not disperse the crowds and thousands continued ascending on the trucks, it escalates things
investigations from both sides admit that civilians were goaded into going to the main road used to deliver aid instead waiting at the destinations distribution site.. goaded by hamas telling thousands that there was only enough food for hundreds. goading then to overwhelm the trucks and take as much as they can carry

.. but let me guess you will just read more gaza propaganda to suggest isreal dont want to send supplies, and instead youll think isreal is stealing(food they sent in) to stop people getting it and so hamas have to lead civilian clans of attacks

anyway back to the topic at hand
high tech expensive weapons of precision were used in iran to take out critical infrastructure and personnel related to nuclear procurement/processing

however years of fighting hamas in gaza has lead to (the analogy of throwing cavemen rocks) of using cheap unsophisticated weapons.. but where isreal has shown clear examples of giving civilians warnings first to give them the time and option to move away from the danger to limit collateral damage
(something many hamas fangirls ignore)

[mikeywith]

@DaRude

Do yourself a favour and stop feeding that troll.
He is a paid propagandist, he is against-truth, all he preaches is lies, be it politics or even Bitcoin -- put him on your ignore list and move on.

[DaRude]

Israeli tank shellfire killed at least 51 Palestinians as they awaited aid trucks, because of Hamas

i cant be bothered to correct you every time. if you want to remain ignorant thats on you.. but lets just use the first link as an example
1. it was not a food aid site,
2. the crowds were not peacefully queuing up
3. crowds of thousands ascended on the trucks before they even got to a distribution site
4. isreali troops defending the trucks know hamas try ambush techniques via creating panic with the innocent palestinians to cause them to rush the supplies and become cannon fodder/human shields

1-Israeli forces kill 51 Palestinians waiting for flour at Gaza aid site, witnesses and rescuers say...More than 200 people were reportedly injured but we all believe random forum member over BBC
2-irrelevant, not justification for opening fire at civilians
3-irrelevant, not justification for opening fire at civilians
4-ahh i see Israel forces were just defending the trucks and the civilians driving them. Well, at least technically that's a justification, but then questions of proportionality, protecting civilians from harm, and minimization of civilian casualties under Geneva convention come into play, but i guess IDF don't really care about that document, right?

Almost all the casualties in Gaza in recent days have been linked to the delivery of aid rather than Israeli strikes on Hamas targets.

Surely must be just a coincidence, right   ? Or wait has Hamas gotten into BBC too  ?

We should all ignore what UNICEF, ICRC, ICC, and mass media reports, and just believe what you/Israel says, essentially just close our eyes at let Israel kill as many civilians in Gaza as they wish because you know...Hamas

1.  both the BBC and reuters links write about it not being at a food aid site (should you read passed the clickbait)
     even hamas admit "The Hamas-run civil defence agency said Israeli troops fired on crowds near the aid site"

the crowds were not just peacefully walking, they came with donkeys hauling trailers, they came with cars and vans .. which got treated not as people just wanting their few day rations as expected, but wanted to take more then each would have fairly been intended to carry

even the BBC link says
"It also said the desperate need for food was causing large crowds to gather along well-known transport routes, hoping to intercept and access humanitarian supplies while in transit."
now how do you expect a interception to occur of a moving truck.. obvious answer, attack the truck

2&3 relevant, because peaceful crowd queuing respectfully at aid site would have got food parcels
       by rushing the trucks before it reached the site causes truck defending troops to fear it being a attack
4. your ignorance ignored the verbal warnings, the warning shots infront but not at civilians.. but when those warnings did not disperse the crowds and thousands continued ascending on the trucks, it escalates things
investigations from both sides admit that civilians were goaded into going to the main road used to deliver aid instead waiting at the destinations distribution site.. goaded by hamas telling thousands that there was only enough food for hundreds. goading then to overwhelm the trucks and take as much as they can carry

.. but let me guess you will just read more gaza propaganda to suggest isreal dont want to send supplies, and instead youll think isreal is stealing(food they sent in) to stop people getting it and so hamas have to lead civilian clans of attacks

anyway back to the topic at hand
high tech expensive weapons of precision were used in iran to take out critical infrastructure and personnel related to nuclear procurement/processing

however years of fighting hamas in gaza has lead to (the analogy of throwing cavemen rocks) of using cheap unsophisticated weapons.. but where isreal has shown clear examples of giving civilians warnings first to give them the time and option to move away from the danger to limit collateral damage
(something many hamas fangirls ignore)

Ahh, well glad you cleared it up, those details surely make all of the difference, and justify killing one, two, five, ten, twenty five, 51 and probably even 100 innocent people and wounding couple hundred more. Hell, if we could find any kind of a weapon, even a kitchen knife on one of them, probably up to a thousand women and children could be mowed down by Israel with such solid logic, and everyone would be totally fine with that in the civilized world. Because when considering genocide, ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, and the proportionality of a military action, the most important thing that everyone should consider is how civil starving victims behaved, and whether a warning was provided before murdering them all.

Because we shouldn't concentrate on the amount of innocent children killed but what was it that those little kids do, to provoke and leave no choice to IDF but to shoot at them, their parents, and grandparents with a tank and missiles.

Can you explain exactly what you mean by "limiting" collateral damage? That is, what factors make collateral damage limited? What would make collateral damage not limited for you? Would you be able to provide an example of excessive collateral damage? Is there even such simple concept as a disproportionate use of force in Israel, or literally anything goes in Gaza because, you know, Hamas?

[Fiatless]

@DaRude

Do yourself a favour and stop feeding that troll.
He is a paid propagandist; he is against truth, all he preaches are lies, be it politics or even Bitcoin -- put him on your ignore list and move on.

This advice is not directed at me. But I would have to accept it. When someone sees that truth but consciously promotes the opposite, then there is no need to keep arguing. The genocide that is happening in Gaza will hunt the perpetrators and maybe its supporters in the future.

Thank you @mikeywith.

[aoluain]

Hey Community!

The USA has been saying that it wants a peace deal with Iran, and the middle country was Oman. They are supposed to be in a meeting this Sunday (today) on Mascot regarding the peace deal. But suddenly out of nowhere, Israel attacked Iran and killed 9 Nuclear scientists and a couple of high officials. Some people are saying Iran does not want peace.

Well, if so, why did Israel attack Iran while they were supposed to be in a meeting in two days? At first, the USA said they didn't know anything about this attack. A day later, Trump said he knew everything and that the attack happened using US weapons.

The so-called peace deal meeting was just in case Iran refuses to talk, so they can blame Iran. The plan was that, no matter if Iran agrees or not, the USA will attack Iran using Israel. Israel attacked four countries in the last seven days. What do they want, actually? Peace, or some pieces of these countries?

Isreal has been pedaling the idea of Iran being on the verge of creating nuclear
weapons for 20 odd years.

The IAEA announced very recently that Iran has withheld information about
some of its Uranium enrichment activities, this was a green light for Israel to attack.
It was also stated by the IAEA that there is no indication that Iran are any closer to
building nuclear weapons.

No middle eastern state (apert from Isreal) is allowed to own/create nuclear weapons.
And this is enforced by a rogue nation who have not signed up to the proliferation of
nuclear weapons.

It is also a widely adhered to agreement that you dont endanger or directly attack
nuclear installments but not so for the rogue state, they can do what they want.

[tvbcof]

A really positive outcome of this war would be regime change in Israel, and it doesn't seem far-fetched.

Even on Bitchute I saw a flash of a vid about civil disobedience in Israel against the Netansatan (Gift from Satan) government and their suicidal death-wishes, but it vanished very quickly.  Clearly it is a VERY high sensitivity issue in zionaziland and managed with much higher priority than even the destruction of Tel Aviv.

At this point it looks like the best hope Israel has is just to capitulate.  They may have simply fucked up to badly and the situation is not salvageable for them.  And enough Israelis will understand this.  With sane leadership, the surrender of Israel could strip them of their nukes which would let the whole world breath easier, and also the settlement of the Palestinian genocide with a genuine two-state solution.

Hopefully the real-estate clock would be rolled back past the mistake where the U.N. gave 1/3 of the population 2/3 of the land and thus created the conditions for psychopathic genocide we have seen this year in Gaza.  I know from my reading of historical documents that well before the foundation of the state of Israel, informed planners were well aware of the psychopathy of the Zionists and religious freaks.  That's why they put Jerusalem in Jordanian hands.

[montaga]

If you’re still pick a side, you’re already controlled, you are lost, game over

[pooya87]

Isreal has been pedaling the idea of Iran being on the verge of creating nuclear
weapons for 20 odd years.

[Akbarkoe]

Previously, Iran was a friendly country for Israel and the US, Iran had quite harmonious relations with both countries before the Iranian revolution in 1979 which made Iran a former republic that was anti-Israel and also the West. and after that incident the relationship between the three countries has never improved until now. and as a result of that incident Iran received quite heavy sanctions from western countries, especially from the US. Seeing so many sanctions imposed on Iran which made the Iranian economy weak and even their currency became one of the weakest in the world, no one thought that the country would survive.

However, it was unexpected that this pressure made Iran a fairly independent country, and did not depend on western countries like most other Middle Eastern countries, even amazingly Iran was able to build its own military facilities. and seeing how independent Iran is, propaganda began to be carried out by the US and Israel to be able to bring down Iran, until it peaked this year, where Iran was accused of being in the middle of developing to make nuclear weapons. And this is also the reason why Israel carried out a direct attack on Iran which killed Iranian officials and also young Iranian intellectuals.

At this time the conflict between the two sides continues, victims continue to fall and cities continue to be destroyed. and what I worry about, in the midst of the attacks carried out by Iran which have made Israel quite overwhelmed, Israel is trying to drag the US to be directly involved in this conflict. It is quite worrying because if the US is directly involved in this conflict and decides to send weapons directly to the conflict area, then this will trigger several other countries to join in this conflict, especially China and Russia who have quite large interests in the Iranian region.

[franky1]

propaganda began to be carried out by the US and Israel to be able to bring down Iran, until it peaked this year, where Iran was accused of being in the middle of developing to make nuclear weapons. And this is also the reason why Israel carried out a direct attack on Iran which killed Iranian officials and also young Iranian intellectuals.

wrong
iran themselves admitted they want to have a nuclear bomb.
they admitted breaching the NPT
they admitted they dont want to sign new peace deals and declined the invitation to a peace deal negotiation meeting this month

the declining of peacedeals and the admission of having facilities capable of making bomb quality nuclear material, and the desire to do so.. is what triggered isreal to strike facilities and personnel related to nuclear research to prevent their progress, as isreal is irans main enemy/target should they gain such nuke bomb tech

kind of funny that you just call them "young iranian intellectuals".. we both know what education they studied in

[bitLeap]

The more we try to look at the case, the more it keeps getting complicated.
If I'm to use what I've read and watched to place my own judgement, I might be wrong, because at this point, I don't even know what is true and what is not.

From what I have read so far, the meeting was never about a peaceful talk, but it was about stopping Iran from getting involve in Nuclear weapon production. AFAIK, Israel beliefs that Iran could be a threat if they continue to produce nuclear weapon, so therefore, they should either be monitored or be stopped(not sure now). Tbh, feeling that nobody should do what you are permitted to do sounds like trouble to me. And from reports, Israel is trying to drag the US into the fight, which won't be a wise thing to.

The truth is, this whole story keeps getting crazy, and the media on the other hand are making things a bit interesting and worse. I have seen so many false videos on X(Twitter), all in the name of selling news to the people. It's a shame. It is crazy and disappointing to see people losing their lives just for the interest of those that don't put them at heart. I really hope they resolve the whole issue soon.

There is only one thing that crossed my mind, namely: are they that afraid if Iran has Nuclear? Seriously I wonder, are they afraid if Iran, which has been sanctioned many times and even crossed out in the eyes of the world by the US when it is able to make Nuclear, that means the US and its allies are afraid that their power is no longer useful. Because the essence of everything is about power, the US also has double standards and you should also know that this is an open secret in the eyes of the world. But why don't other countries dare to oppose? because they are already trapped by political, economic, etc. matters. While Iran stands firm even though it has been subject to international sanctions many times and they even have more power.

then what right does Israel have? join in stopping Iran? well here is the crux of the problem why this all gets complicated. From the start if Israel hadn't started then this war would never have happened, right? unfortunately it was too late. After being attacked back by Iran, interestingly Israel complained to its mother.

Now we are just watching the Meteor Garden series in the 2025 era.

[Fiatless]

Isreal has been pedaling the idea of Iran being on the verge of creating nuclear
weapons for 20 odd years.

Even the majority of Americans know that the news of Iran developing a nuclear weapon on weeks was a lie told to attack Iran. The US intelligence community affirmed that the government of Iran has not ordered the restart of the suspended nuclear weapons programme. King Trump disputed the reports of the country's intelligence because he wanted to start a war. Now Tulsi Gabbard has been forced to contradict her testimony before Congress because an emperor has forced her to lie.

[Accardo]

Even the majority of Americans know that the news of Iran developing a nuclear weapon on weeks was a lie told to attack Iran. The US intelligence community affirmed that the government of Iran has not ordered the restart of the suspended nuclear weapons programme. King Trump disputed the reports of the country's intelligence because he wanted to start a war.

US will never be comfortable with the Idea of Iran having a nuclear weapon, Trump asked a reporter who questioned him of the war against Iran whether she'll be happy to watch a hostile nation own a weapon that destroys the world? Iran says the programme wasn't designed to launch any form of attack on other countries, but Trump is a superstitious person and believes that 20years later Iran could change their mind and start threatening the US with the nuke.

However all his efforts can only delay Iran's possession of a nuclear weapon, for a nation with Uranium close to 60% of becoming a little boy, even if Israel distroyed the total amount of sites where the programme is held, the Iranian government will probably find its way around starting a new one and someday complete the assimilation.

[paxmao]

Isreal has been pedaling the idea of Iran being on the verge of creating nuclear
weapons for 20 odd years.

Even the majority of Americans know that the news of Iran developing a nuclear weapon on weeks was a lie told to attack Iran. The US intelligence community affirmed that the government of Iran has not ordered the restart of the suspended nuclear weapons programme. King Trump disputed the reports of the country's intelligence because he wanted to start a war. Now Tulsi Gabbard has been forced to contradict her testimony before Congress because an emperor has forced her to lie.

The problem is that there are several reports of the IAEA, which are less than a decade old and tend to be quite factual saying that Iran has been effective developing the technologies required for a missile launched nuclear weapon. Please note "missile launched", which is much more difficult than other ways of delivering.

If Iran is close to the objective or not close to the objective is relatively irrelevant - what does matter is that they have been playing cat and mouse and eventually may reach their goal.

Such a goal is unnacceptable for Israel, the US and to others  - again not today, not in a week, not in a year. Build a new nuclear programme, keep calling for the destruction of Israel and you will get a war.

[Fiatless]

Isreal has been pedaling the idea of Iran being on the verge of creating nuclear
weapons for 20 odd years.

Even the majority of Americans know that the news of Iran developing a nuclear weapon on weeks was a lie told to attack Iran. The US intelligence community affirmed that the government of Iran has not ordered the restart of the suspended nuclear weapons programme. King Trump disputed the reports of the country's intelligence because he wanted to start a war. Now Tulsi Gabbard has been forced to contradict her testimony before Congress because an emperor has forced her to lie.

The problem is that there are several reports of the IAEA, which are less than a decade old and tend to be quite factual saying that Iran has been effective developing the technologies required for a missile launched nuclear weapon. Please note "missile launched", which is much more difficult than other ways of delivering.

If Iran is close to the objective or not close to the objective is relatively irrelevant - what does matter is that they have been playing cat and mouse and eventually may reach their goal.

Such a goal is unnacceptable for Israel, the US and to others  - again not today, not in a week, not in a year. Build a new nuclear programme, keep calling for the destruction of Israel and you will get a war.

So can we conclude that the report from the US intelligence community is wrong? A country should not be bombarded based on mere speculations. The same thing happened in Iraq when George W. Bush claimed the country had reconstituted nuclear weapons. Bush led the US to attack Iraq even when intelligence and other U.S. officials didn't find any substantial evidence that the accusation was true. Did they find any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

[Agbamoni]

This is so embarrassing, did he just said "Now is the time for peace"? This does not look like peace, why do I smell war between US and Iran, now Russian can join in and support Iran since US has taking a massive striker at Iran.

My heart is with the people of Iran affected by the attack today, wishing peace, strength and I hope this ends soon.

I am now reading this article from Trosten Prochnow o X - https://x.com/TorstenProchnow/status/1936574309322916027

[khaled0111]

"THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER", really!!

now Russian can join in and support Iran since US has taking a massive striker at Iran.

This will never happen.

[BADecker]

"THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER", really!!

now Russian can join in and support Iran since US has taking a massive striker at Iran.

This will never happen.

You are probably right. It isn't that Russia feels too weak to mess with the US. Rather it's because Putin wants to do business with the US and the world... like Russia was doing with Iran.

This has probably left Putin in quite a quandary, trying to figure out how to support Iran without breaking up potential economic advantages with the US.

Essentially anything could happen. Russian nukes are stationed worldwide. More than likely, if Medvedev were running the show in Russia, we'd be already seeing massive tidal wave nuclear explosions off the coasts of all the free world countries that have such coasts.

[franky1]

russia said they would only get involved if the iranian supreme leader was taken out.. and this is why america said to isreal not to take out the supreme leader

russia wont get involved due to america destroying irans nuclear capability. russia 'could' get involved if america destroyed russian stuff, such as embassies or any bases with russian troops.. which is not the case. so no reason for russia to intervene

for instance iran has been shouting terror messages of "death to isreal, death to america" for years. iran want genocide. but america have been standing back as iran has not been hitting US stuff last yeas-this spring.. but when iran hit a us embassy in isreal recently. this gave the US "the in" to be able to get involved, and so they did

..
as for striking nuclear research sites where iran has shown full intent to create nuke bombs.. i see no negative on the worlds front in destroying these sites. its a benefit to all countries to take out these sites... its the whole point of th NPT. and majority of the worlds countries are part of the NPT

now that irans nuclear agenda is set back a few years, and not ready in a few weeks anymore.. their threats are now empty of mass killing capability..

iran are wasting alot of their ballistic stockpile too..out of a reported stock pile of 2000 ballistic missiles.. 520 have been fired.. 495 were exploded mid-air by isreali-us defences and only 25 got through and hit ground
so all isreal and america need to do is repeat this 3 more times.. or just strike irans stockpiles before they even leave the warehouses/storage

many countries can see that the iranian battles can be over quickly. and see no big LEGAL reason to intervene.. leaving iran with less choices, where the only real end option is to sign the peace deals they have avoided this year

[virasog]

This is so embarrassing, did he just said "Now is the time for peace"? This does not look like peace, why do I smell war between US and Iran, now Russian can join in and support Iran since US has taking a massive striker at Iran.

My heart is with the people of Iran affected by the attack today, wishing peace, strength and I hope this ends soon.

I am now reading this article from Trosten Prochnow o X - https://x.com/TorstenProchnow/status/1936574309322916027

This is one side of the story that Trump and the media are reporting. On the other side, the Iranian media is denying any nuclear damage and they are saying that they have already evacuated nuclear setups from those places.

Market News Feed:
SENIOR IRANIAN SOURCE: MOST OF THE HIGHLY ENRICHED URANIUM AT FORDOW WAS MOVED TO AN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION BEFORE THE US ATTACK. ...

I am not saying that Iranian media is speaking false, but we just aren't aware of how much damage has been done exactly. A lot depends upon how Iran retaliates to all these developments. Will they now carry out strikes on the US air bases in the neighboring Muslim countries? Doing so will engage more nations directly in this War that is now turning into a WW3