How are some casinos running provider slots without official licenses?

[GxSTxV]

It’s been a while since I dropped any thoughts or questions here, I tend to get curious about how everything works in the casino and gambling space. So today is the day for another one, and hopefully the community can help clear things up.

Well, recently I discovered that some casinos I already know (not gonna share names for obvious reasons) are operating under unofficial licenses or some with no license at all, while still somehow offering full slots pack from providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, and others that supposedly require licensed operators…

Am I missing something here? Is there some loopholes they’re using?
And more importantly; how safe is it to actually trust those casinos? Even if the games look the same, what guarantees that they r not rigged, manipulated from the original ones.

Would like to hear what you guys know or have seen around this topic, and are you still interested to play in such casinos? Personally I never had a chance to gamble in unlicensed casino’s slots.

[Odohu]

I have gambled on many casinos, played different slot games from different providers but I have not figured out a way of knowing which is licensed and which is not. Is there anyway to know such information?

Of indeed a casino hosted unlicensed game in their platform, they can face litigation and pay through their nose. The question is, can casinos take such big risk?

[mikel_012]

Could be pirated versions of the providers, mimicking their originals, or just white label platforms that aggregate games from those providers but not directly to them.

Honestly, are there reasons to use those platforms that are probably a lot less transparent and might scam you without having anyone to resort to? We have so many reputable casinos that do things right. Let's say for example Yeet, on my signature, they are licensed by Anjoua and are built by know people on the crypto community. If you have issues, they have a reputation to keep and will be a lot more safer than white label casinos without a license.

[Hispo]

I mean, how do you even tell the difference between a casino who is fully licensed by their providers to host their games and another one which is using a pirated or unofficial/unlicensed version of their games?
Where do you find that information?

The only reliable way possible for me, would be to directly ask the game providers about the casinos which they are oficially working with or reach up to game providers through email with an specific casino name and ask if they have any formal relation with that website, otherwise it would be very difficult to tell.

Could be pirated versions of the providers, mimicking their originals, or just white label platforms that aggregate games from those providers but not directly to them.

It could be, but without the source code and the files of the slot game, it would be very difficult and time consuming to do some reverse engineering to game which looks exactly the same as the original, unless the assets of the game got leaked and misused somehow by a casino, so they can sell them under the table to other small and less known casinos which can afford the legal and full license being offered by providers.

[mcdouglasx]

Could be pirated versions of the providers, mimicking their originals, or just white label platforms that aggregate games from those providers but not directly to them.

That's exactly what I was thinking. They could just clone the game's theme and have it work completely differently in their code.


As for the OP, perhaps the licenses you think aren't yours are because in some countries you can create a license with one name and name your casino using another. It doesn't necessarily mean you're using a license that doesn't belong to you, obviously as long as it's legally documented.

[Jawhead999]

Yeah it's interesting, I search on google, they said popular gambling providers won't accept unlicensed casinos because it would harm their reputation.

Probably there's a loophole, I read they integrate the providers to casinos by purchasing their API and I see there are few third party are offered their service. They might give access to any casino.

I have gambled on many casinos, played different slot games from different providers but I have not figured out a way of knowing which is licensed and which is not. Is there anyway to know such information?

The license usually at the bottom, most of them use Curacao (GCB) or Anjouan (sickle and stars).

[mikel_012]

Could be pirated versions of the providers, mimicking their originals, or just white label platforms that aggregate games from those providers but not directly to them.

That's exactly what I was thinking. They could just clone the game's theme and have it work completely differently in their code.

And then you can't trust that they aren't rigged. Sometimes you like a provider because you know they are fair and have fun games, so you go to an unlicensed casino and play that same game just to find out that it's a copy of the game but rigged with much lower chances of success. It's the recipe to lose money when we have trusted licensed casinos.

[Doan9269]

License or not, i think we should leave that aspect for the government to control, the casinos are the best entity in this to talk about it, if they are  truly operating under a license provider of not, because they know what they are up to or less.

Some like me may not bother in search of which is operating under a license and which is not, gambling sometimes will also have to come with preference, whereby we are being selective of the gambling platform to use, this can comes by selecting for a reputable one, whose information will be credible enough to trust about.

[Moreno233]

The casino business is big now and with the rate of proliferation we are seeing now, it is expected that there could be one or two of them exhibiting some sharp practices. It is our duty to vet the platform we use to avoid playing unlicensed games, which could be heavily rigged against the players. I think we have seen several complaints of people who felt that the casino they played was not fair to them, this night be the case.

[Mrbluntzy]

I guess it's possible that such unlicensed casinos have a way (loophole) of adding those games to their casino, those games might look the same like it's from the real game providers meanwhile it's not and they make it look so. If certainly game providers doesn't allow unlicensed casinos to run their game, it clearly explains that the game are owned by the casinos and they can rig results. There not casinos am using that is not licensed and I don't know if there's any popular casino that is not yet licensed. Do people even trust those casinos that are not licensed?

[Accardo]

Players in gambling restricted territories resolve to the black market to bet, but gambling commisions have legal and strict actions against illegal casinos running legitimate software license. The gaming provider is also at risk, if caught, and none would ever try issuing license to  illegal gambling dens. Like a user said above, they use infringed copies of the software to run such casinos, and gamers are at risk of being unregulated.

[Odohu]

I have gambled on many casinos, played different slot games from different providers but I have not figured out a way of knowing which is licensed and which is not. Is there anyway to know such information?

The license usually at the bottom, most of them use Curacao (GCB) or Anjouan (sickle and stars).

You are misunderstanding me as well as the post under discussion. The post is referring to casinos listing slot games of providers without the official license of the provider. It is not about the license of the casinos but the games they list in their platform. I can verify the validity of casino license but that of the provider games in their platform is what I cannot verify.

[swogerino]

It’s been a while since I dropped any thoughts or questions here, I tend to get curious about how everything works in the casino and gambling space. So today is the day for another one, and hopefully the community can help clear things up.

Well, recently I discovered that some casinos I already know (not gonna share names for obvious reasons) are operating under unofficial licenses or some with no license at all, while still somehow offering full slots pack from providers like Pragmatic, Hacksaw, and others that supposedly require licensed operators…

Am I missing something here? Is there some loopholes they’re using?
And more importantly; how safe is it to actually trust those casinos? Even if the games look the same, what guarantees that they r not rigged, manipulated from the original ones.

Would like to hear what you guys know or have seen around this topic, and are you still interested to play in such casinos? Personally I never had a chance to gamble in unlicensed casino’s slots.

I don't know and never thought about such licenses though I always play in very well known and reputable casinos which are in the top list here in the forum. I never thought that deep if they have such 3rd party license slot provider but I know they do for the simple reason that different casinos in the top list offer different slot providers meaning they really care about every single detail including every type of license. I believe that most people can find everything they need to in these very well known and reputable casinos and I see no reason why to play in newly established before seeing a substantial feedback for these new ones.

[Floxynice]

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Am I missing something here? Is there some loopholes they’re using?
And more importantly; how safe is it to actually trust those casinos? Even if the games look the same, what guarantees that they r not rigged, manipulated from the original ones.

Obviously there are some loopholes they are using to avoid getting caught up with the law, just like players would use VPN to bypass restrictions. We might not really know how these unlicensed casinos do it, that is there little secret which they would maintain to avoid being caught.

As for players who use unlicensed casinos, that's a big risk they are taking. Some of these casinos are not scammers, they have pure intentions, just that they are still facing some challenges with being licensed, while many others could be from scammers who want to take advantage of gamblers.

To be on the safer side, it is generally advisable for gamblers to use only licensed casinos.

[348Judah]

I have gambled on many casinos, played different slot games from different providers but I have not figured out a way of knowing which is licensed and which is not. Is there anyway to know such information?

The license usually at the bottom, most of them use Curacao (GCB) or Anjouan (sickle and stars).

You are misunderstanding me as well as the post under discussion. The post is referring to casinos listing slot games of providers without the official license of the provider. It is not about the license of the casinos but the games they list in their platform. I can verify the validity of casino license but that of the provider games in their platform is what I cannot verify.

I think i should be able to get your point, which seems different form what you have been told from the previous reply from Jawhead999, a casino may claim to have been licensed under a particular provider, but the actual sense may be false claim, they can even brought a list that this are the names of the license providers we are using, of which they are not subscribed under these providers, some ma tend to lie, pretend and uses information they lack access to, this is now left between them and the organization, some may sue them, some may not be aware they are being used under fake licensing, while some may know and do nothing about it.

[BitGoba]

Honestly, are there reasons to use those platforms that are probably a lot less transparent and might scam you without having anyone to resort to?

Ive always found it a bit suspicious how some unlicensed sites offer popular slots like everything’s legit. They probably have some workaround, but that doesn’t mean they’re trustworthy. Without a license, there’s no guarantee the games are fair or anyone to turn to if something goes wrong. Personally, that’s not a risk I’d take, no matter how professional the site looks at first glance

[348Judah]

Honestly, are there reasons to use those platforms that are probably a lot less transparent and might scam you without having anyone to resort to?

Ive always found it a bit suspicious how some unlicensed sites offer popular slots like everything’s legit. They probably have some workaround, but that doesn’t mean they’re trustworthy. Without a license, there’s no guarantee the games are fair or anyone to turn to if something goes wrong. Personally, that’s not a risk I’d take, no matter how professional the site looks at first glance

That's true, those that perform tricks like this are liable to go extra miles in doing something more even worse and they are part of the reasons that constitutes why some will have to say that some casinos are not to be trusted, and to be frank, some are not actually expected to be trusted because the entire proceedings to what they are implementing were under the foundation of lies, which is uncalled for, trust must be there when using a casino, the same way they expect their users to be loyal.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

I have gambled on many casinos, played different slot games from different providers but I have not figured out a way of knowing which is licensed and which is not. Is there anyway to know such information?  

You are absolutely right on what you just stated above, and that's the exact same question I was able to ask O.P if is there any way or website people could use to check or verify if a casino is actually licensed or not. Because to be frankly speaking, I have gambled on many casinos too, and it's also hard to practically identify if a casino is licensed or not. And I will be glad if O.P can educate us more on this.
However, I made a little research on Google, and I was made to understand that before a casino could have access to games offered by top-tier game provider likes "Pragmatic Play and Hacksaw Gaming" that there are certain number of criterias a casino must meet, such as;

1. The casino must have a valid license from a recognized regulatory body (i.e Curaçao eGaming)
2. The casino must provide a solid business plan, necessary documents and must not be link to fraud.
3. The casino must have a robust iGaming platform
4. The casino must have a clear marketing strategy like, what jurisdiction the casino intends to operate and how they intend to market their games e.t.c.

However, I will be glad to know how to verify if a casino is actually licensed or not, if their is any online checker for such purpose.

[Joy_learns_crypto]

Honestly, are there reasons to use those platforms that are probably a lot less transparent and might scam you without having anyone to resort to?

Ive always found it a bit suspicious how some unlicensed sites offer popular slots like everything’s legit. They probably have some workaround, but that doesn’t mean they’re trustworthy. Without a license, there’s no guarantee the games are fair or anyone to turn to if something goes wrong. Personally, that’s not a risk I’d take, no matter how professional the site looks at first glance

Once you don’t have a license what so ever I am not trusting that sites, I won’t wait for anyone to accuse the site of being unfair, if a site can go around the rules and offer popular slot, sport games without a license then they are not going to be fair . But still how do you recognize and original license? A site can attach a fake license if they can’t pass working without a license.

[danherbias07]

If we are doubting, we could always check their customer support.

There's one slot provider called PG Soft, which has a feature of checking their legitimacy if they are really paid by the online casino to input their slots. It will be better if all slot providers have the same feature so that every gambler can check it.
I don't know the reasons behind it, but I think many online casinos now are stealing slot games just so they can continue their business. JILI slot providers is mostly the one being used by scam websites, and perhaps it's because it's easier to copy.