Children in Gaza are dying of starvations - faemine and starvation rampart

[franky1]

The doctors were part of a deliberate effort from Hammas to cure people from cancer, burns and kidney disease? How they dare!!! (This is irony, I know you do not always get it).

I quoted two sources, one says around 1400, which could be true or not, but it is difficult to verify and it is partial.

Second source is much more credible and speaks of a bit under 500.

With this evidence, added to the now available in google maps "new pictures of the Gaza strip", added to reports that indicate the government of Israel decided to attack hospitals (for whatever reason), there is a drive to destroy any basic healthcare in the strip.

There is an Israeli agenda for deportation - imposed either by force or by making the habitat unliveable. If Hamas is there, well then perfect excuse. I base this in the fact that in the Netanyahu - Trump meeting it was explicitly mentioned as a "posibility" the mass relocation and there have been steps taken to have Egipt and some other Arab countries take the Palestinians. All this is well sourced and documented.

On the suspicion side, no proof but this is me not being blind...Do you still believe that the Mossad did not catch wind of Dec 7?

Well, you are free to believe (or promote) whatever, but the facts as they are now speak of war crimes and possibly genocide.

the doctor in question is not just a doctor. she was pro-hamas. she had other things going on than just being a doctor. you trying to say the agenda was just to cure cancer, burns and kidney disease, is you obviously being ignorant to the other stuff..

also with hamas using civilian infrustructure as their hiding spots, it ends up turning civilian area's into war targets. again you are ignoring details of how by hamas abusing civilians ends up affecting civilians.. if hamas just stayed in actual military bases and locations away from civilians then the civilians and civilian infrustructure would not be swept into the chaos

as for you trying again to pretend deportation as being genocide is a massive mistake on your part of how silly you make things sound
but atleast i can see you prefer palestinians to live in tents within war target zones. where hamas booby-trap the land..

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and just like russia does not need to feed, clothe, house ukrainians
and just like pakistan vs india dont need to feed clothe or house each other when they battle

isreal is feeding palestinians, isreal is trying to get palestinians to join some peace accords. isreal is offering ways for people to find sanctuary in other area's
but paxmao will call all of that genocide
paxmao will also avoid ignore and evade ever talking about the actions of hamas, espcially in regards to what hamas is doing with food storage and hospitals

[Shishir99]

Crap

Hello Dick head with a dildo in ass,

Do you ever care to submit any proof/source of your claim?
I don't understand why you care about writing on this forum.
Nobody sees what you write. Nobody cares about your biased wall of text.
Just fuck yourself, stay out of this section.

It is ridiculous how you try to justify the mass killing of the IDF.
The world isn't blind. The would will be a good place without people like you.

[franky1]

aww poor little man thinking if you cry/insult me enough ill start spoonfeeding you
this must explain your whole childhood.. cry until someone else takes care of you

you know you too can google the stuff i say and find the source.. and by doing it that way you can independently verify it and realise for yourself that you found out the info without needing me to provide every ounce of info.... its a good way for you to learn for yourself by yourself. try it

then you dont have to blindly believe me because you found it out yourself

also you are right, this is a forum, its not some whitepaper/dissertation for some university degree homework..
i do not have to cite sources for every sentence i write.. but you can google it if you are not sure..

if you truly want to know the facts you can easily google it and check out what i said comes from lots of sources

..
i know i know you want me to just spoonfeed you the answers
i know i know you just want to then say 'its wrong because franky said a source and i dont beleive the source'(endless ignorance)
i know i know you just want to then say 'its wrong because franky said a source maybe franky works for said source'(endless ignorance)
i know i know you just want to then say 'its wrong because franky said a source and so now i must avoid believing the source'(endless ignorance)

if you want to avoid research and instead cry on a forum that someone didnt just hand you the answer... thats on you

but if you truly want to learn, truly want to be informed. then simply research whats said to verify it for yourself. independently
.. i think many idiots in this forum crying to be spoon fed, have totally forgot the whole point of even bitcoins success.. independent verification of data

one day you might grow up and realise there is a massive difference between palestinians and hamas..
and when you can separate them as 2 separate entities and understand the differences.. you can then articulate and research more about whats actually happening in gaza.
and then you can see the difference between:
isreal fighting hamas whilst sending aid in for palestinians
isreal fighting hamas whilst wanting peace with palestinians

isreal trying all it can to avoid aid reaching hamas,
isreal still trying to get aid to the palestinians

hamas have food stores and reserves of the top quality food they stole.
but hamas are not sending it to hospitals or the sick/needy

hamas sell the food at 15x pre war prices
isreal send food and do not charge palestinians,

yep palestinians get free food from isreal but are charged heavily from hamas

then you will see the bigger picture outside the social media biased rhetoric you have become addicted to

you can easily research this stuff in seconds

im not trying to get you to blindly believe/trust me. im trying to get you to stick your own heads out of the sand and look for yourself. do your own research

[paxmao]

aww poor little man thinking if you cry/insult me enough ill start spoonfeeding you
this must explain your whole childhood.. cry until someone else takes care of you

you know you too can google the stuff i say and find the source.. and by doing it that way you can independently verify it and realise for yourself that you found out the info without needing me to provide every ounce of info.... its a good way for you to learn for yourself by yourself. try it

then you dont have to blindly believe me because you found it out yourself

also you are right, this is a forum, its not some whitepaper/dissertation for some university degree homework..
i do not have to cite sources for every sentence i write.. but you can google it if you are not sure..

if you truly want to know the facts you can easily google it and check out what i said comes from lots of sources

..
i know i know you want me to just spoonfeed you the answers
i know i know you just want to then say 'its wrong because franky said a source and i dont beleive the source'(endless ignorance)
i know i know you just want to then say 'its wrong because franky said a source maybe franky works for said source'(endless ignorance)
i know i know you just want to then say 'its wrong because franky said a source and so now i must avoid believing the source'(endless ignorance)

if you want to avoid research and instead cry on a forum that someone didnt just hand you the answer... thats on you

but if you truly want to learn, truly want to be informed. then simply research whats said to verify it for yourself. independently
.. i think many idiots in this forum crying to be spoon fed, have totally forgot the whole point of even bitcoins success.. independent verification of data

one day you might grow up and realise there is a massive difference between palestinians and hamas..
and when you can separate them as 2 separate entities and understand the differences.. you can then articulate and research more about whats actually happening in gaza.
and then you can see the difference between:
isreal fighting hamas whilst sending aid in for palestinians
isreal fighting hamas whilst wanting peace with palestinians

isreal trying all it can to avoid aid reaching hamas,
isreal still trying to get aid to the palestinians

hamas have food stores and reserves of the top quality food they stole.
but hamas are not sending it to hospitals or the sick/needy

hamas sell the food at 15x pre war prices
isreal send food and do not charge palestinians,

yep palestinians get free food from isreal but are charged heavily from hamas

then you will see the bigger picture outside the social media biased rhetoric you have become addicted to

you can easily research this stuff in seconds

im not trying to get you to blindly believe/trust me. im trying to get you to stick your own heads out of the sand and look for yourself. do your own research

The bigger picture?... sure, there you are...

[Shishir99]

Bullshit

I always wonder how this fucking1 escaped the mental hospital. You are an Israeli terrorist promoting the mass killing by the IDF. I see how pathetic you people are and how much you enjoy killing children.

Answer me one question: why IDF kill civilians while they wait for food on the food distribution side?

I know you cannot answer this because you are a terrorist yourself and enjoy killing people.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued multiple warrants for those involved in the ongoing Israel-Gaza war. This included warrants for the arrest of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his former defense minister Yoav Gallant and a Hamas official.

It is globally confirmed that He is a terrorist and whoever supports their mass killing is a terrorist themself.
So Mr Fucking1, you are a terrorist as well 

[Hispo]

Bullshit

I always wonder how this fucking1 escaped the mental hospital. You are an Israeli terrorist promoting the mass killing by the IDF. I see how pathetic you people are and how much you enjoy killing children.

Answer me one question: why IDF kill civilians while they wait for food on the food distribution side?

I know you cannot answer this because you are a terrorist yourself and enjoy killing people.

The International Criminal Court (ICC) issued multiple warrants for those involved in the ongoing Israel-Gaza war. This included warrants for the arrest of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his former defense minister Yoav Gallant and a Hamas official.

It is globally confirmed that He is a terrorist and whoever supports their mass killing is a terrorist themself.
So Mr Fucking1, you are a terrorist as well 

Though, the international criminal court has become rather a simbolic international body, their warrants against people in positions of power seem never to be effective. If I recall correctly, they had also issued an arrest warrant against Russian president Vladimir Putin and Putin has himself traveled to countries where the warrant was supposed drop be carried out, but local governments did not dare wto arrest him. it is about the same with Netanyahu. He knows he is out out prison and will continue to be out of prison as long as he hold to power very tightly, I doubt there will be lasting peace between Palestine and Israel as long as that man continues to be the leader of the state of Israel, not even mention the unconditional support the United States is willing to give to him.

[franky1]

look at the three idiots above.. idolising hamas, but not wanting to call out hamas's negatives, even avoiding naming hamas officials that are linked to war crimes

when you are a coward, idolising cowardly terrorists that want real world genocide.. but you play cowardly buzzword games of calling the opposite side genocidalists.. due to social media rhetoric.. then you have no hope of being the better person

yet, in the real world where people are not cowards:
even the arab world want hamas to lay down its weapons and stop causing so much chaos

and if you only want to trust "news week" as your source, fine ill spoonfeed you

The Arab world has condemned Hamas, telling the group to end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority.

Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Egypt joined 14 other countries in signing a declaration at a U.N. conference that condemned the Oct. 7 attacks on Israel and gave "unwavering support" to a two-state solution.

"In the context of ending the war in Gaza, Hamas must end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority," the declaration said. "In line with the objective of a sovereign and independent Palestinian State."
Why It Matters

The declaration marks the first condemnation of Hamas by Arab nations.

yet certain people in previous posts of this forum still show fake crocodile tears and are surprised when they see pictures of gaza and still show that they dont realise ITS A WARZONE

yes destruction happens.. because.. ITS A WARZONE
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but they keep failing to understand that.. ITS A WARZONE
they keep thinking a war should be fields of daisies and people frolicking around to the sound of music
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only when they can actually realise that events right now in the region are acts of war, can they look deeper at the details of who, what, why

instead they play these games of crocodile tears, empty buzzwords, pretending to care about civilians.. but thinking if anyone says anything against the hamas terrorists that want genocide(hamas slogan 'death to america death to isreal') then anyone opposing the hamas terrorist regime must themselves be the genocidal maniacs/terrorists

its like childish behaviour on school playgrounds "if your not friends with a bully then you must be a bully because you are not acting friendly"(facepalm)

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when you are ready to see who is trying to do peacedeals, who is trying to give aid, then you will see things a bit more clearly(isreeal)
when you are ready to see who cowardly hides in civilian places and incites violence to put civilians at risk. you might see clearly(hamas)
when you are ready to see who booby-traps civilian neighbourhood then you will see clearly(hamas)

hamas are cowardly terrorists, they are the ones putting more palestinians lives at risk.. hamas are the ones causing civilian area's to become war targets

when even hamas admit the death number as under 60k but hamas want to kill millions.. you got to admit to yourself who wants actual genocide

however for now idiots want hamas to continue using and abuse civilians as human shields and cannon fodder, the idiots dont talk about hamas negatively, they are not calling for hamas to leave civilian area's.. they dont call out on how hamas raids, ambushes, loot aid trucks and then hoard the aid to feed mostly just their troops

they dont want hamas to leave the civilian area's and only fight in the empty fields away from civilians. they love hamas's cowardly tactics

they are not calling out for hamas to lay down arms and pass gaza back to a peaceful palestinian government, to then agree to peace with isreal
they love how hamas declined the peacedeals offered

seeing how much they defend their hamas idols shows more about them than anything they can actually say with their crocodile tears
if they really cared about palestinians they would be calling out the negatives of hamas.. but just read their posts and see how lacking they are in mentioning hamas's effects in the war. look at how much they just use buzzwords of 'genocide' without realising who is providing the aid for free vs who is trying to abuse civilians by hoarding it or overpricing/charging (free) aid at illegal markets, causing the civilians to not have safe shelter, food, etc

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when you are ready to actually see who is trying to get food into gaza to the innocent palestinians for free.. vs who is trying their best to stop the food getting to the innocent palestinians.. maybe then you can wake up to reality

as for the idiots still reading pro-hamas social media crap pretending isreal want to kill everyone.. here s transcript and video from today from isreeals leaders own mouth

interviewer: "will isreal take full control of all of gaza"

netanyahu: "we intent to, to ensure our security.. remove hamas there to enable the population to be free in gaza.. and pass it to civilian governance that is not hamas and not anyone advocating the destruction of isreal. thats what we want to do, we want to liberate ourselves and liberate the people of gaza from the awful terror of hamas.
and you[interviewer] were in gaza strip today, you met palestinians who are fighting hamas, because finally they see they have a future, because they can finally  rid themselves of this awful tyranny that not only holds our(isreali) hostages but holds 2m palestinians as a hostage. thats got to end"

interviewer: "are you saying today that you will take control of the entire 26mile of gaza strip, as it was 20 years ago to this month in 2005"

netanyahu: "well we dont want to keep it, we want to have a security parimeter, we dont want to govern it, we dont want to be there as a governing body.. we want to hand it over to arab forces that will govern it properly, without threatening us and will give gazans a good life.. thats not possible with hamas.
the only way they can have a different future is to get rid of this neo-nazi army. the hamas are monsters, look at what they are doing to our people, look at what they do, the way they massacred, raped, beheaded our people, our men and women, burned our babies and they are really cruel to their own people, because when we try to take them(innocent palestinians) away from the combat zones, they(hamas) shoot them. they want people to be civilian casualties, they want a starvation policy that they themselves are trying to put into being, and we are trying everything to reverse that. they have to go.
i think president trump has said it, you have to see two things in gaza, you have to see hamas eliminated and you have to have the hostages released"

the pro-hamas idiots in previous posts will stupidly just want to snip a quote of

interviewer: "will isreal take full control of all of gaza"

netanyahu: "we intent to"

and avoid as much as possible to ever read, understand, or even admit to the whole message.. but again thats why they have earned being called idiots by me.

when they are ready to learn whats really said and in full context. maybe they can show they are not idiots by admitting the full context and details of whats actually going on and being said. and when they can admit that hamas is bad and needs to be removed. then the current idiots can redeem themselves

[paxmao]

[...]

yes destruction happens.. because.. ITS A WARZONE
..
but they keep failing to understand that.. ITS A WARZONE[...]

Ok, so Israel is at war with Hamas. If that is the case and Hamas decides then to put a bomb in the middle of Tel-Aviv, for example in a supermarket full of people or "better" in a nursery or a hospital... it is OK because "IT IS A WARZONE".

So it woul not be terrorism, because Israel is at war, so Tel Aviv IS A WARZONE. And if they send a hitman to kill Netanyahu is ok, because iI IS A WARZONE.

Or well... Iran seems to have some uranium. I guess hammas could then throw a dirty bomb in any Israeli city and it would not be terrorism nor a war crime nor genocide... because they are at war, so is a WARZONE.

You excuse is pathetic. Bombing of hospitals is a warcrime, torturing is a warcrime, starving and wanton destruction are warcrime. You are a hypocrite and I hope they pay you well.

[franky1]

[...]

yes destruction happens.. because.. ITS A WARZONE
..
but they keep failing to understand that.. ITS A WARZONE[...]

Ok, so Israel is at war with Hamas. If that is the case and Hamas decides then to put a bomb in the middle of Tel-Aviv, for example in a supermarket full of people or "better" in a nursery or a hospital... it is OK because "IT IS A WARZONE".

So it woul not be terrorism, because Israel is at war, so Tel Aviv IS A WARZONE. And if they send a hitman to kill Netanyahu is ok, because iI IS A WARZONE.

Or well... Iran seems to have some uranium. I guess hammas could then throw a dirty bomb in any Israeli city and it would not be terrorism nor a war crime nor genocide... because they are at war, so is a WARZONE.

You excuse is pathetic. Bombing of hospitals is a warcrime, torturing is a warcrime, starving and wanton destruction are warcrime. You are a hypocrite and I hope they pay you well.

you really are ignorant
learn something!!! just try

isreal do declarations of war. they announce when a new area is to become a target, they actually tell civilians of the risk and ask them to leave an area due to how hamas is cowardly using a certain area..
isreal try to minimise collateral damage aswell.

hamas/iran dont give warnings.. nor care to minimise collateral damage. hamas/iran want maximum civilian deaths
wake up and realise that hamas and iran have a slogan "death to isreal/death to america" iran want to re-ignite the persian empire to completely take over the middle east.
you keep pretending hamas/iran troops are peaceful people that would never do atrocities.. learn what they do and why they need to be dealt with

go research whats actually happening

take the quotes from netanyahu like this one.. and then research it to truly check the validity of the words said
https://youtu.be/4Yy3DsN-Z8A?t=715

look into the leaflet airdrops of warnings, the sms messages of warnings
if you dare to actually research it you will see many examples showing the leaflets, sms text messages, the declaration of war.. from multiple sources, whereby you dont have to trust one source/spoon to feed you the info



but i know already.. you will just say how the request of evacuations is "genocide" (facepalm)

also in this topic

it shows how the pro hamas propaganda (via THEIR pro hamas media and THEIR health ministry) showed kids like ones displayed in this topic as noted above

netanyahu addresses that too
https://youtu.be/4Yy3DsN-Z8A?t=1032

the kids had things like cerebral palsy and cystic fibrosis which made them look frail. and yes you can research it and realise media made retractions and edits to the story when the truth came out

heck even the "big picture" has been addressed

The bigger picture?... sure, there you are...

https://youtu.be/4Yy3DsN-Z8A?t=1265
note the words that the area already had been evacuated and hamas layed booby-traps
realise how the area needed to be cleared to ensure all the IED's(booby-traps) are dealt with before any development/construction can even try to begin

also worth noting. hamas are not in the business of conserving land/rebuilding.

and no im not requesting or suggesting to just note some words to just blindly trust.. im asking you to note the words to then research

your not suppose to just take a spoonfeed and blindly trust noteworthy words made by anyone.. your suppose to research it for yourself to verify claims

[paxmao]

[...]

yes destruction happens.. because.. ITS A WARZONE
..
but they keep failing to understand that.. ITS A WARZONE[...]

Ok, so Israel is at war with Hamas. If that is the case and Hamas decides then to put a bomb in the middle of Tel-Aviv, for example in a supermarket full of people or "better" in a nursery or a hospital... it is OK because "IT IS A WARZONE".

So it woul not be terrorism, because Israel is at war, so Tel Aviv IS A WARZONE. And if they send a hitman to kill Netanyahu is ok, because iI IS A WARZONE.

Or well... Iran seems to have some uranium. I guess hammas could then throw a dirty bomb in any Israeli city and it would not be terrorism nor a war crime nor genocide... because they are at war, so is a WARZONE.

You excuse is pathetic. Bombing of hospitals is a warcrime, torturing is a warcrime, starving and wanton destruction are warcrime. You are a hypocrite and I hope they pay you well.

you really are ignorant
learn something!!! just try

We have already gone over this. Your claim of superior knowledge has been proven wrong over and over. It is getting boring.

isreal do declarations of war. they announce when a new area is to become a target, they actually tell civilians of the risk and ask them to leave an area due to how hamas is cowardly using a certain area..
isreal try to minimise collateral damage aswell.

You can declare or not declare - there is a war ongoing and every time an Israeli settler takes over land from a Palestinian is war. The war is now permanent, it does not stop when Israel wants and it is largely irrelevant if (according to you, but not really believable) you warn or not of a strike.

I am saying it is unbelievable because if the objective is to hit terrorist the warning would basically allow them to flee.

At this point it is you and your own theory that justifies whatever those terrorist do "because it is a WARZONE" (c) by Franky 2025

hamas/iran dont give warnings.. nor care to minimise collateral damage. hamas/iran want maximum civilian deaths
wake up and realise that hamas and iran have a slogan "death to isreal/death to america" iran want to re-ignite the persian empire to completely take over the middle east.
you keep pretending hamas/iran troops are peaceful people that would never do atrocities.. learn what they do and why they need to be dealt with

go research whats actually happening

All this is made up. I never said that. You are again hallucinating.

take the quotes from netanyahu like this one.. and then research it to truly check the validity of the words said
https://youtu.be/4Yy3DsN-Z8A?t=715

look into the leaflet airdrops of warnings, the sms messages of warnings
if you dare to actually research it you will see many examples showing the leaflets, sms text messages, the declaration of war.. from multiple sources, whereby you dont have to trust one source/spoon to feed you the info



but i know already.. you will just say how the request of evacuations is "genocide" (facepalm)

To systematically destroy the living conditions of two million people is.

For example, I call you and tell you to leave you home because I am going to bomb it. You leave and I bomb it.

According to you this is absolutely fine.

also in this topic

it shows how the pro hamas propaganda (via THEIR pro hamas media and THEIR health ministry) showed kids like ones displayed in this topic as noted above

I can see google maps, they have updated the strip pictures. I do not think that is fake and it certainly looks like a systematic destruction of the homes and means of live of ordinary people.

I have not posted any of those images. Again, you are responding to someone else.

Regarding Israel's intentions...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmLsczKmlCU

The United Nations have condemned Israel’s plans to take control of Gaza, saying it will cause more suffering and atrocities. Meanwhile Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has denied his government will permanently occupy the Strip.

My take: they are going to stay for a while and they are not there to help Palestinians.

netanyahu addresses that too
https://youtu.be/4Yy3DsN-Z8A?t=1032

the kids had things like cerebral palsy and cystic fibrosis which made them look frail. and yes you can research it and realise media made retractions and edits to the story when the truth came out

heck even the "big picture" has been addressed

The bigger picture?... sure, there you are...

https://youtu.be/4Yy3DsN-Z8A?t=1265
note the words that the area already had been evacuated and hamas layed booby-traps
realise how the area needed to be cleared to ensure all the IED's(booby-traps) are dealt with before any development/construction can even try to begin

also worth noting. hamas are not in the business of conserving land/rebuilding.

and no im not requesting or suggesting to just note some words to just blindly trust.. im asking you to note the words to then research

your not suppose to just take a spoonfeed and blindly trust noteworthy words made by anyone.. your suppose to research it for yourself to verify claims

Again, go to Google maps. It is much difficult to bullshit people when you can be seen from above.

[franky1]

ok your still playing the ignorant sod card. asking to just look at a picture and where you are not trying to understand the context

like the way you completely dismissed this topic, such as the pictures of the kids('i didnt post those pics so..' blah), the ones with cerebral palsy and other illnesses which yes do require special diet's, but the kids would still look frail even eating the best diet in the world.. because.. they have other illnesses unrelated to "starvation"

even the numbers which even hamas backed ministry of health reveal, the number of kids that died 'through starvation' was not thousands not even a plural of hundreds.. but less than 100 and like i said other mitigating factors are also co-morbidities in regards to that number

just run the math
a child that has actually starved would die within 30 days without food. thats just biological fact of life
so with this war going on for 2 years, if this was genocide everyone would be dead by now.

but instead, even by hamas's exaggerated numbers(including kids with co-comorbidities) the number is less than 2 a week
EG if there are 1m kids in gaza the number of deaths would be 1m by now.. where it would be 10,000 a week
...

as for your new propaganda about the destroyed area's.. again you are ignorantly dismissing the context.
hamas use palestinians as human shields.. they hide in civilian area's

its not a case of just have isreal ask civilians to temporarily leave home, isreal walk in on foot, shoot a couple hamas troops using only ar-15's and then let the population come back to a untouched complete home
its a case that hamas build tunnels, hamas boobytrap homes. theres lots more going on then you think

emphasis:
hamas makes the entire area become unsafe even for palestinians. palestinians couldnt even come back even if isreal only used ar-15's on hamas troops.. because theres alot of hidden stuff in these homes, which hamas caused

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if isreal, after dealing with hamas went around to every home to manually locate all the IED's, destroy all tunnels, this alone would cause alot of issues, because IED's do what IED's do best, they go boom. and yes hamas want them to go boom if isreali troops walk into an area
it would take YEARS to manually make the area safe again

i know you have the ideological thinking that isreal could just walk into a warzone use guns to shoot hamas and everything is back to normal with no building harmed. but you have no clue whats actually going on.

please do some research. i wont spoonfeed it to you, i want to see you use your brain for working it out for yourself instead of just repeating pro-hamas propaganda

[Shova]

Sadly no one cares about them. Seems like the world is happy that there would be less people to feed.
Poor kids, born at wrong place in wrong time.

[DaRude]

Australia will recognize a Palestinian state, Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said Monday, joining the leaders of France, Britain and Canada in signaling they would do so.

Israel's ambassador to Australia accused Canberra of rewarding terrorism after Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said his country would formally recognize a Palestinian state in September.

It's almost like the whole world doesn't believe franky1's stories and that putting happy faces on bullets before shooting them at civilians should make a difference. franky1 did you not tell Australia your stories of how that Israel gives warnings before shooting at civilians, it's like as if they just don't care  

[franky1]

It's almost like the whole world doesn't believe franky1's stories and that putting happy faces on bullets before shooting them at civilians should make a difference.

and what state.. definitely not everything "from the river to the sea"
its actually recognising gaza...

now if you put some reading glasses on i have said in this topic many times and others that gaza has ancestral history of philistinia and the philistines, which is linked to modern palestinians

so this recognising a(singular) palestinian state is not controversial to my opinions, its infact backing them up
also DaRule is the one that thinks that isreal want to kill all the palestinians so its DaRule that is having imaginary dreams about putting happy faces on bullets and intentionally targetting palestinians

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its also worth Rarule spending a bit of time to learn the terms of a deal to recognise gaza as a palestinian state. whereby hamas would lay down arms and relinquish control back to a palestinian party

In doing so, the world is seizing the opportunity of major new commitments from the Palestinian Authority, including to reform governance, terminate prisoner payments, institute schooling reform, demilitarise and hold general elections. The Palestinian Authority has also restated its recognition of Israel's right to exist. The President of the Palestinian Authority has reaffirmed these commitments directly to the Australian Government.

Australia’s position is predicated on the commitments we have received from the Palestinian Authority. We will continue to work with the international community to hold the Palestinian Authority to its commitments and to encourage normalised relations between Israel and its neighbours.

The commitments by the Palestinian Authority are strengthened by the Arab League’s unprecedented demand for the terrorist organisation Hamas to end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons.

Together these factors mean that this is the best opportunity Australia may ever have to support moderate voices for peace in the region, to undermine extremism and to further isolate Hamas. This is the movement to which Australia and so many countries are seeking to add momentum.

Hamas continues to damage the prospects of a two-state solution and rejects Israel’s right to exist. Hamas must release the hostages cruelly taken on October 7, 2023 immediately, unconditionally and with dignity. The Australian Government has consistently made clear there can be no role for Hamas in a Palestinian state.

even netanyahu does not want to own or control gaza, it just wants to get rid of hamas control and pass gaza to a palestinain authority that wants peace with isreal.. so this does not even go against anything netanyahu said

[DaRude]

It's almost like the whole world doesn't believe franky1's stories and that putting happy faces on bullets before shooting them at civilians should make a difference.

and what state.. definitely not everything "from the river to the sea"
its actually recognising gaza...

now if you put some reading glasses on i have said in this topic many times and others that gaza has ancestral history of philistinia and the philistines, which is linked to modern palestinians

so this recognising a(singular) palestinian state is not controversial to my opinions, its infact backing them up
also DaRule is the one that thinks that isreal want to kill all the palestinians so its DaRule that is having imaginary dreams about putting happy faces on bullets and intentionally targetting palestinians

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its also worth Rarule spending a bit of time to learn the terms of a deal to recognise gaza as a palestinian state. whereby hamas would lay down arms and relinquish control back to a palestinian party

In doing so, the world is seizing the opportunity of major new commitments from the Palestinian Authority, including to reform governance, terminate prisoner payments, institute schooling reform, demilitarise and hold general elections. The Palestinian Authority has also restated its recognition of Israel's right to exist. The President of the Palestinian Authority has reaffirmed these commitments directly to the Australian Government.

Australia’s position is predicated on the commitments we have received from the Palestinian Authority. We will continue to work with the international community to hold the Palestinian Authority to its commitments and to encourage normalised relations between Israel and its neighbours.

The commitments by the Palestinian Authority are strengthened by the Arab League’s unprecedented demand for the terrorist organisation Hamas to end its rule in Gaza and hand over its weapons.

Together these factors mean that this is the best opportunity Australia may ever have to support moderate voices for peace in the region, to undermine extremism and to further isolate Hamas. This is the movement to which Australia and so many countries are seeking to add momentum.

Hamas continues to damage the prospects of a two-state solution and rejects Israel’s right to exist. Hamas must release the hostages cruelly taken on October 7, 2023 immediately, unconditionally and with dignity. The Australian Government has consistently made clear there can be no role for Hamas in a Palestinian state.

even netanyahu does not want to own or control gaza, it just wants to get rid of hamas control and pass gaza to a palestinain authority that wants peace with isreal.. so this does not even go against anything netanyahu said

Right, i forgot it's not Israels intention to shoot at innocent civilians it just somehow happens that women and children represent over 50% of Israeli kills, and that's what you believe matters the most.

Ahh great, looks like you're on board with this! Can we hear you calling for more countries to recognize a Palestinian state? Can you state that Trump should recognize Palestinian state too?

[franky1]

Right, i forgot it's not Israels intention to shoot at innocent civilians it just somehow happens that women and children represent over 50% of Israeli kills, and that's what you believe matters the most.

Ahh great, looks like you're on board with this! Can we hear you calling for more countries to recognize a Palestinian state? Can you state that Trump should recognize Palestinian state too?

do you want hamas to continue to use palestinians as human shields?
next, your view of a palestinian state.. is that with or without hamas control?


isreal have tried its upmost to warn palestinians when an area has become a festering petry dish of hamas control. where by hamas have built tunnels into peoples homes, into school and hospitals causing them to become hamas military strongholds and thus end up needing to be dealt with

hamas have laid IED booby-traps in civilian area's demanded civilians to not move to safer area's and actually shot some that do move

each of the hamas troops and leaders ensure they are surrounded by neighbours, friends and family and hope that this human shield would stop them from being hit. but ends up with hamas causing others to become collateral damage

as for your blind view where you think isreal are jsut random fire killing palestinians
if you were to identify each civilian killed and check out details about the cause and surroundings of their death, you will find that majority are:
1. a friend, neighbour, prisoner or family member of hamas..
2. killed during a ambush of aid trucks enroute to distribution sites
3. would have lived if hamas were not involved

learn that things are more complex than you have been fed by pro-hamas clickbait propaganda
..
try to avoid just reading pro-hamas propaganda, and instead open your mind to the wider view, where you can gain more intelligence about whats going on by reading and researching from a wider pool of sources, from different sides

even multiple arabian sources are publicly showing things that are anti-hamas. so instead of taking just a white brit colony news piece or a pro hamas source for their words, try looking deeper at multiple different sources and build the more accurate picture from intel from all sides and all races, religions.  that way you dont get a narrow minded limited bias view of things

so do some research learn more about the hamas actions... and then reply by answering these two questions

your view of a palestinian state.. is that with or without hamas control?
next do you want hamas to continue to use palestinians as human shields?

[paxmao]

It's almost like the whole world doesn't believe franky1's stories and that putting happy faces on bullets before shooting them at civilians should make a difference.

and what state.. definitely not everything "from the river to the sea"
its actually recognising gaza...

now if you put some reading glasses on i have said in this topic many times and others that gaza has ancestral history of philistinia and the philistines, which is linked to modern palestinians

so this recognising a(singular) palestinian state is not controversial to my opinions, its infact backing them up
also DaRule is the one that thinks that isreal want to kill all the palestinians so its DaRule that is having imaginary dreams about putting happy faces on bullets and intentionally targetting palestinians
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Franky, at this point you are probably the only one that thinks that Israel does not want to eliminate or forcibly displace into obvlivion as many Palestinians as posible from the strip. To be honest, I do not think you believe half of what you write in here.

Of the ways the current Israeli government could have choosen to fight Hamas, they have used the one that is most punitive to the people who are not Hamas and do not have nor want anything to do with terrorism.

[franky1]

Franky, at this point you are probably the only one that thinks that Israel does not want to eliminate or forcibly displace into obvlivion as many Palestinians as posible from the strip. To be honest, I do not think you believe half of what you write in here.

Of the ways the current Israeli government could have chosen to fight Hamas, they have used the one that is most punitive to the people who are not Hamas and do not have nor want anything to do with terrorism.

after 2 years.. if "genocide" was the plan.. then everyone would have been dead by now
after all people can die of starvation in weeks. yet years later, less than 100 kids have been declared dead due to malnutrition, and when you dig deeper the reason for malnutrition was they had other co-morbidities that made maintaining sustenance a problem
and if you looked beyond the clickbait propaganda media. even hamas's own health minister has released info about how small in comparison to whole population. the death rate of actual starvation is

isreal have airdropped more food than the country requires.
isreal have pre-warned area's to evacuate due to HAMAS festering cowardly amongst the innocent

isreal have no lawful duty to supply gaza with aid. and infact the UN and hamas have both admitted they dont want isreal/us/egypt/others sending in aid. they want hamas to be sole controller of the aid from the UN within gaza borders.. and yet isreal still send in aid.. even when ambushed 85% of the time
isreal even try more expensive airdrop's to give FREE aid to palestinians

you are the one thats ignorant and unwilling to learn whats actually going on..
you have had plenty of time and opportunities to learn and educate yourself, so you have no excuses left for the reasons of your ignorance

[DaRude]

Right, i forgot it's not Israels intention to shoot at innocent civilians it just somehow happens that women and children represent over 50% of Israeli kills, and that's what you believe matters the most.

Ahh great, looks like you're on board with this! Can we hear you calling for more countries to recognize a Palestinian state? Can you state that Trump should recognize Palestinian state too?

do you want hamas to continue to use palestinians as human shields?
next, your view of a palestinian state.. is that with or without hamas control?


isreal have tried its upmost to warn palestinians when an area has become a festering petry dish of hamas control. where by hamas have built tunnels into peoples homes, into school and hospitals causing them to become hamas military strongholds and thus end up needing to be dealt with

hamas have laid IED booby-traps in civilian area's demanded civilians to not move to safer area's and actually shot some that do move

each of the hamas troops and leaders ensure they are surrounded by neighbours, friends and family and hope that this human shield would stop them from being hit. but ends up with hamas causing others to become collateral damage

as for your blind view where you think isreal are jsut random fire killing palestinians
if you were to identify each civilian killed and check out details about the cause and surroundings of their death, you will find that majority are:
1. a friend, neighbour, prisoner or family member of hamas..
2. killed during a ambush of aid trucks enroute to distribution sites
3. would have lived if hamas were not involved

learn that things are more complex than you have been fed by pro-hamas clickbait propaganda
..
try to avoid just reading pro-hamas propaganda, and instead open your mind to the wider view, where you can gain more intelligence about whats going on by reading and researching from a wider pool of sources, from different sides

even multiple arabian sources are publicly showing things that are anti-hamas. so instead of taking just a white brit colony news piece or a pro hamas source for their words, try looking deeper at multiple different sources and build the more accurate picture from intel from all sides and all races, religions.  that way you dont get a narrow minded limited bias view of things

so do some research learn more about the hamas actions... and then reply by answering these two questions

your view of a palestinian state.. is that with or without hamas control?
next do you want hamas to continue to use palestinians as human shields?

But you still support other states recognizing a Palestinian state in UN this September, correct?

We can't win without fighting but we also cannot kill or capture our way to victory. Moreover, if we kill civilians or damage their property in the course of our operations, we will create more enemies than our operations, we will create more enemies than our operations eliminate. -American commander of NATO and U.S. forces in Afghanistan General Petraeus

Believe we all know what happened to Americans in Afghanistan.

How many Hamas members Israel has eliminated and how many new Hamas members Israel has created by having collateral damage over 50% during a military operation? Do you think whatever portion of population in Gaza that was neutral to Israel before the war started is still neutral? Call it Hamas, rebrand it to something else, if given a choice people who saw every 30th person murdered (3% of Gaza so far) will not elect to be friends with Israel. Children that survived famine, saw their innocent family members, relatives, friends murdered will only want one thing if they're allowed to grow up. Bibi has pushed Israel into a corner, and now he's screwed because the world won't allow him to do what he wants to do to finish this. Instead Israel now has even more enemies

[DaRude]

...isreal have no lawful duty to supply gaza with aid....

Right i forgot, so the whole world has obligations under international law, specifically 4th GENEVA CONVENTION, to provide aid and assistance to civilians in the territory it occupies, but apparently Israel is special and is the only one that can starve and bring famine to territories it occupies. It's a total mystery why don't more people sympathize with Israel. I'm sure the children in Gaza that manage to survive this, will love Israel, and would totally not want to join some organization to fight against Israel, guaranteeing endless supply of enemies for Israel. Or is this Bini's plan from the start?

ART. 55. — To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the
Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring the food and medical
supplies of the population; it should, in particular, bring in the
necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the
resources of the occupied territory are inadequate....
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ART. 56. — To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the
Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring and maintaining, with
the co-operation of national and local authorities, the medical and
hospital establishments and services, public health and hygiene in
the occupied territory, with particular reference to the adoption and
application of the prophylactic and preventive measures necessary
to combat the spread of contagious diseases and epidemics. Medical
personnel of all categories shall be allowed to carry out their duties.
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