Can Trump change the worldview of Russians?

[Scarabus]

In Russia, the Putin’s propaganda instill the hatred for the West to Russians. One of its ideological points is the excesses in the West relating LGBT – unpleasant gay parades, transgender athletes in big sports, and so on. The Putin’s propaganda manipulatively states that these excesses are caused by democracy, especially in Europe, and the word “democracy” is partly connected for the Russians to same-sex marriages (”Gayrope”). In reality, the situation is vice versa: the problems of the Western countries are caused by the lack of democracy (the ruling Left ignore the will of people). The Left has created a meme “democracy is not the power of majority, but the protection of minorities”, and pro-Putin Russians have believed in this meme. But recently the Americans had elected Trump; and the Trumpism is ideologically close to Putinism – Trump dislikes things like gender diversity too. So my question is, maybe eventually Trump will change the relation of Russians to democracy? What is he doing now to stop such things as promoting transgender athletes in sports?
I believe that there is a very easy way for Trump to stop the war in Ukraine: he must initiate an all-US referendum with suggestions to prohibit big sports for transgenders, and establish that there are only two genders, men and women. If such a referendum is performed, Russians will experience a cognitive dissonance – they will realize that democracy leads to prohibiting gender diversity – and their worldviews will evolute, so they would stop supporting Putin and his war. This is so simple…

[Hispo]

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I believe that there is a very easy way for Trump to stop the war in Ukraine: he must initiate an all-US referendum with suggestions to prohibit big sports for transgenders, and establish that there are only two genders, men and women. If such a referendum is performed, Russians will experience a cognitive dissonance – they will realize that democracy leads to prohibiting gender diversity – and their worldviews will evolute, so they would stop supporting Putin and his war. This is so simple…

I believe you are simplifying the problem of Puting being the ruler of Russia and the actual factors which keep him in his position of power, though. Russian propaganda, as any other kind of propaganda, adapt to continue to keep people oppressed and picture the leader and the government as superior, not matter what the adversary does in the west.
Russian people will not experiment cognitive dissonance, because the Klemlin won't simply broadcast policies done by Trump which contradicts their discourse, they will continue to give a spotlight and cherry pic whatever Trump and the leaders of Europe do which goes along with the official discourse of the Kremlin.
Also, Putin is authoritarian he does not care whether the population experiments contradictions, he will stay in power by force of he believes it is necessary.

[paxmao]

Nope, the vision of the world by the current Ruzzian government is actually the same as Trump's. They both believe in spheres of influence and the use of cohercion even to their own allies.

At this moment Putin has painted himself into a corner. By promoting a vision of an Ukraine that is "not really a estate" and de-legitimising the current Ukrainian government plus setting in the Ruzzian constitution an ownership of regions he does not control has made now politically extremely difficult any concession or even an agreement.

Ukraine on the other side has a similar political limit. Concessions of land other than the occupied would result in the government replaced and no deal reached. Even recognising the occupied land as Ruzzian is nearly impossible.

Bottom line, what Trump can change is the balance of power, so this war is finally resolved by mere frontline advances.

If Trump allows Ruzzia to take large parts of Ukraine, Trump will be seen as weak (and China is observing). However, I think that if Ukraine achieves a turning point and starts to recover even parts of the territory occupied (and there was a bit of that these last weeks), Ruzzia will start thinking about some short of compromise.

I belive that as of now, Ruzzia has diminished greatly their armoured attacks, and is increasing the drone production. However drones are a weapon of terror but unlikely to win a war in the short term.

My thinking is that Ruzzia is weaker than at the start of the war in economy and army. A full mobilisation equates probably to a bankrupcy and the propaganda point of "nothing is really happening" will be even less sustainable.

I am thinking that Ukraine will have to hold for another year and if there is will from US the war could be pressured into getting Ruzzia to a deal.

[Ucy]

There is a thing called western culture which the entity in control of the west tries to associate with liberal idealogy, albeit a false liberalism. This entity in control try as much as possible to pervert Christain principles which is likely where the western culture is copied from but wrongly.

I think when someone like Putin refers to the west he is referring to people,society or countries where this culture is widespread.
Ofcourse, it is an autocratic culture but deceptively promoted as democracy. I have witness how "leaders" who are allies or subjects to the west get rigged into power by intentional promotion of lies, and they even help keep the leaders in power via more lies. So, this is likely part of what the people who choose the wrong leaders are falling for. If they refuse to fall, the entity tries to destroy or déstabilize their communities. Or even shame them via bad publicity to make the minority or rest of the society hate them. In many cases the majority of this people tend to give up and support the degens.


I do not agree with everything Russia says, for example, there was a  recent quote by her that seems to suggest that cooperation is ok while competition is bad, I was abit disturbed by that because the continent she is trying to promote that in is deep in competition despite not being very wealthy in the eyes of the world. Besides, competition (and also cooperation), but in healthy way, is part of Christain. principles. And I tend to see Russia as a Christian society that is gradually losing it, like the west, but at a slower pace (compared to the west). A true Christian would understand that there is part of the scripture that support competition, and even the kids in schools are competing for higher grades.


This deviations are actually what create problems for christains societies and their leaders. So, I doubt they can collaborate in harmony unless everyone operate based on true Christain principles, which is extremely progressive principles if the true interpretation of the scripture is fully followed.

[BADecker]

There isn't really any world view of Russians. Loads of people don't even realize that Russia is as militarily strong as it is. Loads of people (probably the majority) are too busy trying to eek out a living to even look at the propaganda news one way or another.

The West is made up of people who have a background of believing in God through reading the Bible and going to church. Many of these people are being influenced by news propaganda into turning away from God, and moving into paganism and disobedience against God's laws and Jesus's salvation.

Many Russians simply believe in God, many being reinforced by Putin's going to church. But these Russian people know far less about the God they believe in than do the Western peoples. However, their lack of God knowledge may be the thing that is keeping them faithful to God... what they think is God.

DEMOCRACY really has turned into a word that means rule by a small group... a dictatorship of sorts. Trump doesn't mean much to anybody except those who focus on him. They don't really understand his teachings or Putin's teachings.

Trump IS stopping the war in Ukraine. It might be by accident in some ways. But if Ukraine didn't get technology and armament from the West, there wouldn't even be any war. Trump is slowing the war down, at least, even if by accident.


DARPA's Theory of Mind Warfare


https://internationalman.com/articles/darpas-theory-of-mind-warfare/
This effort is designed to give national security decision-makers the ability to model, simulate, and ultimately anticipate the intentions and behaviors of adversaries using a combination of advanced algorithms and human expertise.

At its core, the program aims to:

Build algorithmic models that "decompose" adversary strategies into elemental behaviors.

Use massive data—signals intelligence, open-source information, even social media—to create high-fidelity "avatars" of enemy decision-makers.

Simulate possible responses to a range of U.S. and allied actions, exploring which ones best deter, incentivize, or nudge adversaries toward preferred outcomes.

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How These Systems Shaped Public Minds
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[Scarabus]

I believe you are simplifying the problem of Puting being the ruler of Russia and the actual factors which keep him in his position of power, though. Russian propaganda, as any other kind of propaganda, adapt to continue to keep people oppressed and picture the leader and the government as superior, not matter what the adversary does in the west.

I live in Russia and I am sure I am right. Ispiring the hatred to the West and to Ukrainian's Maidan in necessary for keeping the people believe that a democratic revolution is a bad idea.

Russian people will not experiment cognitive dissonance, because the Klemlin won't simply broadcast policies done by Trump which contradicts their discourse, they will continue to give a spotlight and cherry pic whatever Trump and the leaders of Europe do which goes along with the official discourse of the Kremlin.

I believe it is almost impossible for Putin to make Russia more isolated for preventing the Russians to know such things. Besides other reasons, there are a lot of hidden oppositioners everywhere, including the TV, which will use any possibility to broadcast such information.

Also, Putin is authoritarian he does not care whether the population experiments contradictions, he will stay in power by force of he believes it is necessary.

If the rating of Putin decreases, any general will easily overthrow him and become a national hero.

[yslyv]

While I was living in Russia, I observed that Russians tend to have harsher views toward LGBT individuals. I'm not sure whether this is truly the result of Putin's anti-LGBT ideological propaganda or due to geographic or cultural factors. But it's interesting that Trump shows a similar attitude.

[Hispo]

While I was living in Russia, I observed that Russians tend to have harsher views toward LGBT individuals. I'm not sure whether this is truly the result of Putin's anti-LGBT ideological propaganda or due to geographic or cultural factors. But it's interesting that Trump shows a similar attitude.

Sure, it is part of the propaganda of the Kremlin. If you have a complete generation of Russian being rosen up in a country which actively demonized people who are not straight and using the state media to do so, one can only expect such generation to off very homophobic ideas in the broad light with nobody trying to counter their narrative. It is similar to what happened in Italy and in Nacional socialist Germany when both Mussolini and Hitler were asked about homosexuals in their countries, they were tagged as undesirables, freaks and scum of their societies.
In the case of the United States, it is not so easily to be openly homophobic, since due to their separation of power one needs to stick to a minimum of power correctness in order to get elected for public office. Trump would have not dared to say half of the things he is willing to openly talk about now when he was a candidate, because every candidate in western democracies need to keep a façade.

[IjawMan]

While I was living in Russia, I observed that Russians tend to have harsher views toward LGBT individuals. I'm not sure whether this is truly the result of Putin's anti-LGBT ideological propaganda or due to geographic or cultural factors. But it's interesting that Trump shows a similar attitude.

On individual level of views this is where this two leaders D. Trump and V. Putin shares similar resentments on the idea of LGBTQ and can gladly shakehands about it. In contrast to Russians apart from Putin stand against LGBT the Russia are people with strong priority to their culture and norms. Americans are too flexible in embracing different ways of life onto self-freedom opposed to strict morals. This explains why their views on LGBT regardless of Trump stands against it.

[paxmao]

While I was living in Russia, I observed that Russians tend to have harsher views toward LGBT individuals. I'm not sure whether this is truly the result of Putin's anti-LGBT ideological propaganda or due to geographic or cultural factors. But it's interesting that Trump shows a similar attitude.

Sure, it is part of the propaganda of the Kremlin. If you have a complete generation of Russian being rosen up in a country which actively demonized people who are not straight and using the state media to do so, one can only expect such generation to off very homophobic ideas in the broad light with nobody trying to counter their narrative. It is similar to what happened in Italy and in Nacional socialist Germany when both Mussolini and Hitler were asked about homosexuals in their countries, they were tagged as undesirables, freaks and scum of their societies.
In the case of the United States, it is not so easily to be openly homophobic, since due to their separation of power one needs to stick to a minimum of power correctness in order to get elected for public office. Trump would have not dared to say half of the things he is willing to openly talk about now when he was a candidate, because every candidate in western democracies need to keep a façade.

To be honest, there are more countries with harsh views and even legal penalties for LGBT than countries that are liberal on that regard.

However, in Ruzzia they need children. The country is in a full economic decline so they need Ruzzians making more little Ruzzians not doing gay stuff. This also is ideologically interesting for the Kremlin as it passes as a "diference" with "the West"... you know there's a word "Gayrope" so Gay Europe. The Krenlim taps on the prejudices to convince their own people that their system (Putin's system) is superior because it is more "manly".

It is of course a total stink.

[Scarabus]

However, in Ruzzia they need children. The country is in a full economic decline so they need Ruzzians making more little Ruzzians not doing gay stuff. This also is ideologically interesting for the Kremlin as it passes as a "diference" with "the West"... you know there's a word "Gayrope" so Gay Europe. The Krenlim taps on the prejudices to convince their own people that their system (Putin's system) is superior because it is more "manly".
It is of course a total stink.

Yes, and speaking of "Gayrope", for many Russians the cause of these problems is the democracy in Europe. The Putin's ideology manipulatively states that Russia needs a Tzar, not the Western model. Such things are not strictly said by Putin, but they are implied, at least unconsciously.
Some Russians use the word "dermocracy" which means "shitocracy" ("dermo" is "shit" in Russian). As far as I know, only in German 80 years ago there was a similar word - "Systemzeit".
But if the Russians see that with democracy people can vote against transgenders in big sports, they will experience cognitive dissonance.

[montaga]

Trump is changing  the worldview of Russians, to make it worse.
Trump first makes ultimatum to Putin, then Russia says you know we have copy of Epstein files too not only Mossad.
Trump you know what forget the ultimatum lets have a meeting und you can have eastern Ukraine
Trump lets extend the war in Gaza but end the other
Trump has no say anywhere, he is a puppet on strings

[paxmao]

Trump is changing  the worldview of Russians, to make it worse.
Trump first makes ultimatum to Putin, then Russia says you know we have copy of Epstein files too not only Mossad.
Trump you know what forget the ultimatum lets have a meeting und you can have eastern Ukraine
Trump lets extend the war in Gaza but end the other
Trump has no say anywhere, he is a puppet on strings

I think I mentioned before, but at this point, Trump controlling mostly the Senate, certainly the SCOTUS and having direct channels to engage or dis-inform his electorate, could probably survive nearly any escandal.

It would be blamed on Democrats for whatever weird reason, would be denied and anyone trying to investigate would probably be fired, destroyed or whatever.

[Shova]

A world view is built by centuries of diplomacy and mutual interactions. A few people are insignificant as they are not in power long enough.

[montaga]

Trump is changing  the worldview of Russians, to make it worse.
Trump first makes ultimatum to Putin, then Russia says you know we have copy of Epstein files too not only Mossad.
Trump you know what forget the ultimatum lets have a meeting und you can have eastern Ukraine
Trump lets extend the war in Gaza but end the other
Trump has no say anywhere, he is a puppet on strings

I think I mentioned before, but at this point, Trump controlling mostly the Senate, certainly the SCOTUS and having direct channels to engage or dis-inform his electorate, could probably survive nearly any escandal.

It would be blamed on Democrats for whatever weird reason, would be denied and anyone trying to investigate would probably be fired, destroyed or whatever.

Trump not controlling anything, he is controlled.

If ICE would work, Melania would have been deported a long time ago.
https://youtu.be/2i0uKF4_Kmw

[coolcoinz]

A world view is built by centuries of diplomacy and mutual interactions. A few people are insignificant as they are not in power long enough.

What diplomacy is there between Ukraine and Russia? I'd say 0.

When it comes to Putin and his views, his whole agenda is based on lies. Lies that it's not a war, but a special operation, lies that Ukraine was part of Russia when in fact current Russia came from Ukraine because Kiev was the capital before Moscow... Putin is acting just like Hitler and Stalin used to. He wants to play big and be remembered in history as a strong leader, but all that people will remember is how many people died in this stupid war.

All things aside, let's say he's 100% right, democracy is bad, gays are bad... Murdering people with other views still makes you a murderer, even if your opinions are better and your way of life is superior. Who gives you the right to tell me how I should live? I'm not a Russian and I don't want to see armed Russians forcing me into submission.

[uneng]

It can't be that all the support around Putin's image and rejection from russian citizens to the West is based on sexuality matter. Aren't there more important and essential topics to be concerned about? Why so much fixation regards this subject in particular?

Poisoning and murdering political rivals can be justified by telling the nation is being protected from gayzism this way? There isn't actually much to say in order to convince a nation which has that kind of mindset. It says a lot about their priorities, so it's hard to prove them there are more important issues they should be worried about.

[BADecker]

A world view is built by centuries of diplomacy and mutual interactions. A few people are insignificant as they are not in power long enough.

What diplomacy is there between Ukraine and Russia? I'd say 0.

When it comes to Putin and his views, his whole agenda is based on lies. Lies that it's not a war, but a special operation, lies that Ukraine was part of Russia when in fact current Russia came from Ukraine because Kiev was the capital before Moscow... Putin is acting just like Hitler and Stalin used to. He wants to play big and be remembered in history as a strong leader, but all that people will remember is how many people died in this stupid war.

All things aside, let's say he's 100% right, democracy is bad, gays are bad... Murdering people with other views still makes you a murderer, even if your opinions are better and your way of life is superior. Who gives you the right to tell me how I should live? I'm not a Russian and I don't want to see armed Russians forcing me into submission.

The UN has written in its Charter, that every group of people can make a nation out of its land if they want. Ukraine tried to stop the people of the areas of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donbas, and Crimea (and maybe others) from making their own lands into their own States.

In early 2022 Ukraine went against the UN, and started attacking, killing and destroying its own people in these areas. Many of the people of these areas appealed to Russia to help them. Putin filed Article 51 of the UN charter to mount the police action he did in Feb., 2022. Zelensky did not listen even to Putin, but turned it into a war that he will not even give up today, even though it is destroying multiple thousands of Ukrainian people and Russians alike.

The West is guilty of helping Z push this war. The West is after Russian lands... especially the western banking system is trying to turn Russia into part of its western self. And it doesn't really care about Ukraine. Ukraine simply offers a good method for stealing Russia from the Russian people.

Note that Kiev, though it was once the capitol of the whole Russian/Ukraine lands, that it did not remain such because of its corruption. The Russian people who wanted to get away from the corruption, moved their capitol to Moscow.

[montaga]

The UN has written in its Charter, that every group of people can make a nation out of its land if they want.

Bashkortostan, Tatarstan and others very much want nothing to do with Putin and have the own nation.
Anyway another refinery gone. Komi Republic also dont want to feed the Russian war maschine. Do you approve if they have the own nation?
https://youtu.be/l2BaIWw9Fxo

After cognitive processes taken what is left to take
https://youtu.be/8disbBUhaHA

[coolcoinz]

The UN has written in its Charter, that every group of people can make a nation out of its land if they want. Ukraine tried to stop the people of the areas of Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donbas, and Crimea (and maybe others) from making their own lands into their own States.

So did Chechens, yet there was no outside intervention and Russia kept attacking until they forced the country into submission. But that's not the only group of people that wanted their own country in the last 50 years. So did the Basques in Spain, Frisians in the Netherlands, Kosovo and many many more.

Russians like to intervene when they can to help protect people's right to have their own country. They're so helpful and protective. For instance, when part of Moldova wanted to form their own country called Transnistria, Russia had to come in, and just like in Ukraine took the side of separatists against Moldova. The goal was to weaken the country, because that's what Russians like to do. They want to incite conflicts withing the borders of their neighbors. Haven't you noticed that whenever a country near Russia faces a problem with separatists, Russians run in to help, but whenever a separatist movement forms in Russia, they threaten everyone with nukes, so nobody dares to come in and Russians destroy the opposition.