Is this really normal $8 withdrawal fee from spinly.io

[DPHOR]

I joined campaign and payment was made Inside spinly.io casino, since yesterday payment was sent inside the casino I have been trying my best to make withdrawal but to no avail. When I went further doing my research it was said that $8 in BTC would be charged as fee and the remaining balance is not up to withdrawal.

Now I want to know, if 8$ is being deducted from 30$ btc we should be having around 22$ which every other casinos I have came across in the forum still allows their gambler to make withdrawal. How on earth would this gambling site not allow people to make withdrawal of 22$ btc, okay do they want me to gamble with it or what?

It's my choice to gamble or not and my fund should be withdrawable, I have gambled on stake.com their charges is just 0.1$ and minimal withdrawal is $2. So tell me why can't withdraw my signature payments from the casino site?  I think it's time they calls for adjustment and allow people to withdraw the least from the casino if they must make progress because I know with this experience some other people would never want to use them.

Please if this post doesn't suit here I can move it to another place you may refer me.

[LoyceV]

First: forget about dollar amounts. Bitcoin is handled in Bitcoin.
For withdrawal fees, see this table. Maybe Pmalek can add "spinly". Withdrawal fees range from very low to ridiculously high. It's the same with exchanges, and always a good idea to check withdrawal fees before you deposit anything.

This topic may fit better in Service Discussion. Or even the Gambling Discussion board.

[bitbollo]

@DPHOR
Fees are handled differently by each casino or online service.
They are going to manage many inputs with different sizes and in some cases they justify "high value" because they are using these funds also for covering expenses for managing the wallets and so on. Check their T&C. I don't expect to see anything different there.

[Odohu]

This should be the highest withdrawal fee I have seen in a casino so far. The last time I saw withdrawal fee this high was during the era of network congestion but then there was the alternative of using BSC or TRX which had lower fees. Maybe they should consider lowering the fee to encourage more people to use their casino because $8 is a lot of money for some people.

[Solosanz]

How on earth would this gambling site not allow people to make withdrawal of 22$ btc, okay do they want me to gamble with it or what?

Does that mean the casino not whitelisted signature campaign reward? they ask to gamble or make deposit first?

Have you discuss it with the manager first? he's the only person who can cooperate with the casino's management, you bring this case here doesn't wrong, but it's not a wise move.

I ever gamble on a casino that charge such high fees and when I get reward/gift, they're not always whitelist the reward/gift. IMO it's normal, hence receiving payment through the project's account usually have this kind of disadvantages.

[Pmalek]

As you can see in my Withdrawal Fees and Withdrawal Amounts on Crypto Casinos thread that LoyceV linked to, there are several casinos where the $22 equivalent in bitcoin is below the minimum withdrawal amount. Some of them very popular in this space.

I am not a big fan of having my signature payments sent to a gambling account, but at the same time, I have participated in such campaigns. What you can do is to wait until several weeks worth of signature payments are paid to you and then make only one withdrawal, paying the withdrawal fees only once and getting a bigger UTXO. That might not be possible for you right now since you are wearing a different signature already. I assume you are now in a new campaign.

Are the withdrawal fees fixed or dynamic? In other words, do they always charge $8 or does it go up and down? The mempools aren't nearly as full as to require so high fees, but if they are dynamic, you can wait a little to see if the casino will charge a lower fee soon.

Maybe Pmalek can add "spinly". Withdrawal fees range from very low to ridiculously high.

There are some other names that I need to include in the list as well. I will try to do that in the near future.

[Wiwo]

I joined campaign and payment was made Inside spinly.io casino, since yesterday payment was sent inside the casino I have been trying my best to make withdrawal but to no avail. When I went further doing my research it was said that $8 in BTC would be charged as fee and the remaining balance is not up to withdrawal.

Now I want to know, if 8$ is being deducted from 30$ btc we should be having around 22$ which every other casinos I have came across in the forum still allows their gambler to make withdrawal. How on earth would this gambling site not allow people to make withdrawal of 22$ btc, okay do they want me to gamble with it or what?

It's my choice to gamble or not and my fund should be withdrawable, I have gambled on stake.com their charges is just 0.1$ and minimal withdrawal is $2. So tell me why can't withdraw my signature payments from the casino site?  I think it's time they calls for adjustment and allow people to withdraw the least from the casino if they must make progress because I know with this experience some other people would never want to use them.

Please if this post doesn't suit here I can move it to another place you may refer me.

In situations like this, the campaign participants can complain to the manager, to communicate to the team to either pay for the signature campaign from an escrow wallet or lower the withdrawal fees for sig participants payments.

$8 fees is quit expensive and we shouldn't allow such despit being the right of the casino to set whatever fees their want but most casinos have a relatively lower fees.

[God Of Thunder]

Now I want to know, if 8$ is being deducted from 30$ btc we should be having around 22$ which every other casinos I have came across in the forum still allows their gambler to make withdrawal. How on earth would this gambling site not allow people to make withdrawal of 22$ btc, okay do they want me to gamble with it or what?

First, I expected to be mentioned in this thread since I am handling their campaign. Second, you should have posted this on my campaign thread since it is related to the signature campaign payment, or you could have posted it on the Spinly announcement thread. You didn't even send me a private message. Personally, I didn't even know that the Bitcoin withdrawal fees on Spinly are kind of high. It's because I always used Altcoins when I deposited Spinly.

We decided to pay via Bitcoin because we must pay in Bitcoin if we want our signature campaign thread on the service section. Now, I argue. It is clearly mentioned on the campaign thread that payment will be credited to your Spinly.io account. Did you apply by accepting this condition? Also, did you apply knowing your payment would be $30 in Bitcoin? If so, how is Spinly.io is in fault and how are they forcing you to gamble?

Well, I agree that the $8 fees are kind of high. But they apply to all Bitcoin transactions, not to your $30 withdrawal. If someone makes a $3K withdrawal, they will be charged $8 as well.

[DPHOR]

Now I want to know, if 8$ is being deducted from 30$ btc we should be having around 22$ which every other casinos I have came across in the forum still allows their gambler to make withdrawal. How on earth would this gambling site not allow people to make withdrawal of 22$ btc, okay do they want me to gamble with it or what?

First, I expected to be mentioned in this thread since I am handling their campaign. Second, you should have posted this on my campaign thread since it is related to the signature campaign payment, or you could have posted it on the Spinly announcement thread. You didn't even send me a private message. Personally, I didn't even know that the Bitcoin withdrawal fees on Spinly are kind of high. It's because I always used Altcoins when I deposited Spinly.

We decided to pay via Bitcoin because we must pay in Bitcoin if we want our signature campaign thread on the service section. Now, I argue. It is clearly mentioned on the campaign thread that payment will be credited to your Spinly.io account. Did you apply by accepting this condition? Also, did you apply knowing your payment would be $30 in Bitcoin? If so, how is Spinly.io is in fault and how are they forcing you to gamble?

Well, I agree that the $8 fees are kind of high. But they apply to all Bitcoin transactions, not to your $30 withdrawal. If someone makes a $3K withdrawal, they will be charged $8 as well.

Sorry I didn't mentioned you or even send you a private message. At first I tried to Make withdrawal and couldn't I wasn't only triggered by the fee but for the fact that I wasn't allowed to make withdrawal of that amount and even though they have to deduct their fee at least they should allowed me to get access to the remaining balance that would be fair enough. The reason why I didn't mentioned you is that you have no problems with me as you are only managing the campaign, I raised this concern for the entire team to enable people make withdrawal of 30$ in BTC and even though they must deduct their fee at least the remaining balance should be credited to the Gamblers address.

This payment is like useless to me since I can't withdraw it from the gambling site so what else should I do with it? used it for  from gambling, meaning they are wanting me to spend back the same money to them if they can't allow me have access to my remaining balance, and of course I comply to  the rules and accepted the term but it wasn't clearly stated that they would have to charge such amount or gambler has to make deposit of specific amount before they can making withdrawal. I think as the manager you should write to them to enable people have access to their funds without either gambling or waiting for additional funds to be added to withdrawal whatever amount they wants.

Thank you.

[LoyceV]

This payment is like useless to me since I can't withdraw it from the gambling site so what else should I do with it?

I would do what mathematically gives the best odds: make one dice bet all-in to get 3 times more (assuming that's enough to withdraw) or nothing.

[AbuBhakar]

You should address this issue directly to your campaign manager since he is the one managing this campaign and create a rules that funds will be sent to your casino balance.

Normally, It should be free of withdrawal or just very minimal since Bitcoin average fee is already just below 1$.

8$ is overkill for a mere on a fund that you earned through signature campaign.

[DPHOR]

This payment is like useless to me since I can't withdraw it from the gambling site so what else should I do with it?

I would do what mathematically gives the best odds: make one dice bet all-in to get 3 times more (assuming that's enough to withdraw) or nothing.

This is very bad!
Okay what if I lose the game alone the line what would be my fate at this point?
$30 gone just like that without any thank you lol.

Well, I think that is what I would do pick any nice game then gamble.

[PX-Z]

This is what i hate when joining a campaign that requires to receive the payment through the casino. It will tend the user to use the casino and play on it, and in unfortunate times lossing them all. Now if you or most of its participants to petition and ask not to require campaign participants for withdrawal fees or use the casino first before be to able to withdraw. I remember something like this happened before.

[Zwei]

Now I want to know, if 8$ is being deducted from 30$ btc we should be having around 22$ which every other casinos I have came across in the forum still allows their gambler to make withdrawal. How on earth would this gambling site not allow people to make withdrawal of 22$ btc, okay do they want me to gamble with it or what?

tbh here, i don't know why you are complaining about it when you agreed to receive your sig payment directly to your account on the casino when you applied/joined their campaign.
if you had a problem with that, you could have simply not joined. or you could have talked privately with the CM to see if the casino could waive the withdrawal fee for campaign participants or see if they can change it to pay participants directlly to thier BTC addresses.

It's my choice to gamble or not and my fund should be withdrawable, I have gambled on stake.com their charges is just 0.1$ and minimal withdrawal is $2. So tell me why can't withdraw my signature payments from the casino site?

your funds are withdrawable, so i don't know what you are talking about. you just don't want to pay 26% of your payment in fees, which is undestandable, but that gets us back to my first point.

I think it's time they calls for adjustment and allow people to withdraw the least from the casino if they must make progress because I know with this experience some other people would never want to use them.

you should suggest they lower thier bitcoin fees on their topic, to their support, to their representative, not here on the reputation board.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

The best thing to do is, if you are not comfortable with the terms of a signature campaign, you apply for another that is favorable to you. There are lots of them to choose from lately. Maybe spinly just wants the withdrawal fee to be at $8 and probably think they could use some of the withdrawal fees to keep running their business. I think I have seen exchange also charge some ridiculous withdrawal fees, and some have refused to adjust to normal rates for months or years.

[xLays]

Way back when bitcoin transaction fees were very expensive, we could say that this kind of setup was pretty normal. But nowadays, most casinos cover the transaction fees themselves, so I would say this is no longer acceptable I mean not normal.

Some casinos even highlight "no withdrawal fees" as feature to attract players. Clearly, Spinly.io doesn't offer this kind of convenience.

I remember the Jackclub.io signature campaign too the payments were also credited directly to the casino account, but there was no bitcoin withdrawal fee at all in their platform.

[Hazink]

Now I want to know, if 8$ is being deducted from 30$ btc we should be having around 22$ which every other casinos I have came across in the forum still allows their gambler to make withdrawal. How on earth would this gambling site not allow people to make withdrawal of 22$ btc, okay do they want me to gamble with it or what?

Not that I’m supporting the casino with its high withdrawal fee, but it’s no longer something new for us to see centralized service charges that are higher for Bitcoin withdrawals. For the record, there is also a casino here on the forum whose minimum withdrawal is as high as 0.001 BTC. If you don’t have up to that amount, you can’t get your money out, and their fee is as high as 0.0001 BTC. The best way to enjoy low fees in a casino is to go with altcoins.

Since you are not allowed to withdraw your balance after the fee is deducted, you have 3 options on your table now: either you make a deposit from your external wallet to reach the minimum withdrawal amount (which the deposit might come with a wager requirement), or you gamble to increase the amount which you might also eventually lose it or better still you let go off the money until fee is reduced, 4th option could have been waiting to receive more pay from the campaign until you get to minimum but that option is no longer valid as you have changed campaign.

[DPHOR]

Now I want to know, if 8$ is being deducted from 30$ btc we should be having around 22$ which every other casinos I have came across in the forum still allows their gambler to make withdrawal. How on earth would this gambling site not allow people to make withdrawal of 22$ btc, okay do they want me to gamble with it or what?

Not that I’m supporting the casino with its high withdrawal fee, but it’s no longer something new for us to see centralized service charges that are higher for Bitcoin withdrawals. For the record, there is also a casino here on the forum whose minimum withdrawal is as high as 0.001 BTC. If you don’t have up to that amount, you can’t get your money out, and their fee is as high as 0.0001 BTC. The best way to enjoy low fees in a casino is to go with altcoins.

Since you are not allowed to withdraw your balance after the fee is deducted, you have 3 options on your table now: either you make a deposit from your external wallet to reach the minimum withdrawal amount (which the deposit might come with a wager requirement), or you gamble to increase the amount which you might also eventually lose it or better still you let go off the money until fee is reduced, 4th option could have been waiting to receive more pay from the campaign until you get to minimum but that option is no longer valid as you have changed campaign.

The option I was even thinking to work is that I can get someone who is in the same campaign to give me their address or UID to transfer to them through internal transfer but I had to understand that such option are mainly meant for exchange and not casino. I don't know if all these casinos has that option that could had been more better to pull of that my balance.
Gambling is like throwing back the money to them, because most of the games listed there I am not the comfortable with them or if that they had sportbook then I could had pick most of the sport game I think win and stake with all the amount to give me 2x or 3x of the total amount.

[LoyceV]

Okay what if I lose the game alone the line what would be my fate at this point?
$30 gone just like that without any thank you lol.

If you can't withdraw it, it's basically gone already. So best you can do is try to make something out of it. If I could choose between withdrawing nothing or 32% chance of withdrawing (say) $82, I'd pick the latter.

tbh here, i don't know why you are complaining about it when you agreed to receive your sig payment directly to your account on the casino when you applied/joined their campaign.

It gets even better when you realize OP was advertising a casino with withdrawal fees he doesn't like. Which means he has no idea what he's advertising, but as long as he gets $30 for it, he's okay with promoting it so other people pay $8 in withdrawal fees.
So apart from having to read what he gets into, OP should really stop advertising just anything that pays him! But that's lost on many people....

Gambling is like throwing back the money to them, because most of the games listed there I am not the comfortable with them or if that they had sportbook then I could had pick most of the sport game I think win and stake with all the amount to give me 2x or 3x of the total amount.

If that's the case, why are you promoting something you're not comfortable with? You sold your morals for $30?

[God Of Thunder]

Sorry I didn't mentioned you or even send you a private message. At first I tried to Make withdrawal and couldn't I wasn't only triggered by the fee but for the fact that I wasn't allowed to make withdrawal of that amount and even though they have to deduct their fee at least they should allowed me to get access to the remaining balance that would be fair enough. The reason why I didn't mentioned you is that you have no problems with me as you are only managing the campaign, I raised this concern for the entire team to enable people make withdrawal of 30$ in BTC and even though they must deduct their fee at least the remaining balance should be credited to the Gamblers address.

Look, the website rules are the same for everyone. They cannot change it for one user or a signature participant. It's not like they are not allowing you to withdraw the funds, but you do not have enough funds to reach the minimum withdrawal threshold. There are no wagering requirements or other requirements to withdraw your funds. You could have simply waited for another week's payment or gambled it to make a few more dollars to withdraw the funds. I think you have seen all the responses in this thread, and I believe it should help you understand what you should have done. I am not sure if every signature participant moves their funds every week unless it's their only way of living.