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August 02, 2025, 01:45:25 PM
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On August 1, 2025, the user pooya87 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379147 left me a negative feedback stating:
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Spreads propaganda of terrorist groups to whitewash crimes against humanity committed by the Zionist regime aka Israel and its terrorist proxies including al-Qaeda and ISIS. Crimes they have been found guilty of by the International Court.

Their radicalism and abusive language trying to silence the truth is clear in the ref.


This statement is false, defamatory, and grossly misrepresents the content and intent of my posts.

Here is a point-by-point refutation:
1. I do not spread propaganda of terrorist groups.
2. I do not spread propaganda of Israel.
3. Moreover, I have not justified the actions of Israel.
4. I have not justified al-Qaeda or ISIS.
5. In fact, I have never even mentioned al-Qaeda or ISIS in my posts.
6. I have not expressed or displayed any form of radicalism.

First of all — and most importantly — my criticism was aimed directly at pooya87 himself.
I called him an Iranian propagandist and “my gentle, sweet, tender little piglet.”
I criticized Iranian anti-Western propaganda, drawing explicit parallels between Iranian terrorist propaganda and Soviet disinformation — as well as the propaganda of Putin’s regime in Russia.

I was mocking pooya87 for parroting the same narratives used by the USSR and modern Russia. I did it sarcastically and for entertainment.
I also exposed various anti-Western manipulation tactics used by pooya87 and pointed out that these methods are aimed at naïve Europeans who lack critical thinking skills.

All of this is publicly verifiable, for example in this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5551741.0

Secondly, pooya87 writes in my trust feedback:

“Their radicalism and abusive language trying to silence the truth is clear in the ref.”

LOL — he literally calls me “they”.
An Iranian using woke gender terminology… while people with such identities would face a much more tragic fate in Iran.
I absolutely protest being called “they.” I’m a white, hairy, fat, strong, jacked dude. My pronouns are HE/HIM.

Thirdly, I honestly don’t even care about the trust itself — I almost treat it as free advertising for my anti-propaganda efforts in the Western world.

However, I do care about fairness:
If I’m going to be accused of something, let it be for what I actually did.
So I’d like pooya87 to reword his feedback truthfully — for example:

“This idiot keeps interfering with my anti-American, anti-European, and anti-Western propaganda. He mocks me and also mocks totalitarian regimes. How dare he?!”

Fourth — now seriously.
The accusation that I’m “whitewashing” al-Qaeda and ISIS is a serious defamatory claim.
It’s false, harmful, and entirely unsupported by any evidence.

P.S. I fully understand that pooya87 left this feedback in response to the negative feedback I gave him earlier. That’s fair. But even in retaliation, accusations should remain factual. I have never — and will never — justify al-Qaeda or ISIS.

P.S.2. If I chose the wrong section, I kindly ask the moderators to forgive me—I was genuinely trying to find the correct section for this topic.

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August 02, 2025, 01:51:49 PM
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On August 1, 2025, the user pooya87 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379147 left me a negative feedback stating:
Your topic is posted inaccurately in Meta board that is for forum related discussions.

Your topic is about your personal issue and reputation so it is more accurately to post it in Reputation board.

At a page bottom left, click on Move topic and choose Reputation board in Move to box, then click Move topic to finish.











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August 02, 2025, 02:00:53 PM
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Your topic is posted inaccurately in Meta board that is for forum related discussions.
Your topic is about your personal issue and reputation so it is more accurately to post it in Reputation board.
At a page bottom left, click on Move topic and choose Reputation board in Move to box, then click Move topic to finish.
thanks very much ! my bad

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August 02, 2025, 02:23:47 PM
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In principle I do not agree that people should be red-tagged for political opinions, but when deaths are involved I see it as understandable to a certain extent.

LOL — he literally calls me “they”.
An Iranian using woke gender terminology… while people with such identities would face a much more tragic fate in Iran.
I absolutely protest being called “they.” I’m a white, hairy, fat, strong, jacked dude. My pronouns are HE/HIM.

This may simply be because he is using an online translator. You can tell that online translators are woke because they use “they” by default. I think you've got a bit of a grudge against each other and anything adds fuel to the fire, as in this example.


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August 02, 2025, 02:26:45 PM
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Too much political drama for me to get involved while on vacation, so I'll just leave this here:
The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

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Last edit: August 02, 2025, 02:47:17 PM by farsky
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In principle I do not agree that people should be red-tagged for political opinions, but when deaths are involved I see it as understandable to a certain extent.

LOL — he literally calls me “they”.
An Iranian using woke gender terminology… while people with such identities would face a much more tragic fate in Iran.
I absolutely protest being called “they.” I’m a white, hairy, fat, strong, jacked dude. My pronouns are HE/HIM.

This may simply be because he is using an online translator. You can tell that online translators are woke because they use “they” by default. I think you've got a bit of a grudge against each other and anything adds fuel to the fire, as in this example.
Oh, actually, it’s just a joke. I just found it funny that a member of Iran’s homophobic society called me “they.”
But I’m not offended at all — he can call me “she,” “it,” or… whatever he likes )) I’m not a homophobe, I respect the LGBT community, and there’s no way to offend me that way.

Too much political drama for me to get involved while on vacation, so I'll just leave this here:
The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.
I would like to challenge this point a little.

The trust system is in practice used not only to indicate trustworthiness in the context of personal trades (between users), but also to call out liars, trolls, deliberate misleaders, and promoters of various scam models.
And yes, since the forum includes a Politics & Society section, why shouldn’t the trust system also be used to warn other users when someone is clearly trying to brainwash them with dishonest propaganda?

In today’s world, words, information, and disinformation have become both commodities and weapons.
Shouldn’t we be allowed to publicly point out when someone is spreading anti-Western propaganda?

Besides, back to the realm of P2P trades — would anyone really want to do business with someone who openly expresses contempt for the entire Western world while pushing anti-Western narratives?

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In principle I do not agree that people should be red-tagged for political opinions, but when deaths are involved I see it as understandable to a certain extent.
This is indeed a very serious matter.
We’re talking about the propagation of hate and anti-Western narratives — when a skilled, polite, and intelligent propagandist tries to convince Europeans and Americans that their countries are evil, even calling them terrorist states.
It’s destructive propaganda.

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August 02, 2025, 02:51:06 PM
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This is partly the reason I only visit the politics and society section only once in a while because politics, be it local or international,  is a very sensitive matter and people get punished for their political views. The situation in the Middle East is a very delicate one that involves a lot of lives, it would have been better one stay out from discussing them to avoid earning some enemies. It is not just like ordinary politics such as we habe here in which during our last general elections, we were fighting for politicians meanwhile the people we were fighting for were partying together and laughing at us.

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In principle I do not agree that people should be red-tagged for political opinions, but when deaths are involved I see it as understandable to a certain extent.


If I started tagging folks for their opinions then more then half the forum would have a red tag. It's just not needed, people can have an opinion you do not agree with. Just go on about your day and don't get upset if you don't agree with each other.

@OP you did the same to him. Looks like you both tagged each other. Might wanna remove your tag if you're gonna complain about his.

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August 02, 2025, 04:54:43 PM
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You're right, its a dumb use of the trust system, and frankly (according to me, anyway) pooya87 shouldn't even be on DT at all. I don't know how you could "silence the truth" as you don't have any kind of moderation power on this forum.

However, your trust against pooya87 is equally dumb and you should remove it. Doing some kind of tit-for-tat retaliation doesn't help your case. It just looks petty.

I dunno if pooya87 even cares about being DT or not but if they do they won't leave politically-motivated trust ratings in the future.

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August 02, 2025, 05:24:18 PM
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What I am seeing here is a complete wrong use of the trust system and feedback retaliation. I think the former is worse than the later.
Although, I don't know theymos's opinion about retaliation in the trust system. But I personally think retaliation will only be fine and fair if both party are on DT or both parties are not on DT (the later is preferable).

Trust feedback is for trading. Someone's political believe might differ from urs (even if it's wrong) but the person can be trustworthy to be traded with. If for instance all Ukrainians start using red tag on Russians and vice versa, the red tag would be abused 100%.

As someone said above, OP if you want your neg tag to be removed, first removed yours.


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We have seen it all, people even left negative feedback for calling out each others dumb. From last a few years unfortunately the feedback system hardly is giving the essence of identifying a scammer just by seeing the red rating, you have to read the feedback page before making a judgement about a user. It used to be very simple back then.

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I won't say nothing new - it's wrong use of trust system. Like I would wish if people would get red-tagged for spreading Russian propaganda, but it's not how trust system works. I'm not surprised that this feedback comes this user, considering his rhetoric.
But I think that you're not right too. You left him feedback before he did and it's for same reasons. Persoanlly, I would remove it or make it neutral.

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P.S. I fully understand that pooya87 left this feedback in response to the negative feedback I gave him earlier. That’s fair. But even in retaliation, accusations should remain factual. I have never — and will never — justify al-Qaeda or ISIS.

If you fully understand pooya position, why you came to reputation board and post this drama? If I understood well, you gave him negative trust because of you think he echoing narratives of authoritarian regimes (based on your perspective), then when he gave you negative trust for a similar reason, you came here as a crying boy calling the community "Come see pooya the bad guy who miss use the trust system". Right?

I share with pooya the majority of his perspectives, although we don't have the same vision angle in many other topics especially those directly related to Iranian regime. I did never think it's accurate to use the trust system to judge different interpretations in politics and religious topics. And there are many active users in P&S board who don't share pooya's opinions, but did never pooya red tag one of them because of this. You left him a negative trust first for non valid reason, he just respond to that rating. Pooya is a veteran member and a real asset for our community and i am pretty sure everybody trusts him, but this is never mean that we all share with him his side of the story regarding global political issues.

Both of you missuse the trust system. If you don't like his opinions, simply use the ignore option. If you think his opinions can be considered as a threat to others, report his posts to moderators.

I am pretty sure that all this drama will end if op chose to delete his negative feedback on pooya profile instead of creating more drama.

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Too much political drama for me to get involved while on vacation, so I'll just leave this here:
The system is for handling trade risk, not for flagging people for good/bad posts/personalities/ideas.

This^

Most of my interaction with Pooya87 has been in the technical boards, where he's been very helpful and knowledgeable.  Although I don't venture into the political boards much, I have noticed (and being of Palestinian ethnicity, appreciate) his anti-Zionist stance.

Having said that, I do think this is an inappropriate use of the trust system.  I would encourage both parties to remove those tags.  The political board is full of contentious discourse.  Egos are bound to clash, epithets are bound to be dropped, and feelings are bound to be hurt.  If this became commonplace use of the trust system it would lose its value for its intended purpose.

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Someone's political stance or ideology does not make them untrustworthy in any way. I read through the reference and cannot find any information in it that suggests radical ideas (not that it would make the feedback justifiable).

LOL — he literally calls me “they”.
As this a privacy focused forum, we are usually not aware of the gender of the person we are chatting with, "they" can be used to refer to people in that situation.

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Using trust like this is wrong. However, trust system is not moderated. Unfortunately, there are many people who misuse the trust system and you can even see this in the Default Trust network. The trust system is a well-intentioned idea but poorly implemented. It would actually be better for the site if it didn't exist at all. The trust system is used for many things that have nothing to do with trading. It's full of people who abuse it for their own benefit.

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However, your trust against pooya87 is equally dumb and you should remove it. Doing some kind of tit-for-tat retaliation doesn't help your case. It just looks petty.

OP - I would have commented against pooya87 but being a hypocrite does not help you.  

It would actually be better for the site if it didn't exist at all. The trust system is used for many things that have nothing to do with trading. It's full of people who abuse it for their own benefit.

Terrible idea - DT has saved many a newbie - who we should protect.  Use your staff position to urge change to the way DT is calculated!  For example, one agreed change between the scammers and busters like myself would be to ban members from DT that have either admitted to or have been lawfully judged to have done something substantially harmful to the forum or bitcoin community.    Kind of like how Tecshare was banned, but the reason obviously needs to be made public.


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Unfortunately, there are many people who misuse the trust system and you can even see this in the Default Trust network. The trust system is a well-intentioned idea but poorly implemented. It would actually be better for the site if it didn't exist at all. The trust system is used for many things that have nothing to do with trading. It's full of people who abuse it for their own benefit.

While this is still somewhat true, I think its a lot better than it used to be. The current DT system is a loose but effective set of checks and balances, wherein if anyone gets too unruly with their trust ratings, they eventually find themselves off DT. One thing there is definitely too many of is positive trusts for non-trade related issues. There are currently only a few members that issue negative tags for non-trade related matters, much fewer than in previous years.

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Your recent post history is a dumpster fire of deranged insults and posts seemingly written with the help of AI. Maybe your opinions, as unhinged as they might be, didn’t deserve negative trust, but spamming the forum with incoherent, repetitive nonsense might warrant this sort of tag based on precedents set by other members.

You pointed out yourself that trolling deserves negative trust. If that’s the standard you want to go by, then the tag is deserved. I don’t know if this is another of Excimer’s alt accounts but the trolling, spamming, spreading disinformation, harassing other users, and instigating drama the same way you are doing makes it highly probable you are connected.

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The feedback pooya87 left for you has been removed but the retaliation feedback you left for him is still there. As you were quick to create this thread in order to contest the feedback he left, you should have been equally quick to remove your retaliatory feedback for him too.

On August 1, 2025, the user pooya87 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=379147 left me a negative feedback stating:
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Spreads propaganda of terrorist groups to whitewash crimes against humanity committed by the Zionist regime aka Israel and its terrorist proxies including al-Qaeda and ISIS. Crimes they have been found guilty of by the International Court.

Their radicalism and abusive language trying to silence the truth is clear in the ref.

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