Residency to avoid world war?

[btc-freedom-money]

I see many videos on youtube where they tell you to get residency visa in countries that are unlikely to be involved in a world war 3.

Is it really enough to have a residency visa? I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to. Either they already have such a law or they can create one when it's time. The country you would have a residency visa at would have to deport you. I think the only way to avoid such a situation is by getting citizenship in a country that is unlikely to join a war, so residency is not enough.

And it might not even be enough with dual citizenship. Because the origin country could change the law and forbid dual citizenship and then the country you got a dual citizenship at would have to remove your citizenship and deport you. So you would have to renounce your citizenship with the country you think is likely to join a war.

[passwordnow]

I see many videos on youtube where they tell you to get residency visa in countries that are unlikely to be involved in a world war 3.

Is it really enough to have a residency visa? I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to. Either they already have such a law or they can create one when it's time. The country you would have a residency visa at would have to deport you. I think the only way to avoid such a situation is by getting citizenship in a country that is unlikely to join a war, so residency is not enough.

And it might not even be enough with dual citizenship. Because the origin country could change the law and forbid dual citizenship and then the country you got a dual citizenship at would have to remove your citizenship and deport you. So you would have to renounce your citizenship with the country you think is likely to join a war.

Getting a resident visa to a new country where you plan to live on isn't that easy. If you have no money, you'll have to go through with years of working and living there. While there are golden ticket visas that are a shortcut process to your resident visa and passport and that's through investing or buying it to those countries. Many countries offer this and I think many are choosing those countries in the Carribbean part because it's easy to get a passport there and you can live there if you have money. Most likely it's ranging from $100k and more than $250k.

[Macro Exchange]

I see many videos on youtube where they tell you to get residency visa in countries that are unlikely to be involved in a world war 3.

Is it really enough to have a residency visa? I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to. Either they already have such a law or they can create one when it's time. The country you would have a residency visa at would have to deport you. I think the only way to avoid such a situation is by getting citizenship in a country that is unlikely to join a war, so residency is not enough.

And it might not even be enough with dual citizenship. Because the origin country could change the law and forbid dual citizenship and then the country you got a dual citizenship at would have to remove your citizenship and deport you. So you would have to renounce your citizenship with the country you think is likely to join a war.

just having residency probably isn’t enough. Your home country can still legally call you back if things get serious — and if they really want to, they could pressure the country you're living in to send you back. Even dual citizenship isn’t a sure thing, since laws can change fast in wartime.

Honestly, the only way to be kinda safe is to fully give up your original citizenship and become a citizen somewhere neutral.
But even then, nothing’s 100% guaranteed.

I mean... maybe the real answer is just moving to New Zealand. They dodged COVID — they’ll probably dodge WW3 too 😅

[franky1]

I see many videos on youtube where they tell you to get residency visa in countries that are unlikely to be involved in a world war 3.

Is it really enough to have a residency visa? I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to. Either they already have such a law or they can create one when it's time. The country you would have a residency visa at would have to deport you. I think the only way to avoid such a situation is by getting citizenship in a country that is unlikely to join a war, so residency is not enough.

And it might not even be enough with dual citizenship. Because the origin country could change the law and forbid dual citizenship and then the country you got a dual citizenship at would have to remove your citizenship and deport you. So you would have to renounce your citizenship with the country you think is likely to join a war.

Getting a resident visa to a new country where you plan to live on isn't that easy. If you have no money, you'll have to go through with years of working and living there.

a resident visa is not the same as citizenship.. citizenship is the thing that is not easy and takes going through many years of working and living there..
.. heres the hole in your thought.. to live there for years to earn citizenship. you first need the resident visa and apply each period to extend it to "work and live there"

again for emphasis, if you have the permit(visa) to live somewhere, you have the resident visa. but not yet the citizenship
its a big difference between a resident permit(visa) compared to being declared a permanent resident/citizen

While there are golden ticket visas that are a shortcut process to your resident visa and passport and that's through investing or buying it to those countries. Many countries offer this and I think many are choosing those countries in the Carribbean part because it's easy to get a passport there and you can live there if you have money. Most likely it's ranging from $100k and more than $250k.

having a resident visa does not earn you a passport.
a resident visa comes with conditions. such as only valid if working. or only valid if in education.. meaning if you lose your job or drop out of education, your resident visa stops

a golden ticket visa is more permanent as it gives you more security of being allowed to stay than a resident visa does, but doesnt give you all the extra's that a citizenship does.
now with that clarified..
a residency visa does not absolve you from your native countries conditions of return, EG army draft
however if the host country you have a permit to live in has a non extradition treaty. you are less likely to be dragged back to your native country. but ill emphasise less.. because its not a sure thing. some countries might have other treaties in place that separate criminal justice extradition vs national draft(conscription) extraditions, where by there may be treaties that make you have to draft with the host country instead

[caroasi]

just having residency probably isn’t enough. Your home country can still legally call you back if things get serious — and if they really want to, they could pressure the country you're living in to send you back. Even dual citizenship isn’t a sure thing, since laws can change fast in wartime.

Honestly, the only way to be kinda safe is to fully give up your original citizenship and become a citizen somewhere neutral.
But even then, nothing’s 100% guaranteed.

I mean... maybe the real answer is just moving to New Zealand. They dodged COVID — they’ll probably dodge WW3 too 😅

I don't know of any case of one country sending a person to another country for a draft. Moving to a neighboring country to dodge the draft has been common in many countries. If it does happen, it is extremely rare.

The existence of the military draft highlights how basic human rights are totally disregarded by modern governments. They believe in slavery, theft, and extortion, as a way of life. Today's governments are evil.

Finland is assigned a perfect freedom score of 100 by several websites. Yet Finland overtly enslaves their subjects with a military draft as surfs, as slaves. They are disgusting people and embarrassments to humanity to suggest that Finland is either the most free country, or a free country. You cannot both own someone as a slave and suggest they are a free person living in a free place. Slavery is forcing someone to work for you against their will. The military draft is forcing someone to work for you against their will... cannot a six year old understand the obvious?

[betterthanSNnBTC]

Just move to Canada man it is the most diverse country, there will never be a war here because the people that live here are from everywhere, plus we burnt down the white house down 2x in 1812.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7jlFZhprU4 So we can take on the strongest nations if we wanted to, they buying our tech like phones, internet and avro arrow planes, invisibility tech etc etc. + Satoshi is from Canada. Also the closest nation to us, we have control of their power grid.

This is a better song by these guys, really hits home with me being a farmer and having my government make replace 100,000 peach trees with no compensation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuGGNsE3_8Y

Lyrics
I used to be a farmer, and I made a living fine
I had a little stretch of land along the CP line
But times went by and though I tried, the money wasn't there
And the bankers came and took my land and told me, "Fair is fair"
I looked for every kind of job, the answer always "no"
"Hire you now?" they'd always laugh, "We just let 20 go"
The government, they promised me a measly little sum
But I've got too much pride to end up just another bum

[Roseline492]

First of all nobody is praying for world war 3 and if there are things everybody is afraid of is the war because if all this crisis will result to all this kind of destruction we can imagine how serious it could be if world war happens. However having a residency in another country with the believe of the war not going to reach there might be a very wrong mindset because anything world war changes everything and nobody knows the countries it will affect and it could even be that the country the person is running to in escaping the war could be the place that will face the impact.

[coin-investor]

I see many videos on youtube where they tell you to get residency visa in countries that are unlikely to be involved in a world war 3.

Wealthy individuals are already doing this; in fact, they acquire properties and assets abroad in case something adverse happens in their country. You have that option if you are rich, but if you're poor or middle-income, your chances are to go to remote areas in your country and live there.

Is it really enough to have a residency visa? I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to. Either they already have such a law or they can create one when it's time. The country you would have a residency visa at would have to deport you. I think the only way to avoid such a situation is by getting citizenship in a country that is unlikely to join a war, so residency is not enough.

Suppose you're living in a totalitarian system. In that case, that's possible, but not in a democratic country, in times of war the only time they will want you back is if you can be an asset in times of war, you don't expect your government to force you to go home if you're aging or you do not know to fight, in times of war they utilize personnel capable of depending a country.
A good government allows you to live in another country, so in times of rebuilding, you can help by sending funds or any resources that can aid in rebuilding a nation.

[o48o]

I see many videos on youtube where they tell you to get residency visa in countries that are unlikely to be involved in a world war 3.

Is it really enough to have a residency visa? I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to. Either they already have such a law or they can create one when it's time. The country you would have a residency visa at would have to deport you. I think the only way to avoid such a situation is by getting citizenship in a country that is unlikely to join a war, so residency is not enough.

And it might not even be enough with dual citizenship. Because the origin country could change the law and forbid dual citizenship and then the country you got a dual citizenship at would have to remove your citizenship and deport you. So you would have to renounce your citizenship with the country you think is likely to join a war.

Imho you should stop and actively change your youtube algorithms, because if it's pushing you that content, it's probably not going to end. You will get fear mongering even in time of peace, because content on that is endless.

For starters, if there's going to be world war 3, there's probably no places that wouldn't be more or less affected by it. If you don't live in area that's already directly affected by recent wars, you probably get even more fear mongering on how it's going to spread, because those media channels get their money from your fear. Preppers are their target audience and fear and survivalism is what they sell.

[Vod]

I see many videos on youtube where they tell you to get residency visa in countries that are unlikely to be involved in a world war 3.

Is it really enough to have a residency visa? I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to. Either they already have such a law or they can create one when it's time. The country you would have a residency visa at would have to deport you. I think the only way to avoid such a situation is by getting citizenship in a country that is unlikely to join a war, so residency is not enough.

You are worrying about the wrong thing my friend.  If WW3 breaks out and nukes start flying, you won't see any immigration raids going on.  Any parts of a government that does survive will not be interested or able to deport you.   A full scale exchange (1,000+ bombs) will lower global temperatures by 15 degrees for a decade.  Ironically, that is the exact amount to bring us to 0, which means no more liquid water and no more agriculture.    It won't matter what country you move to, you are going to starve all the same.  Anyone without a closed loop water and air system and lots of spare parts for their equipment will not last a decade.   Even a regional war like India vs Pakistan (100-200 bombs) will kill all growth for a couple years, leading to the death of billions.

Even in a country less likely to be bombed (i.e Canada) a terrorist can still detonate a nuke, so you are not really safe anywhere.   If a bomb goes off and you want to survive, have as much dense matter between you and the explosion (harder in an air burst), then you have 10 mins to seal yourself wherever you can and not go outside for 72 hours.   Then the danger becomes other people.  :/

So I guess the real question is - do you want to survive?  If I knew a nuke was incoming, I'd go outside in direct line of sight - being instantly vaporized is much better than the alternative.

Research:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0085404
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090163

[montaga]

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I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to
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Only if you agree to. A company (every country is a company) has no right over sovereign citizens.

True Birthright
https://youtu.be/3J7qFk8GclI

[EluguHcman]

I see many videos on youtube where they tell you to get residency visa in countries that are unlikely to be involved in a world war 3.

What are you talking about? WW3 never had happened and even when it have to maybe sometimes in the future, the USA will fully be involved.

Perhaps having USA for instance, they were heavily involved in the past WW and still, residency visa is required for a non-immigrant with temporary purpose of staying in the country.
It is just a legal permit for foreigners to have access to service and limited facilities at their period of short term staying.

Is it really enough to have a residency visa? I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to.

Ars you referring to civilian or military citizens who went abroad on a temporary purposes? It might be legal practice for the military but doubt if it is practicable with just a common civilian who can not even defend themselves.
Infact, fighting for a country is not the duty of the entire citizens but governments and the militaries.

So your country forcing you to come back home from a sovereignty country like the US where you have a legal residential permit can be termed a violation of the international law.

I think the only way to avoid such a situation is by getting citizenship in a country that is unlikely to join a war, so residency is not enough.

And it might not even be enough with dual citizenship. Because the origin country could change the law and forbid dual citizenship and then the country you got a dual citizenship at would have to remove your citizenship and deport you. So you would have to renounce your citizenship with the country you think is likely to join a war.

If you are referring deportation of the country where you resides with temporary or indefinite residential visa, during time of crisis that may prompt that action, of course foreigners are liable to fall back home while governments interests is focused on protecting their citizen's either by indigenous, immigrant visa or green cards to obtain permanent residency.

So constitutionally, you have been ordained dual citizenship.

[passwordnow]

Getting a resident visa to a new country where you plan to live on isn't that easy. If you have no money, you'll have to go through with years of working and living there.

a resident visa is not the same as citizenship.. citizenship is the thing that is not easy and takes going through many years of working and living there..
.. heres the hole in your thought.. to live there for years to earn citizenship. you first need the resident visa and apply each period to extend it to "work and live there"

again for emphasis, if you have the permit(visa) to live somewhere, you have the resident visa. but not yet the citizenship
its a big difference between a resident permit(visa) compared to being declared a permanent resident/citizen

I understand now the difference of it but it's a real matter for one to get a resident visa, he/she surely needs to spend a lot. For the entire process of stay and for the eligibility as well as the requirements and fees.

While there are golden ticket visas that are a shortcut process to your resident visa and passport and that's through investing or buying it to those countries. Many countries offer this and I think many are choosing those countries in the Carribbean part because it's easy to get a passport there and you can live there if you have money. Most likely it's ranging from $100k and more than $250k.

having a resident visa does not earn you a passport.
a resident visa comes with conditions. such as only valid if working. or only valid if in education.. meaning if you lose your job or drop out of education, your resident visa stops

a golden ticket visa is more permanent as it gives you more security of being allowed to stay than a resident visa does, but doesnt give you all the extra's that a citizenship does.
now with that clarified..
a residency visa does not absolve you from your native countries conditions of return, EG army draft
however if the host country you have a permit to live in has a non extradition treaty. you are less likely to be dragged back to your native country. but ill emphasise less.. because its not a sure thing. some countries might have other treaties in place that separate criminal justice extradition vs national draft(conscription) extraditions, where by there may be treaties that make you have to draft with the host country instead

Thanks for clarity. For this to be understood by others too, resident visa is lesser privilege than having a passport. But it's a requirement for someone to own that passport of that host country and as well as the citizenship. I get it now. Resident visa allows for someone to work/visit on that country but not having the full benefits of being a citizen.

[uneng]

I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to. Either they already have such a law or they can create one when it's time. The country you would have a residency visa at would have to deport you.

Hardly ever it's going to happen for real, because it would imply expenses for the country where you are living to deport you in order to benefit solely your original country. You see mass deportation happening when it's of the interest of the nation where you are living, like it happens in USA.

USA only deport immigrants because they consider it to be benefical for themselves. They don't do this to help the countries those people came from. Another evidence of that are tyranical regimes such as the ones from North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela which may demand foreigner countries to send fugitives back to their original territories, although the refugees count with the protection and permission of foreigner countries to continue living there safely.

The same could be applied on a war scenario involving different nations around the globe.

[IjawMan]

War can be scary. The thought of it and with the imagination of the level of nukes and other mass destructive weapons now at different countries disposal. Can we all have any place safe to hide from the effect of a ww3 of today?
Contrast to the ww2, the world will never be same again should it happen that there's a ww3. Many parts of the the world would be desolated and worse beyond what we tell about  Hiroshima's.

[aioc]

I see many videos on youtube where they tell you to get residency visa in countries that are unlikely to be involved in a world war 3.

Is it really enough to have a residency visa? I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to.

I am not aware that it’s possible to bring you back if you are already out of your country in times of war, only if you are a fugitive seeking sanctuary. Still, it’s a matter of war, you are free to flee, you can also seek asylum, and you cannot be force to participate in a war if you are out of the country.
People flee during times of war, and those who remain are typically those capable of fighting wars. It’s inhumane to ask old people or people who are not capable or cannot participate in the war because of their beliefs.

[coolcoinz]

If you have the money, buy a boat. You can use it to easily move out of a conflict zone and land objects will always be the first target. Also, if you move out of a conflict zone, most countries will give you a refugee status and with a boat you're mostly self- sufficient. You don't need to be housed and fed.

Let's say you for some reason want to stay on land. I'd choose Southern Europe. Italy, Croatia, Greece. A potential war in Europe will happen between Russia/Belarus and countries that support Ukraine like Finland, Poland, Romania... Even if the West gets involved and it escalates, Russia and its supporters don't have the arms nor supply chains to hit deep into Europe and are not interested in anything they don't have a border with.

That said, I doubt there will be a large war in Europe, unless the EU escalates it. Russia is barely defending against Ukrainian strikes and it has no way to move troops West, unless they completely wipe out Ukraine. They'd have to reduce Ukraine to a state of current Palestine and bomb the shit out of Baltic States to be able to move towards Poland. It's not going to be a Blitzkrieg, since these countries are now well fortified and expecting an attack. In case of a Russian attack North to create a path to Kaliningrad, the rest of the EU would have months if not years to come up with a response.

[covfefe_]

El Salvador would be a good option. Possibly among neutral countries. No high value targets near, not likely to be affected by nukes in panama, Cuba or Mexico. A good place to stay for foreigners as it already has hospitality based infrastructure.

Bolivia could be another neutral low interest nation.

If you want to remain in Europe, Iceland also doesn't have high value target near it. So it would probably not be affected by war or nuclear fallout.

In Asia, Kyrgyzstan would be a mostly ignored nation.

[Hispo]

It would be enough to move to a rather irrelevant third world country which could offer some comfort like internet connection, access to running water and even some entertainment. Countries like Bolivia comes to my mind, they are very unlikely to get involved in a worldwide conflict against superpowers. Another option is to move to south Asia, where there are so many of those countries which are not relevant.
The best part of a country which is rather irrelevant to a war of such magnitude and yet,l have access to internet and basic services is the fact you would be able to access to your cryptocurrencies and swap it for current Fiat, though I assume something as serious as a war that big would make economy to fall quickly in most of the nations on the planet.

[KingsDen]

I see many videos on youtube where they tell you to get residency visa in countries that are unlikely to be involved in a world war 3.

I think my country Nigeria is among those that ware unlikely to join the WW3. We are battling inflation and bad leadership. I think these are enough for us.

Is it really enough to have a residency visa? I think the country you are a citizen in can still force you to come back to join the war if they want to. Either they already have such a law or they can create one when it's time. The country you would have a residency visa at would have to deport you.

Do they force an uninterested person to war? If you do this, your country is already defeated before the war. The government will rather pay the army X10 of their present salary and this will motivate people to join the army.

I think the only way to avoid such a situation is by getting citizenship in a country that is unlikely to join a war, so residency is not enough.

Nigeria is the country.

And it might not even be enough with dual citizenship. Because the origin country could change the law and forbid dual citizenship and then the country you got a dual citizenship at would have to remove your citizenship and deport you. So you would have to renounce your citizenship with the country you think is likely to join a war.

Isn't this a breach of the fundamental human rights?