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June 22, 2025, 02:34:12 AM |
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Bitcoin sold-off with the start of the Iran-Israel war, but it did not provide the same supportive protection as gold. Currently, Bitcoin is in the ~$102k–$106k range, with volatility. In the last two years of 2025, there is a potential for a rise of $150k–$200k—especially due to increased ETF inflows.
In the long term, various analyses show $300k, $1M or more—depending on data and acceptance growth.
Historically, Bitcoin has not acted as a safe haven asset like gold or the dollar. For example, the price hasn't fallen much in the recent turmoil, but its relationship to gold is different.
Experts believe that Bitcoin is now being used primarily as a “high-risk, high-return” asset, with sales increasing in the event of terrorist or military incidents.
Bitcoin's high volatility (7 times that of gold) and cyclicality (halving every 4 years) determine its price fluctuations.
Market sentiment, risk appetite, economic interest, and the regulatory environment can all lead to increased risk.
Currently hovering around ≈ $102k–$103k.
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June 22, 2025, 02:57:09 AM |
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That’s just normal volatility. Bitcoin hasn’t dumped a significant percentage, so nothing to worry about.
Start worrying if you see it drop 20% in a short period, that might mean it’s being affected by something serious, like a war between major countries. Just think about what happened with Russia and Ukraine, the war was intense but Bitcoin still held up and wasn’t really affected.
Same story here, no need to panic.
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You're either raising too many points or you're just beating around the bush. What are you trying to say really?
Anyway, do you mean last two months of 2025? I think the $150,000 to $200,000 target remains, albeit a highly optimistic one. Perhaps $120,000 is more realistic, but Bitcoin has always caught us by surprise.
Bitcoin has not acted as a safe haven like the dollar? We're probably looking at different charts. Mine says Bitcoin has been keeping people's worth safe against a consistently degrading dollar.
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June 22, 2025, 03:50:31 AM |
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Bitcoin has not acted as a safe haven like the dollar? We're probably looking at different charts. Mine says Bitcoin has been keeping people's worth safe against a consistently degrading dollar.
Yep, one key don't panic and execute your strategy well. Control your emotions to get the best consequences. Geopolitics is influential, but I see today investors prefer save heaven assets including Bitcoin. Not under the control of the state, the secret and control is done by ourselves. The current condition is a normal problem. Fundamental issues always decorate where BTC goes. We have been experiencing that for more than 15 years. I think global adoption and government institutions are the new forces that make Bitcoin stronger. So I think Bitcoin will always have a value that can always go back to the highest price.
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That’s just normal volatility. Bitcoin hasn’t dumped a significant percentage, so nothing to worry about.
Start worrying if you see it drop 20% in a short period, that might mean it’s being affected by something serious, like a war between major countries. Just think about what happened with Russia and Ukraine, the war was intense but Bitcoin still held up and wasn’t really affected.
Same story here, no need to panic.
Even if bitcoin goes down to $80k, I wouldn’t worry. In fact, I’d even take that opportunity to buy more bitcoin. I’m afraid it will take a whole lot of things for me to get worried about bitcoin. If maybe it dropped down to $50k then there could be some questions but honestly? I think I’d still buy.
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June 22, 2025, 04:17:27 AM |
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That’s just normal volatility. Bitcoin hasn’t dumped a significant percentage, so nothing to worry about.
Start worrying if you see it drop 20% in a short period, that might mean it’s being affected by something serious, like a war between major countries. Just think about what happened with Russia and Ukraine, the war was intense but Bitcoin still held up and wasn’t really affected.
Same story here, no need to panic.
Even if bitcoin goes down to $80k, I wouldn’t worry. In fact, I’d even take that opportunity to buy more bitcoin. I’m afraid it will take a whole lot of things for me to get worried about bitcoin. If maybe it dropped down to $50k then there could be some questions but honestly? I think I’d still buy. Most likely if this happens on the bear market, it's just about normal. The thing is that there are many who thinks that the ware might affect the price in this bull run, which I don't think will be the case. On the other hand, if we look at the Ukrainian vs Russia war, it was in the middle of the bear market, so obviously it has a impact. In any case, this war might proved how Bitcoin is, safe haven for events like this and so the OP shouldn't worry about it. Although he might be new to the market, but for us who have been in the market for so long, we won't see this as a threat to the price unless it escalated into a full blow ww3 which I don't think is going to happen.
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June 22, 2025, 04:18:54 AM |
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Anyway, do you mean last two months of 2025? I think the $150,000 to $200,000 target remains, albeit a highly optimistic one. Perhaps $120,000 is more realistic, but Bitcoin has always caught us by surprise.
Things have changed quite a bit, bitcoin is becoming more and more dependent and driven by the macro situation. In my opinion, bitcoin price will be determined by economic and geopolitical situation. Bitcoin has not acted as a safe haven like the dollar? We're probably looking at different charts. Mine says Bitcoin has been keeping people's worth safe against a consistently degrading dollar.
The fact that bitcoin price is increasing against USD only shows that it is a good store of value, not a safe haven. Note that these two concepts have many similarities but they are different. A safe haven may be a store of value, but a store of value is not necessarily a safe haven. An asset will be considered a safe haven when it is highly stable, less likely to be dumped during times of crisis, recession...and so far, only gold is the only asset that can do that.
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The fact that bitcoin price is increasing against USD only shows that it is a good store of value, not a safe haven.
Note that these two concepts have many similarities but they are different. A safe haven may be a store of value, but a store of value is not necessarily a safe haven. An asset will be considered a safe haven when it is highly stable, less likely to be dumped during times of crisis, recession...and so far, only gold is the only asset that can do that.
Golds fundamentals impact are largely about it's deep rooted history universal acceptance and perceived dependency on the traditional systems driving it's volatility. Even though we know very well that bitcoin may still play out as a good store of value, we might have to still experience it's behaviour to global crisis and how it would react... It's still evolving and may yet be fully understood making it's current behaviour to current happenings more unpredictable from a safee haven...The fact that bitcoins price has generally trended upwards against the USD over the long term certainly supports its case as a good store of value indicating it has preserved and grown purchasing power. As regards the op, I don't think theres much to worry about for now. Bitcoin is yet to experience a big pull back. The HTF are still very bullish and the current moves like others have said is most likely because of the geo political crisis currently happening. But it's may just serve as a correction. A lot of money was liquidated from the crypto market as at yesterday, so we may be experiencing more of the sell...
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The fact that during the Russia - Ukraine war, Bitcoin is not greatly affected simply means that the idea of Iran-Israel war affecting Bitcoin is just made up stories. The market movement recently is just a normal fluctuation of Bitcoin price. We can see how it happens all through out the Bitcoin price history, so there is no need to panic.
Even if Bitcoin dumps 20% lower, this is just the opportunity to buy Bitcoin at a discount. A window for us to repurchase and if not started yet, to enter the Bitcoin market in a lower price range.
Don't worry about this price volatility, Bitcoin is expected to go even lower when the market becomes bearish. In short, what we are witnessing now is just a normal price movement of Bitcoin market and not because of this war between Iran and Israel and also not because of the US striking the nuclear base of Iran.
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That’s just normal volatility. Bitcoin hasn’t dumped a significant percentage, so nothing to worry about.
Start worrying if you see it drop 20% in a short period, that might mean it’s being affected by something serious, like a war between major countries. Just think about what happened with Russia and Ukraine, the war was intense but Bitcoin still held up and wasn’t really affected.
Same story here, no need to panic.
Even if bitcoin goes down to $80k, I wouldn’t worry. In fact, I’d even take that opportunity to buy more bitcoin. I’m afraid it will take a whole lot of things for me to get worried about bitcoin. If maybe it dropped down to $50k then there could be some questions but honestly? I think I’d still buy. I’ve seen you here for years already, and I know you understand how the market works. Volatility is always part of it, and every time Bitcoin dumps hard, it always gives us a chance to accumulate. It’s proven time and time again that it recovers and in some cases, that even led to a bull market that broke the current ATH. That’s the pattern we’ve been seeing for years. I don’t think that will change anytime soon.
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In the last two years of 2025, there is a potential for a rise of $150k–$200k—especially due to increased ETF inflows.
In the long term, various analyses show $300k, $1M or more—depending on data and acceptance growth.
Experts believe that Bitcoin is now being used primarily as a “high-risk, high-return” asset, with sales increasing in th
When you say in the last two years of 2025,I guess you meant the last 2 months of 2025 and moreso there I've been a tremendous raise which is thus normal and due to the iran-israel war the price may be altered which is a more reason one tends not to panic over the issue but keep calm. I know it'll pose some threats to holders but I bet there would be positive returns later on.
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Bitcoin's current and future plans and how the Iran-Israel war will affect Bitco
Iran and Israel The enemy of the buyts of the two countries if the war will have a big impact on other countries, it has happened in the past, this time the war is not the same as Israel attacks Yemen, Lebanon and others, Iran is much stronger than Israel, Iran has enough nuclear bombs to level Israel and make all Bitcoin investors run by selling their assets. Iran Vs. War Israel has a big impact on Israel's economic destruction, my speculation if Israel relies on bitcoin to buy missiles from other countries, Of course large-scale sales will occur and the price of Bitcoin will plummet if this war continues. Other speculations that will have an impact on Bitcoin and the crypto market, if: If the US joins the Israeli-Iran war, Bitcoin can drop 10-20% because investors switch to risk-off mode and exit volatile assets.
As I saw in one source, meaning that the Iranian war with Israel is different from the war that has occurred so far in the Middle East.
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That's the closest we've come just now to breaking 100k support. Not sure what to make of it, it's a Sunday and just a tiny bounceback but on the back of those bombs dropping, I don't think we'll make it out on Monday without seeing sub 100k. And that's if there isn't any response. Hoping Iran just swallow the bile and let the world's view take its course. Otherwise things could get pretty gnarly for the short term. The fact that during the Russia - Ukraine war, Bitcoin is not greatly affected simply means that the idea of Iran-Israel war affecting Bitcoin is just made up stories.
It's not quite the same thing. This has a potential escalation that goes beyond a concentrated proxy war on borders. There's so much in between at stake.
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That's the closest we've come just now to breaking 100k support. Not sure what to make of it, it's a Sunday and just a tiny bounceback but on the back of those bombs dropping, I don't think we'll make it out on Monday without seeing sub 100k. And that's if there isn't any response. Hoping Iran just swallow the bile and let the world's view take its course. Otherwise things could get pretty gnarly for the short term.
Definitely agree that will be breaking the 100k support soon, bearish continuation is definitely high at the moment because the bang of war has completely changed the sentiment of the market, over the past week when the US had gotten fully involved in the market, bitcoin was able to hold and consolidate because the sentiment wasn’t fully change then but now base on technical analysis I expect the market to actually fill the fair value gap around $99k to $97k because it is a key area, and if the war continues then we will be going lower again to around $93k except demand comes in. It's not quite the same thing. This has a potential escalation that goes beyond a concentrated proxy war on borders. There's so much in between at stake.
This isn’t a boarder war but much bigger one. It would have been easy to stop if the US has stepped in, now Iran has actually block the water way which is path for oil supply
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I don't think that the war has anything to do with bitcoin price dip, because this is not the first war that's ongoing but still bitcoin price created a new ATH. I don't get worried anymore about the price movement of bitcoin because it increases overtime. Rather, I look for an opportunity to buy more when I can for the future. Only short-term traders are the ones in panic and weak hands will be shaken off.
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That's the closest we've come just now to breaking 100k support. Not sure what to make of it, it's a Sunday and just a tiny bounceback but on the back of those bombs dropping, I don't think we'll make it out on Monday without seeing sub 100k. And that's if there isn't any response. Hoping Iran just swallow the bile and let the world's view take its course. Otherwise things could get pretty gnarly for the short term.
Definitely agree that will be breaking the 100k support soon, ~ I expect the market to actually fill the fair value gap around $99k to $97k because it is a key area, and if the war continues then we will be going lower again to around $93k except demand comes in. So it came to pass. We're actually back above that support now. Even the USD seems to be on a fresh attempt to shake off weakness against euro but I'm still wary to wait for a response from Iran and/or allies. I hope they'll swallow their pride and focus on a rebuild but I don't think nothing happens -- even if the regime is magnanimous to focus inward, they don't exactly have an iron first over their external supporters who might mess about at least with trade routes. Nothing off the table for now.
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So it came to pass. We're actually back above that support now. Even the USD seems to be on a fresh attempt to shake off weakness against euro but I'm still wary to wait for a response from Iran and/or allies. I hope they'll swallow their pride and focus on a rebuild but I don't think nothing happens -- even if the regime is magnanimous to focus inward, they don't exactly have an iron first over their external supporters who might mess about at least with trade routes.
Nothing off the table for now.
Yes I was actually impressed with the way bitcoin bounced off after breaking the support at $100k and filling the fair value gap at $99k, I literally expected this because the $100k was such a strong support that the market wouldn’t break it easily and it not regain again. But currently without the clear direction of where the war is ending I think the scare or panic is still there and if we break yet again below $100k and test the support at $97k again we might be going lower to $93k or so. But right now the buyers are looking not to sell off. I saw some data from coinglass where traders have actually open buy options which still shows many traders confidence of the market not falling behind. If there can be any positive news now then we might be heading for a new ATH
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Golds fundamentals impact are largely about it's deep rooted history universal acceptance and perceived dependency on the traditional systems driving it's volatility. Even though we know very well that bitcoin may still play out as a good store of value, we might have to still experience it's behaviour to global crisis and how it would react...
Gold is also a good store of value and a safe haven at the same time but BTC can only increase more and can act better as a currency too. Both gold and BTC can react to global crises but again, gold should still be more stable or can dump lesser than in BTC. BTC is not new, so I don't know on what is that thing people need to understand about it. But there are just people that can't seem to understand well. Oh well, that is their problem already. Others can worry maybe because they use money they can't afford to lose and then they lack in knowledge. For some that aren't like that, worries can still arise if they focus on the market too much and the possible factors that can affect it.
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June 23, 2025, 05:30:48 PM |
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I don't think that the war has anything to do with bitcoin price dip, because this is not the first war that's ongoing but still bitcoin price created a new ATH. I don't get worried anymore about the price movement of bitcoin because it increases overtime. Rather, I look for an opportunity to buy more when I can for the future. Only short-term traders are the ones in panic and weak hands will be shaken off.
This is not the first war as you have said but if you date back to the seasons that Bitcoin surges to new all time high, was there any war then? In 2021 when price was bullish there was no war, even last year December and January of this year, there was no symptom of war between countries, therefore Bitcoin actually broke to new all time high, you can recall that during the Trump tariff implementation few months ago, the price of Bitcoin dipped to $74k, before it finally came to $111k last month and here comes the conflict of this month and I feel convinced that the war is actually contributing to Bitcoin price. Although Bitcoin is known to always bounce back to a higher price no matter how dip the price go down.
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