8 months ago Microsoft voted against putting bitcoin on their balance sheet.

[Maslate]

All I am saying is these big players knows best, like I believe that Trump intentionally told China's president to fud the market too with those tariff percentage, they played game and it looked real.

So you’re saying they did that just to gain from Bitcoin? I don’t really buy it. There’s way bigger money and markets involved than just Bitcoin. These countries are rivals now, whatever moves they make in this economic war, that’s their game. But if you look closely, even negative news or actual wars barely shake the market anymore.

Remember when those two countries went to war? Bitcoin only dipped to around $90k and bounced right back to $100k, eventually hitting a new ATH.
So if anything, it’s showing how resilient the market’s become.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

No, they're not stupid, they're rich to the point that it's hard for an ordinary person to even imagine - but you somehow come across as stupid because you think that Bitcoin is something that everyone should invest in. Apart from that, do you really think that Bitcoin should become something like digital gold, which in the next ten years will mostly be in the possession of those big companies - which, by the way, will keep them in custodial services because they are not capable of such a thing themselves?

If someone hacks such a custodial service, what implications do you think it will have on Bitcoin?

It is not recommendable to store bitcoins by any custodials and the advice is opposite, being your self custodian and being your own bank.

The future when bitcoin is mostly owned and stored by custodians that are centralized is not good with risk of hacks against those big custodians for example Coinbase that is chosen by many Bitcoin Spot ETFs so far as their custodian, is very terrible like a nightmare for Bitcoin market.

I don't wish anyone to lose their bitcoins but if they lost their coins, they are contributing more gifts to Bitcoin community.

As Bitcoin users, be your self custodians is the advice that is applicable now and in future.

Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more.  Think of it as a donation to everyone.

[headingnorth]

It seems I have triggered a lot of snowflakes with this thread. To be clear Microsoft is still a great company,
but that doesn't mean they are incapable of making bad decisions. It is pretty stupid and naive to think
just because a company is very large and successful means they are incapable of making bad decisions.
Just because a company is great today doesn't guarantee it will be great tomorrow.

The list of highly respected (or once highly respected) companies that have destroyed themselves over the years
because of bad decisions is endless. Far too many to list. Boeing, Tesla, Enron, Lehman Brothers, Chrysler,
Washington Mutual, Kodak to name a few.

If you think big successful companies can't make bad decisions then why are you even investing in bitcoin?
Why not just put all your money into Boeing, Microsoft, Tesla, etc. if they are perfect and can do no wrong?
Or maybe some really aren't into bitcoin and are just here to troll the forum?

It amazes me the amount of worship of these big companies on a bitcoin forum. Some will still praise the likes of Tesla,
Boeing, Microsoft, no matter what they do good or bad. It is very sad sheep-like or cult-like behavior.

Btw, the value of the dollar has dropped by more than 10% since Microsoft's vote against bitcoin last December
while bitcoin has increased by more than 10%, almost 20%. So that is a massive 20% to 40% decline (combined losses) in
the value of Microsoft holdings versus bitcoin in only 8 months. Too bad, so sad for them.

[X-ray]

All I am saying is these big players knows best, like I believe that Trump intentionally told China's president to fud the market too with those tariff percentage, they played game and it looked real.

So you’re saying they did that just to gain from Bitcoin? I don’t really buy it. There’s way bigger money and markets involved than just Bitcoin. These countries are rivals now, whatever moves they make in this economic war, that’s their game. But if you look closely, even negative news or actual wars barely shake the market anymore.

Remember when those two countries went to war? Bitcoin only dipped to around $90k and bounced right back to $100k, eventually hitting a new ATH.
So if anything, it’s showing how resilient the market’s become.

Saying tariff was just a fud made to dump BTC is nothing but just a wild guess. The tariff deals involves market worth trillions dollar and this thing isn't being thrown around just because somebody want to profit off it.

I think the intention that trump want to impose tariff to reduce trade deficit is real.

[MinoRaiola]

So why would any sane person want to hold that shit? I swear the MS Board of Directors
and shareholders are dumb as dirt. Meanwhile their worthless bonds are losing value faster
than a melting ice cube.

I dont think they are stupid, many of them have Microsoft shares and they are currently worth more than ever before. I believe that if Microsoft bought bitcoin in the past, the price of a share would be more than 10% higher now. It was a stupid decision, people should know that now and vote different in another meeting of the shareholders. I dont think it was even 3% who wanted bitcoin last time... unbelievable.

[Swordsoffreedom]

Clearly you fell for it, because I knew that the decision is a planned game to slow down the market, they have the desire but intentionally they fud bitcoin, it was a big mind game they played and it worked.

Am I the only one seeing the war issue that was solved as another big game too? If such doesn't happen how will Bitcoin lose value? How will panic effect goes into the market? The lies have to look real.

All I am saying is these big players knows best, like I believe that Trump intentionally told China's president to fud the market too with those tariff percentage, they played game and it looked real.

Do you know how much damage war, tariff war has done to the stock market and the economy? According to some reports, when the tariff war between China and the United States became most intense, the US stock market lost more than $10 trillion. Meanwhile, China's economy has suffered hundreds of billions of dollars in losses, with many businesses going bankrupt and widespread unemployment slowing the economy.

How much profit do you think Trump and the Chinese president will make from bitcoin to make up for the trillions of dollars lost?

In their eyes, Bitcoin is nothing, and if they really want to make money, they have countless ways to do it. As heads of state of major powers, they are not brain dead enough to cause bad things like wars and trade wars just because of bitcoin.

[Z-tight]

To be clear Microsoft is still a great company,
but that doesn't mean they are incapable of making bad decisions.

The question here is not if they are incapable of making a bad decision or not, but rather that you explicitly said they made a bad decision by not investing in BTC. When they voted against adding BTC to their balance sheet, they were very well aware that its price can rise this high, which is why they particularly mentioned volatility as a reason why they wouldn't make the acquisition.

Their concerns remain valid, BTC is volatile, you and i choose to be exposed to it, Microsoft and Warren Buffett choose otherwise, that does not mean they are bad decision makers, when they obviously make much money from other investments they consider better and much more 'predictable.'

[nemesis_incarnate]

To be clear Microsoft is still a great company,
but that doesn't mean they are incapable of making bad decisions.

The question here is not if they are incapable of making a bad decision or not, but rather that you explicitly said they made a bad decision by not investing in BTC. When they voted against adding BTC to their balance sheet, they were very well aware that its price can rise this high, which is why they particularly mentioned volatility as a reason why they wouldn't make the acquisition.

Their concerns remain valid, BTC is volatile, you and i choose to be exposed to it, Microsoft and Warren Buffett choose otherwise, that does not mean they are bad decision makers, when they obviously make much money from other investments they consider better and much more 'predictable.'

Yep.

When bigger entities have choices, and they are more tested than BTC - sometimes, they want no risk to it (even though, if done right - it's minimal).

[m2017]

So why would any sane person want to hold that shit? I swear the MS Board of Directors
and shareholders are dumb as dirt. Meanwhile their worthless bonds are losing value faster
than a melting ice cube.

I wouldn't call them fools, but rather "investors in the matrix". What they all do (buying bonds) is a familiar and conservative way of investing, which until now "worked well". But times are changing.

For you, bitcoin is a "lifeline" to escape poverty, and for the rich - a risky and unclear asset, which, by the way, is practically not regulated at all, and therefore doesn't provide any guarantees of investment safety. If something goes wrong, who will compensate the rich for their losses? Nakamoto? And in the case of bonds, there is probably "protection from the state in terms of refunds" (although this is also a controversial point).

You are ready to put your $100-1000 on the line, and the rich will not risk $10 million. This is a different level of responsibility, so their motives will remain unclear to you.

[Smack That Ace]

Btw, the value of the dollar has dropped by more than 10% since Microsoft's vote against bitcoin last December
while bitcoin has increased by more than 10%, almost 20%. So that is a massive 20% to 40% decline (combined losses) in
the value of Microsoft holdings versus bitcoin in only 8 months. Too bad, so sad for them.

Microsoft's stock price in December 2024 is around $427 with a market cap of $3,1 trillion, and their current stock price is $525 with a market cap of $3,7 trillion. That means they are up about 18% over the past 8 months, which is quite an impressive increase that is not inferior to bitcoin.

None of us worship them or any centralized organization and whether to invest in bitcoin or not is their decision. This has nothing to do with us, we should respect each other's decisions. We should not insult or curse them just because they do not invest in bitcoin, that is a disrespectful and selfish act that a bitcoin investor should not have.

[avikz]

It's great that day did not invest in bitcoin. We do not want more corporate or government to come into this market and buy a huge stash of Bitcoins. Bitcoin needs to stay in the hands of common people like you and I. Really we don't need corporates to get into bitcoin.

In a couple of years, these corporates will become so powerful that they hold the power to manipulate the market at their own will. We do not want that. Glad that Microsoft voter against buying bitcoin. I hope it stays that way forever.

[pawanjain]

If Microsoft didn't want to invest in bitcoin, it's their choice. It's not as if bitcoin needs Microsoft to buy the coins to surge in price.
It's doing pretty well without it and I believe it will keep growing stronger.
Few instituional investors have already realized that and bought bitcoin while they are still cheap.
Bitcoin sure has the potential to cross $1 million and in the next few years, it will cross this level too.

[moneystery]

So why would any sane person want to hold that shit? I swear the MS Board of Directors
and shareholders are dumb as dirt. Meanwhile their worthless bonds are losing value faster
than a melting ice cube.

many large global companies still view bitcoin as a speculative and high-risk asset, so they don't consider investing their money in it... perhaps for now, but they might decide to invest in it in the future. so it's not a matter of stupidity for them not to invest in bitcoin; it's simply a matter of internal considerations, and each company has its own risk management system. if a company is investing in bitcoin, that's great news, but if there are still those who haven't decided to invest in bitcoin, that's their right. so, let's not be too quick to judge them.

[fikrett]

If Microsoft didn't want to invest in bitcoin, it's their choice. It's not as if bitcoin needs Microsoft to buy the coins to surge in price.
It's doing pretty well without it and I believe it will keep growing stronger.
Few instituional investors have already realized that and bought bitcoin while they are still cheap.
Bitcoin sure has the potential to cross $1 million and in the next few years, it will cross this level too.

Eventually, everybody would see BTC for what it is - as for now, many, especially high up there, may still be sceptical, but it all changes, like a stone being cut by water.

[Merit.s]

MS is already wealthy through their investment and they did not invest in bitcoin to achieve this. I believe that they feel they don't need bitcoin to keep the value of the company or increase the company's wealth. Bitcoin is for all but it's not everyone that will love to invest into bitcoin because they don't value it and see it as something irrelevant to them. We have more than 100000 companies in the world, but how many have invested into bitcoin not up to 1%. Therefore, I wouldn't blame MS for not following the footstep of MicroStrategy. My uncle is rich and feels he doesn't need bitcoin investment.

It's companies that are making little or no profits from their business that will be eager to invest into bitcoin for future profits.

[Smartvirus]

Not a very smart move. Larry Fink does not approve.

MS had tens of billions in cash to invest. Would it have killed them to allocate
just a tiny bit, maybe $10 million or so to bitcoin?

While there might be room for some sort of feasibility study, you would agree $10m is still a lot of money and would be significant in the event of a loss. Not that it would have been a wrong decision with how we know Bitcoin but, it’s important that they invest on their own terms as per how well they are vested in the Bitcoin innovation. You ought to be more convinced, self aware and find the innovation to seat with your company values before investing.

That’s what I think they did and it’s still okay except for the fact that, they missed a better time to have taken it up and build a better portfolio.

[finaleshot2016]

Not a very smart move. Larry Fink does not approve.

MS had tens of billions in cash to invest. Would it have killed them to allocate
just a tiny bit, maybe $10 million or so to bitcoin?

At this point, I believe they just did not want to be associated with bitcoin or crypto and all the ideologies that comes with it. Because with how big their company is, I am sure that they can afford to take a little bit of risks and not to mention that bitcoin has proven itself to be profitable despite being volatile. So that could only be the explanation.

I have noticed this too that the top companies in the world don't really want to associate with Bitcoin. They want to be separated to it and act that they are solid with or without riding the global trend of bitcoin. I do understand their thinking to not be affiliated to BTC, they would hold too many responsibilities in the future especially if they played it wrong. They're playing it safely, they're supporting it lowkey by integrating it or making it accessible to their platform but not really investing to it. I'm for sure they're missing out a lot in this one but since they want to prove their stand then it's fine, we have different mindset and it's not always riding the trend, it's how you make a difference.

[headingnorth]

It's great that day did not invest in bitcoin. We do not want more corporate or government to come into this market and buy a huge stash of Bitcoins. Bitcoin needs to stay in the hands of common people like you and I. Really we don't need corporates to get into bitcoin.

In a couple of years, these corporates will become so powerful that they hold the power to manipulate the market at their own will. We do not want that. Glad that Microsoft voter against buying bitcoin. I hope it stays that way forever.

Well it's probably too late to hope for that. Hundreds of companies and institutions
have already invested in bitcoin. The current bitcoin cycle and record high prices
we are seeing is largely driven by institutional adoption, while retail is mostly absent.

Why? Probably because the "smart money" understands the value proposition of bitcoin.
While the dumb money doesn't and is busy screwing around with things like memecoins,
lottery tickets, online (and physical) casinos, sports betting, etc.

I believe it helps to have more companies and institutions holding bitcoin than fewer,
to prevent too much concentration in the hands of the few.

[criptoevangelista]

At times like this, regret must be knocking on Microsoft's door, especially with this wave of layoffs in the Xbox division and the cancellation of several highly anticipated games. And with Bitcoin at $120,000... how much money did the company miss out on? A lot, for sure. Now we just have to wait and see what the shareholders will have to say about it.

[CryptoBuds]

At times like this, regret must be knocking on Microsoft's door, especially with this wave of layoffs in the Xbox division and the cancellation of several highly anticipated games. And with Bitcoin at $120,000... how much money did the company miss out on? A lot, for sure. Now we just have to wait and see what the shareholders will have to say about it.

However, according to financial reports, Microsoft has achieved revenue of more than $ 192 billion in the first three quarters of the year, with a net profit of $74 billion. If compare Microstrategy's bitcoin investment over the past four years and its unrealized profit of $30 billion, Microsoft's profit is double that of Microstrategy.

Therefore, I don't think they will regret their decision or change their mind in the near future. Their business is clearly very successful, they should focus on that instead of getting involved in areas they are unsure about.