Federal Reserve Chair under threat - Trump trying to become King

[paxmao]

After the effective take over of the US Supreme Court, with results as banning abortion in many states, Trump has been going after Jerome Powell for a while, as Trump needs to reduce the interest rates to lighten the burden of the debt.

The obvious problem is that not that long ago the US debt has been downgraded
https://ratings.moodys.com/ratings-news/443154

Moody's Ratings (Moody's) has downgraded the Government of United States of America's (US) long-term issuer and senior unsecured ratings to Aa1 from Aaa and changed the outlook to stable from negative.

This one-notch downgrade on our 21-notch rating scale reflects the increase over more than a decade in government debt and interest payment ratios to levels that are significantly higher than similarly rated sovereigns.

and many economists believe that the Tariffs set, particularly on aluminum and steel will eventually rise prices and inflation. The narrative of "companies eating up the tariffs" or "others pay the tariffs" work well with people who do not know and want to believe, but the Fed is not paid to believe and certainly understands the economy.

So Trump is now looking into false allegations - a real mockery of the system - to try remove Jerome.

And my thinking is that the market, and mostly the bonds market, is not paid to believe either and understands very well what it means when a POTUS takes the right to decide about interest rates and Bank system regulations while passing a bill to raise the debt by Trillions.

Perhaps it is time to buy Euros.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/24/business/powell-trump-feud

This is the moment in which a good proffessional that actually is on top of his work, evidences a stupid that is trying to blow shit. I am sure next time Trump will try the next "party trick" when Jerome is not there to evidence him.

[BADecker]

Yep. Buy Euro's because King Trump has required Western Europe to pay for the military assistance that Ukraine gets from them. That way you can keep financing the European NATO for them without Trump's help.

[Mevve]

I would not buy euro just to have it sitting around, but rather use it to buy some kind of investment like land or real estate.

This goes for the US as well. Whatever happens with the USD some assets like land and real estate will retain its real value.

Crypto probably as well in the long run altough it will probably be more volatily in the short run.

[franky1]

powells tenure is expiring in mid 2026 anyways.. and trump can either push powell out sooner, or just wait it out and transition in the replacement.. powells days are numbered either way.. just accept it.. powells soon to be gone

as for paxmao's cries about "eating up tariffs" of steel
well a average car only has 840KG of steel (0.84tonne)
the price of steel is under $900/tonne meaning ~$730 per car vs china $400.. meaning even with lets go with 100% tariff.. a change between $730 vs $800 is not that much of a leap
 so lets not play paxmaos silly games of pretending that a tariff is going to turn a $25k car into a $50k car due to tariffs on steel.. paxmao just hasnt done any maths on the topic*

so whether its chinese import steel or american steel.. the difference wont make cars double the price.. it just makes cars a few hundred dollars difference.. which can be eaten up

as for other tariff avoidance methods.. paxmao has had multiple months to research the difference between full foreign production imports. vs partial production with US assembly methods. to mitigate tariff costs

also how even though china is highly tariffed, parts/material supplies are no longer trade deal locked into coming from china. and america can choose other countries to get parts, CHEAPER to offset costs

*ive given paxmao enough time now to look into it.. just a shame he has made so many wrongful posts about it and is continuing down that wrongful narrative even today

[BADecker]

Trump expelling Powell is not about Trump becoming king. It's about getting rid of a useless, corrupt king. If the next joker, Fed king is as bad/useless as Powell, he/she will be removed as well. We have had Powell longer than 4 years. So, even if Trump becomes king, it will only be for 4 years... less now.

[paxmao]

powells tenure is expiring in mid 2026 anyways.. and trump can either push powell out sooner, or just wait it out and transition in the replacement.. powells days are numbered either way.. just accept it.. powells soon to be gone

as for paxmao's cries about "eating up tariffs" of steel
well a average car only has 840KG of steel (0.84tonne)
the price of steel is under $900/tonne meaning ~$730 per car vs china $400.. meaning even with lets go with 100% tariff.. a change between $730 vs $800 is not that much of a leap
 so lets not play paxmaos silly games of pretending that a tariff is going to turn a $25k car into a $50k car due to tariffs on steel.. paxmao just hasnt done any maths on the topic*

so whether its chinese import steel or american steel.. the difference wont make cars double the price.. it just makes cars a few hundred dollars difference.. which can be eaten up

as for other tariff avoidance methods.. paxmao has had multiple months to research the difference between full foreign production imports. vs partial production with US assembly methods. to mitigate tariff costs

also how even though china is highly tariffed, parts/material supplies are no longer trade deal locked into coming from china. and america can choose other countries to get parts, CHEAPER to offset costs

*ive given paxmao enough time now to look into it.. just a shame he has made so many wrongful posts about it and is continuing down that wrongful narrative even today

All your numbers are made up You do not have sources, you do not have any other evidence.

Meanwhile, the people who actually know the numbers and do proper math with them are saying exactly what would be expected.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/jul/22/gm-earnings-profits-trump-tariffs

US automaker’s second-quarter core profit fell 32% and it expects tariff impact to worsen in the third quarter

Now, imagine anyone living on a salary and getting a 32% reduction of the earnings. Companies tend to go broke or lay-off thousands of workers.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/22/nx-s1-5476293/car-makers-tariff-pain-general-motors-profits

Carmakers are feeling tariff pain: GM is the 2nd company to take a hit to profits

And this is withing the context of a strong economy, if there is a downturn - and it seems likely - firms will go under.

[BADecker]

Seems that Trump IS king. He can think up so many ways of acting the king part, that the Full Congress doesn't have time to work around his kingship. And even the judiciary us falling behind.

True, not a literal king, but a king by his actions. Good thing he has good plans and ideas.

[o48o]

I understand king being used as an example as USA traditionally hated kings.

But what Trump is seeking for is to be dictator, as he wouldn't have class to act as a modern day royal, nor they would have the power he wants. Trump wants to be old day's mad king, and those are called dictators these days. Modern day royals had to adapt, because of fear what happened to some royals in France and frankly i am a bit worried that history is repeating itself.

Republic of USA had strong safeguards to keep kings and dictators away, but team maga seems to be working on removing those safeguards and removing the transparent oversight, so that people don't even see it happening. Federal reserve system is just one of the jenga blocks being removed.

[paxmao]

Seems that Trump IS king. He can think up so many ways of acting the king part, that the Full Congress doesn't have time to work around his kingship. And even the judiciary us falling behind.

True, not a literal king, but a king by his actions. Good thing he has good plans and ideas.

It is good that you recognise that and it is good that you are also in favour of the Second Ammendment... you know, the one that says that citizens have the right to wear arms.

This ammendment was specifically created to allow citizens to fight the King's troops and that is considered a right in the US. So if you add two plus two, you are basically saying that US citizens should use their weapons to get rid of the king???

I understand king being used as an example as USA traditionally hated kings.

But what Trump is seeking for is to be dictator, as he wouldn't have class to act as a modern day royal, nor they would have the power he wants. Trump wants to be old day's mad king, and those are called dictators these days. Modern day royals had to adapt, because of fear what happened to some royals in France and frankly i am a bit worried that history is repeating itself.

Republic of USA had strong safeguards to keep kings and dictators away, but team maga seems to be working on removing those safeguards and removing the transparent oversight, so that people don't even see it happening. Federal reserve system is just one of the jenga blocks being removed.

The US has never experienced a dictator. Most people do not understand when the line is crossed and when is too late. I must remind everyone that Hitler got to power being elected.

[BADecker]

Seems that Trump IS king. He can think up so many ways of acting the king part, that the Full Congress doesn't have time to work around his kingship. And even the judiciary us falling behind.

True, not a literal king, but a king by his actions. Good thing he has good plans and ideas.

It is good that you recognise that and it is good that you are also in favour of the Second Ammendment... you know, the one that says that citizens have the right to wear arms.

This ammendment was specifically created to allow citizens to fight the King's troops and that is considered a right in the US. So if you add two plus two, you are basically saying that US citizens should use their weapons to get rid of the king???

I understand king being used as an example as USA traditionally hated kings.

But what Trump is seeking for is to be dictator, as he wouldn't have class to act as a modern day royal, nor they would have the power he wants. Trump wants to be old day's mad king, and those are called dictators these days. Modern day royals had to adapt, because of fear what happened to some royals in France and frankly i am a bit worried that history is repeating itself.

Republic of USA had strong safeguards to keep kings and dictators away, but team maga seems to be working on removing those safeguards and removing the transparent oversight, so that people don't even see it happening. Federal reserve system is just one of the jenga blocks being removed.

The US has never experienced a dictator. Most people do not understand when the line is crossed and when is too late. I must remind everyone that Hitler got to power being elected.

When you look at the troubles that Trump is having in his attempts to remove the Deep State, you can see that it isn't the elected ones who rule, Trump in this case. Rather it is the Deep State using the banking system to rule.

As more money is created, everybody who uses that money loses value through inflation. It makes itself apparent in the marketplace.

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. So it looks, at times, like what Trump is doing is simply a continuation of the Deep State. But his results against evil Obama, evil Hillary, evil Pelosi, and others are being shown right now as these evil creatures are being brought to account through the actions of Trump and his people.

When the time is right, Trump will bring MAGA out into the open as he is doing against these evil people who were/are trying to dominate the world.

[Hispo]

Regardless of the country and historical context. Whenever a president has tried to go against separation of power of a democratic system, it had always been a clear signal of raising autocracy and fascism. What was the first movement of Adolf Hitler when he managed to get into a position of power when he became the second in charge of the Republic of Weimar? To get rid of separation of power and use the burning of their Parliament as a good excuse for it, people of Germany blindly followed him.

Trump is not supposed to be able to remove people who is out of his power as representative of the people of the USA. We would love to be himself the one who dictates the economical path of their country by himself, but separation of power is the only thing in his way and also the only thing which prevents a republic from becoming a kingdom.

[BADecker]

Regardless of the country and historical context. Whenever a president has tried to go against separation of power of a democratic system, it had always been a clear signal of raising autocracy and fascism. What was the first movement of Adolf Hitler when he managed to get into a position of power when he became the second in charge of the Republic of Weimar? To get rid of separation of power and use the burning of their Parliament as a good excuse for it, people of Germany blindly followed him.

Trump is not supposed to be able to remove people who is out of his power as representative of the people of the USA. We would love to be himself the one who dictates the economical path of their country by himself, but separation of power is the only thing in his way and also the only thing which prevents a republic from becoming a kingdom.

1. It's the stupidity of the people that allows or invites government to regulate them. A man/woman is not the name on some document except that they express that they are. So, it's their own fault that they can't wake up to this fact, but rather, continue to accept that they are that 'person' on the doc, and that they must do the things of that doc.

If you want to see that a man/woman is NOT the name on the doc, it can be shown simply. Get a small knife and cut into the name on the document. Does it bleed? NO! But cut into the man/woman and you will get blood. So, the man/woman is not the 'person' named on the doc except that they agree that they are.

2. Trump is not going against the Constitution in any way. The Constitution allows men/women to sign agreements with the Federal Government (the Contract Clause)... and the people have used their authority to take themselves out from under the protections of the Constitution, in favor of some agreements that they made on the documents they signed with government. And again, it's because they don't recognize their position as NOT being the 'person' on the documents. So, Trump can only act with them as they have said... Citizen (Slave) of the government, rather than American Citizen under the protections of the Constitution.

Not evil Trump. Rather, stupid people.

[paxmao]

Regardless of the country and historical context. Whenever a president has tried to go against separation of power of a democratic system, it had always been a clear signal of raising autocracy and fascism. What was the first movement of Adolf Hitler when he managed to get into a position of power when he became the second in charge of the Republic of Weimar? To get rid of separation of power and use the burning of their Parliament as a good excuse for it, people of Germany blindly followed him.

Trump is not supposed to be able to remove people who is out of his power as representative of the people of the USA. We would love to be himself the one who dictates the economical path of their country by himself, but separation of power is the only thing in his way and also the only thing which prevents a republic from becoming a kingdom.

But that is exactly what is happening. He has packed the Supreme court with judges, to the point of bein able to turn Wade vs Roe (abortion) and have them declaring that the President can pretty much commit crimes and go unpunished. He also closed all the cases agains himself.

He has also removed the directors of the intelligence agencies and replaced them with a few conspiratards without the right experience and a lot of shit in their brains, he is threatening to remove the Fed chair - which is clearly outside the limits.

But these are just a few examples of how combining the control of Judiciary, exerting direct pressure on the press (including sitting and advisor on Facebooks board) and threatining with personal retaliation is creating a King, not a president.

I just cannot imagine what Republicans would be saying if Obama or Biden had done even half of that.

[franky1]

powells tenure is expiring in mid 2026 anyways.. and trump can either push powell out sooner, or just wait it out and transition in the replacement.. powells days are numbered either way.. just accept it.. powells soon to be gone

as for paxmao's cries about "eating up tariffs" of steel
well a average car only has 840KG of steel (0.84tonne)
the price of steel is under $900/tonne meaning ~$730 per car vs china $400.. meaning even with lets go with 100% tariff.. a change between $730 vs $800 is not that much of a leap
 so lets not play paxmaos silly games of pretending that a tariff is going to turn a $25k car into a $50k car due to tariffs on steel.. paxmao just hasnt done any maths on the topic*

so whether its chinese import steel or american steel.. the difference wont make cars double the price.. it just makes cars a few hundred dollars difference.. which can be eaten up

as for other tariff avoidance methods.. paxmao has had multiple months to research the difference between full foreign production imports. vs partial production with US assembly methods. to mitigate tariff costs

also how even though china is highly tariffed, parts/material supplies are no longer trade deal locked into coming from china. and america can choose other countries to get parts, CHEAPER to offset costs

*ive given paxmao enough time now to look into it.. just a shame he has made so many wrongful posts about it and is continuing down that wrongful narrative even today

All your numbers are made up You do not have sources, you do not have any other evidence.

oh paxmao, oh dear little lad, how silly do you always make yourself when you dont even do 4 seconds of looking
try doing some research you empty spoon feeder..
if you always want to argue my posts.. how about do some research to find your own answers.. or atleast do research to actually come up with a viable debunk



all your replies just chant the same narrative that you think im wrong simply because i say something different to your propaganda.. yet i back my own stuff up, even a 2 second google search can debunk YOU

oh wait i bet you still think it took 4 years and dozens of billions for US car makers to expand production... well i gave you examples where car manufacturers have this spring-summer already expanded from plan to fruition.. in weeks-months with less then the "billions" you have endlessly narrated

heck even chip manufacturers have already moved out of china and producing right now.. and no its not a 4-8 year procedure. its already happened

difference between me and you is
you find some social media rhetoric/clickbait propaganda repeat it on this forum, wait for responses to see if anyone disagree's and then demand them to spoonfeed you the real facts

i however see some opinion on the internet and then research the topic and then respond, i dont need to supply all the research in my post because others interested in learning could google stuff themselves to check and independently learn for themselves in a way that convinces themself because they found the answer for themself

you however dont google to check..  you instead just rewatch/read your initial clickbait propaganda to see if you misinterpreted the narrative you believe


any way powells time is up, he will be replaced within the year. replaced by someone that can actually controll interest rates based on economics not dem adoration

[paxmao]

powells tenure is expiring in mid 2026 anyways.. and trump can either push powell out sooner, or just wait it out and transition in the replacement.. powells days are numbered either way.. just accept it.. powells soon to be gone

as for paxmao's cries about "eating up tariffs" of steel
well a average car only has 840KG of steel (0.84tonne)
the price of steel is under $900/tonne meaning ~$730 per car vs china $400.. meaning even with lets go with 100% tariff.. a change between $730 vs $800 is not that much of a leap
 so lets not play paxmaos silly games of pretending that a tariff is going to turn a $25k car into a $50k car due to tariffs on steel.. paxmao just hasnt done any maths on the topic*

so whether its chinese import steel or american steel.. the difference wont make cars double the price.. it just makes cars a few hundred dollars difference.. which can be eaten up

as for other tariff avoidance methods.. paxmao has had multiple months to research the difference between full foreign production imports. vs partial production with US assembly methods. to mitigate tariff costs

also how even though china is highly tariffed, parts/material supplies are no longer trade deal locked into coming from china. and america can choose other countries to get parts, CHEAPER to offset costs

*ive given paxmao enough time now to look into it.. just a shame he has made so many wrongful posts about it and is continuing down that wrongful narrative even today

All your numbers are made up You do not have sources, you do not have any other evidence.

oh paxmao, oh dear little lad, how silly do you always make yourself when you dont even do 4 seconds of looking
try doing some research you empty spoon feeder..
if you always want to argue my posts.. how about do some research to find your own answers.. or atleast do research to actually come up with a viable debunk



all your replies just chant the same narrative that you think im wrong simply because i say something different to your propaganda.. yet i back my own stuff up, even a 2 second google search can debunk YOU

oh wait i bet you still think it took 4 years and dozens of billions for US car makers to expand production... well i gave you examples where car manufacturers have this spring-summer already expanded from plan to fruition.. in weeks-months with less then the "billions" you have endlessly narrated

heck even chip manufacturers have already moved out of china and producing right now.. and no its not a 4-8 year procedure. its already happened

difference between me and you is
you find some social media rhetoric/clickbait propaganda repeat it on this forum, wait for responses to see if anyone disagree's and then demand them to spoonfeed you the real facts

i however see some opinion on the internet and then research the topic and then respond, i dont need to supply all the research in my post because others interested in learning could google stuff themselves to check and independently learn for themselves in a way that convinces themself because they found the answer for themself

you however dont google to check..  you instead just rewatch/read your initial clickbait propaganda to see if you misinterpreted the narrative you believe


any way powells time is up, he will be replaced within the year. replaced by someone that can actually controll interest rates based on economics not dem adoration

Again, your numbers are made up. Your calculations do not add up. You are reaching beyond your abilities (that seems constant, so leads me to think it is easy for you to get there).

 This is what is happening:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-japan-tariffs-autos-taxes-trade-5a5afd77dad958f8fae656a371df6f09

US automakers say Trump’s 15% tariff deal with Japan puts them at a disadvantage

It is very simple: Japanese auto-makers have to deal with a 15% tariff. US automakers have to deal with 25% on steel and plus for aluminum.

You just take the price of steel and pretend to know how it affects companies. However the companies are clearly saying that they are going to be put in an incompetitive position.

If Trump were making such a great deals, why would the industry say the opposite? CEOs are much more inclined to overhype, yet they are doing the opposite.

But that's fine Franky... I am sure someone believes you and not them. You just have to find that person.

[montaga]

1912 Titanic sinks, wealthy opponends of to the creation of the central bank on board: John Jacob Astor, Benjamin Guggenheim, Isidor Straus.
1913 Creation of Fed. Not federal and no reserves, they print/lend and you owe
1913 IRS You work and you pay them
1913 Rockefeller Foundation bought influence and reshaped Medicine, Education, Science, World health
1913 American Cancer Society the "charity" Patented drugs, create fear, create cancer industry with industrial foods
1913 ADL the civil rights group censors speech, shapes narratives and sileces its critics, protecting the system not the people
1913 Warburg installs central banking the greatest power grab in history with not shots fired
1913 Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all resided in Vienna
1914 WW1 first full industrialized banker backed war, constand wars since then: Problem-Reaction-Profit

Covid the guide of who is part of the system, four presidents a no longer with us

[franky1]

Again, your numbers are made up. Your calculations do not add up. You are reaching beyond your abilities (that seems constant, so leads me to think it is easy for you to get there).

 This is what is happening:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-japan-tariffs-autos-taxes-trade-5a5afd77dad958f8fae656a371df6f09

US automakers say Trump’s 15% tariff deal with Japan puts them at a disadvantage

It is very simple: Japanese auto-makers have to deal with a 15% tariff. US automakers have to deal with 25% on steel and plus for aluminum.

You just take the price of steel and pretend to know how it affects companies. However the companies are clearly saying that they are going to be put in an incompetitive position.

If Trump were making such a great deals, why would the industry say the opposite? CEOs are much more inclined to overhype, yet they are doing the opposite.

But that's fine Franky... I am sure someone believes you and not them. You just have to find that person.

your ignorance is becoming intolerable
in many topics now i have had to correct you, and yet you cant even get the hint

you keep on imagining that all cards are going to cost 15-25-100% higher then current
i have many time told you that importing a fully built car has costs that cant be sidestepped. . BUT. and please read this next part:

US assembling parts from other countries can hide the costs
EG
getting parts from vietnam as oppose to china can reduce the underlying parts cost which then with a tariff makes those parts indistinguishable to costs from china pre tariff.. then with the steal costs the difference is not thousands but hundreds, which can also be minimised in multiple ways

so whilst its YOUR stupid maths that thinks that a $30k car will become $75k due to your fears of excessive 150% tariff.. reality fact, data, stats are not going to be what you presume and stupidly exaggerate

do some maths, try some actual research, and actually think

the math of the steel is actually correct, atleast try to use a calculator and work it out instead of your incessant ramblings of "wrong coz franky said it" empty rants

do some math, and some research.. its been months, you have had plenty of opportunity.

[paxmao]

Again, your numbers are made up. Your calculations do not add up. You are reaching beyond your abilities (that seems constant, so leads me to think it is easy for you to get there).

 This is what is happening:

https://apnews.com/article/trump-japan-tariffs-autos-taxes-trade-5a5afd77dad958f8fae656a371df6f09

US automakers say Trump’s 15% tariff deal with Japan puts them at a disadvantage

It is very simple: Japanese auto-makers have to deal with a 15% tariff. US automakers have to deal with 25% on steel and plus for aluminum.

You just take the price of steel and pretend to know how it affects companies. However the companies are clearly saying that they are going to be put in an incompetitive position.

If Trump were making such a great deals, why would the industry say the opposite? CEOs are much more inclined to overhype, yet they are doing the opposite.

But that's fine Franky... I am sure someone believes you and not them. You just have to find that person.

your ignorance is becoming intolerable
in many topics now i have had to correct you, and yet you cant even get the hint

you keep on imagining that all cards are going to cost 15-25-100% higher then current
i have many time told you that importing a fully built car has costs that cant be sidestepped. . BUT. and please read this next part:

US assembling parts from other countries can hide the costs
EG
getting parts from vietnam as oppose to china can reduce the underlying parts cost which then with a tariff makes those parts indistinguishable to costs from china pre tariff.. then with the steal costs the difference is not thousands but hundreds, which can also be minimised in multiple ways

so whilst its YOUR stupid maths that thinks that a $30k car will become $75k due to your fears of excessive 150% tariff.. reality fact, data, stats are not going to be what you presume and stupidly exaggerate

do some maths, try some actual research, and actually think

the math of the steel is actually correct, atleast try to use a calculator and work it out instead of your incessant ramblings of "wrong coz franky said it" empty rants

do some math, and some research.. its been months, you have had plenty of opportunity.

Yep... keep it up, you know more than everyone else, you have better information,... This forum is full of people that say that - maybe some actually believe it. The common denominator is that you nor anyone else can really provide credible sources or any evidence. So, you just make up your own evidence.

I do not "imagine" anything and those numbers 30k, 150% are againg of your own fabrication.

Your basic argument, that you are trying to justify, is that "tariffs are not that important" and "the price will not increase by much". That is actually an improvement of your previous theories, but still wrong.

The fact is that even a small increase in prices eventually has to be paid and causes mayhem.  Wanna put there a 10%? Maybe a 5%? That is more than enough to f*uck companies and economic sectors.

Option (a) companies eat their profit margings - which leads to lower industrial investment and lay-offs ... OR... some companies have pricing power and pass the cost to consumers which drives inflation.

Japan actually understood perfectly well what Trump wanted. I must reckon that orientals can be very practical people.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/07/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-secures-unprecedented-u-s-japan-strategic-trade-and-investment-agreement/

Japan will invest $550 billion directed by the United States to rebuild and expand core American industries.

This is the single largest foreign investment commitment ever secured by any country and will generate hundreds of thousands of U.S. jobs, expand domestic manufacturing, and secure American prosperity for generations.
At President Trump’s direction, these funds will be targeted toward the revitalization of America’s strategic industrial base, including:
[..]

There you go. Funds invested at Trumps direction. You do not need glasses.

[franky1]

me make it up?
i can tell your fingers are not broke, so you have no excuses why you cant do a 2 second google search to realise my numbers are backed up

i dont spoonfeed you all details because you do not deserve me to spoon-feed you
the info is out there you just have to google it.. do your own research

again i gave you months to learn about certain things. so if your fingers are not broken and months of time were given, you have no excuse

you are just as bad as the fed chairman, not wanting to use real economics to come to a conclusive number.. and instead you exaggerate it like he does.. so how about you both resign yourselves from pretending your economics are good and just admit your exaggerations are based on some biased narrative

EG
this topic you mentioned japanese car manufacturing, but instead of running the numbers and doing math, and also looking for the publicly known ways to minimise costs.. you instead tried to use some $500b exert of text.. which has nothing to do with car manufacturing
you purposefully [..] cut it out from the quote.. but we both know the [..] has no mention of car manufacturing cap ex

you proved nothing

i told you months ago about FTZ/freeports. i told you about changing suppliers from china to vietnam, i told you of many other methods including final assembly only.. all of which cut down on costs and tariff impacts

go do actual research if you are so headstrong in being ignorant of my numbers.. work it out for yourself