Children in Gaza are dying of starvations - faemine and starvation rampart

[franky1]

I honestly frown deeply at the inhumane treatment the people of Gaza are facing. It's painful to see innocent children dying of hunger while the world watches. Israel under the claim of security, is doing everything possible to block food and aid from getting in.

isreali's are the ones sending the food in!!
they have sent enough food in to last 2m people until mid 2026. yea sure its not luxury belgium chocolate or avocado toast. but its more than needed so not a "starvation" tactic

the main problem is not food shortage/blocked from getting in
the main problem is:
1. the VARIETY of food is not open ended to give choice and abundance of variety for a balanced nutritious diet
(its war time/so expect rations, not avocado toast and almond milk)
but more importantly
2. once in the border hamas take over the supply and distribution in many area's thus they cause chaos
(hamas troops get to eat the good stuff, fresh fruit, and even the milk to go with their coffee/tea)

hamas are in full control of the hospitals so could easy oversupply hospitals with canned vegetables that are mashed up into a paste for special diet requirement infants, but they dont, they hold back supplies even for those that have a medical need and then try to demand more of the good stuff from isreal

its also worth noting other aid services for instance unicef(UN based) dump the food at the border to be checked to ensure it doesnt contain weapons/contraband to facilitate/fund hamas. the UN want HAMAS to come to their side of the border to collect it.
even though the world knows IF hamas collect UN supply at the border majority wont get to the palestinians as hamas will use it as labour payments for its troops.. also hamas wont dare to come to the border out of fear of being eliminated. so the UN aid just stays at the border.
again for emphasis UN dont want isreal/GHF sending it in and organising the distribution. the UN want UNICEF aid only handled by hamas

also yes isreal dont want to hand it to hamas. so yes the UN aid ends up staying at the border.. however isreal separately do and have and continue to send more of thir own aid in than needed to try to get it to the palestinians by trying to by pass the hamas efforts
lets emphasis one thing the UN wont let isreali group nor GHF take UN supplies in. the UN have said its not isreals property to make claims on the supply, so the UN just let the UN aid sit there. but this does not mean isreals own aid doesnt go in. because the isreal supply aid for palestinians does get in,
 
the UN should have done deals to recognise a peaceful PLO(palestinian liberation organisation) group thats not got the same ideologies as hamas to help with the aid(and economics and politics). but no, instead the UN recognises and supports hamas as the government of gaza and so is ending up siding with them in regards to certain narratives and stuff

the funny thing is.. the UN is trying to be peaceful bystander to not provoke hamas by playing games of recognising hamas as a legitimate government. yet the UN FEAR hamas and the UN wont even send its own aid workers across the border anymore since 168 of their own workers were killed by hamas in 2024

its time UN de-legitimise hamas and try to empower a peaceful palestinian group to help and bring peace to gaza.. so that it can actually be steps towards recognising gaza as palestine

[DaRude]

You keep intentionally confusing everyone. Regardless, your main thesis that Palestinians are not being wiped out intentionally, but even if they are it's not Israel's fault, seems laughable to everyone. My grown braincells care not for your words of intent, but for the actual outcome. Argument that since Hamas is shouting death to isreal, death to america, justifies Israel "unintentional" murder of as many Palestinians as they wish, would not stand in any court of law or for any critically thinking person.

Once again it doesn't matter if Israel claims it doesn't purposefully targeting palestinians. What matters is the proportionality of the military action and the loss of life of innocent civilians from said military action.

its a warzone.. people do die.. accept that fact then you can transition your braincells onto the deeper topic
isreal are not purposefully targetting palestinians.. accept that fact then you can transition you braincells onto the deeper topic
isreal are not trying to starve palestinians.. accept that and move onto the deeper topic
isreal are actually sending in aid. and trying to get around/avoid hamas tactics
isreal are trying to get rid of hamas so that palestinians can have some self control and sign some peacedeals
isreal send warnings and give notice when a new area is about to become a warzone.

when you realise its hamas not sharing the food, when you realise its hamas telling palestinians to stay in warzones and such. you will use a braincell or two to realise the amount of innocent death would be far less if hamas was gone. the amount of deaths would have been avoided if hamas never got into power and things played out with a continuation of PLO and the peace process
...
the amount of infant milk powder sent into gaza is far far more then needed to feed all infants multiple times over for months.. and yet its not getting to the kids because.... hamas

ive already answered my opinion as to the proportionality of death.. but as for the UN's legal definition of allowable collateral damage in proportion to the risks the intended targets could cause.. thats for you to read the UN documents and debate them about

1-I believe that Palestine is the land decided unanimously by UN resolutions in 1967.
2-According to Gaza’s Ministry of Health, the number of deaths from starvation in the territory stands at 162, including 92 children.
Of 74 malnutrition-related deaths in 2025, 63 occurred in July – including 24 children under five, a child over five, and 38 adults. Most of these people were declared dead on arrival at health facilities or died shortly after, their bodies showing clear signs of severe wasting.
3-I do not posses this information, seems like a silly preventable infant deaths that could be easily prevented if red cross was allowed to do their job.

92* children since october 2023.. and you call that genocide. of which 25 in july(compared to the 36 children hamas killed in one day on oct 7th 2023)
genocide is the intentional desire of death of a whole nation/race/ethnicity/creed..
EG hamas killed isreali's purely because of their nationality/creed

isreal are not trying to kill all palestinians, there are many attempts at peacedeals to prove it.. isreal are trying to remove hamas, which is something totally different to your narrative and something your trying to avoid discussing

*have you tried to look deeper into that number to see if its actual death due to starvation, or whether malnutrition was a co-morbidity of another illness/issue that could have been prevented with special diet thats not part of normal rations.. EG if infants only given milk formula but some children are lactose intolerant. they could have been fed milk but also being malnourished and suffering due to not getting special non-lactose milk. for instance

She needed a special baby formula which did not exist in Gaza,” Zainab’s father, Ahmed Abu Halib, told The Associated Press as he prepared for her funeral prayers in the hospital’s courtyard in the southern city of Khan Younis.

Dr. Ahmed al-Farah, head of the pediatric department, said the girl had needed a special type of formula that helps with babies allergic to cow’s milk.

He said she hadn’t suffered from any diseases, but the lack of the formula led to chronic diarrhea and vomiting. She wasn’t able to swallow as her weakened immune system led to a bacterial infection and sepsis, and quickly lost more weight.

have you looked into the details of area's where hamas have stockpiles of milk AND canned vegetables which could have been mashed up into pastes for infants.. but just not handed to palestinians

I believe i answered your questions to the best of my abilities. Now can i expect you to do the same, that is to truthfully answer the following simple questions

1-What must be the death toll in Gaza, with population of about 2m, for genocide to occur?
2-Why doesn't Israel want to devalue Hamas's food holding by allowing in as much food as international organisations want to bring in? What would be the downside for Israel?

its not a number of already committed murder, its the intention(of a nation/race/ethnicity/creed eradication) behind those deaths.. isreal have no intention to kill all palestinians
yet hamas do have nation/ethnic/creed intentions of death. so if you want to look at whom have the views/intentions of genocide, look and point towards hamas and iran

isreal have no control of the markets inside gaza. isreal can send 50, 200, 500 trucks a day. it wont make a difference if hamas ambush the trucks. hamas would just keep hoarding it and only release whatever amount they want, and price it at whatever amount they want
(personally i feel there should be zero price on the supplies.. but we all know hamas wont allow that)


this is why isreal are trying air drops instead, to bypass ambush risk routes and spread the aid wide enough that hamas cant organise attacks on one collective shipment, thus allowing palestinians a better chance of grabbing it. the idea and hope is that palestinians grab the dropped crates and they self organise sharing it with with fellow villagers and extended family before hamas hoard it

Accept the fact that once you put a blockade around a region, you are responsible for that regions...accept that fact then you can transition your braincells onto the deeper topic
Claims of intent are irrelevant, actual outcome is what matters...accept that fact then you can transition your braincells onto the deeper topic
Understand that no one believes Israel's proposition that until Hama's full capitulation all civilians deaths are to be blamed on Hamas...accept that fact then you can transition your braincells onto the deeper topic
Understand that no one cares what a random forum member claims over international health organizations...accept that fact then you can transition your braincells onto the deeper topic
Understand that it's not for me to debate UN documents but for ICC (International Criminal Court) and ICJ (International Court of Justice)...accept that fact then you can transition your braincells onto the deeper topic
Understand that the world cannot accept a precedent of over 50% collateral damage for a military operation in a region under blockade where civilians are not allowed to leave...accept that fact then you can transition your braincells onto the deeper topic

1-So as long as Israel doesn't claim intent, they're free to murder as many civilians as they wish in Gaza?
2-Once again you're evading a simple question. We won't allow more food into Palestine because Hamas already has enough food to last them years, makes zero sense. If addition food won't be of benefit to Hamas then why not allow international red cross to do its job? What is the downside for Israel of allowing more food into Gaza?

[Geleve]

The suffering of civilians in any conflict is tragic, and it's painful to watch innocent people—especially children—caught in the crossfire.

[franky1]

Understand that the world cannot accept a precedent of over 50% collateral damage for a military operation in a region under blockade where civilians are not allowed to leave...accept that fact then you can transition your braincells onto the deeper topic

1-So as long as Israel doesn't claim intent, they're free to murder as many civilians as they wish in Gaza?
2-Once again you're evading a simple question. We won't allow more food into Palestine because Hamas already has enough food to last them years, makes zero sense. If addition food won't be of benefit to Hamas then why not allow international red cross to do its job? What is the downside for Israel of allowing more food into Gaza?

your obviously dumber than cartman and not ready to think independently passed the pro hamas rhetoric

isreal has shown extensive edicence ongoing that when they plan an attack on a hamas target zones they send plenty of alert and warning to any civilians in the area..
what your not realising is when there is a hamas leader/promenent hamas military guy, he is usually cowering away in civilian zones with multiple family or neighbours who wont/cant leave his side
isreal is not intentionally trying to kill them. but to allow the actual hamas guy to be left to do as he pleases will cause more suffering that the collateral damage of taking him out
this is the game of hamas to keep people around them as human shields. to hide in or under hospitals and schools so when hamas are taken out, other hamas propadandists can play the violins and crocodile tears pretending that the attack was [insert emotional buzzword of provocation]

hamas should grow a spine. if they actually acted like a defense arm of a government then hamas should be standing guard at the borders of the wasteland, defending to stop attacks happening where civilians live.. but instead hamas hide in civilian zones to cause attacks to happen within civilian zones

hamas keep civilians in the firing line. hamas spread anger and distress to recruit and make innocent people become extremists and end up becoming cannon fodder/pawns of war

as for the numbers of deaths.. those reports are not of some independent health organisation. it comes from hamas's own health department
whats not been said is many of the childrens deaths are not from actual starvation of no food for months. but instead insufficient nutrition in relation to requiring special diets related to other issues.
its not just examples of lactose intolerance where the only rations are lactose based milk powder. but also how some kids have other ailments such as cerebral palsy, kids that cant swallow due to other ailments so need feeding tubes.. all of which require special diets/supplement and medications.. all of which are in control of hamas as hamas control the hospitals

1-So as long as Israel doesn't claim intent, they're free to murder as many civilians as they wish in Gaza?
2-Once again you're evading a simple question. We won't allow more food into Palestine because Hamas already has enough food to last them years, makes zero sense. If addition food won't be of benefit to Hamas then why not allow international red cross to do its job? What is the downside for Israel of allowing more food into Gaza?

1. you keep trying to be dumb with lame suggestions that isreal is trying to murder palestinians and then later deny intent.. grow another braincell and try a different prospective. your arguments are weak and dumb
the collateral damage is not the intent, but the side effect of trying to rid hamas, but where hamas instigate events that cause too much collateral damage by hamas's own cowardly practices

2.isreal allow food in.. isreal sent food in.. isreal are even doing more expensive airdrops to get food in.. all methods are open to get food in as long as they can try to get the food to the palestinians before hamas take it... why... well because once hamas have it, palestinians are not going to get the majority of it
again isreal have sent in more food then needed already. enough that it would have fed all palestinians until mid 2026...
the problem is not food amount. the problem is hamas meddling with the route/distribution and the caring of those needing special diets which hamas hoard the good stuff for their own troops as salaries/bonus

also the number of infant deaths are related to malnutrition due to premature births where they need extra care which is not afforded them by the hamas controlled medical pathways.

there is alot more to it that the narrative you read from pro hamas sources.. atleast try to put some context and research into your efforts

try to realise the hamas narative of "40,000 children starving" number is a false narrative in regards to hamas's own other medical publishings of less than 100 actual infact deaths. whereby even less than 100 are actually directly and solely related to actual starvation of zero nutrition for weeks/months.. majority is due to co-morbidities whereby the infants need something better than basic low quality rations hamas do release and would have suffered less/survived had hamas released the good quality stuff

and yes even isreal are sending in non-lactose and special diet based infant food. however the amount that actually gets to those in need is in question, but the cause for the lack of amount is not. hamas are the cause

[paxmao]

You are making all this up. "The deliveries are ambushed on-route", volunteers... volunteers have been frequently killed by Israel, the Doctor are the ones raising the alarms all over.

You call other emotional (as if that was actually an insult), but you knee-jerk reactions in the forum to anything that is not Trump are all over.

making it up??
do some research
[...]
real research will enlighten you

Again, claiming to have the truth and providing no sources then claiming to have done "research" and showing nothing for it.

You must be under the impression that you do not need to back up your words and the world has to believe whatever childish thing you write just because....I can even think of a reason.

This is people who are actually there. Try "enlightening" them with your armchair strategist "research":

https://www.msf.es/noticia/la-aniquilacion-gaza

Translating for you, as you have never probably gone 5 km from your village:

Médicos Sin Fronteras estamos presenciando la aniquilación deliberada y sistemática de las condiciones necesarias para la vida de los palestinos por parte de las fuerzas israelíes, la destrucción de la atención sanitaria, los ataques indiscriminados contra la población civil, la privación de ayuda (alimentos, agua, electricidad, combustible, suministros médicos), el desplazamiento forzoso de la población dentro de Gaza y la devastación de edificios e infraestructuras.

"We Doctors Without Borders are withnessing the sistematic and deliberate anihilation of the conditions required for the life of the Palestines by the Israeli forces."

And follows on describing the attacks against civilians, the denial of basic life-essential supplies... and essentially all that is required to kill Palestinians.

But yeah... here comes Franky to teach us all "the truth"... hear hear.

BTW, the gaza strip maps have been updated. Here's all your "superior reseach"...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Gaza/@31.5006551,34.4503677,4018m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x14fd7f054e542767:0x7ff98dc913046392!8m2!3d31.5016951!4d34.4668445!16zL20vMGZka2w!5m1!1e2?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDczMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[franky1]

paxmao hates being spoonfed info that doesnt meet his narative so ignores it.. but then cries when its not provided.. secretly i think paxmao has a weird inability to use google properly to do actual real independent research and just relies on social media clickbait as research and then takes exerts from that to then go deeper down a bias rabbit hole of quotes that sound like they fit a certain agenda of pro-hamas/pro-iran agenda

i refuse to spoonfeed the ignorant that dont want to help themselves learn anything beyond their own pre-set bias and narrative

so maybe one day he will look deeper into stuff thats not pro-hamas lead.. but i dont thing it will happen in 2025..

anyway. heres some stuff anyone can check for themselves in quick google searches. and people can look deeper into it in their own way. ill
hamas control the hospitals.
do some research on the "health minister" of gaza and realise whom is in control of the hospitals including their supply chain procedure

its not some independant group of doctors, nor doctors employed under the PLO or other palestinian organisation that run the hospitals administration

yes there are voluntary doctors of many agencies such as MSF(doctors without borders) that are IN the hospitals. but they dont control the hospitals.. hamas does

realise the doctors without borders are asking for supply via the UN route, which the UN want hamas to go to the border to get the aid the UN left at the border
the UN only recognise hamas as the governing party of gaza and so only want hamas to handle the supplies(facepalm x 2m)

isreal send warnings when intelligence shows hamas using the hospitals as cowardly shelter, turning the area into a warzone
hamas refuse to set up military centers in open area's away from civilians
hamas refuse to step away from civilian area's to instead wage war at the borders or open area's away from civilians
hamas are the cowards abusing palestinians/aid workers by turning them into human sheilds/cannon fodder

even MSF admit that isreal give warnings and alerts(evacuation orders) that the area's of and around hospitals end up turning into warzones and isreal give time for evacuations
and yes those that refuse to evacuate end up becoming collateral damage

yes they become un-needed deaths.. but the blame is down to hamas. if/once hamas are removed from control and a peaceful independent palestinian party or a non hamas agenda PLO become the governing organisation of gaza again, cease fires can be maintained, peacedeals can be signed quickly,



read the words of evacuations and realise all chances were made to reduce the collateral damage
realise facts like 1300 MSF personnel in gaza and only 12 died. then look into WHY. and realise that although giving warnings, some decided "stay till the end"

when you look at the context of how many hospitals ended up being abused by hamas and thus end up becoming targets, when you realise how many MSF vehicles there were. but then only 12 deaths.. you soon realise that the doctors are not the intended targets
(read beyond the emotive wordplay, look beyond the rhetoric that avoids talking about hamas's actions in those instances. and actually research based on the facts and details that are revealed in the statements)

(so dont play games that its some mass annihilation of doctors and a genocide. when real figures show a less that 1% collateral damage rate)
(look passed the emotive narrative and instead look deeper into the revealed stats and data and examples of events)

realise why the hospitals and area's around them became legitimate wartime targets. its again for emphasis because HAMAS use and abuse hospitals as their temporary military bases for cowardly shelter. turning patients and doctors into human shields whilst hamas make plans of attack. hamas even booby-trap hospitals and vital infrastructure

realise these doctors and patients deaths are unneeded and undesired, but its a warzone. a warzone caused by hamas not having the bravery to fight away from civilians/aid workers
MSF are too afraid to even mention HAMAS. too afraid to mention the actions of hamas within the hospitals, they fear their lives would be put at risk, or atleast fear becoming political prisoner and kidnapped by hamas for calling out on the hamas actions.. so put the MSF doctors words into context of their real fears, working in the same buildings as cowardly aggressive hamas


realise that if it were not for hamas cowardliness and their use of civilians as human shields, things would be different without hamas

[paxmao]

[...]
i refuse to spoonfeed the ignorant that dont want to help themselves learn anything beyond their own pre-set bias and narrative

so maybe one day he will look deeper into stuff thats not pro-hamas lead.. but i dont thing it will happen in 2025..

anyway. heres some stuff anyone can check for themselves in quick google searches. and people can look deeper into it in their own way. ill
hamas control the hospitals.
do some research on the "health minister" of gaza and realise whom is in control of the hospitals including their supply chain procedure

its not some independant group of doctors, nor doctors employed under the PLO or other palestinian organisation that run the hospitals administration

yes there are voluntary doctors of many agencies such as MSF(doctors without borders) that are IN the hospitals. but they dont control the hospitals.. hamas does

realise the doctors without borders are asking for supply via the UN route, which the UN want hamas to go to the border to get the aid the UN left at the border
the UN only recognise hamas as the governing party of gaza and so only want hamas to handle the supplies(facepalm x 2m)

isreal send warnings when intelligence shows hamas using the hospitals as cowardly shelter, turning the area into a warzone
hamas refuse to set up military centers in open area's away from civilians
hamas refuse to step away from civilian area's to instead wage war at the borders or open area's away from civilians
hamas are the cowards abusing palestinians/aid workers by turning them into human sheilds/cannon fodder

even MSF admit that isreal give warnings and alerts(evacuation orders) that the area's of and around hospitals end up turning into warzones and isreal give time for evacuations
and yes those that refuse to evacuate end up becoming collateral damage

yes they become un-needed deaths.. but the blame is down to hamas. if/once hamas are removed from control and a peaceful independent palestinian party or a non hamas agenda PLO become the governing organisation of gaza again, cease fires can be maintained, peacedeals can be signed quickly,



read the words of evacuations and realise all chances were made to reduce the collateral damage
realise facts like 1300 MSF personnel in gaza and only 12 died. then look into WHY. and realise that although giving warnings, some decided "stay till the end"

when you look at the context of how many hospitals ended up being abused by hamas and thus end up becoming targets, when you realise how many MSF vehicles there were. but then only 12 deaths.. you soon realise that the doctors are not the intended targets
(read beyond the emotive wordplay, look beyond the rhetoric that avoids talking about hamas's actions in those instances. and actually research based on the facts and details that are revealed in the statements)

(so dont play games that its some mass annihilation of doctors and a genocide. when real figures show a less that 1% collateral damage rate)
(look passed the emotive narrative and instead look deeper into the revealed stats and data and examples of events)

realise why the hospitals and area's around them became legitimate wartime targets. its again for emphasis because HAMAS use and abuse hospitals as their temporary military bases for cowardly shelter. turning patients and doctors into human shields whilst hamas make plans of attack. hamas even booby-trap hospitals and vital infrastructure

realise these doctors and patients deaths are unneeded and undesired, but its a warzone. a warzone caused by hamas not having the bravery to fight away from civilians/aid workers
MSF are too afraid to even mention HAMAS. too afraid to mention the actions of hamas within the hospitals, they fear their lives would be put at risk, or atleast fear becoming political prisoner and kidnapped by hamas for calling out on the hamas actions.. so put the MSF doctors words into context of their real fears, working in the same buildings as cowardly aggressive hamas


realise that if it were not for hamas cowardliness and their use of civilians as human shields, things would be different without hamas

"I refuse to spoonfeed" - translation: I do not have any sources, I am making things up and BTW pretending to be superior in this forum is such a common place... Franky, you need to get more creative in your camouglage techniques, you are getting repetitive. BTW, you are also putting words in my keyboard that I did not write and it is becoming a worrying trend. I mean worrying for you, confusing your own thoughts with other's people's.

They do want EVERYONE to leave Gaza. This is not against Hamas, this is an operation to make Gaza unlivable so that they can clean up and build riviera flats for Israelis. Unless you consider Trump a "pro-hamas source".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0xJ1sXq2FE

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-posts-gaza-riviera-ai-video-sunbathing-benjamin-netanyahu/

U.S. President Donald Trump posted a late-night video on social media with an AI-generated vision for the future of Gaza.

The bizarre, 30-second clip starts with scenes of destruction in the coastal enclave, where the Israeli military waged a 15-month retaliatory assault to try to root out Hamas militants in response to the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel. The opening scene is superimposed with the text “Gaza 2025.”

Doctors are complaning on attacks on them, but also of supplies. Go and "explain" to them that they are not sufficiently "enlightened" and that you refuse to "spoonfeed" them.

(so dont play games that its some mass annihilation of doctors and a genocide. when real figures show a less that 1% collateral damage rate)

You have made this figure up (or taken it from some Israeli official source, which ammounts to the same).

realise these doctors and patients deaths are unneeded and undesired, but its a warzone.

BTW, Medicos sin Fronteras, Meddicins Sans Frontiers and the equivalents in US and other countries are ONGs and certainly do not respond to Hammas or Palestine.

[franky1]

read the words of evacuations and realise all chances were made to reduce the collateral damage
realise facts like 1300 MSF personnel in gaza and only 12 died. then look into WHY. and realise that although giving warnings, some decided "stay till the end"

when you look at the context of how many hospitals ended up being abused by hamas and thus end up becoming targets, when you realise how many MSF vehicles there were. but then only 12 deaths.. you soon realise that the doctors are not the intended targets

"I refuse to spoonfeed" - translation: I do not have any sources, I am making things up

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-posts-gaza-riviera-ai-video-sunbathing-benjamin-netanyahu/

me make it up??.. YOU have previously in other topics made up numbers of how much and how long it would take car manufacturers to increase US production.. i showed you with an actual real world case study how your numbers and timescales were wrong. that case study took weeks not years. it didnt even cost a billion.. let alone your 4 year multi billion estimates

i stated in this topic of how many doctors actually died. and showed you an actually whiteboard wrote by a doctor who refused to leave a warzone target...
and an article in full made by MSF(doctors without borders)
i have shown many details which can be easily checked.. (something you should do)
but you dont want to check or research. you just want things cited and linked and referenced so you dont have to do anything.. the very essence of spoonfeed

.. and what do you reply with
out of context snippets of quotes
an AI generated video NOT made by trump, NOT showing whitehouse nor isreali plans. it was a satirical mock of trump and netanyahu!!! made by someone else
the AI video was mocking trump and isreal..

but you want to pretend it was trump making an announcement of takeover plans (facepalm x 100)

..
as for asking palestinians to seek shelter in safer countries.. this is not isreal trapping palestinians in a killing field. again isreal dont want the palestinians in the warzone
yes its a warzone. a war between isreal and hamas.. (something you endlessly ignore)
isreal dont want innocent people suffering another harsh winter in tents in area's booby-trapped by hamas.. other willing countries are willing to take them in. the peacedeals include resettlement plans AND COMPENSATIONS

and no before you twist things in emotive wordplay.. resettlement is not genocide.. learn what things mean. because you and others like you always love to thrust emotive wordplay around but dont look at the facts

isreal actually are helping more then they should. isreal actually have no legal requirement to even send food in nor sent medical flights in to transport seriously ill people to neighbouring countries for care.. but they do..

so actually learn stuff, stop just grabbing silly ai crap from social media. learn from actual case studies and reports.

analogy:
its like you and others like you are saying russia is at war with ukraine.. so russia has to feed ukrainians, find housing for ukrainians. and pay for all the medical and emigration..
where you and others like you think if russia doesnt feed, house and medicate ukrainians its somehow triple genocide.
where you and people like you think that if ukrainians dare emigrate out of ukraine then that too is genocide ..

you have really bitten the nonsense poison if you are siding with hamas narrative.. so try to do some real research and stay away from AI content sent to social media. especially if you cant interpret what the social media content actually means

[paxmao]

read the words of evacuations and realise all chances were made to reduce the collateral damage
realise facts like 1300 MSF personnel in gaza and only 12 died. then look into WHY. and realise that although giving warnings, some decided "stay till the end"

when you look at the context of how many hospitals ended up being abused by hamas and thus end up becoming targets, when you realise how many MSF vehicles there were. but then only 12 deaths.. you soon realise that the doctors are not the intended targets

"I refuse to spoonfeed" - translation: I do not have any sources, I am making things up

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-posts-gaza-riviera-ai-video-sunbathing-benjamin-netanyahu/

me make it up??.. YOU have previously in other topics made up numbers of how much and how long it would take car manufacturers to increase US production.. i showed you with an actual real world case study how your numbers and timescales were wrong. that case study took weeks not years. it didnt even cost a billion.. let alone your 4 year multi billion estimates

i stated in this topic of how many doctors actually died. and showed you an actually whiteboard wrote by a doctor who refused to leave a warzone target...
and an article in full made by MSF(doctors without borders)
i have shown many details which can be easily checked.. (something you should do)
but you dont want to check or research. you just want things cited and linked and referenced so you dont have to do anything.. the very essence of spoonfeed

.. and what do you reply with
out of context snippets of quotes
an AI generated video NOT made by trump, NOT showing whitehouse nor isreali plans. it was a satirical mock of trump and netanyahu!!! made by someone else
the AI video was mocking trump and isreal..

but you want to pretend it was trump making an announcement of takeover plans (facepalm x 100)

..
as for asking palestinians to seek shelter in safer countries.. this is not isreal trapping palestinians in a killing field. again isreal dont want the palestinians in the warzone
yes its a warzone. a war between isreal and hamas.. (something you endlessly ignore)
isreal dont want innocent people suffering another harsh winter in tents in area's booby-trapped by hamas.. other willing countries are willing to take them in. the peacedeals include resettlement plans AND COMPENSATIONS

and no before you twist things in emotive wordplay.. resettlement is not genocide.. learn what things mean. because you and others like you always love to thrust emotive wordplay around but dont look at the facts

isreal actually are helping more then they should. isreal actually have no legal requirement to even send food in nor sent medical flights in to transport seriously ill people to neighbouring countries for care.. but they do..

so actually learn stuff, stop just grabbing silly ai crap from social media. learn from actual case studies and reports.

analogy:
its like you and others like you are saying russia is at war with ukraine.. so russia has to feed ukrainians, find housing for ukrainians. and pay for all the medical and emigration..
where you and others like you think if russia doesnt feed, house and medicate ukrainians its somehow triple genocide.
where you and people like you think that if ukrainians dare emigrate out of ukraine then that too is genocide ..

you have really bitten the nonsense poison if you are siding with hamas narrative.. so try to do some real research and stay away from AI content sent to social media. especially if you cant interpret what the social media content actually means

Yes, your numbers are made up. You do not provide reliable sources, you call names instead of providing evidence, citacions, links...  When you say something it is on you to demonstrate. I am surprised this is new to you.

resettlement is not genocide.. learn what things mean.

 I usually quote sources and there are many that will justify MY numbers (not the ones you say I gave but are a product of your imagination). Particularly, the billions in investment required to industrialise the US - to be paid by US taxpayers - are easy to evidence.

Still waiting for you to justify the 1% number you threw in your previous post. Unless it is made up?

Yes Genocide is happening - firstly in a direct manner, by bombing people, starving them and depriving them from basic life-critical supplies.

But also because Genocide includes any action destined to destroy a nation. The relocation conditions of Palestinians - FORCED - implies dissolving their identity and their nation.  So yes, arguably there is a Genocide.

But what does not require arguing is that Trump's plan is a crime against humanity.

You are making up any offer of compensation or agreement. The current Israeli government with the help of Trump are imposing a forced relocation of a whole nation. First you bomb everything to the point in which the place is unliveable and then you "offer a relocation".

I wonder what would you think if someone offered such a "deal" to yourself. Bomb the place you live, cut your water, food, medical supplies and access to healthcare and then "offer you a deal".

[DaRude]

Understand that the world cannot accept a precedent of over 50% collateral damage for a military operation in a region under blockade where civilians are not allowed to leave...accept that fact then you can transition your braincells onto the deeper topic

1-So as long as Israel doesn't claim intent, they're free to murder as many civilians as they wish in Gaza?
2-Once again you're evading a simple question. We won't allow more food into Palestine because Hamas already has enough food to last them years, makes zero sense. If addition food won't be of benefit to Hamas then why not allow international red cross to do its job? What is the downside for Israel of allowing more food into Gaza?

your obviously dumber than cartman and not ready to think independently passed the pro hamas rhetoric

isreal has shown extensive edicence ongoing that when they plan an attack on a hamas target zones they send plenty of alert and warning to any civilians in the area..
what your not realising is when there is a hamas leader/promenent hamas military guy, he is usually cowering away in civilian zones with multiple family or neighbours who wont/cant leave his side
isreal is not intentionally trying to kill them. but to allow the actual hamas guy to be left to do as he pleases will cause more suffering that the collateral damage of taking him out
this is the game of hamas to keep people around them as human shields. to hide in or under hospitals and schools so when hamas are taken out, other hamas propadandists can play the violins and crocodile tears pretending that the attack was [insert emotional buzzword of provocation]

hamas should grow a spine. if they actually acted like a defense arm of a government then hamas should be standing guard at the borders of the wasteland, defending to stop attacks happening where civilians live.. but instead hamas hide in civilian zones to cause attacks to happen within civilian zones

hamas keep civilians in the firing line. hamas spread anger and distress to recruit and make innocent people become extremists and end up becoming cannon fodder/pawns of war

as for the numbers of deaths.. those reports are not of some independent health organisation. it comes from hamas's own health department
whats not been said is many of the childrens deaths are not from actual starvation of no food for months. but instead insufficient nutrition in relation to requiring special diets related to other issues.
its not just examples of lactose intolerance where the only rations are lactose based milk powder. but also how some kids have other ailments such as cerebral palsy, kids that cant swallow due to other ailments so need feeding tubes.. all of which require special diets/supplement and medications.. all of which are in control of hamas as hamas control the hospitals

1-So as long as Israel doesn't claim intent, they're free to murder as many civilians as they wish in Gaza?
2-Once again you're evading a simple question. We won't allow more food into Palestine because Hamas already has enough food to last them years, makes zero sense. If addition food won't be of benefit to Hamas then why not allow international red cross to do its job? What is the downside for Israel of allowing more food into Gaza?

1. you keep trying to be dumb with lame suggestions that isreal is trying to murder palestinians and then later deny intent.. grow another braincell and try a different prospective. your arguments are weak and dumb
the collateral damage is not the intent, but the side effect of trying to rid hamas, but where hamas instigate events that cause too much collateral damage by hamas's own cowardly practices

2.isreal allow food in.. isreal sent food in.. isreal are even doing more expensive airdrops to get food in.. all methods are open to get food in as long as they can try to get the food to the palestinians before hamas take it... why... well because once hamas have it, palestinians are not going to get the majority of it
again isreal have sent in more food then needed already. enough that it would have fed all palestinians until mid 2026...
the problem is not food amount. the problem is hamas meddling with the route/distribution and the caring of those needing special diets which hamas hoard the good stuff for their own troops as salaries/bonus

also the number of infant deaths are related to malnutrition due to premature births where they need extra care which is not afforded them by the hamas controlled medical pathways.

there is alot more to it that the narrative you read from pro hamas sources.. atleast try to put some context and research into your efforts

try to realise the hamas narative of "40,000 children starving" number is a false narrative in regards to hamas's own other medical publishings of less than 100 actual infact deaths. whereby even less than 100 are actually directly and solely related to actual starvation of zero nutrition for weeks/months.. majority is due to co-morbidities whereby the infants need something better than basic low quality rations hamas do release and would have suffered less/survived had hamas released the good quality stuff

and yes even isreal are sending in non-lactose and special diet based infant food. however the amount that actually gets to those in need is in question, but the cause for the lack of amount is not. hamas are the cause

Looks like your brain completely fried itself on your own propaganda overdose. If there is a terrorist group in a first country killing civilians, does another country which has a total blockade over this first country, controlling all incoming food and water all entrances and exists and not allowing even refugees women and children to leave, bears no responsibility? I'm not sure how else to say it, but even when there's a terrorist in a building, you cannot just lock all doors and windows and shoots at everyone trying to flee that building, and not be considered a terrorist as well.

These things are not mutually exclusive, both Hamas and Israel can commit crimes against humanity. It's just the west is not sponsoring Hamas with money and weapons while they're committing their crimes.

We estimated 64 260 deaths (95% CI 55 298–78 525) due to traumatic injury during the study period, suggesting the Palestinian MoH under-reported mortality by 41%. The annualised crude death rate was 39·3 per 1000 people (95% CI 35·7–49·4), representing a rate ratio of 14·0 (95% CI 12·8–17·6) compared with all-cause mortality in 2022, even when ignoring non-injury excess mortality. Women, children (aged <18 years), and older people (aged ≥65 years) accounted for 16 699 (59·1%) of the 28 257 deaths for which age and sex data were available.

Is Lancet also run by Hamas? I guess you would rather want people to believe your wild claims instead of the lancet right?  

9 October 2023
Defense Minister Yoav Gallant says he has ordered a “complete siege” of the Gaza Strip, as Israel fights the Hamas terror group.

“I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed,” Gallant says following an assessment at the IDF Southern Command in Beersheba.

“We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” he adds.

So, first step is to order a complete siege of a region, openly admit that you do not allow food in, then blame starving population for looting whatever little aid makes it in? Quiet despicable!!

The mathematics of starvation: how Israel caused a famine in Gaza
...
They pointed to deadly and chaotic food distributions by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a US and Israeli-backed logistics startup, as proof that Palestinians had access to food.

Yet data compiled and published by Israel’s own government makes clear that it has been starving Gaza. Between March and June, Israel allowed just 56,000 tonnes of food to enter the territory, Cogat records show, less than a quarter of Gaza’s minimum needs for that period.

The Guardian must be run by Hamas too?  

But looks like Israel is finally caving under pressure, lets see if it holds.

In a statement issued later by the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, or OCHA, which Mr. Fletcher heads up, he added that some movement restrictions appear to have been eased today, with initial reports indicating that over 100 truckloads were collected.

“This is progress, but vast amounts of aid are needed to stave off famine and a catastrophic health crisis. Across the UN agencies and humanitarian community, we are mobilised to save as many lives as we can, he said, but called for “sustained action, and fast”, including quicker clearances for convoys going to the crossing and dispatching into Gaza.

[franky1]

Still waiting for you to justify the 1% number you threw in your previous post. Unless it is made up?

google it you inept manchild

MSF had stated they had 1300 medical personel in gaza and only 12 died..
challenge yourself. go on.. dont waste other peoples time while you wait for them to feed you. spend 2 seconds looking for yourself.

ok just to once again prove how inept you are for the other readers to see how stupid you have become in oyur lack of ability to research. here ill give you a hint



now learn how to do math
100/1300*12 = ~1%

..
see how easy that was.. just 4 seconds of google searches and you could have found the info for yourself and not need to trust me.. and thats the point google exists so that you can find things for yourself. learn to use it and stop wasting other peoples time with your endless cries to be fed.. it costs you nothing and saves you time to actually google stuff.. its called research
when you read something but not sure about it, google it.

next time give it a try, it will help you

if you are willing to type a question into a forum and wait hours for a response and then argue about it even when given the answer..
.. then you should be willing to spend just 2 seconds to type it into google and get the answer in 2 seconds

do you now see how stupid you look by doing the lengthy argumentative method which even if given the answer the long way round you are still not going to be happy..

so learn to do the short way, that way you can get the answers from a source that is not "franky" and then you might one day be happy within yourself that you finally achieved something all by your self

learn to be a grown up and do your on research

[puloweh555]

That's the way the Jews are, they even view Palestinians as pests to be exterminated, regardless of whether they consider children or women equal. Yes, I think so too. Perhaps that's why Hitler massacred them at that time, because Jews often caused trouble wherever they went. Now, Palestinians are no longer dying from bombs, but from starvation, which is slowly killing them. Strangely, many countries can't do much about Israel's crimes.

aww look another empty brain ^ just repeating a narrative... but notice the lack of using the word hamas.. look at the obvious avoidance of pointing out hamas. look at how the narrative quoted is trying to use the usual propaganda wordage of genocide against palestinians, instead of looking at reality

isreal want peace and unity with palestinians. BUT its hamas that want to get rid of isreal. its hamas that are abusing the palestinians also

the UN dont want egypt, isreal or any other nation helping move the aid inside the gaza border, the UN want only hamas to control the food within the border.
the food UN send to the border ends up staying at the border because of this..(hamas are too afriad to walk up to the border to get it)
isreal separately send its own food supply resources through the border and into deep gaza and try to get it to food aid distribution stations. but hamas blockade and organise civil unrest to cause ambushes on the aid before it gets to the distribution sites (that are not owned by hamas)
hamas take over the aid supply enroute deep within gaza away from the border

read the news for once and dont go just looking for buzzwords, look deeper than the propaganda and actually articulate whats being said.
when bias media says there was an attack on food trucks or an attack on people NEAR a distribution site. realise that what is not being highlighted is the NEAR part.. because showing that isreal try to get the aid to the site but it never gets there because they get ambushed enroute.

dig deeper, learn, educate yourself and do some research..

if hamas were eliminated then isreali's and palestinians can sign peace deals.. its hamas that decline to sign peace deals and were the ones instigating attacks over the years. isreal do not treat palestinians the same as hamas. isreal know the difference. so stop trying to use the word palestinians when its obviously a isreal vs hamas.. and yes i know there is collateral damage and innocent bystander casualties of palestinians. but thats called war. isreal atleast do try to do warning shots and alert the civilians when an area is to become a target zone, giving them time to move. but its hamas that dont want civilians to move away/seek shelter. its hamas that dont give warnings before their attacks, its also hamas that boobytrap infrustructure and use it as cover to cause alot of unneeded damage

yes gaza should be called palestine. it has ancient historic provenance and land claims(philistia/philistines) BUT not under hamas control

Without Hamas, Gaza or Palestine might not exist today. Do you understand which countries are being occupied? And Hamas can be said to be a form of resistance against the occupation. You must understand the history of the two countries, how the occupation of Palestine occurred not only in Gaza but also in the West Bank.

Don't just look at the events of October 7th, which Hamas initiated; you must also consider what Israel did for the Palestinian people decades ago. You speak of propaganda. Perhaps you were carried away by the propaganda that Israel pretended to be providing aid, but it was actually they who closed the Raffah Gate, preventing access to Gaza. Did you see the video of the aid arriving, where Gazans were shot at by Israeli forces? Your statement makes it seem as if Israel was acting righteously, like a heroic nation providing aid that saved Palestine, when the opposite is true.

Perhaps it would be fairer to study this conflict from both sides. But for now, we're no longer looking for who's right and who's wrong. It's time to focus on the humanitarian crisis and famine that's occurring there, so we can address it quickly. It's heartbreaking to see the plight of the Palestinian people right now.

Perhaps you're right, or perhaps I'm right, but the humanitarian crisis in Palestine must be stopped.

[franky1]

Without Hamas, Gaza or Palestine might not exist today. Do you understand which countries are being occupied? And Hamas can be said to be a form of resistance against the occupation. You must understand the history of the two countries, how the occupation of Palestine occurred not only in Gaza but also in the West Bank.

the westbank is a totally different story with its own battles and land claims totally different scenario to gaza
gaza as its own nation/state/country has got its own provenance claim going back to the philistines millenia's ago
and in recent history has been in control via egypt more so than isreal.. so you might want to look deeper into that

isreali's have long since millenia's ago not had a big problem with peaceful palestinians.. however its the extremists of hamas which are part of the historic extremism of those wanting to bring back ancient empires.. so you might want to look into that

Don't just look at the events of October 7th, which Hamas initiated; you must also consider what Israel did for the Palestinian people decades ago. You speak of propaganda. Perhaps you were carried away by the propaganda that Israel pretended to be providing aid, but it was actually they who closed the Raffah Gate, preventing access to Gaza.

do you know the context detail and reasons for the march-may 2025 aid restriction.. did you know in march they had sent in enough(provable) aid trucks to have survived the 2m palestinians until october 2025. and so there was enough food ent in to cover a stoppage whilst negotiations happend to try and get a ceasefire, peacedeal and get some prisoners/hostages released.

Did you see the video of the aid arriving, where Gazans were shot at by Israeli forces? Your statement makes it seem as if Israel was acting righteously, like a heroic nation providing aid that saved Palestine, when the opposite is true.

did you look into the context where the food trucks were NOT arriving AT distribution centres, but travelling along the route TO them. whereby a planned ambush occured. did you also not see the pre-clip footage and reports of where warnings were given but the ambush continued putting the air truck drivers and accompanying security at risk.

personally if i wa a aid worker on a truck. and seen a crowd of hundreds of people 200yards ahead blockading the roads.. id just stop the truck. exit the truck and walk back away from the blockaid and just let whomever take the supplies..
however the security staff are under contract to protect the supplies until they reach the intended distribution site and to defend it from ambush/attacks on route.

yes people should have not risked their lives and instead just waited at the distribution site to get their rations.. but hamas coaxed/provoked and scared many people(to become pawns/cannon fodder/human shields) by saying there is not enough aid to ration out to all those at the distribution site, putting the idea in their head they should travel to the supply routes road, and ambush the truck with a first come first get mindset...
(analogy: much like the idiotic agitators idea put into peoples minds at 4am outside western retail stores on blackfridays. and then all the panic pushing and fighting occurs.. much like how riots happen. much like the toilet paper issue in the first weeks of covid. )
hamas know how to trick innocent people into panic. and people in fear will end up doing risky things if hey think the things they need wont be gotten unless they go to extremes..

Perhaps it would be fairer to study this conflict from both sides. But for now, we're no longer looking for who's right and who's wrong. It's time to focus on the humanitarian crisis and famine that's occurring there, so we can address it quickly. It's heartbreaking to see the plight of the Palestinian people right now.

Perhaps you're right, or perhaps I'm right, but the humanitarian crisis in Palestine must be stopped.

there is enough food in palestine to feed everyone until mid 2026.. its just hoarded by hamas troops..
isreal has and will continue to send more food in, its the other agencies that are not helping
UN dont want isreal or GHF to handle UN supplies inside gaza border. UN want hamas to come get it at the border
hamas dont want to come to the border because they are cowards, and so they think its their right to take the isreal supplied rations mid route inside gaza

yes the war, crises and unneeded death should stop.
isreal have proven to show many attempt s of peacedeals. yet it always amounts to hamas declining it

what would possibly be best if no one can entirely remove hamas.. is that the palestinians themselves revolt against hamas politically and call for a new election where they can get a peaceful palestinian group incharge of gaza.. but now we are just spit balling lots of other idea's of routes to peace, but all will end up is de-powering hamas's control of gaza

[CalafioriRicardo]

I hope the money you get for being Netanyahu's internet bot is at least worth the nonsense you constantly spew on this topic in order to justify one of the biggest genocides in the last 100 years, which, thank God, the whole world can see.

Literally every word spoken on this topic by this bot is straight out of the propaganda playbook of Israel’s genocidal ministers like Ben-Gvir and others, who are banned from entering any country on the planet except America. Literally feels like re-reading some TimesOfIsrael article lmao.

Who knows, maybe it’s Ben-Gvir himself behind this account.

And before you start, no, KHAMAS is not behind this post, "manchild" lmao.

[Sulyba3483]

Humanity and justice for Palestine

[paxmao]

Even in Israel some would rather not have war.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cgq7qpqz27qo

Thousands of demonstrators packed Tel Aviv's Habima Square on Thursday, calling on the Israeli government to agree a deal to end the war in Gaza and bring all the hostages still held by Hamas home.

Footage shows huge crowds, with some people holding signs aloft to show their objection to the ongoing conflict.

Following the main rally some protesters blocked nearby streets and were forcibly dispersed by police, who also detained some individuals.

Still waiting for you to justify the 1% number you threw in your previous post. Unless it is made up?

google it you inept manchild

MSF had stated they had 1300 medical personel in gaza and only 12 died..
challenge yourself. go on.. dont waste other peoples time while you wait for them to feed you. spend 2 seconds looking for yourself.

ok just to once again prove how inept you are for the other readers to see how stupid you have become in oyur lack of ability to research. here ill give you a hint



now learn how to do math
100/1300*12 = ~1%

..
see how easy that was.. just 4 seconds of google searches and you could have found the info for yourself and not need to trust me.. and thats the point google exists so that you can find things for yourself. learn to use it and stop wasting other peoples time with your endless cries to be fed.. it costs you nothing and saves you time to actually google stuff.. its called research
when you read something but not sure about it, google it.

next time give it a try, it will help you

if you are willing to type a question into a forum and wait hours for a response and then argue about it even when given the answer..
.. then you should be willing to spend just 2 seconds to type it into google and get the answer in 2 seconds

do you now see how stupid you look by doing the lengthy argumentative method which even if given the answer the long way round you are still not going to be happy..

so learn to do the short way, that way you can get the answers from a source that is not "franky" and then you might one day be happy within yourself that you finally achieved something all by your self

learn to be a grown up and do your on research

Namecalling... mm I must have touched a nerve here. Insults say a lot about you, not about me.

But glad you finally decide to give some sources, I was begining to believe that you think that people actually HAVE to believe you without you having to proof anything (so narcissistic is even funny you do not get it).

But good to know that from challenging the source in your previous post, you come now to USE the source to justify your narrative. What is is Franky... is it a source or is it Palestinian controlled like you argued in your previous post? Consistency is not your strong point.

So according to Franky's theorem of "I am right and do not need to prove" we have to prove or seek information when you make a random statement on a "4 second search".  Ok... let's play along...

Yes Franky it was "so easy", 4 seconds... and the result is as usual...wrong or better said, you are using statistics without actually knowing how to use them. You certainly have a full blown Dunning-Kruger.

In this case you are generalising from a very particular case - aid workers - which usually avoid the areas in which the risks are greater and yet still they get killed. BTW these workers locations are communicated always to the current Israeli government. When they hit, they know they are there.

https://www.map.org.uk/news/archive/post/1736-1400-healthcare-workers-killed-in-israelas-systematic-attacks-on-gazaas-health-system

1,400 healthcare workers killed in Israel’s systematic attacks on Gaza’s health system

But let's say I do not believe this source, after all has a "donate" button and says "Palestine" in the title.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/israel-palestinians-gaza-health/

Al-Attar, 39, was one of at least 490 Gazan healthcare workers killed since Israel swore to destroy Hamas in retaliation for its cross-border assault on Oct. 7, according to Gaza’s health ministry. She was a specialist doctor, one of a vanguard improving public health for Gaza’s fast-growing population before the war, whose deaths have done its health service grave harm.

So ... how is that Franky? 12 doctors and the rest nurses? If you go to link you can see some portraits there. These are the people you are denying were killed or say it was just "collateral". Maybe you are a grown up and can click the link and look at their faces and tell them "Good news! I have googles and you are actually alive".

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-press-release-16jul25/

Here Franky, call the families of these people and tell "enlighten" them with your goolgle searh while sitting in your armchair.

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/remembering-our-colleagues-killed-gaza

BTW... not all are "accidents in a warzone"...
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/09/un-expert-shocked-death-another-palestinian-doctor-israeli-detention

UN expert shocked by death of another Palestinian doctor in Israeli detention

Google this one, you will find out how this person was "enlightened" while you were sipping your morning tea (or coffee or pills).

And now, keep it up, having a reputation for denying genocide can be very useful... there are many political parties that would give you a role in communications.


Or alternatively, you can dedicate a few more "senconds" to understand the world.

[franky1]

aww poor paxmao

he wanted me to look at the portraits of the TWELVE doctors without borders(MSF) people.. and he thinks im the one denying their deaths!!
awww.. paxmao should try reading more. and realise i was the one that enlightened him to those 12 people..

paxmao. YOU brought up the topic of doctors without borders(MSF). and i mentioned the total amount of staff of doctors without borders(1300) and how many have died.

you are trying to turn it into an unsubstanciated claim that 1400 of them died and its genocide by YOU trying to have numbers that resemble the total number of doctors without borders.
..

realise many things here.
you are the one messing with the numbers. even the links you show dont tie into your claims. even the UN are not announcing the numbers as factual, as even they are aware the numbers of 1400death number are both sourced from unreliable hamas(MoH) and also the numbers include other personnel such as aid workers and such.

so try harder and realise that you are not looking for facts. you instead prefer to waste time looking for fudged numbers to fit your narrative to have any excuse to crocodile tear the word "genocide"

its like hamas supporters must be getting paid per use of the word 'genocide' and get double paid if hey can avoid using the word hamas in their posts

as for you thinking im the one on some ego trip wanting people to just blindly trust what i say.. my actual motto (also included in my footer) is..
.. guess..  "DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH"
i have always been telling people to do their own research for years.. to such a point that idiots are crying at how much i tell them to look things up for themselves and learn for themselves

i dont want to sponfeed idiots whom are too ashamed to look up things for themselves for independent learning purposes.
i will however give hints to those willing to show some sign of them wanting to learn.. but the idiots that just scream and cry for days but cant be bothered to do their own research dont deserve the hints, especially if all they want to do is fudge some other number as their rebuttal.. just to cause debate

so stop crying for days waiting for me to spoonfeed you and instead learn to do your own research.. and by this i dont mean just find any random quote that fits your pre-conceived pro-hamas bias. instead actually find the facts. of the situation/topic/case study at hand

such as me, noting you want to talk about 'doctors without borders'(MSF), and so i actually looked for facts about doctors without borders..
.. compared to you trying to find some random quote from media that cannot be verified by any institute that tells a different number not even related to doctors without borders..  just so you can cause a argument

yep even the UN dont trust the 1400 healthworker death number.. even the UN put disclaimers that the data came from risky sources and also includes numbers of people in other lines of employment outside the titled group

but it is funny how you later then list the exact same 12 'doctors without borders' that are verified.. with their pictures and yet you then pretend im the one ignoring those 12.. pretending i need to look at their pictures to acknowledge them... especially when it was me trying to get you to acknowledge the 12 deaths of those in doctors without borders personnel

you seem more interesting in showing yourself up as an idiot wanting to be spoonfed, rather then waste less time actually learning about particular subjects

[franky1]

But let's say I do not believe this source, after all has a "donate" button and says "Palestine" in the title.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/israel-palestinians-gaza-health/

Al-Attar, 39, was one of at least 490 Gazan healthcare workers killed since Israel swore to destroy Hamas in retaliation for its cross-border assault on Oct. 7, according to Gaza’s health ministry. She was a specialist doctor, one of a vanguard improving public health for Gaza’s fast-growing population before the war, whose deaths have done its health service grave harm.

screw it lets go down your rabbit hole.. lets delve deep into "al-Attar 39yo"

you atleast admit isreal swore to destroy HAMAS.. so you admit to now seeing a quote you sourced that calls for HAMAS destruction.. not palestinian genocide

anyway.. lets delve deeper into what you dont want to quote

Operating under an Israeli blockade after Hamas seized control in 2007, the health service in Gaza was fraught with difficulties, including deep-rooted factionalism over who ran Gaza and waves of conflict with Israel. But in some fields the health service had made advances, thanks to investment and support from abroad and the persistence of doctors like Al-Attar,
[..]
There is no independent mechanism to verify the Hamas-run government's data, which is recognized by the U.N. and used by international health agencies in the same way as government data from other countries
[..]
Specialist doctors like Al-Attar were part of a strategic effort by Hamas to build a self-sufficient health system for Gaza, from burn care to cancer diagnosis and kidney treatment, Gaza’s first health minister told Reuters.

so its shown she was a target because of her ties to .. wait for it.. HAMAS

should i point you into the direction of the "thanks to investment and support from abroad" and hint about the hamas/iran funding.. or can you for once look deeper for yourself and realise whom was paying her wages and supplying stuff in support of a certain regime

should i also go into the other details of that special report about how many actually died in a hospital on duty.. do i need to tell you where and why Al-Attar died
do i need to tell you what that 'special report' you yourself linked actually counted as the total amount of specialist doctors that died.. its far far less than 1400

[CalafioriRicardo]

Disgusting behaviour and 0 humanity from Netanyahus internet bot. What money does to some people is scary and crazy.

[paxmao]

But let's say I do not believe this source, after all has a "donate" button and says "Palestine" in the title.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/israel-palestinians-gaza-health/

Al-Attar, 39, was one of at least 490 Gazan healthcare workers killed since Israel swore to destroy Hamas in retaliation for its cross-border assault on Oct. 7, according to Gaza’s health ministry. She was a specialist doctor, one of a vanguard improving public health for Gaza’s fast-growing population before the war, whose deaths have done its health service grave harm.

screw it lets go down your rabbit hole.. lets delve deep into "al-Attar 39yo"

you atleast admit isreal swore to destroy HAMAS.. so you admit to now seeing a quote you sourced that calls for HAMAS destruction.. not palestinian genocide

anyway.. lets delve deeper into what you dont want to quote

Operating under an Israeli blockade after Hamas seized control in 2007, the health service in Gaza was fraught with difficulties, including deep-rooted factionalism over who ran Gaza and waves of conflict with Israel. But in some fields the health service had made advances, thanks to investment and support from abroad and the persistence of doctors like Al-Attar,
[..]
There is no independent mechanism to verify the Hamas-run government's data, which is recognized by the U.N. and used by international health agencies in the same way as government data from other countries
[..]
Specialist doctors like Al-Attar were part of a strategic effort by Hamas to build a self-sufficient health system for Gaza, from burn care to cancer diagnosis and kidney treatment, Gaza’s first health minister told Reuters.

so its shown she was a target because of her ties to .. wait for it.. HAMAS

should i point you into the direction of the "thanks to investment and support from abroad" and hint about the hamas/iran funding.. or can you for once look deeper for yourself and realise whom was paying her wages and supplying stuff in support of a certain regime

should i also go into the other details of that special report about how many actually died in a hospital on duty.. do i need to tell you where and why Al-Attar died
do i need to tell you what that 'special report' you yourself linked actually counted as the total amount of specialist doctors that died.. its far far less than 1400

The doctors were part of a deliberate effort from Hammas to cure people from cancer, burns and kidney disease? How they dare!!! (This is irony, I know you do not always get it).

I quoted two sources, one says around 1400, which could be true or not, but it is difficult to verify and it is partial.

Second source is much more credible and speaks of a bit under 500.

With this evidence, added to the now available in google maps "new pictures of the Gaza strip", added to reports that indicate the government of Israel decided to attack hospitals (for whatever reason), there is a drive to destroy any basic healthcare in the strip.

There is an Israeli agenda for deportation - imposed either by force or by making the habitat unliveable. If Hamas is there, well then perfect excuse. I base this in the fact that in the Netanyahu - Trump meeting it was explicitly mentioned as a "posibility" the mass relocation and there have been steps taken to have Egipt and some other Arab countries take the Palestinians. All this is well sourced and documented.

On the suspicion side, no proof but this is me not being blind...Do you still believe that the Mossad did not catch wind of Dec 7?

Well, you are free to believe (or promote) whatever, but the facts as they are now speak of war crimes and possibly genocide.