Children in Gaza are dying of starvations - faemine and starvation rampart

[franky1]

...isreal have no lawful duty to supply gaza with aid....

Right i forgot, so the whole world has obligations under international law, specifically 4th GENEVA CONVENTION, to provide aid and assistance to civilians in the territory it occupies, but apparently Israel is special and is the only one that can starve and bring famine to territories it occupies. It's a total mystery why don't more people sympathize with Israel. I'm sure the children in Gaza that manage to survive this, will love Israel, and would totally not want to join some organization to fight against Israel, guaranteeing endless supply of enemies for Israel. Or is this Bini's plan from the start?

ART. 55. — To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the
Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring the food and medical
supplies of the population; it should, in particular, bring in the
necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the
resources of the occupied territory are inadequate....

yep occupying POWER.. yep hamas.. yep hamas should be feeding palestinians..
hamas are the occupying power, they are in control and responsible for lots of things including humanitarian aid


like i said the UN dont want isreal handling the food aid, the UN want to dump food at the border and have hamas take it inwards

now look into what hamas is really doing

are you getting it yet!? are you understanding the reality yet

[DaRude]

...isreal have no lawful duty to supply gaza with aid....

Right i forgot, so the whole world has obligations under international law, specifically 4th GENEVA CONVENTION, to provide aid and assistance to civilians in the territory it occupies, but apparently Israel is special and is the only one that can starve and bring famine to territories it occupies. It's a total mystery why don't more people sympathize with Israel. I'm sure the children in Gaza that manage to survive this, will love Israel, and would totally not want to join some organization to fight against Israel, guaranteeing endless supply of enemies for Israel. Or is this Bini's plan from the start?

ART. 55. — To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the
Occupying Power has the duty of ensuring the food and medical
supplies of the population; it should, in particular, bring in the
necessary foodstuffs, medical stores and other articles if the
resources of the occupied territory are inadequate....

yep occupying POWER.. yep hamas.. yep hamas should be feeding palestinians..
hamas are the occupying power, they are in control and responsible for lots of things including humanitarian aid


like i said the UN dont want isreal handling the food aid, the UN want to dump food at the border and have hamas take it inwards

now look into what hamas is really doing

are you getting it yet!? are you understanding the reality yet

Ah i think I'm starting to see, so just as with killing of civilians where Israel just has to claim that it's not their intent and that covers them to kill as many children as they want, and now if Israel doesn't want to follow the rules of Geneva convention at all, all it has to do is just claim that it's not even the occupying power in Gaza? Makes total sense

Under international humanitarian law (IHL), there is occupation when a state exercises an unconsented-to effective control over a territory to which it has no sovereign title. Article 42 of The Hague Regulations of 1907 defines occupation as follows: "Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised."

Ugh that Geneva convention again, how inconvenient for Israel  

I must say you're doing a terrible job pushing propaganda for Israel. Watching you swivel and push yourself into a corner by attempt to justify that "isreal have no lawful duty to supply gaza with aid" just gets you more enemies. Bad move, should've just stuck with your other lie of how Israel is providing too much food to Gaza, there's at least a chance that an ignorant person might believe that. One would need a lobotomy to believe that Israel is not occupying force in Gaza.

Still no comment about how many new Hamas supporters Israel created vs how many they killed?

And after getting yourself in yet another corner, you're now just unable to answer if you support more governments recognizing Palestinian state at the UN in September?

[franky1]

isreal do not control gaza
hamas does
hamas is the occupying power
hamas is the one which according to IHL

Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised

its upto hamas to maintain the public services such as hospitals and schools and bus services and everything a public authority has
its upto hamas

isreal is not the control authority

do you get it now

isreal as a neighbouring country does not need to run gaza schools, utilities, public services and such
but isreal is without legally needing to, isreal do warn palestinians when an area is being a warzone to give people time to move to safety. hamas when they abuse palestinians by using their homes schools and hospitals as military strongholds do not give the palestinian population the same choose, nor alert. infact hamas demand palestinians dont move
hamas dont give out the aid received to the people for free, hamas send the best food to its troops as bribes/salary to join/continue the fight. and then sell the rest at illegal markets

learn this stuff

isreal did not take over gaza public authority.. hamas did
isreal dont want to control/take over the public authority. isreal just dont want hamas in control
isreal and palestinians want to reform government and put in place a peaceful palestinian party whom recognise each other and want peace

now that you are learning about geneva convention and international humanitarian law.. put that info against hamas's actions

hamas consider themselves as the occupying power, which they ABUSE to take control of state infrastructure such as school/hospitals to then use for their military hiding places. they use the occupying power 'rights' to control justice/disorder as their excuse to execute palestinians without their acts being described as a war crime and instead local civil/criminal justice

yep when hamas steal the aid from incoming aid trucks they deem it theirs. they hoard it and if any palestinians try to take food from the hamas storage yards hamas treat the hungry palestinains as looters and execute them
yep the aid was supose to be for the palestinians not hamas, but hamas abuse the occupying power laws to take control, and use the laws to then execute palestinians who want food that was suppose to be given to them for free..

why are you afraid to look into hamas's actions
hamas are not a bunch of peaceful politicians, they are not a group that have palestinians safety at heart, they do not want civilian public services, civilian infrastructure to remain in civilian hands

as for the collateral damage, which you infer can turn extended families into extremists and join hamas
majority of the people hit when hamas is targeted, are majority families of hamas troops and affiliates. so they already were leaning, indoctrinated, familial linked to hamas
take even the so called citizen journalists that al jazeera are playing violins about this week. they too have hamas affiliation already. they were not just innocent palestinians whom just happen to have special access to active war zones and just happen to have the camera ready at the right time

when you learn the hamas troops/leaders targetted had families hit due to them standing by their man..the collateral damage of true innocent unaffiliated people is actually super low. thus chances of absolute innocent bystanders being collateral damage is low and the chance of the extended families whom grieve the loss turning extremist is low

you keep thinking isreal is just random shooting absolute innocent palestinians en-masse, reality is the collateral damage is limited to close family and friends of hamas troops/leaders.. those already affiliated to side and want to be around hamas before any attack

[DaRude]

isreal do not control gaza
hamas does
hamas is the occupying power
hamas is the one which according to IHL

Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised

its upto hamas to maintain the public services such as hospitals and schools and bus services and everything a public authority has
its upto hamas

isreal is not the control authority

do you get it now

isreal as a neighbouring country does not need to run gaza schools, utilities, public services and such
but isreal is without legally needing to, isreal do warn palestinians when an area is being a warzone to give people time to move to safety. hamas when they abuse palestinians by using their homes schools and hospitals as military strongholds do not give the palestinian population the same choose, nor alert. infact hamas demand palestinians dont move
hamas dont give out the aid received to the people for free, hamas send the best food to its troops as bribes/salary to join/continue the fight. and then sell the rest at illegal markets

learn this stuff

isreal did not take over gaza public authority.. hamas did
isreal dont want to control/take over the public authority. isreal just dont want hamas in control
isreal and palestinians want to reform government and put in place a peaceful palestinian party whom recognise each other and want peace

now that you are learning about geneva convention and international humanitarian law.. put that info against hamas's actions

hamas consider themselves as the occupying power, which they ABUSE to take control of state infrastructure such as school/hospitals to then use for their military hiding places. they use the occupying power 'rights' to control justice/disorder as their excuse to execute palestinians without their acts being described as a war crime and instead local civil/criminal justice

yep when hamas steal the aid from incoming aid trucks they deem it theirs. they hoard it and if any palestinians try to take food from the hamas storage yards hamas treat the hungry palestinains as looters and execute them
yep the aid was supose to be for the palestinians not hamas, but hamas abuse the occupying power laws to take control, and use the laws to then execute palestinians who want food that was suppose to be given to them for free..

why are you afraid to look into hamas's actions
hamas are not a bunch of peaceful politicians, they are not a group that have palestinians safety at heart, they do not want civilian public services, civilian infrastructure to remain in civilian hands

as for the collateral damage, which you infer can turn extended families into extremists and join hamas
majority of the people hit when hamas is targeted, are majority families of hamas troops and affiliates. so they already were leaning, indoctrinated, familial linked to hamas
take even the so called citizen journalists that al jazeera are playing violins about this week. they too have hamas affiliation already. they were not just innocent palestinians whom just happen to have special access to active war zones and just happen to have the camera ready at the right time

when you learn the hamas troops/leaders targetted had families hit due to them standing by their man..the collateral damage of true innocent unaffiliated people is actually super low. thus chances of absolute innocent bystanders being collateral damage is low and the chance of the extended families whom grieve the loss turning extremist is low

you keep thinking isreal is just random shooting absolute innocent palestinians en-masse, reality is the collateral damage is limited to close family and friends of hamas troops/leaders.. those already affiliated to side and want to be around hamas before any attack

Wow  So in your mind Israel can put a territory under total blockade, use its military to stop all incoming food and water, even prevent UN and red cross from bringing food and medicine into the territory, and then claim that it has no lawful duty to supply said territory with aid, did i understand that correctly? Following your logic to it's conclusion, you believe that until Gaza fully capitulates Israel has a right to starve them all to death, and that will be totally "legal"? What great interpretations for any madman that wants to starve a lot of people. You should collect them all together and put them in the book titled, "How to justify famine and murdering civilians for psychopaths".

Yes i cannot think of a better way for Israel to get peaceful Palestinians. I bet right after burying their mothers and watching their sisters starve to death, every Palestinian kid would want nothing more than to express his love for Israel! Solid logic, everyone believes that right?

If Hamas is the occupying power, can you please educate us on who's the de jure and de facto government in Gaza? Something telling me that you won't answer this one as well.

"aid was supose to be for the palestinians not hamas" Can you entertain us on how distributors of aid should differentiate between Hamas and Palestinians? If Hamas are not Palestinians what ethnic group are they? Great attempt at justification to keep region in famine.

Like i said many times i believe that Hamas committed acts of terrorism, i also believe that Israel is currently committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. Both are terrible, but Israel is operating on a completely different level/scale, and is sponsored by the US/EU, making a public mockery for the rule of law and setting a terrible precedent. Look China you can blockade Taiwan and let them all starve to death and US/EU will think it's totally fine/legal.

Ohh wow, so now we're separating civilians, women and children into "true innocent unaffiliated people" and not so trully innocent civilians? Should Israel identify "absolute innocent bystanders" by measuring their skulls? Goebbels would definitely be proud of you! Since you're so well versed into such statistics would you mind entertaining us on how many "true innocent unaffiliated people" are left in Gaza as a percent of total population? Or you can just claim that they all don't pass your made up civilian purity test, thus becoming somehow less of civilians? But once again something telling me that you won't answer this simply question either.

Still no comment about how many new Hamas supporters Israel created vs how many they killed?

And after getting yourself in yet another corner, you're now just unable to answer if you support more governments recognizing Palestinian state at the UN in September?

[franky1]

Wow  So in your mind Israel can put a territory under total blockade,

every country has borders and the designated customs/border crossings

use its military to stop all incoming food and water, even prevent UN and red cross from bringing food and medicine into the territory, and then claim that it has no lawful duty to supply said territory with aid,

every country has border checks. isreal have not stooped other countries. they just customs check the supplies dont have weapons/banned thing smuggled in.. UN could deliver checked goods into gaza but no UN dont want to step foot into gaza, they want hamas to control aid within the border.. but hamas are too cowardly to come to the border, so UN aid just stays at the border. the UN dont want other aid agencies handling UN aid either
the UN doesnt want isreal or ghf doing sparate food aid, but isreal/ghf still do even when legally they dont have to and warned by UN not to

did i understand that correctly? Following your logic to it's conclusion, you believe that until Gaza fully capitulates Israel has a right to starve them all to death, and that will be totally "legal"? What great interpretations for any madman that wants to starve a lot of people. You should collect them all together and put them in the book titled, "How to justify famine and murdering civilians for psychopaths".

you really are deluded.. UN/hamas do not want lots of random countries helping out.. the UN say only hamas should be handling the aid within gaza
eqypt stopped helping directly as it would escalate them into the war, after all egypt owned gaza for a long time in history, so do not want a repeat

hack we also see the houthi's destroying ships heading towards the region so they are not ones wanting to feed gaza. and i have not seen iran try to send stuff inwards thats not weaponery. even though they are the main funders of hamas. where is irans humanitarian effort?
iran are abusing the palestinians and using hamas for irans end goal of re-igniting the persian empire

isreal/US is the only ones willing to take the risk to send aid in even against UN's preferences.. even the UN itself refuse to step across the border.. they just leave aid at the border..
isreal have sent more aid in than the population needs.. enough that if it was distributed and not hoarded at hamas warehouses. would be enough calories to feed 2m people until mid 2026

why are you so blind to what happens to the aid once inside the border. why are you too afraid to look at what hamas does once they organise ambushes of aid trucks en-route to distribution centres. 85% of aid never reaches the distribution centres because its ambushed en-route
why are you too afraid to look into that stuff.. oh wait it will involve you saying something negative about hamas. and you are too afriad to say bad things about hamas

Yes i cannot think of a better way for Israel to get peaceful Palestinians. I bet right after burying their mothers and watching their sisters starve to death, every Palestinian kid would want nothing more than to express his love for Israel! Solid logic, everyone believes that right?

again you keep switching the word from hamas troops and their families/associates. to try to make it sound like innocent random palestinian.. see how bad you are at separating to two.. heck you cant even see the difference. and thats why you are blind and stupid in these discussions

If Hamas is the occupying power, can you please educate us on who's the de jure and de facto government in Gaza? Something telling me that you won't answer this one as well.

hamas are in power i told you already !!!!
hamas are in power i told you already !!!!
stop being blind to the word hamas. realise their agenda, realise how they differ to normal civilians and other arabs/muslims.. stop being blind to hamas, stop trying to avoid hamas's actions

"aid was supose to be for the palestinians not hamas" Can you entertain us on how distributors of aid should differentiate between Hamas and Palestinians? If Hamas are not Palestinians what ethnic group are they? Great attempt at justification to keep region in famine.

quick translations
hamas=extremist terror plotting soldiers with the motto "deal to isreal, death to america" mostly wear black with green bandana on forehead on duty
palestinians = normal citizens

your problem is you want to pretend that hamas are the same as palestinians, even though hamas follow the credence of the iranian regime of actual genocide
palestinians are the normal civilians that just want a family, work and home.. a normal life, they wear normal middle eastern casual wear

this is why many countries want hamas removed, disarmed and depowered. and instead have gaza governed by a peaceful palestinian state power

when the food that is destined for distribution sites, gets ambushed, look into who organised the ambushes, then look at where 85% of food ends up that should have got to palestinians for free

Like i said many times i believe that Hamas committed acts of terrorism, i also believe that Israel is currently committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. Both are terrible, but Israel is operating on a completely different level/scale, and is sponsored by the US/EU, making a public mockery for the rule of law and setting a terrible precedent. Look China you can blockade Taiwan and let them all starve to death and US/EU will think it's totally fine/legal.

the blockade is not due to palestinians vs isreali's its due to hamas vs isrealis
isreal want peace with palestinians. isreal have fundamentally be the main ones writing peace deals and accords with palestinians and other arab nations.. its however the extremist terror groups that have a strong hold and working as a taken over government that then cause chaos for those involved
hamas declined many efforts for peace,

YOU and those like you keep trying to tar innocent palestinians with the same brush as hamas.. every time something involved hamas you call it out as a palestinian thing. you and others like you keep pretending that palestinians are the intended targets and everything in your eyes needs to make it look like a palestinian thing and not mention hamas

ohh wow, so now we're separating civilians, women and children into "true innocent unaffiliated people" and not so trully innocent civilians? Should Israel identify "absolute innocent bystanders" by measuring their skulls?

isreal have intelliagence they know where the hamas targets are, that is who they are targetting. they airdrop loads of leaflets if the area is a civilian area to get the civilians a chance to move out away from hamas known locations.. those that dont move from hamas will evidently become collateral damage.. butif you look at whom these refusals to move people are, they are the family or strong neighbours of hamas

it doesnt need measuring skulls.. you are delusional.. what you got to realise is isreal does all it can to warn normal innocents that hamas have infiltrated their neighbourhood/civilian infrastructure, causing the area to become a battleground. isreal give time for civilians to disperse
what you are not admitting to want to know is hamas dont warn the area that hamas need to use the area. hamas dont tell citizens they will be safer if the moved out
try to learn why hamas want and demand and threaten civilians to stay, even their own family they dont ask them to leave for safety

i never have been, but if i was a military guy. i would not want my family living with me in the same building that i do my military actions. i would not use my family or neighbours as human shields. if my family got shot in the location im doing military actions, id feel guilty that i put them in harms way, i would not blame others. its called war, if i knew an area is a battle field i would want civilians to move out the way, i would not want my family, friends or neighbour in the firing line
you however, by reading a few of your posts seem to be of the ideals of wanting family in the battlefield with you

hamas dont want to build battle fields in wastelands at the borders away from civilians. they want to hide in civilian area's they want to use their family and neighbours as human shields.
those that voluntarily stay want to become martyrs because they believe in the hamas cause.. and thats what makes them different to innocent palestinians.. not skull sizes

And after getting yourself in yet another corner, you're now just unable to answer if you support more governments recognizing Palestinian state at the UN in September?

with the terms that come with that recognition
disarm hamas demilitarise hamas, get new election process to replace hamas with a peaceful palestinian authority
then yes gaza has ancient historic recognition from the ancient days of the philistines to call gaza palestine and be governed by a peaceful palestinian government
(ive said this already but i know you ignored it because i mentioned remove hamas, which you dislike, so ignored entirely)

countries previously have not wanted to recognise gaza as a palestinian state because its currently controlled by a extremist terror group(hamas) under the umbrella of the iranian regime

[_Miracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw3NYfVuF_M&ab_channel=TheGuardian
The Guardian spoke to protesters and bystanders in Parliament Square, London, at the largest demonstration relating to Palestine Action since the group was proscribed as a terrorist organisation by the UK government.

[paxmao]

isreal do not control gaza
hamas does
hamas is the occupying power
hamas is the one which according to IHL

Territory is considered occupied when it is actually placed under the authority of the hostile army. The occupation extends only to the territory where such authority has been established and can be exercised

its upto hamas to maintain the public services such as hospitals and schools and bus services and everything a public authority has
its upto hamas

isreal is not the control authority
[...]

So this is your new theory. From Israel is supplying food, to Israel is not really killing civilians - it is just collateral damage, then Israel actually warns before striking to no no... it is a warzone so it is all ok.

And now, it is Hamas who should care for all services (under the bombs and the attack of Israel).

Why not, anything goes. But it is interesting to note that you blame Israel automatically for the Hamas terrorist attacks. Since the Israeli government is the "occupying force" of Israel, it is not Hamas responsibility if they killed people because... it is for Israel to guarantee peace and security services to those killed and the hostages.

You are getting more and more into dipshit Franky.

[franky1]

look at the idiots

they cant even be bothered to read whats actually said..
oh well paxmao as usual will waste months doing nothing to learn,  and darule will just want to be pro-hamas and play blind

goodluck to them, but i dont expect they will achieve anything

[paxmao]

look at the idiots

they cant even be bothered to read whats actually said..
oh well paxmao as usual will waste months doing nothing to learn,  and darule will just want to be pro-hamas and play blind

goodluck to them, but i dont expect they will achieve anything

What has become clear to me is that Israel is going after the systematic "relocation" of Palestinians, also in the West Bank BTW. They can be relocated to whatever country accepts them or under the ground, killed.

This is regardless of whatever happens with Hamas - these things are different and the sooner you look at them as separate, the faster you understand the current Israeli government.

[franky1]

look at the idiots

they cant even be bothered to read whats actually said..
oh well paxmao as usual will waste months doing nothing to learn,  and darule will just want to be pro-hamas and play blind

goodluck to them, but i dont expect they will achieve anything

What has become clear to me is that Israel is going after the systematic "relocation" of Palestinians, also in the West Bank BTW. They can be relocated to whatever country accepts them or under the ground, killed.

This is regardless of whatever happens with Hamas - these things are different and the sooner you look at them as separate, the faster you understand the current Israeli government.

isreal do not want to govern gaza. isreal want to rid gaza of hamas and then get the citizens of gaza to invoke an election where a peaceful palestinian government govern gaza.

hamas dont want people(human shields) to evacuate, isreal dont want palestinians spending another winter in UN refugee tents,
of those 2 opposing views, isreals intent is more humanitarian
once hamas are dealt with, the war is over there is no need to turn new area's into battlefields, the rebuilding can begin, in northern gaza, isreal already demolished buildings suspected of being boobytraps, already dealt with most the rubble and dealt with the IED's, the land in the north is near ready to start a rebuild process but wont begin if there is a chance of hamas's return
with as just said when a palestinian government is controlling gaza, recognised as a palestinian state then many world countries(arabian and western) will be coming to support the rebuilding process. yes this will take years and tens of billions(poke:more than paxmaos US car factory build estimates) but this is where a palestinian government gets support from the world
call it compensation, call it charity, call it business deals, but it shows willingness on many parties, races, nations that oppose hamas

i can already guess paxmao doesnt want world support of the rebuild process

[DaRude]

Wow  So in your mind Israel can put a territory under total blockade,

every country has borders and the designated customs/border crossings

use its military to stop all incoming food and water, even prevent UN and red cross from bringing food and medicine into the territory, and then claim that it has no lawful duty to supply said territory with aid,

every country has border checks. isreal have not stooped other countries. they just customs check the supplies dont have weapons/banned thing smuggled in.. UN could deliver checked goods into gaza but no UN dont want to step foot into gaza, they want hamas to control aid within the border.. but hamas are too cowardly to come to the border, so UN aid just stays at the border. the UN dont want other aid agencies handling UN aid either
the UN doesnt want isreal or ghf doing sparate food aid, but isreal/ghf still do even when legally they dont have to and warned by UN not to

did i understand that correctly? Following your logic to it's conclusion, you believe that until Gaza fully capitulates Israel has a right to starve them all to death, and that will be totally "legal"? What great interpretations for any madman that wants to starve a lot of people. You should collect them all together and put them in the book titled, "How to justify famine and murdering civilians for psychopaths".

you really are deluded.. UN/hamas do not want lots of random countries helping out.. the UN say only hamas should be handling the aid within gaza
eqypt stopped helping directly as it would escalate them into the war, after all egypt owned gaza for a long time in history, so do not want a repeat

hack we also see the houthi's destroying ships heading towards the region so they are not ones wanting to feed gaza. and i have not seen iran try to send stuff inwards thats not weaponery. even though they are the main funders of hamas. where is irans humanitarian effort?
iran are abusing the palestinians and using hamas for irans end goal of re-igniting the persian empire

isreal/US is the only ones willing to take the risk to send aid in even against UN's preferences.. even the UN itself refuse to step across the border.. they just leave aid at the border..
isreal have sent more aid in than the population needs.. enough that if it was distributed and not hoarded at hamas warehouses. would be enough calories to feed 2m people until mid 2026

why are you so blind to what happens to the aid once inside the border. why are you too afraid to look at what hamas does once they organise ambushes of aid trucks en-route to distribution centres. 85% of aid never reaches the distribution centres because its ambushed en-route
why are you too afraid to look into that stuff.. oh wait it will involve you saying something negative about hamas. and you are too afriad to say bad things about hamas

Yes i cannot think of a better way for Israel to get peaceful Palestinians. I bet right after burying their mothers and watching their sisters starve to death, every Palestinian kid would want nothing more than to express his love for Israel! Solid logic, everyone believes that right?

again you keep switching the word from hamas troops and their families/associates. to try to make it sound like innocent random palestinian.. see how bad you are at separating to two.. heck you cant even see the difference. and thats why you are blind and stupid in these discussions

If Hamas is the occupying power, can you please educate us on who's the de jure and de facto government in Gaza? Something telling me that you won't answer this one as well.

hamas are in power i told you already !!!!
hamas are in power i told you already !!!!
stop being blind to the word hamas. realise their agenda, realise how they differ to normal civilians and other arabs/muslims.. stop being blind to hamas, stop trying to avoid hamas's actions

"aid was supose to be for the palestinians not hamas" Can you entertain us on how distributors of aid should differentiate between Hamas and Palestinians? If Hamas are not Palestinians what ethnic group are they? Great attempt at justification to keep region in famine.

quick translations
hamas=extremist terror plotting soldiers with the motto "deal to isreal, death to america" mostly wear black with green bandana on forehead on duty
palestinians = normal citizens

your problem is you want to pretend that hamas are the same as palestinians, even though hamas follow the credence of the iranian regime of actual genocide
palestinians are the normal civilians that just want a family, work and home.. a normal life, they wear normal middle eastern casual wear

this is why many countries want hamas removed, disarmed and depowered. and instead have gaza governed by a peaceful palestinian state power

when the food that is destined for distribution sites, gets ambushed, look into who organised the ambushes, then look at where 85% of food ends up that should have got to palestinians for free

Like i said many times i believe that Hamas committed acts of terrorism, i also believe that Israel is currently committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. Both are terrible, but Israel is operating on a completely different level/scale, and is sponsored by the US/EU, making a public mockery for the rule of law and setting a terrible precedent. Look China you can blockade Taiwan and let them all starve to death and US/EU will think it's totally fine/legal.

the blockade is not due to palestinians vs isreali's its due to hamas vs isrealis
isreal want peace with palestinians. isreal have fundamentally be the main ones writing peace deals and accords with palestinians and other arab nations.. its however the extremist terror groups that have a strong hold and working as a taken over government that then cause chaos for those involved
hamas declined many efforts for peace,

YOU and those like you keep trying to tar innocent palestinians with the same brush as hamas.. every time something involved hamas you call it out as a palestinian thing. you and others like you keep pretending that palestinians are the intended targets and everything in your eyes needs to make it look like a palestinian thing and not mention hamas

ohh wow, so now we're separating civilians, women and children into "true innocent unaffiliated people" and not so trully innocent civilians? Should Israel identify "absolute innocent bystanders" by measuring their skulls?

isreal have intelliagence they know where the hamas targets are, that is who they are targetting. they airdrop loads of leaflets if the area is a civilian area to get the civilians a chance to move out away from hamas known locations.. those that dont move from hamas will evidently become collateral damage.. butif you look at whom these refusals to move people are, they are the family or strong neighbours of hamas

it doesnt need measuring skulls.. you are delusional.. what you got to realise is isreal does all it can to warn normal innocents that hamas have infiltrated their neighbourhood/civilian infrastructure, causing the area to become a battleground. isreal give time for civilians to disperse
what you are not admitting to want to know is hamas dont warn the area that hamas need to use the area. hamas dont tell citizens they will be safer if the moved out
try to learn why hamas want and demand and threaten civilians to stay, even their own family they dont ask them to leave for safety

i never have been, but if i was a military guy. i would not want my family living with me in the same building that i do my military actions. i would not use my family or neighbours as human shields. if my family got shot in the location im doing military actions, id feel guilty that i put them in harms way, i would not blame others. its called war, if i knew an area is a battle field i would want civilians to move out the way, i would not want my family, friends or neighbour in the firing line
you however, by reading a few of your posts seem to be of the ideals of wanting family in the battlefield with you

hamas dont want to build battle fields in wastelands at the borders away from civilians. they want to hide in civilian area's they want to use their family and neighbours as human shields.
those that voluntarily stay want to become martyrs because they believe in the hamas cause.. and thats what makes them different to innocent palestinians.. not skull sizes

And after getting yourself in yet another corner, you're now just unable to answer if you support more governments recognizing Palestinian state at the UN in September?

with the terms that come with that recognition
disarm hamas demilitarise hamas, get new election process to replace hamas with a peaceful palestinian authority
then yes gaza has ancient historic recognition from the ancient days of the philistines to call gaza palestine and be governed by a peaceful palestinian government
(ive said this already but i know you ignored it because i mentioned remove hamas, which you dislike, so ignored entirely)

countries previously have not wanted to recognise gaza as a palestinian state because its currently controlled by a extremist terror group(hamas) under the umbrella of the iranian regime

Once again your little story has a fatal flaw which you're just refusing to address. If Hamas has enough food to last whole Palestine until year 3036 why not allow UN bring more food in and do with it as they wish? According to your logic HAMAS is swimming in food, so additional food wouldn't be of any benefit to HAMAS, then why prevent UN from delivering it? Why can't Israel just say that from now on UN can bring as much food and water as they wish, they can flood whole Gaza with baby formula?

"it will involve you saying something negative about hamas. and you are too afriad to say bad things about hamas" in your monomaniacal state of defeating Israel at all costs you seemed to have lost all of you reading comprehension abilities Like i said many times i believe that Hamas committed acts of terrorism, i also believe that Israel is currently committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. Both are terrible, but Israel is operating on a completely different level/scale, and is sponsored by the US/EU, making a public mockery for the rule of law and setting a terrible precedent. Look China you can blockade Taiwan and let them all starve to death and US/EU will think it's totally fine/legal.


"again you keep switching the word from hamas troops and their families/associates. to try to make it sound like innocent random palestinian.. see how bad you are at separating to two.. heck you cant even see the difference. and thats why you are blind and stupid in these discussions"
It's quiet obvious that by your definition there are no more Palestinians in Gaza, because i doubt a single one of them wishes peace upon Israel now. Which coincidentally works out for Israel, if we declare everyone that doesn't like us as terrorists, then we can destroy all terrorists...  

Article 50 - Definition of civilians and civilian population
1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) of the Third Convention and in Article 43 of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.
2. The civilian population comprises all persons who are civilians.
3. The presence within the civilian population of individuals who do not come within the definition of civilians does not deprive the population of its civilian character.

Ugh that annoying Geneva convention again. So in the whole world civilians are defined essentially as all individuals who do not belong to the armed forces or combatant categories. And civilians should be protected under Geneva convention. But what you're saying is that Israelis are some super race above Palestinians because they can treat Palestinians differently from all other humans? Instead Israel should be allowed to administer it's own purity test which would created different classes of Palestinian civilians "what makes them different to innocent palestinians.. not skull sizes" and "true innocent unaffiliated people". How should those civilians who are non combatants but don't pass Israeli's civilian purity test be separated from "innocent unaffiliated civilians"? Have you considering tattooing some numbers on them for easy identification? Hitler would've been so proud of you!

[DaRude]

look at the idiots

they cant even be bothered to read whats actually said..
oh well paxmao as usual will waste months doing nothing to learn,  and darule will just want to be pro-hamas and play blind

goodluck to them, but i dont expect they will achieve anything

What has become clear to me is that Israel is going after the systematic "relocation" of Palestinians, also in the West Bank BTW. They can be relocated to whatever country accepts them or under the ground, killed.

This is regardless of whatever happens with Hamas - these things are different and the sooner you look at them as separate, the faster you understand the current Israeli government.

Israel's Smotrich launches settlement plan to 'bury' idea of Palestinian state

Israeli far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich announced that work would start on a long-delayed settlement that would divide the West Bank and cut it off from East Jerusalem, a move his office said would "bury" the idea of a Palestinian state.
...
"Whoever in the world is trying to recognise a Palestinian state today will receive our answer on the ground. Not with documents nor with decisions or statements, but with facts. Facts of houses, facts of neighbourhoods," Smotrich said.
...
The United Nations urged Israel to reverse its decision to start work on the settlement.
"It would put an end to prospects of a two-state solution," U.N. spokesperson Stephane Dujarric told reporters. "Settlements go against international law … (and) further entrench the occupation."
...
In a statement headlined "Burying the idea of a Palestinian state," Smotrich's spokesperson said the minister had approved the plan to build 3,401 houses for Israeli settlers between an existing settlement in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

"The EU rejects any territorial change that is not part of a political agreement between involved parties. So annexation of territory is illegal under international law," European Commission spokesperson Anitta Hipper said.
British Foreign Minister David Lammy said the plan must be stopped.
"The UK strongly opposes the Israeli government's E1 settlement plans, which would divide a future Palestinian state in two and mark a flagrant breach of international law," Lammy said in an emailed statement.

whatever UK/EU *wink*wink* say is all for their internal consumer, as long as they continue to sell arms to Israel they can say anything they want, and i'm sure franky will make up some story about unicorns that justifies this

[franky1]

Once again your little story has a fatal flaw which you're just refusing to address. If Hamas has enough food to last whole Palestine until year 3036 why not allow UN bring more food in and do with it as they wish? According to your logic HAMAS is swimming in food, so additional food wouldn't be of any benefit to HAMAS, then why prevent UN from delivering it? Why can't Israel just say that from now on UN can bring as much food and water as they wish, they can flood whole Gaza with baby formula?

you are so void of thinking that i might have to declare you braindead as you are lacking to use even the simplist of braincells now
a. 2026 not 3036
b. UN dont want to go inside of the border go give to hamas... hamas dont want to come to the border to collect. hamas only want to get supplies the ambush on route inside gaza via other aid agencies willing to take that risk
c. yes hamas is swimming with food, so much so the hamas troops are looking bloated compared to the hostages, prisoners they keep. hamas sell food at illegal markets at 15x pre war price. but they cant just let the innocent palestinians have it for free or hamas would lose dependancy of the palestinians
d. hamas are not preventing UN, its UN that want to leave it at the border for hamas to get. again un too afraid to send trucks with a security team because UN dont want their guys turning into political prisoners like what happened in 2023-24. isreeeal even said isreal and GHF will ship it in for UN but UN said they dont want anyone else touching it unless its hamas at the border

"it will involve you saying something negative about hamas. and you are too afriad to say bad things about hamas" in your monomaniacal state of defeating Israel at all costs you seemed to have lost all of you reading comprehension abilities Like i said many times i believe that Hamas committed acts of terrorism, i also believe that Israel is currently committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. Both are terrible, but Israel is operating on a completely different level/scale, and is sponsored by the US/EU, making a public mockery for the rule of law and setting a terrible precedent. Look China you can blockade Taiwan and let them all starve to death and US/EU will think it's totally fine/legal.

hams are setting alot of evil precedents which can be used in some future asian war.
setting up makeshift hospitals which become supposed no-kill zones.. but in actuality militia use these as outposts.. suddenly makes incursions and stuff harder without it being declared a war crime to deal with such militia

when you look at the average number of hospitals per capita of any country. then look at the hospitals per capita of gaza. you start to see this outlier pattern. but if you then want to say they are hospitals due to war injuries. then look at the number of beds of such hospitals in gaza.. they have many hospitals but very few beds per hospital, not enough for a normal war based triage centre. you then look at all the tunnels built underneath and then satellite images of troop movements between hospitals, and the arms and ammo equipment found in hospitals to realise these hospitals are more so used as military outposts. not fully functional genuine hospitals. which as said at start of this paragraph is a military tactic asia could copy in its own defence plans of what is call 'lawfare'
from 2005 hamas got highly sponsored/funded to build STRATEGIC 'hospitals' to play lawfare games of cowardliness to try to trap isreal into warcrimes. however isreal sent alot or warnings and intel to all concerned parties to show how, why and when an area was to become a battlefield. and as said in other posts if hamas were not cowards to use so called civilian infrastructure as outposts, the area's concerned would not become hamas hotspots and thus would not become targets

"again you keep switching the word from hamas troops and their families/associates. to try to make it sound like innocent random palestinian.. see how bad you are at separating to two.. heck you cant even see the difference. and thats why you are blind and stupid in these discussions"
It's quiet obvious that by your definition there are no more Palestinians in Gaza, because i doubt a single one of them wishes peace upon Israel now. Which coincidentally works out for Israel, if we declare everyone that doesn't like us as terrorists, then we can destroy all terrorists...  

there are 2m civilians. only a few dozen thousand hamas and multiple dozen hamas friends, family associates, allegiant to hamas
2m are not dead. and if you count up the number of dead the numbers standing with hamas and hamas allegient parties that refuse to step away from notified hamas hotspots you will see a linkage

YOU are the one pretending hamas are part of the civilians which you just want to brush as all being "palestinians"
You cant separate what is defined as true innocent people vs those that become interlocked in the battle

Article 50 - Definition of civilians and civilian population
1. A civilian is any person who does not belong to one of the categories of persons referred to in Article 4 A (1), (2), (3) and (6) of the Third Convention and in Article 43 of this Protocol. In case of doubt whether a person is a civilian, that person shall be considered to be a civilian.
2. The civilian population comprises all persons who are civilians.
3. The presence within the civilian population of individuals who do not come within the definition of civilians does not deprive the population of its civilian character.

Ugh that annoying Geneva convention again.

yes those who are not drafted/conscripted troops are civilian, but they are still majority affiliated to hamas by familial or other reasons, which is why i call them collateral damage
YOU are the one that pretends all 2m are randomly being shot without any reason.. i am trying to get you to see the separations of why certain people remain in hamas hotspots and why they become collateral damage when HAMAS ARE THE TARGETS and the collateral damage of civilians relate to the HAMAS as TARGETS

So in the whole world civilians are defined essentially as all individuals who do not belong to the armed forces or combatant categories. And civilians should be protected under Geneva convention. But what you're saying is that Israelis are some super race above Palestinians because they can treat Palestinians differently from all other humans? Instead Israel should be allowed to administer it's own purity test which would created different classes of Palestinian civilians "what makes them different to innocent palestinians.. not skull sizes" and "true innocent unaffiliated people". How should those civilians who are non combatants but don't pass Israeli's civilian purity test be separated from "innocent unaffiliated civilians"? Have you considering tattooing some numbers on them for easy identification? Hitler would've been so proud of you!

again isreal send warnings.. isreal give innocent palestinians a chance to find safer area's to vacate to.. its YOU that think civilians should not move when hamas make things a hotspot. thus its YOU that want more civilians killed

YOU think isrealis should not attack hamas because hamas keep their kids and wives at the hips.. and thats what a evil vile person would think, to use their own family as a shield simply because "they are civilian".. doing so as a tactic is a vile act on hamas's part. thinking they can get away without ever being drawn on, because they think they are safe by keeping "civilians" at the hip

you need to realise hamas are cowards, they dont want to travel to get away from family and actually battle their adversaries far from family and friends, so that their family and friends are safe. they instead want to keep family close so that when hamas troops and family are killed, other troops can pretend there was no reason for the families deaths and then say the families should not have died, and try to call it a war crime, pretending hamas affiliated people were not affiliated but just innocents

wake up to what hamas tactics are, using their own kin and associates as human shields and then also conscripting, blackmailing, ordering, demanding others into staying put to become human shields for the cowards known as hamas

[paxmao]

look at the idiots

they cant even be bothered to read whats actually said..
oh well paxmao as usual will waste months doing nothing to learn,  and darule will just want to be pro-hamas and play blind

goodluck to them, but i dont expect they will achieve anything

What has become clear to me is that Israel is going after the systematic "relocation" of Palestinians, also in the West Bank BTW. They can be relocated to whatever country accepts them or under the ground, killed.

This is regardless of whatever happens with Hamas - these things are different and the sooner you look at them as separate, the faster you understand the current Israeli government.

Israel's Smotrich launches settlement plan to 'bury' idea of Palestinian state

Israeli far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich announced that work would start on a long-delayed settlement that would divide the West Bank and cut it off from East Jerusalem, a move his office said would "bury" the idea of a Palestinian state.
...
"Whoever in the world is trying to recognise a Palestinian state today will receive our answer on the ground. Not with documents nor with decisions or statements, but with facts. Facts of houses, facts of neighbourhoods," Smotrich said.
...
The United Nations urged Israel to reverse its decision to start work on the settlement.
"It would put an end to prospects of a two-state solution," U.N. spokesperson Stephane Dujarric told reporters. "Settlements go against international law … (and) further entrench the occupation."
...
In a statement headlined "Burying the idea of a Palestinian state," Smotrich's spokesperson said the minister had approved the plan to build 3,401 houses for Israeli settlers between an existing settlement in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

"The EU rejects any territorial change that is not part of a political agreement between involved parties. So annexation of territory is illegal under international law," European Commission spokesperson Anitta Hipper said.
British Foreign Minister David Lammy said the plan must be stopped.
"The UK strongly opposes the Israeli government's E1 settlement plans, which would divide a future Palestinian state in two and mark a flagrant breach of international law," Lammy said in an emailed statement.

whatever UK/EU *wink*wink* say is all for their internal consumer, as long as they continue to sell arms to Israel they can say anything they want, and i'm sure franky will make up some story about unicorns that justifies this

Do not be so sure of that. Many people in Europe do not agree with the current Israeli government attrocities in Gaza. The proptests in Europe are frequent despite not receiving as much media attention as they would probably in other cases.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/08/germany-halts-military-exports-to-israel-gaza-friedrich-merz

The German chancellor has indicated a significant shift in Berlin’s staunch support for Israel by stopping the export of military equipment that could be used in Gaza, as international partners condemned Israeli plans to take control of Gaza City.

The UK government is also under serious pressure and other European countries such as Italy and Spain have been in favour of stopping the war since the beginning

[franky1]

look at the idiots

they cant even be bothered to read whats actually said..
oh well paxmao as usual will waste months doing nothing to learn,  and darule will just want to be pro-hamas and play blind

goodluck to them, but i dont expect they will achieve anything

What has become clear to me is that Israel is going after the systematic "relocation" of Palestinians, also in the West Bank BTW. They can be relocated to whatever country accepts them or under the ground, killed.

This is regardless of whatever happens with Hamas - these things are different and the sooner you look at them as separate, the faster you understand the current Israeli government.

Israel's Smotrich launches settlement plan to 'bury' idea of Palestinian state

Israeli far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich announced that work would start on a long-delayed settlement that would divide the West Bank and cut it off from East Jerusalem, a move his office said would "bury" the idea of a Palestinian state.
...
"Whoever in the world is trying to recognise a Palestinian state today will receive our answer on the ground. Not with documents nor with decisions or statements, but with facts. Facts of houses, facts of neighbourhoods," Smotrich said.
...
The United Nations urged Israel to reverse its decision to start work on the settlement.
"It would put an end to prospects of a two-state solution," U.N. spokesperson Stephane Dujarric told reporters. "Settlements go against international law … (and) further entrench the occupation."
...
In a statement headlined "Burying the idea of a Palestinian state," Smotrich's spokesperson said the minister had approved the plan to build 3,401 houses for Israeli settlers between an existing settlement in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

"The EU rejects any territorial change that is not part of a political agreement between involved parties. So annexation of territory is illegal under international law," European Commission spokesperson Anitta Hipper said.
British Foreign Minister David Lammy said the plan must be stopped.
"The UK strongly opposes the Israeli government's E1 settlement plans, which would divide a future Palestinian state in two and mark a flagrant breach of international law," Lammy said in an emailed statement.

whatever UK/EU *wink*wink* say is all for their internal consumer, as long as they continue to sell arms to Israel they can say anything they want, and i'm sure franky will make up some story about unicorns that justifies this

not making up any story..
if you dare take your eyes off your pro-hamas notifications bar. you will see real data from other sources.. and no its not me making it up. hense why i keep asking you to look for yourself  instead of asking me to spoon feed you..

the actual "story" if you want to call it that. is that the TWO STATE hope of palestinians is not going to happen in september..
from september the real firstinitiative is to get peace for gaza by removing hamas and then getting a peaceful palestinian group elected into governing gaza and recognising gaza as a single palestinian state..

the second 'state' is in limbo and not yet a possibility. whereby palestinians probably are not going to get all the hopes and dreams they wish for in regards to west bank.. and definitely not going to get the fantasies of a entire "from river to sea" dream met


if you actually dare yourself to research things that are not pro-hamas . you will learn information exists publicly. information not created by franky
the things i tell you are not things i created or made up. i just dont lick hamas's ass and ask for loving hamas kisses, unlike when you type
i dont ask for isreal ass licks nor kisses either

i just write things that are not pro-hamas
i know you want to think im telling you something different to what you read, so you think its me making it up.. then when you hear similar stuff from media, you somehow think lil old me on this forum made it up and inspired world politics.. but no.. world politics is world politics.
EG you've been told by your parents that santa visits you every christmas. i tell you santa doesnt exist. you retort that i personally must have genocided santa.. but the reality is santa has never been real and you need to accept and grow up to the fact..

politics is politics, i just care enough to look at the detail and facts and talk about it without fear

one day you will stop fearing hamas and stop only wanting to talk in pro-hamas rhetoric.. i hope that day comes soon when you are finally confident enough to dare yourself to look beyond the pro-hamas rhetoric