Bitcointalk Appreciation Thread

[_act_]

You're changing the direction of the discussion - what does negative karma have to do with having alt accounts that you should report according to the forum rules? As for your opinion about the forum, it will definitely be relevant if you ever want to come back Wink

You can read my first post and see how I did not change the direction of the discussion. I am only explaining the reason I prefer this forum and I posted this:

Altcoinstalks is one of the stupidest forum that I have ever been. The forum is still alive because of the discipline from people on this forum and nothing more. The forum was full of wrong information and dilapidated until this forum banned mixers. Their Karma system is faulty and worst than those social media likes.

I am still very inline with the discussion but I think you want to change the discussion but I took it back to the discussion direction.

[SatoPrincess]

Money is a good motivator - but do you think some of us do it just for money? The campaign in which I am currently on ATT pays even 7 times less than it paid on BTT. Real forum users have already proven themselves, and if they made some money along the way, I don't see anything wrong with that.

If it wasn’t for your post I wouldn’t have guessed that you’re on altcointalks. Usually members who have teleported their accounts there have a link on their bitcointalk profile which I don’t see on yours.

I recall members were teleporting their accounts about a year ago when BTT banned mixing services but I never got around to it. I guess I’m not missing out on a lot, am I? 

[Alone055]

I guess I’m not missing out on a lot, am I? 

Nothing more than a few bucks in BTC every week that could go towards the holdings. I don't see anything wrong in taking part in discussions, and being able to grow your BTC stash by doing so, whether it's done only in one forum or more, after all, more opportunities = more BTC being collected. Signature campaigns aren't full-time jobs, anyway.

[Churchillvv]

.. additionally I was asked to pay for my new rank as a hero here equivalent over there, I felt no need to pay for the rank so I just left it like that.

There may have been misunderstanding and you should seek clarification of same, I teleported my rank from here to there, didn't have to pay anything.

There is no misunderstanding, I already communicated to the admin over there and his response was same thing. if you have once teleported your account and you don't keep up with the forum and you rank up over here, hence if you request your account to be ranked the same level with that of this forum then you will be asked to pay a fee.
I don't know if it's new or only me maybe other will have an idea of that but feels like it's usual.

[Mrbluntzy]

I have my account on that forum (with same name) but am not active there because I don't quite understand how the activities on that forum is running, such forum where you don't have freedom to delete a post or perform some actions unless you pay for a certain rank is really not fair. Even the VIP membership status that someone mentioned on the comment doesn't stop users of this forum from performing any important action on this forum, the only thing is that newbies on this forum can not post an image unless they buy a copper account. The VIP status here is just for formality sake and when you want to donate to the forum freely. Since the forum has the rights to run their forum as they want, we can not question them. But bitcointalk is more reliable with information about Bitcoin.

[BitBakerr1]

I have not visited the the Altcoinstalks forum before however if what you said OP is all true then what the Altcoinstalks management is doing is nothing but exploitation, how on earth will someone pay to delete there own post, that those not sound right to me, and to be honest Altcoinstalks with this procedures limit's the freedom of the people that are there, why will a forum where people come to discuss many things have such restrictions, if someone must pay before they can delete there post then someone will also pay to luck there thread, well I'm happy here and the management of Bitcointalk are very enlightened and they understand that here is meant for discussion and one has to be free in other to discuss well.

[Alone055]

There is no misunderstanding, I already communicated to the admin over there and his response was same thing. if you have once teleported your account and you don't keep up with the forum and you rank up over here, hence if you request your account to be ranked the same level with that of this forum then you will be asked to pay a fee.
I don't know if it's new or only me maybe other will have an idea of that but feels like it's usual.

This is true, and I say this because I've experienced the exact same thing.

In my case, when I first got my account teleported from here to that forum, I was a full member here, so my rank was full member there too. I didn't use my account over there after that, while I was still active here so, after I got to Sr. Member rank in this forum, at that time, I was already using that forum too, so I requested the admin if it's possible for him to update my rank, so he did it. But recently, when I ranked up to Hero Member here, I requested him again through PM that he should update my rank if possible, so he said it's possible, but I will have to buy and burn $1 worth of ALTT token, and then send him the hash of the transaction and then he will update it.

$1 is not a big amount, but I'm just confirming the fact that it might not require anything to get teleported there initially, but after that, you will have to follow the rule of burning some tokens to get your rank updated.

[libert19]

... if you have once teleported your account and you don't keep up with the forum and you rank up over here, hence if you request your account to be ranked the same level with that of this forum then you will be asked to pay a fee...

You can't expect your Altcoinstalks rank to follow your Bitcointalk account rank after teleporting, can you? I honestly think this shouldn't be allowed even with payment.

...such forum where you don't have freedom to delete a post or perform some actions unless you pay for a certain rank is really not fair.

...how on earth will someone pay to delete there own post...

You can report post to mods, they will delete it.

[EarnOnVictor]

Altcoinstalks is one of the stupidest forum that I have ever been. The forum is still alive because of the discipline from people on this forum and nothing more. The forum was full of wrong information and dilapidated until this forum banned mixers. Their Karma system is faulty and worst than those social media likes.

Hahaha...what a factual and decisive point.
I wonder why people would even teleport (whatever they call it) from here to there. Loyalty matters! The lack of it was why many people quickly rushed to AltcoinTalks after the mixer's ban here. It's all about the money for them after all. This is why I question the loyalty of some people about Bitcoin too, they mostly don't practice what they preach. It's all fake love.

Do you think that I or anyone else is disloyal to this forum if I am also a member of another forum?

Everyone who did that is not loyal, and loyalty is a choice, and again, it's their right to choose. Isn't it?

But let's be clear, it's not about going to another forum, but moving there just when mixers were banned here. So, it's for a reason, and it is different from a random forum anyone participates in.

A good number of people who teleported their account to ATT did so because of the opportunity to continue promoting something that we believed in providing privacy and security when it comes to Bitcoin.

You should have used a better excuse than this, bro, it is not sincere. It's all for the money. I wonder about their ties with the mixer that warranted such loyalty to move with them when they are not their direct partner. Or is it for Bitcoin? Bitcoin doesn't need anyone to advocate mixers for it if not for their own pocket. Have you noticed that most of them have abandoned the accounts now, when the chance and the payment plan were not the same as expected? Why not stay and advertise it for free there if they are so particular about mixers and not the money?

[_act_]

If it wasn’t for your post I wouldn’t have guessed that you’re on altcointalks. Usually members who have teleported their accounts there have a link on their bitcointalk profile which I don’t see on yours.

There are some people that do the teleporting and remove the link after they registered. The other forum posted against it but they are doing nothing to people that did it.

I recall members were teleporting their accounts about a year ago when BTT banned mixing services but I never got around to it. I guess I’m not missing out on a lot, am I? 

This forum is still the best place to get information, you are not missing anything.

You should have used a better excuse than this, bro, it is not sincere.

I easy saw it like this also.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I was only active on that other forum for a brief while so I am not too familiar with how things work, but what you describe sounds like rent extraction. Charging people to delete or lock posts is just a dumb design and unnecessarily greedy.

You should have used a better excuse than this, bro, it is not sincere. It's all for the money. I wonder about their ties with the mixer that warranted such loyalty to move with them when they are not their direct partner. Or is it for Bitcoin? Bitcoin doesn't need anyone to advocate mixers for it if not for their own pocket. Have you noticed that most of them have abandoned the accounts now, when the chance and the payment plan were not the same as expected? Why not stay and advertise it for free there if they are so particular about mixers and not the money?

Of course it’s about the money. That’s why people are on Bitcointalk also. You can’t act self-righteous when you are literally being paid to advertise a casino. Nobody owes a forum their loyalty — that’s an absurd concept. It’s insane, control freak behavior to care so much about where people are expressing themselves and why they are doing it.

[EarnOnVictor]

You should have used a better excuse than this, bro, it is not sincere. It's all for the money. I wonder about their ties with the mixer that warranted such loyalty to move with them when they are not their direct partner. Or is it for Bitcoin? Bitcoin doesn't need anyone to advocate mixers for it if not for their own pocket. Have you noticed that most of them have abandoned the accounts now, when the chance and the payment plan were not the same as expected? Why not stay and advertise it for free there if they are so particular about mixers and not the money?

Of course it’s about the money. That’s why people are on Bitcointalk also. You can’t act self-righteous when you are literally being paid to advertise a casino. Nobody owes a forum their loyalty — that’s an absurd concept. It’s insane, control freak behavior to care so much about where people are expressing themselves and why they are doing it.

Why not keep silent when you do not have anything reasonable to say? It's unreasonable because 1. You didn't consider the genesis of this and my vital points, and 2. You repeated what I said. Loyalty is a choice, no one is challenging anyone. I was just saying it based on that context (loyalty).

Also, don't preach self-righteousness to me, I've said it many times on the forum that almost all of us wearing signatures are doing it for the money. So don't tell me what I know. Nevertheless, loyalty comes in when even if you have the opportunity to earn more but refuse for one reason or another, especially if where you are aligns with your values and standards. We've seen people staying glued to a campaign with lower pay when they have the opportunity and qualifications to move to a higher pay one(s), especially if they love the manager. That is loyalty, if you don't know!

So, it is not about being paid or not that you are diverting it to, and neither is loyalty about breaking any rule or being a bad bad person, it is a choice, and no one is questioning anyone for the choice they make, but still, it doesn't stop the fact that they were not loyal.

I hope this has silenced your reply that wasn't called for? It's not all replies that are necessary.

[FinneysTrueVision]

I hope this has silenced your reply that wasn't called for? It's not all replies that are necessary.

Your meaningless multi-paragraph word salad is what’s not necessary.

We've seen people staying glued to a campaign with lower pay when they have the opportunity and qualifications to move to a higher pay one(s), especially if they love the manager. That is loyalty, if you don't know!

Loyalty to another person can be understandable. Loyalty to an inanimate, web forum that functions exactly like every other forum that has ever existed is mentally abnormal. Several managers are also running campaigns on AltcoinsTalks. This concern over disloyalty is irrational monomania. People can get paid for their contributions in multiple places without it affecting BitcoinTalk in any way whatsoever.

[yhiaali3]

$1 is not a big amount, but I'm just confirming the fact that it might not require anything to get teleported there initially, but after that, you will have to follow the rule of burning some tokens to get your rank updated.

In the end the token burning rule is for the benefit of the altcoinstalks fourm community. I mean that ALTT tokens are distributed to altcoinstalks members based on their activity, and thus burning tokens is in their best interest because it will lead to a rise in the token's price.

I think the administration believes that the tokens should be used to purchase certain features and ranks on the forum, so that there is real use for the token, which would increase its value.

[JiiBs]

I wouldn’t want to use other forums to compare or match with this forum. I’ve never been in a forum with the level of free hand and free to express as this forum.

When it comes to buying of barges, I think there was a time when this was common on the forum, not ranks but barges. From history you can see that as, there are users whom up to this day are denoted as donators. I can’t say for any privilege it comes with but yeah, seems it did happen.

Also, buying of a copper membership that gives you certain features not accessed by the average newbie.

With these being said, the forum remains the top of its game and I wouldn’t want to compare. It’s a model from which other forums try to emulate, just as Bitcoin is leading the coin market.

[Alone055]

Why not keep silent when you do not have anything reasonable to say? It's unreasonable because 1. You didn't consider the genesis of this and my vital points, and 2. You repeated what I said. Loyalty is a choice, no one is challenging anyone. I was just saying it based on that context (loyalty).

Also, don't preach self-righteousness to me, I've said it many times on the forum that almost all of us wearing signatures are doing it for the money. So don't tell me what I know. Nevertheless, loyalty comes in when even if you have the opportunity to earn more but refuse for one reason or another, especially if where you are aligns with your values and standards. We've seen people staying glued to a campaign with lower pay when they have the opportunity and qualifications to move to a higher pay one(s), especially if they love the manager. That is loyalty, if you don't know!

So, it is not about being paid or not that you are diverting it to, and neither is loyalty about breaking any rule or being a bad bad person, it is a choice, and no one is questioning anyone for the choice they make, but still, it doesn't stop the fact that they were not loyal.

I hope this has silenced your reply that wasn't called for? It's not all replies that are necessary.

Even though your post is not related to or directed at me, I would like to respond.

Bro, first of all, you need to ease your nerves and try to avoid getting extreme in discussions or arguments because that isn't good for one's health.

Secondly, this is a public forum; anything posted in here is available for everyone to read, observe, and give their opinion about because they have every right to do so, and it's not necessary for two or more people to have the same opinion on everything, and we should respect each other's opinions and respond accordingly even if we don't agree with something they are trying to say.

That being said, I don't understand how you are comparing forums with signature campaigns and using that as an example, knowing the fact that a person can join two or more forums simultaneously, but one can only join one signature campaign at a time. You may call someone disloyal if they leave one signature campaign for another only for a higher pay rate, and you wouldn't be wrong about that, but I don't agree that if someone is using two forums or is active in both of them, they are being disloyal to the forum that they started using first. That doesn't make much sense to me.

Bitcointalk has always been my favorite forum, and it will always be, for obvious reasons that I've explained in a post earlier, but that shouldn't restrict or limit me from using other forums available, and if I start using another forum along with Bitcointalk, for any reason, whether it's because mixers are not banned there, or I want to make more money from signature campaigns there that are being managed by the same managers we have in here, I don't think I deserve being labelled as disloyal to Bitcointalk just for that.

So, I respect your opinion, and I don't get mad at you only for that because it's what you think, but I don't agree with it, so let's just agree to disagree and not turn this discussion into an argument for no reason.

[Z_MBFM]

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Bitcointalk is not a cheap bow. The donors here who donate 10-50 BTC must have a donor title on their profile, but there is no need for a batch for this. And the reputation or power of this forum is not expressed through a batch. If you can do something good in this forum, then your reputation will automatically increase and everyone will recognize you. For example, there are some users in this forum who are known in the entire forum, they do not need any extra matches. Altt is not a popular forum, many users have teleported their profiles there due to the promotion of Bitcoin mixers. Otherwise, Altcoinstalks would have died by now. And you are comparing the features of that forum with Bitcointalk, and you are asking for this batch system in this forum. Where the Altt forum has been created, encouraged by this forum. Seeing your proposal, it seems that the child has more knowledge than the father 

[Alone055]

And you are comparing the features of that forum with Bitcointalk

If you haven't already, as that's what it seems like, please read all my posts in this thread, especially the opening post, and you will get the answer to this.

and you are asking for this batch system in this forum.

Can you show me, by quoting the part, where I said anything about having whatever you are calling a batch system in this forum?

Seeing your proposal, it seems that the child has more knowledge than the father 

First of all, there are no proposals anywhere in this thread, and please always read and understand the opening post properly. Secondly, in a literal sense, a child can be more knowledgeable than the father, but that's totally irrelevant in this discussion.

[dragonvslinux]

To be fair I cringe thinking about the bicointalk vs altcoinstalks thread over there and this topic just reminded me of that. So it's now in the sorting box instead, out of public view, where nothing ever get's sorted.

I think someone else already said but the scandal in deleting posts/topic is resolved with users using common sense and just reporting their own post/topics for deletion, often with the intellect to modify the content to "delete" so it's easier for mods to identify, which happens all the time for reference sake. But I did laugh about users paying for this feature, which would give the impression that the patrons/royalty over there paid up because they wanted that feature. As far as I know, no-one did, they did it just to support the forum and/or wear the badge. Similar to copper member, the only regular rank that is purchased is express rank, which is similar regarding posting images and links.

So that just leaves this topic, which definitely wasn't intended to be a comparison between this forum and another -  in order to appreciate this forum somehow (did I get that part right?) - but ultimately is centered around that theme exclusively in both OP, as well as inevitably the discussion, despite best intentions it seems. Never thought I'd see the day when a user here is using that forum as an example to appreciate things here, but I guess that day is today.

[Alone055]

I think someone else already said but the scandal in deleting posts/topic is resolved with users using common sense and just reporting their own post/topics for deletion, often with the intellect to modify the content to "delete" so it's easier for mods to identify, which happens all the time for reference sake.

Imagine having to do that in this forum as well, and then you might realize why I had to use that forum as an example to appreciate very basic and simple things in here.