Why don't we have an unofficial telegram channel?

[LTU_btc]

Seems that majority here is against your idea. It's not that I'm against it, but can you tell some reasons why Bitcointalk would need Telegram channel? I don't really see point for online forum to have accounts on social media accounts.
Yes, there is Twitter of Bitcointalk, but it's needed for important announcements like downtime.
There is Bitcointalk Discord and I don't see much point of it. Can't remember when I visited it last time. Do we have at least some activity there or it's dead?

[NotFuzzyWarm]

The is absolutely no need for a Bitcointalk telegram channel. Main drawbacks are:
 1. Way too much spam & scam posters on telegram
 2. It would dilute the content here with a side channel that many here do NOT subscribe to.

I for one find telegram, instagram, rediit, X et al to all be a vast intellectual wasteland and do not use any of them.

[taufik123]

Most refuse to telegram for security reasons and more spam will come in and can be dangerous for anyone.
But I also won't give an argument whether telegram is really needed or not, but if possible telegram will be needed for some crucial events such as Bitcointalk which cannot be accessed and of course there will be a notification through the telegram channel about what is happening, because a few months ago there were several very annoying downtime times so that Bitcointalk really cannot be accessed.

Talking about telegram, SFI ( Sub Forum Indonesia ) has its own telegram group that may not be very active but all of us from Indonesia gather there, a group created by Indonesian Staff @sapta Aka BitRentX.

https://t.me/bitcointalk_id

[KingsDen]

The is absolutely no need for a Bitcointalk telegram channel. Main drawbacks are:
 1. Way too much spam & scam posters on telegram

I agree to this, especially that of scam.

2. It would dilute the content here with a side channel that many here do NOT subscribe to.

I do not agree to this. Bitcointalk is not a new forum to experience this. As long as signature campaigns are still allowed in BTT, the quality of the content in this forum will not reduce.

[The Cryptovator]

I can remember there was a discussion about the Bitcointalk Telegram, and most of the people, including admins, aren't interested in creating either an official or unofficial Telegram channel or groups. Even I am not interested in creating any Telegram channels. Because I don't find any purpose in creating Bitcointalk telegram channels. Moderators are already tired of preventing forum spam. Then to manage Telegram channels, there should be another team. Did you find any legit purpose to create Telegram channels? All the forum updates are posted through the forum, and we can see at the top of the forum when something important is here.

[nutildah]

Probably the best reason not to have a Telegram is there would be hundreds of these kind of messages sent every day:



As others have pointed out already, we already have Discord, and not a whole lot of people are actually using it, so its probably unnecessary to also be on Telegram.

It was fun talking with forum members in a chat setting during the Merit Poker, and I would probably enjoy normal conversations with some of y'all, but that's OK, I'm probably here enough already.

[Mpamaegbu]

Telegram has a reputation of being a haven for scammers and since scam is not moderated on bitcointalk you can imagine how it’s going to be when we have an official bitcointalk channel on telegram. Scammers would jump on the opportunity to scam newbies of whatever crypto they have in their wallets.

Apt! Very salient point you've there. You took the word out of my mouth. No further argument.

[AVE5]

It would make a lot of sense since most of us are on there.

Relevant threads on the forum:

bitcointalk on telegram
Bitcointalk Telegram Group
Official bitcointalk telegram channel

First and last link requests for telegram group that's connected with the forum without reasonability and they're all newbie accounts which obviously their opinions was out inexperience with the collectible communication services the bitcointalk platform could offer to it community users.
We either don't expect newbies with their inexperiences on the forum to just come and get the entire community devasted even with our experiences and their recommendations.
If asked for what reason, it'll still boils to communication system while we've it better here.

Even the SuperNotifier telegram is just to track posts activities and not a direct communication community
The second link seems to be of ulterior motive trying to get bitcointalk users attention through the external telegram and create his own communication community.
I don't see any of that contributing to the wellbeing of the bitcointalk forum.

[SuperBitMan]

The forum members and moderators are still struggling and finding it hard to totally eradicate spam also scam activities in the forum, and if we create a telegram group or channel don't you think spam and scam activities will grow to a very high level and it will become impossible to control it, it is very important for us to know that the main reason for this forum creation is for Bitcoin discussion and before other board was now created where other discussion are now done so basically this forum is for discussion purpose and as long as that purpose is being achieved I don't think it is of importance for telegram group or channel to be created.
And again when a telegram group or channel is created I think there will be no more privacy, and we all know that one good thing about this forum is the privacy, and this privacy gives people the privilege to discuss and contribute without fear, so I really don't support us having a telegram group or channel.

[Doan9269]

The forum members and moderators are still struggling and finding it hard to totally eradicate spam also scam activities in the forum, and if we create a telegram group or channel don't you think spam and scam activities will grow to a very high level and it will become impossible to control it

You're right, there will be high demand in moderating the additional platform together and this is going to be a serious task for the admin and other staff navigating from between the two, bitcoin forum is like no other, i know we once had a twitter account i think then, but everything went down for one or two reasons, if cant be a decentralized network to now work or operates under a centralized one, maybe this kind of mentality has been what has been keeping bitcointalk ahead of others, because we are well moderated here. 

[Onyeeze]

Having official telegram channel of bitcointalk is a bad idea, because it will have the following effects
● It will increase a scam rate, because nobody will moderate it properly as is being moderated in bitcointalk
● It will reduce the engagement traffic of the forum
● If traffic of forum is being reduced, many people will lack interest on forum communications
● Discussion will a direct discussion or a personal discussion

[Rashlyowl]

Majority are on the other side of this idea. While this could be a great place to just say hi & chat with other members, not for hard discussions. There is indeed no point in creating an unofficial Bitcointalk community on Telegram, but to answer some of the doubts in this thread, I will try to answer them.

(1) The community will be filled with scammers.

Problem with scammers can be solved, because the group owner can make settings for anyone who wants to join, the user must make a request first, he will enter the group if the owner or admin approves him to join. To ensure the owner or admin approves the correct user, we can make sign message containing Telegram username as a rule for joining the group. With all that, we can create a clean Telegram group filled with known users.

(2) It will reduce the engagement traffic of the forum.

Someone said that Bitcointalk has an unofficial community on Discord, does the presence of the unofficial community cause engagement on the forum to decrease? someone please answer this question.

Bros @NotATether, if you want to make one, invite me, I have good knowledge to make Telegram community.

Talking about telegram, SFI ( Sub Forum Indonesia ) has its own telegram group that may not be very active but all of us from Indonesia gather there, a group created by Indonesian Staff @sapta Aka BitRentX.

https://t.me/bitcointalk_id

New information for me, will join later, thanks bros!

[LTU_btc]

Having official telegram channel of bitcointalk is a bad idea, because it will have the following effects
● It will increase a scam rate, because nobody will moderate it properly as is being moderated in bitcointalk
● It will reduce the engagement traffic of the forum
● If traffic of forum is being reduced, many people will lack interest on forum communications
● Discussion will a direct discussion or a personal discussion

You're not right on multiple aspects. Scams isn't moderated on Bitcointalk. Mods isn't involved in these things, it's left for community. Though, it's true that scam risk on Telegram would be much bigger. Very likely that there would be lot of attempts to impersonate famous Bitcointalk members.
About traffic, if I'm not mistaken Bitcointalk traffic is already falling eventually, I doubt that Telegram would make difference. Likely that Telegram channel would be dead same like Discord server.

[xLays]

If this happens, those who are using alt accounts and get caught will probably use it as an alibi saying they're connected because they know each other behind the scenes, not just here on bitcointalk blah blah blah..

Although it's a great communication app, I think this could be another tool that scammers might abuse. It’s much better if we just use our inboxes here on bitcointalk, since there have been many cases of users being impersonated through fake telegram accounts. And I'm sure it will be use for their personal agenda...

[NotATether]

Well, I guess the answer is a pretty unanimous "no", so I'm locking this topic. Thanks for your input everyone.