Institutional investors lower the price of Bitcoin,so that they can get it cheap

[Berryfolia]

I think it’s more of the old Bitcoin investors back from 2010 that now own $100M or more in Bitcoin,than new institutional investors for the following reasons;

1. Old Bitcoin investors have done this 20times in the last 8years,so they will surely do this again.
Institutional investors have done this before.Although,they have probably done this with stocks a few time before now,however it is very illegal with stock,so doing that is not something many people would do.

2. Old Bitcoin investors don’t care. No one knows who they are and it’s very unlikely for them to get caught.Also,it’s not really illegal to manipulate Bitcoin prices because its legislation is still unclear and a grey area.
Institutional investors have to play by the book,they have company guidelines,CEOs and board members,rather unlikely that rogue employee dumps all these Bitcoins without anyone knowing.If this were really an institutional investor,the whole board,CEO,employees would need to be complicit,which will just  doesn’t make sense.
Sure,it’s not illegal per say but institutional investors have more to lose here than to gain.For them,crypto is still a testing ground and they don’t have too much money in it.

3. Institutional investors would need to own Bitcoin in the first place before they could dump them.
Over the last 6months Bitcoin has been very stable and there was too much of an opportunity to buy large amounts.
Sure,there were a lots of OTC purchases,but they also affect the market,Old Bitcoin investors already own the Bitcoins and they can sell them at will.
Furthermore,i don’t think it is institutional investors but rather old Bitcoin whales getting back into the Bitcoin manipulation game.

However,i think that the Bitcoin whales have told institutional investors what they are up to,they have likely told them through the grapevine that they will dump the price to $4,xxx,so that they have institutional investors with them in order to have a stronger pump.
In all,i believe this doesn’t incriminate institutional investors at all because they know what’s going on in the market.

[Russlenat]

All those theories on what causes a market dump are largely speculative. In reality, whenever institutional investors step in and start buying and holding, the price stabilizes quickly. We’ve already hit a new all-time high this year, and Bitcoin is still above $100 K, no meaningful bearish correction in sight. Your scenarios might hold in isolated cases, but looking at the long term, Bitcoin is squarely in bullish mode.

[batang_bitcoin]

We see that often even in the past that there were large names spreading FUD to lower the price. And we can connect it with that plan of theirs of accumulating at the bottom. That's how they want to make their buys classy and profitable when they've bought it in the dip. And that's why when there are statements made by prominent people in the economy and they are giving a biased statement, you might think of why he's doing that.

[Merit.s]

This is a norm in the cryptospace, whales will make the price dip so that weak hands can panic and sell while they buy cheaper. I wouldn't be surprised if the last dip of bitcoin price caused by Trump's increased in tariff initially was for him and his friends to accumulate bitcoin at a cheaper price.

After, they must have accumulated enough, they let the price move as expected. This is why plebs like use don't need to panic whenere is a dip but use the opportunity to buy more bitcoin because the bitcoin price will definitely bounce back and higher than the previous price

[odolvlobo]

You have made a lot of claims that are backed up by nothing. You might want to adjust your tinfoil hat and try again.

[Lida93]

I think it’s more of the old Bitcoin investors back from 2010 that now own $100M or more in Bitcoin,than new institutional investors for the following reasons;

1. Old Bitcoin investors have done this 20times in the last 8years,so they will surely do this again.
Institutional investors have done this before.Although,they have probably done this with stocks a few time before now,however it is very illegal with stock,so doing that is not something many people would do.

2. Old Bitcoin investors don’t care. No one knows who they are and it’s very unlikely for them to get caught.Also,it’s not really illegal to manipulate Bitcoin prices because its legislation is still unclear and a grey area.
Institutional investors have to play by the book,they have company guidelines,CEOs and board members,rather unlikely that rogue employee dumps all these Bitcoins without anyone knowing.If this were really an institutional investor,the whole board,CEO,employees would need to be complicit,which will just  doesn’t make sense.
Sure,it’s not illegal per say but institutional investors have more to lose here than to gain.For them,crypto is still a testing ground and they don’t have too much money in it.

3. Institutional investors would need to own Bitcoin in the first place before they could dump them.
Over the last 6months Bitcoin has been very stable and there was too much of an opportunity to buy large amounts.
Sure,there were a lots of OTC purchases,but they also affect the market,Old Bitcoin investors already own the Bitcoins and they can sell them at will.
Furthermore,i don’t think it is institutional investors but rather old Bitcoin whales getting back into the Bitcoin manipulation game.

However,i think that the Bitcoin whales have told institutional investors what they are up to,they have likely told them through the grapevine that they will dump the price to $4,xxx,so that they have institutional investors with them in order to have a stronger pump.
In all,i believe this doesn’t incriminate institutional investors at all because they know what’s going on in the market.

FUD news and FOMO has  normally been the tools used by the big whales in upsetting the market. For us that have been around for some appreciable time we know about this and doesn't see any bitcoin dip as anything disturbing anymore because we all know and understand the endgame... and that's that bitcoin price will rise again after all the fuss.

But what I don't fall in with you OP, is your claims, in your last paragraph. You should have evidence to backup your claims to make them more rational.

[Alpha Marine]

What you're trying to explain is market manipulation, and as much as bitcoin market manipulation is possible, its easier said than done. I'm not saying it does happen, but the fact that a person or people have $100 million in bitcoin doesn't mean they can manipulate the market anyhow they want. The fact that you are an old bitcoin investor with over $100 million doesn't mean you can manipulate the market if you want to.

For you to be able to manipulate the market, you have to be be very influncial within the bitcoin community, not just have a lot of bitcoin, and you're going to be able to create a situation (mostly through rumours) where a lot of people will want to dumb their bitcoin thereby reduce demand and reducing the price.
These days, people involved in bitcoin know better than they did in the past. In the past, every negative news, every large sale, every political unrest in certain areas could result in people panic selling their bitcoin, but now, people have more trust in bitcoin.
Not every bitcoin dip is a market manipulation.

[Dave1]

This is a norm in the cryptospace, whales will make the price dip so that weak hands can panic and sell while they buy cheaper. I wouldn't be surprised if the last dip of bitcoin price caused by Trump's increased in tariff initially was for him and his friends to accumulate bitcoin at a cheaper price.

After, they must have accumulated enough, they let the price move as expected. This is why plebs like use don't need to panic whenere is a dip but use the opportunity to buy more bitcoin because the bitcoin price will definitely bounce back and higher than the previous price

Although the market is too big to fall for now, or even manipulated, but if there are certain news that will make some investors panic, then obviously the price will go down. But in any case, there are still the majority of us who don't think that way, but instead take advantage of every dip and buy.

Same with institutional investors, not just them, but everyone wants to buy cheap Bitcoin, so I don't think we need to blame them when the prices lower. It's just the nature of Bitcoin, it can't go parabolic forever. Even in bull run, the price will have to go down as it's a healthy process because there will be a lot of investors that can buy if that happens and enter the picture.

[davis196]

1.The accusations about market manipulation must be backed with valid evidence. If you don't have a valid proof, you are just speculating about the subject.
2.I don't believe that all institutional investors are acting as if they are one team. Most institutional investors are competing against each other, which means that they can't just unite and manipulate the market. Again, such accusations need solid evidence.
3.The crypto regulations have gone a long way in the last several years. I wouldn't say that Bitcoin is still "in the grey area". BTC is as regulated as any other financial asset(I'm talking about the USA. I don't care about the crypto regulations in underdeveloped countries).
4.The "crypto whales" aren't as powerful as you think they are. Their influence over the BTC price has been declining in the last 5 years.

[peter0425]

You have made a lot of claims that are backed up by nothing. You might want to adjust your tinfoil hat and try again.

I do not get the point of these claims.

All of these are assumptions and accusations that as said are backed by nothing. Yes it is possible and the number of new institutional investors might just make this case more realistic but unless stated or there is a hard proof of them selling to dump, there is no point to make these claims. Because they will not be proven true anyway. But oh well, we will always hear these kinds of assumptions. There is always someone saying something about manipulation.

[arwin100]

You have made a lot of claims that are backed up by nothing. You might want to adjust your tinfoil hat and try again.

I do not get the point of these claims.

All of these are assumptions and accusations that as said are backed by nothing. Yes it is possible and the number of new institutional investors might just make this case more realistic but unless stated or there is a hard proof of them selling to dump, there is no point to make these claims. Because they will not be proven true anyway. But oh well, we will always hear these kinds of assumptions. There is always someone saying something about manipulation.

Its like he's giving baseless speculation.

Maybe he need to do further more research so that he can understand well on how everything works. Also better to stop reading the headlines only and maybe he got caught up on those tricky header which can manipulate his mind.

For sure there's still lots of things to learn from these situation and he can provably give more better statement backed with good proof if he just let his self became more knowledgeable about Bitcoin.

[Zaguru12]

FUD news and FOMO has  normally been the tools used by the big whales in upsetting the market. For us that have been around for some appreciable time we know about this and doesn't see any bitcoin dip as anything disturbing anymore because we all know and understand the endgame... and that's that bitcoin price will rise again after all the fuss.

But what I don't fall in with you OP, is your claims, in your last paragraph. You should have evidence to backup your claims to make them more rational.

I think we all can pass OP is judgement since he said it was what he thinks, so let’s say his thinking isn’t backed up by any logical stats or evidence as such a false claim for now.

In general just as you have rightfully said the bitcoin market has actually been looking like a something that is manipulated because news either negative or positive have actually been affecting the market, what I will say is the market is mostly affected by sentimental analysis which I think those institutions looking to accumulate more bitcoin actually take advantage of. But do Dey really manipulate the market or are aware of the manipulation? I will say No, because if they truly are aware they wouldn’t be buying at every price they do even at the top, the u predictability of the market has force even larger institutions to simply DCA

[hero_the_bossman]

You have made a lot of claims that are backed up by nothing. You might want to adjust your tinfoil hat and try again.

I do not get the point of these claims.

All of these are assumptions and accusations that as said are backed by nothing. Yes it is possible and the number of new institutional investors might just make this case more realistic but unless stated or there is a hard proof of them selling to dump, there is no point to make these claims. Because they will not be proven true anyway. But oh well, we will always hear these kinds of assumptions. There is always someone saying something about manipulation.

They go for the profit - and there is no long-term profit if they dump.

So I agree.

[BlackBoss_]

I think it’s more of the old Bitcoin investors back from 2010 that now own $100M or more in Bitcoin,than new institutional investors for the following reasons;

TLDR;

It's very easy to say so but many people who knew of Bitcoin, invested money in Bitcoin or simply bought a lottery ticket in Bitcoin many years ago, did not become millionaire or billionaire. They either lost their bitcoin by lack of careful wallet backup plans or belief in Bitcoin with price above $1,000 or $10,000 or $20,000. People who did not lost their bitcoin by lack of wallet backups, probably sold their bitcoins with very cheap price like few cents or couple of dollars.

With Bitcoin price in 2025 above $100,000, chances for the poor with limited investment capital to become millionaire or billionaire with Bitcoin investment is very small, and almost impossible.

Fortunately, if they choose Bitcoin for their investment portfolio, they will have an asset that provides them safety and very good chance of getting profit after one market cycle. If they can hold their bitcoin for more than one market cycle, ROI can be considerably better.

Yearly candles and ROIs over years show how good Bitcoin has been as an investment asset.
https://charts.bitbo.io/yearly-candles/
https://casebitcoin.com/

[Franctoshi]

FUD news and FOMO has  normally been the tools used by the big whales in upsetting the market. For us that have been around for some appreciable time we know about this and doesn't see any bitcoin dip as anything disturbing anymore because we all know and understand the endgame... and that's that bitcoin price will rise again after all the fuss.

But what I don't fall in with you OP, is your claims, in your last paragraph. You should have evidence to backup your claims to make them more rational.

I think we all can pass OP is judgement since he said it was what he thinks, so let’s say his thinking isn’t backed up by any logical stats or evidence as such a false claim for now.

In general just as you have rightfully said the bitcoin market has actually been looking like a something that is manipulated because news either negative or positive have actually been affecting the market, what I will say is the market is mostly affected by sentimental analysis which I think those institutions looking to accumulate more bitcoin actually take advantage of. But do Dey really manipulate the market or are aware of the manipulation? I will say No, because if they truly are aware they wouldn’t be buying at every price they do even at the top, the u predictability of the market has force even larger institutions to simply DCA

Even, If some can understand the concept of taking advantage of FUDs and the idea of buying Bitcoin when there are so many panicking in the market, you're doing the smartest thing, I learned a lot of lessons during 2020 Coronavirus market crash, Bitcoin dipped to $3500, oil dipped and so many other asset class thanked in their prices whereas the smartest investors were busy buying up that opportunity.

Now, amidst the Israeli and Iranian war, BlackRock just announced they bought another huge Bitcoin, while the dump money are there on panic. The bottom-line is whether there's manipulation or not do the opposite and don't follow the masses follow the institutions and play the game, be greedy when there are FUDs and be fearful when almost everyone is excited about the market.

[john_egbert]

FUD news and FOMO has  normally been the tools used by the big whales in upsetting the market. For us that have been around for some appreciable time we know about this and doesn't see any bitcoin dip as anything disturbing anymore because we all know and understand the endgame... and that's that bitcoin price will rise again after all the fuss.

But what I don't fall in with you OP, is your claims, in your last paragraph. You should have evidence to backup your claims to make them more rational.

I think we all can pass OP is judgement since he said it was what he thinks, so let’s say his thinking isn’t backed up by any logical stats or evidence as such a false claim for now.

In general just as you have rightfully said the bitcoin market has actually been looking like a something that is manipulated because news either negative or positive have actually been affecting the market, what I will say is the market is mostly affected by sentimental analysis which I think those institutions looking to accumulate more bitcoin actually take advantage of. But do Dey really manipulate the market or are aware of the manipulation? I will say No, because if they truly are aware they wouldn’t be buying at every price they do even at the top, the u predictability of the market has force even larger institutions to simply DCA

Even, If some can understand the concept of taking advantage of FUDs and the idea of buying Bitcoin when there are so many panicking in the market, you're doing the smartest thing, I learned a lot of lessons during 2020 Coronavirus market crash, Bitcoin dipped to $3500, oil dipped and so many other asset class thanked in their prices whereas the smartest investors were busy buying up that opportunity.

Now, amidst the Israeli and Iranian war, BlackRock just announced they bought another huge Bitcoin, while the dump money are there on panic. The bottom-line is whether there's manipulation or not do the opposite and don't follow the masses follow the institutions and play the game, be greedy when there are FUDs and be fearful when almost everyone is excited about the market.

Smart money => the money we need to follow

That way, we are on the winning side.

We may not get it each time, but if we do what others (bigger part) don't, we are good to go.

[yudi09]

However,i think that the Bitcoin whales have told institutional investors what they are up to,they have likely told them through the grapevine that they will dump the price to $4,xxx,so that they have institutional investors with them in order to have a stronger pump.
In all,i believe this doesn’t incriminate institutional investors at all because they know what’s going on in the market.

It's like wanting to ignore the law of supply and demand. Speculation that is based on complete data is more accurate so it is not like an unsubstantiated claim.
If the pope gave institutional investors advance information on what he was going to do, then that's great. Which logic can easily believe that.

Market price manipulation is not new or not something that just happened. If it is because of the FUD that continues to be created to make prices chaotic, then investors who have been in this world for a long time will not panic because they are used to it. Even the timing to position themselves where they already know even though the investor is not an investor with a large amount of assets.

[AVE5]

I think it’s more of the old Bitcoin investors back from 2010 that now own $100M or more in Bitcoin,than new institutional investors for the following reasons;

I don't agree with you those reasons but first check this link out let's just take a back record about some earlier back institution investors with their approach of adopting bitcoin reserve.

I don't really know the angle of your classification because there're lot of institutional investors who're breaking the bitcoin purchase records currently. So it'll also be good getting informed about these newly instituional investors investing on bitcoin probably not socially influencing the media like those old institutions. They're as follows;
1) Semler scientific bought bitcoin 871 bitcoins in and average of $88.5 million ($101,616 and $87,854) per bitcoin within January and February, pushed forward buying more and currently holding a range of 3,467 bitcoins valued $327 million. https://ir.semlerscientific.com/news-releases/news-release-details/semler-scientificr-announces-updated-btc-activity-monetizes?utm

2) As at April Twenty One Capital in partnership with other firms already purchased 42,000 bitcoins rangd a value of $4  https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/softbank-grasps-riskiest-end-crypto-mania-2025-04-24/?utm

Just can't keep going in details as we also have institutions like the Trump Media and Technology Group, GameStop, Barclays Bank and the rest newly and currently blowing the bitcoin market.

[The Cryptovator]

Better make more shorter content so we can understand what you want to express really. It's quite complicated to realise what you want to express. Why do you feel institutional investors are manipulating the market to buy cheap? As we can see, they buy on every dip, meaning they are following the DCA strategy. Institutional investors can't manipulate directly unless they sell their holdings. This isn't easy for them, as you already said it can't be decided by one person, like an old whale.

I feel whales manipulating the market instead of institutional investors. Whales don't have any obligations to anyone else. Because they are holders themselves. I feel also exchanges are involved in manipulation. For example, if BTC starts to dump on Binance, it should dump everywhere. There are many reasons why possibly exchange is involved with manipulation, like future trading. On the other hand, whales take advantage of each dump; at the same time, institutions buy more. That's the actual game I think about market manipulation.

[PrivacyG]

This is a wildly speculative subject and because nobody has proof of anything, it is always going to be 'conspirative' one way or another.  I believe there is manipulation, there is manipulation in ALL markets.  Big players will always look for ways to further enrich themselves.  But in my opinion, the manipulation we see today is little to nothing compared to what the future holds for us when banks will find themselves in the middle of the game.  When banks and governments are in, expect the wildest of the wild.

I think it’s more of the old Bitcoin investors back from 2010 that now own $100M or more in Bitcoin,than new institutional investors for the following reasons;

I believe most of the 2010 investors now hold little to nothing.  A person must be really lucky if they mined or purchased Bitcoin in 2010 and earned even half a million off of it.  Most of them sold when the price already seemed incredibly high.

Imagine you bought a shit coin today for 100 dollar and within months it turns into 10 thousand.  You would likely sell most of it.  You would likely never expect it to become a hundred thousand, let alone a million.