Body positivity / Fat acceptance

[Samlucky O]

Fat people are simply not care with themselves and they want to make other people's life harder, even though they can also make other people's life easier (they eat a lot and need few tools to improve their life, so people who sell those things are making money).

I don't even think that all fat people are food consumers or simply the amount of food they eat is the real cause of there situation. Most of them have natural fat in them and no matter how less they eat they still find themselves getting fats except they do some walkout or go to the gym to burn some calorie, otherwise they will still get fat.

I can understand why some men are fat, because men's value are on the money, not the body.

That's actually true, men Worth are measured on humility and self respect coupled together with money and not their body. A man that that is fat could just be natural as well as the woman in some cases but majority of fat men is as a result of being a foody type.

While women, one of their value are on their body, so if the women are fat, it means there's something wrong with them.

It may not necessarily be that something is wrong with them but just a natural phenomenon. But of course some have problem. Sometimes women when not married they will keep to fit to get a man attracted but after getting married they no longer think of  talking care of their body because they thinks it's no longer important afterall they are married. Some develop this body after given birth.. So the case is that woman are liable to get fat easier than men because they have so much  hormonal changes than men.

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It may not necessarily be that something is wrong with them but just a natural phenomenon. But of course some have problem. Sometimes women when not married they will keep to fit to get a man attracted but after getting married they no longer think of  talking care of their body because they thinks it's no longer important afterall they are married. Some develop this body after given birth.. So the case is that woman are liable to get fat easier than men because they have so much  hormonal changes than men.

I don't think so.

Women are very obsessed with real life things.

They want to be pretty as possible and life the best as possible, if they didn't get it, they will blame men. They would complain if what they demands are "realistic" instead of desire, example like in this situation, they know life is getting harder when they have a baby, if someone ask to this woman "why you're not pretty anymore?", she will answer "my husband failed to be a man, he's not able to fulfill my needs".

What you illustrate above is mostly for men, men loves are no longer same when they already married.

[sunsilk]

Body shaming has become one of the hardest bullying that's hard to accept. I think being in a group and forum that has the same condition but want to change their lives, it's about the motivation and not only the acceptance that they're learning.

But if they're already good with their body mass and they are altogether to accept of their body and weight. I'm not sure if the bullying will be gone.

To each their own but they cannot stop people from judging them if they stop and end only for accepting of what they are. There is nothing wrong of accepting who they are right now but don't let people put you down and do something for the biggest change of their lives.

Being healthy is also wealth and this also prolongs our lifespan. And to those bullies, they should also change themselves, learn what these people are going through not just to throw some bullying.

[Hispo]

Body shaming has become one of the hardest bullying that's hard to accept. I think being in a group and forum that has the same condition but want to change their lives, it's about the motivation and not only the acceptance that they're learning.

But if they're already good with their body mass and they are altogether to accept of their body and weight. I'm not sure if the bullying will be gone.

To each their own but they cannot stop people from judging them if they stop and end only for accepting of what they are. There is nothing wrong of accepting who they are right now but don't let people put you down and do something for the biggest change of their lives.

Being healthy is also wealth and this also prolongs our lifespan. And to those bullies, they should also change themselves, learn what these people are going through not just to throw some bullying.

If we see body shaming from the perspective of bullying, I think it is a phenomenon which is likely to be here to stay, specially in western culture where we have very defined standards of what beauty is, besides we also have the constant information flow of social media like instagram, people showing always how pretty they are and always showing off the best part of themselves, when in reality, what it is shown on those social media are not a reflect of reality.
Actually, I recall there was a scandal a couple of years ago about Meta/Instagram ignoring the harmful effects their applications had on teens, and how it negatively affected their self-steem. So, in a world which has such high standards of beauty and perfection it becomes very easy to shame those who are very far away from those standards.

But it is very different being fat than having a specific body type.

[sunsilk]

Body shaming has become one of the hardest bullying that's hard to accept. I think being in a group and forum that has the same condition but want to change their lives, it's about the motivation and not only the acceptance that they're learning.

But if they're already good with their body mass and they are altogether to accept of their body and weight. I'm not sure if the bullying will be gone.

To each their own but they cannot stop people from judging them if they stop and end only for accepting of what they are. There is nothing wrong of accepting who they are right now but don't let people put you down and do something for the biggest change of their lives.

Being healthy is also wealth and this also prolongs our lifespan. And to those bullies, they should also change themselves, learn what these people are going through not just to throw some bullying.

If we see body shaming from the perspective of bullying, I think it is a phenomenon which is likely to be here to stay, specially in western culture where we have very defined standards of what beauty is, besides we also have the constant information flow of social media like instagram, people showing always how pretty they are and always showing off the best part of themselves, when in reality, what it is shown on those social media are not a reflect of reality.

That is true. What the sentiments of the people of social media don't reflect to reality. But it's a good outlet that when people who are into this situation are getting some support, this also boosts their morale.

So, that serves as a motivation that they should do better and they need to do it not to please these bullies but to do it for their ownsake.

Actually, I recall there was a scandal a couple of years ago about Meta/Instagram ignoring the harmful effects their applications had on teens, and how it negatively affected their self-steem. So, in a world which has such high standards of beauty and perfection it becomes very easy to shame those who are very far away from those standards.

But it is very different being fat than having a specific body type.

These social media are also giving people the standards of what beauty is and what sexy is to them. This is the modern situation that we have to embrace.

And those who are conscious with their bodies and situation either have to accept or ignore it. I think that there are even cultures and places where even you're not considered that fat but they'd still call you that. They're too curious and it seems in a bullying way but a norm to their society.

[SuperBitMan]

I don't like fat, I have a big or fat stomach and it makes me uncomfortable and I try as much as possible to make sure I reduce the size of my stomach, I'm not doing it for anybody or to look good I'm doing it because is unhealthy if the fat in my stomach continues growing bigger it will surely result to something else which can lead to death, my body is not fat is just my stomach that is big, a lot of fat people didn't make there self fat majority of this fat people get if from hereditary not because they eat too much, I have a friend he eats even more than me his not fat and his stomach is so flat, I usually tell him his blessed.

I don't like when people are body shamed or bullied because they are fat, I stand and also follow a movement that is against body shaming and bullying fat people but I won't stand and support a movement that tells people being fat is okay because is misleading, let's be honest to ourselves being fat is not okay it makes you uncomfortable and is unhealthy, research shows that fat people are likely to die quick.
Me that has big stomach I know how tired I feel something's and the cause of my stomach however fasting and exercise is helping me to burn down the fat in my stomach, I wish world health can create a medicine that can help burn fat when you take it, surgery is too costly over here in my country.

[Hispo]

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Me that has big stomach I know how tired I feel something's and the cause of my stomach however fasting and exercise is helping me to burn down the fat in my stomach, I wish world health can create a medicine that can help burn fat when you take it, surgery is too costly over here in my country.

Actually, there are some medicines/drugs available in the markets which are intended to help people to lose weight, they seemly work by messing with the urges of patients to consume food, disabling the feeling of emptiness in ones stomach, allowing to fast very effectively.
I don't know what country are you from, but depending on it, you could try to get that sort of medicines to help you out to burn fat faster and reach your ideal weight in a few months.
Interestingly enough, Even Elon Musk had needed to take those pills because he is overweight (or was, I am not sure if he continues to be).

[Marykeller]

Never has being fat been a crime in society. If someone doesn't like the way they are, they burn some calories to appear better. As we do know, not everyone must be slim. Some people are naturally fat, they can't kill themselves for that. The area they will be looking at is how to stay fit by exercising, as we saw in the pics uploaded.

[caroasi]

Words do matter, and attitude does matter. I think fat tolerance would be much better term than acceptance. Having an unhealthy diet is actually unacceptable to most people, and should be.  So I support the fat tolerance movement, but not the fat acceptance movement. Being morbidly obese is unacceptable, something I reject for myself, and to a degree also my family, and those I care about.

And of course something much worse than being fat is being a bully. Bullying is more about the relationship involved than the content. Making fun of people you don't know is definitely cruel, while making fun of people who clearly know you care about them is not necessarily a problem at all, especially if it results in them changing to a healthy diet.

So body positivity is good, and fat tolerance is good, but fat acceptance is bad.

[Ishicryptic]

There is no 'body positivity', 'fat acceptance ' or anything of the sort in my community and I have not heard of any in my country, I however think that it is a good initiative depending on the purpose and goals of their creation. I support such initiatives if the their aims are to give voice to the obesse in our societies, to address stigmatization of fat people and to make people in those sizes not to feel inferior and ashamed. But if the creation of such groups are to flaunt themselves like ' I'm fat and proud ' to make people feel like it is a good thing to be obsess, then I won't support their movements, some ignorant people might think that it is fashionable to be obsess. People should learn how to eat healthy diets more and exercise because there are lots of sicknesses that are associated with being very fat. People should never shame and bully fat people because most of them are not happy with their physical appearances.

[DaRude]

Never has being fat been a crime in society. If someone doesn't like the way they are, they burn some calories to appear better. As we do know, not everyone must be slim. Some people are naturally fat, they can't kill themselves for that. The area they will be looking at is how to stay fit by exercising, as we saw in the pics uploaded.

Basal Metabolic Rate (The minimum energy required to maintain basic physiological functions.)   20-25 calories per kg of body weight. So that's how much people in vegetative state/coma would require to stay alive and maintain healthy weight. Everything above that depends on your activity level. Genetic deceases can lower your activity level and hormone disbalances/mental state might make you crave food more, but ultimately it still comes down to: Energy in > Energy out.

Do you believe that percentage of obese people with some genetic issues to be fat is so prevalent that it's worth a discussion, or would it be bellow rounding error in overall statistics?

I think you struck at the core of the problem, it seems to be a societal issue where any encouragement of healthy weight is somehow perceived as condemnation of crime for fat people. There are excessive smokers, and excessive alcohol consumption, and I'm sure some have some genetic predisposition to smoking/drinking. I'm not aware of major movements calling for smoking or drinking positivity, and everyone seems to be fine with government encouraging these categories to make healthier life choices without them viewing themselves as being victims/condemned criminals, why should it be different for excessive calorie intake?

[Apocollapse]

There is no 'body positivity', 'fat acceptance ' or anything of the sort in my community and I have not heard of any in my country, I however think that it is a good initiative depending on the purpose and goals of their creation. I support such initiatives if the their aims are to give voice to the obesse in our societies, to address stigmatization of fat people and to make people in those sizes not to feel inferior and ashamed. But if the creation of such groups are to flaunt themselves like ' I'm fat and proud ' to make people feel like it is a good thing to be obsess, then I won't support their movements, some ignorant people might think that it is fashionable to be obsess. People should learn how to eat healthy diets more and exercise because there are lots of sicknesses that are associated with being very fat.

Is there any movement to change to be better? AFAIK the goal of any movement is to make other people accept or tolerate them.

LGBT movement, they're not encourage themselves to change to be heterosexual.
HIV movement, they're suggesting people to wear condom and take PrEP before having sex instead of not having sex at all.

Fat movement is the same, they're asking people to accept fat people who stay fat.

People should never shame and bully fat people because most of them are not happy with their physical appearances.

If they're not happy, then change. Fat is possible to change, it's not a fate.

Better to have short movement, height can't be change and people are bullying short men.

[coolcoinz]

Are women always give birth in their whole life?

It takes 9 months to give a birth and 3 months for recovery, after that, they can diet and go to gym, it takes maybe 6-12 months to make them back like when they were single.

You would argue "she had no time because she need to raise the child bla bla", that's why babysitter and housemaid exist, it's pricey? that's why before marriage/have a child, both need to discuss how to have enough money to afford it. Not everyone are lucky? yes, that's why marriage isn't for everyone.

Also, some people get fat because of certain condition like diabetes, so don't put all of them in one basket.

Diabetes patient can go to gym, no excuse.

You obviously haven't known too many women who had children. So you think it's normal for women to recover within 3 months... What about those who had C-section? Do you expect them to work out 3 months after that and lose weight? What about women who breastfeed? You expect them to go on a diet?

Are you saying that people who can't afford a babysitter should not have children? That's pretty harsh.

As for diabetes, you're also proving that you've never dealt with it.
Diabetes often leads to water retention. You're not going to burn it like you burn fat.

[robelneo]

Good morning to everyone here on the politics &  society section of the forum.
I wondered how many of you have heard or read about both body positivity and fat acceptance movements on the internet and outside of it.

We are in a new age where we fight for our right to have a space in this society, if they want to justify being fat and they are comfortable with their body, and there’s no harm to society, then let these movements be.

There are numerous movements in our diverse society, one of which is the LGBTQ community. Therefore, having a Fat acceptance movement is not something new, and similar movements will likely emerge. They want empowerment, and they want acceptance from a judgmental society

[Apocollapse]

You obviously haven't known too many women who had children. So you think it's normal for women to recover within 3 months... What about those who had C-section? Do you expect them to work out 3 months after that and lose weight?

Look, I'm already kind enough for giving 3 months (12 weeks) because normally it takes six or eight weeks.

It takes six to eight weeks to recover fully from a C-section.

What about women who breastfeed? You expect them to go on a diet?

I read, it's possible https://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/resources/losing-weight-while-breastfeeding

Are you saying that people who can't afford a babysitter should not have children? That's pretty harsh.

Unfortunately, yes.

I've heard so many women are complaining if they're not happy with their marriage, they always say their husband life is easier, he only work, help to do domestic work and can do whatever he want. But they have to do domestic work, raise the child, tease their husband etc etc.

As for diabetes, you're also proving that you've never dealt with it.
Diabetes often leads to water retention. You're not going to burn it like you burn fat.

If their body are swollen and make them hurt to move, they can pay attention with their calorie in take. Exercise will make them burn their fat faster, but what you eat give significant effect than exercise. Again, no excuse.

This may be why the 80/20 rule has become popular, as it states that weight loss is the result of 80% diet and 20% exercise.

[Hispo]

Good morning to everyone here on the politics &  society section of the forum.
I wondered how many of you have heard or read about both body positivity and fat acceptance movements on the internet and outside of it.

We are in a new age where we fight for our right to have a space in this society, if they want to justify being fat and they are comfortable with their body, and there’s no harm to society, then let these movements be.

There are numerous movements in our diverse society, one of which is the LGBTQ community. Therefore, having a Fat acceptance movement is not something new, and similar movements will likely emerge. They want empowerment, and they want acceptance from a judgmental society

On one hand, I get a free society with free individuals is fundamental to keeping society as happy as possible. I have had this discussion before with people from the United States and they have told me that in their country everyone has the "right/freedom to be Fat and Stupid". Some people may argue that if you are allowed to be fat and stupid then your society is going through good times in which survival is easy.
On the other hand, being fat and LGBTQ are very different things. Being fat is something which can be changed and unlike one's personal sexuality, it does not exist in detriment of our own health and well being. In that sense, being fat could be often compared to being a smoker, you choose to be fat but you cannot complain on the health issues which may come in the future.

[uneng]

People who create or join such movement don't even accept their own fatness, otherwise they wouldn't waste their precious time imposing to society it's beautiful or good somehow to be fat. If they were proud of their fatness, such movements wouldn't even exist at first place.

It's more like forcing people in general to admire, praise and cheer them for being fat... It's bullshit after all. One of the most basic learnships in life is to never expect adulation and acceptance from anyone. If you are really yourself, while not caring for what others will think about you, such movements become irrelevant.

[BADecker]

People who create or join such movement don't even accept their own fatness, otherwise they wouldn't waste their precious time imposing to society it's beautiful or good somehow to be fat. If they were proud of their fatness, such movements wouldn't even exist at first place.

It's more like forcing people in general to admire, praise and cheer them for being fat... It's bullshit after all. One of the most basic learnships in life is to never expect adulation and acceptance from anyone. If you are really yourself, while not caring for what others will think about you, such movements become irrelevant.

I don't see how such a movement can last the flatulence. Do they hand out these?

 

[Lida93]

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I can understand why some men are fat, because men's value are on the money, not the body.

While women, one of their value are on their body, so if the women are fat, it means there's something wrong with them.

Men want to be rich because they know men without money is nothing.
Women know beautifulness is important, but they don't want to chase it? it's the same like men who're not chasing money.

It is unfair to address the issue of fat in this manner against the women in favour of the men. Both women and men in this current dispensation are drawn towards money making, in almost every family their is a combined in taking up the bills. There's no acceptable justification that men should be fat and women shouldn't.

Men's body is also attractive if it's well built and structured, am sure a lot of women wouldn't get attracted to men with some big belly fat as well. Maybe both man and woman should endeavour to keep their body smart and train it against fat development

[BitBakerr1]

What is wrong is body shaming someone because the person is fat, but encouraging excess fat is also wrong, having too much fat is not good in our body that is the truth about it and even if you meet a doctor and ask him or her about having too much fat in your body the doctor will tell you the high risk in it, now from the little I know is that too much fat in your body can cause you a heart disease, diabetes, joint damage, liver damage, Can affect fertility, mood, and energy levels and Fat around the neck and throat can block airways causing you poor sleep.
So with this few things I have listed can you still say too much fat is good in a body I'm sure your answer will be no, so any organization or movement that is supporting people that are fat to remain the way they are is not doing them good rather causing more harm than good, I watched a video where a very fat man decided to lose his weight and he started the journey and he succeed by losing a lot of fat and his doctor said his life spam has add more 5 years, is wrong for us to bully fat people but is good if you encourage them to burn some fat as it will help them live more healthy and longer.