India the next superpower

[libert19]

Regarding population, it doesn't even matter, every individual only needs to take the responsibility to clean his OWN mess, the whole nation's cleanliness will take care of itself.

The possibility of Indians taking ownership is next to impossible. We Indians love the idea of blaming others for everything.

Are you also deflecting responsibility here? Do you mean, I won't take responsibility for myself because rest Indians are irresponsible? 

Look, most people are conformist, the way current situation goes, one throws garbage anywhere, others do same, we must get out of this circle and make people conform to do the right thing or at least make a change with oneself and hope for a ripple effect.

[TheUltraElite]

As individuals, we should also keep cleanliness among our everyday goal. If everyone does this religiously, then the workplaces and neighborhoods will become clean by default.

But of course the roads and outside places are in the hands of the government, we can only contribute to their cleanliness to some extent.

I think we as individuals should maintain and do our part of the work properly - someone should not be able to point a finger back at us for not doing something with quality.

[JSRAW]

Log apna ghar saaf karna nhi bhulte, in fact everyone loves to keep it clean but when outside, the very same people go full retard and then "chalta hai, apne ko kya" aur "kuch nhi ho skta inn logo ka"  "mere akele se kya hoga" attitude kicks in. In reality, sometimes i am also guilty of such irresponsible behaviour.

Jab india se bahar hote hai, tab aisa kuch nahi hota but wapas aate hi phir bekaar aadat suru ho jati hai automatically. Na chahte huye bhi, ho hi jata hai kuch na kuch be it breaking traffic rules or something else.

[avikz]

What are your views on this?

Nope! Not in next 100 years!

Unless India can retire the bureaucracy from the system, India will never be a superpower. I mean it! I have worked very closely with multiple state governments and I know how this system works.

Ease of doing business is a joke in India. If you want to start a factory, you will need almost 56 licences just to begin operation. This procedure takes not less than 2 years. It's no wonder why rich people are leaving India forever.

Media houses are boasting about being one of the largest economies. The reality is that India is behind Bangladesh when it comes to per capita GDP.

Unless bureaucracy is removed from the system, nothing is going to change for next 100 years.

[henry1111]

I just heard pakistan saying abput they have nuclear the man sitting on the throne right now in India is a very notorious man.
He is not afraid nor his country is afriad. He know how to take oppurtuninties.
This warning will definitely be used somehow by India.

[henry1111]

All those taking in terms of finance I dont want to argue.
India is a land of rulers.
The soil is mixed with culture ans blood. We Indians are born fighters because long time ago people stole us.
But Beacuse it was ours it will come back to us thats the rule of nature.
So finance wise speaking growth of a company is different and growth od nation is different.
Everything is fair in love and war haha

[Bitcoin Smith]

Ease of doing business is a joke in India. If you want to start a factory, you will need almost 56 licences just to begin operation. This procedure takes not less than 2 years. It's no wonder why rich people are leaving India forever.

Well, there is a faster way and someone can get it done in matter of days which we consider as an impossible task but all we need to do is just pay them a commission of 5 -10% or whatever their demands are and things will go smooth as butter.

We also can see some honest government officials but they will be tossed year after year for doing their job in the way it is supposed to be.


About the rules and civic sense we are pretty aware but we chose to ignore it because no one is going to punish us for littering in public. But the same individual who will be working in another country where they follows every traffic rules, no honking and everything but the moment they enter the Indian airport the desi mode will be activated.

[henry1111]

See if you are taking about licenses and everything dont talk about business with me.
Do you even know how many without license under the hood bussiness are operated by people not just in india in the entire world.
If you know business no one can stop you from achieving your goals.

People is the biggest benifit trust me when I say this see yoday I will teach you bussiness  Don't you think there is an advantage of population.
And Indians are pretty hard working you love them you hate them but you cant ignore them..
And loans are so easy nowadays see the leader once leaded a state from that day till today never have there ever ruled any other party and trust me that state is amazing.
Visit Gujarat if you are looking for real tourism and culture with development and civic sense.
Now he is leading the entire country.
I'm not a bhakt but you cant ignore the fact that people are now stopping the trend of free services and asking for govt jobs private sectors are giving people good money .
And people are evolving.

See when there is a change of Decades we might have to adapt ourself with the latest trend.
everyone has to and people are also its nowadays pretty easy to make 40k people are making by swiggy zomato rapido blinkit and stuff.
So thats a good thing right
10years back where we were and were we are now.
And where we will be think think

[pawanjain]

About the rules and civic sense we are pretty aware but we chose to ignore it because no one is going to punish us for littering in public. But the same individual who will be working in another country where they follows every traffic rules, no honking and everything but the moment they enter the Indian airport the desi mode will be activated.

I guess that's exactly where we are lacking behind. Foreign countries have strict rules and punishment/fine even for the basic things.
May be that is why now it has become their habit to maintain the cleanliness but that's not the case with India.
We don't have any fine for littering and people litter without any fear. I used to think many times why don't we have fine for littering.
May be India imposes a minimal fine may be then people will start taking it seriously.

[libert19]

In reality, sometimes i am also guilty of such irresponsible behaviour.

I am also, but if you feel guilty then at least you know you should have done better and you did not, you do better next time to make amends.

Jab india se bahar hote hai, tab aisa kuch nahi hota but wapas aate hi phir bekaar aadat suru ho jati hai automatically. Na chahte huye bhi, ho hi jata hai kuch na kuch be it breaking traffic rules or something else.

Not sure, I have watched plenty content on yt and read on Reddit where there are videos/talks of Indians littering even in foreign lands. Although, there probably they are forced to have accountability and may learn their lessons.

[avikz]

Ease of doing business is a joke in India. If you want to start a factory, you will need almost 56 licences just to begin operation. This procedure takes not less than 2 years. It's no wonder why rich people are leaving India forever.

Well, there is a faster way and someone can get it done in matter of days which we consider as an impossible task but all we need to do is just pay them a commission of 5 -10% or whatever their demands are and things will go smooth as butter.

We also can see some honest government officials but they will be tossed year after year for doing their job in the way it is supposed to be.


About the rules and civic sense we are pretty aware but we chose to ignore it because no one is going to punish us for littering in public. But the same individual who will be working in another country where they follows every traffic rules, no honking and everything but the moment they enter the Indian airport the desi mode will be activated.

When someone is trying to open a business in India, they are generating employment. Employment means money in the hand of common people. Which means increased purchasing power. It again means more consumer spending. It's a chain!

So it's a pity that business people have to pay commission to the bureaucrats and government Babus to get their job done.

Honest officials are less than 1% in Indian system. Bureaucracy needs to be completely eradicated from the system if India wants to become a developed country.

[pawanjain]

Not sure, I have watched plenty content on yt and read on Reddit where there are videos/talks of Indians littering even in foreign lands. Although, there probably they are forced to have accountability and may learn their lessons.

Exactly. Even I have seen videos on instagram where Indians in foreign countries are doing the same thing they do here.
Just yesterday, I saw a video where few Indians were bathing with soap in a beach/river thus contaminating that water.
Few days ago, there were red spots like gutka near the trash in London probably. So yeah, Indians are spreading their habits across the world.

[Bitcoin Smith]

Honest officials are less than 1% in Indian system. Bureaucracy needs to be completely eradicated from the system if India wants to become a developed country.

We have a thought like we are not China because we lack the infrastructure yes it is true but we can become one in 10-15 years. But I just wonder how many startup ideas never see the light because the documentation and approval stuck in the desk for months and the VCs pulled out of the project.

We want India to become superpower like US or China but the system is not designed to work even if we do everything that needs to be done and it's not just the honest officials we also need the right policies and on time approval instead of just keep them waiting for no reason. One good thing is we are making everything online and it should progress to the next level paper works too so these officials have no choice either approve or reject and there will be no more pending.

[TheUltraElite]

Exactly. Even I have seen videos on instagram where Indians in foreign countries are doing the same thing they do here.
Just yesterday, I saw a video where few Indians were bathing with soap in a beach/river thus contaminating that water.
Few days ago, there were red spots like gutka near the trash in London probably. So yeah, Indians are spreading their habits across the world.

Some of their habits will never change, but we ourselves have to be the change and make sure we never do something that makes the country look bad.

Stuff on social media always have such negativity, its better to avoid watching such stuff.

I would say that development here is skewed to some states and it is time consuming unlike many other countries but we are still doing it and that is what matters.

[LucyFurr]

Exactly. Even I have seen videos on instagram where Indians in foreign countries are doing the same thing they do here.
Just yesterday, I saw a video where few Indians were bathing with soap in a beach/river thus contaminating that water.
Few days ago, there were red spots like gutka near the trash in London probably. So yeah, Indians are spreading their habits across the world.

Some of their habits will never change, but we ourselves have to be the change and make sure we never do something that makes the country look bad.

Stuff on social media always have such negativity, its better to avoid watching such stuff.

I would say that development here is skewed to some states and it is time consuming unlike many other countries but we are still doing it and that is what matters.

Yes those are some rare exceptions but most of them will behave in the way they are supposed to be and if not they will get into deep trouble. I have been to other countries and where they drive car by following all the rules and even Indian driving license got some power in other countries, where getting a driving license while we have valid Indian one will be easy.

India progressed a lot compared to where we were in the last 20 years that is true, but we fulfilled our potential to grow then we haven't yet.

[pawanjain]

Yes those are some rare exceptions but most of them will behave in the way they are supposed to be and if not they will get into deep trouble. I have been to other countries and where they drive car by following all the rules and even Indian driving license got some power in other countries, where getting a driving license while we have valid Indian one will be easy.

India progressed a lot compared to where we were in the last 20 years that is true, but we fulfilled our potential to grow then we haven't yet.

India sure does have a lot of room to grow and what you say is true that it has developed a lot over the last few years.
On the other hand, Indian people's civic sense hasn't seen much growth yet.
People have been doing the same mannerless things that they have been doing over the years.
That is something that needs a rapid change if we have to progress competing with other countries.

[JSRAW]

^^ majority of civic sense situations could be solved quickly if we have some sort tuglaqi farmaan about every civil servant (top to bottom), judiciary and politicians to send their family and kids to gov school, hospitals, public transport etc.

Then babus and law makers will care about good policies and on top of that excute on ground level with consequences to offenders.

[Cointikka]

Are you also deflecting responsibility here? Do you mean, I won't take responsibility for myself because rest Indians are irresponsible?

LOL! Why those outbursts? Is that not proof that you have typecast me? This is why I said that Indians kabhi bhi nahi sudherenge.

Look, most people are conformist, the way current situation goes, one throws garbage anywhere, others do same, we must get out of this circle and make people conform to do the right thing or at least make a change with oneself and hope for a ripple effect.

I guess you have not seen the world beyond your boundaries. You should have explored more while being in India. You should visit Indore if you know what I mean. I am not in this country as I have seen it, experienced it, yet I know how Indians work as I have experienced it outside Indian land. I will again say the Indian community and Indians are a different entity.

[pawanjain]

^^ majority of civic sense situations could be solved quickly if we have some sort tuglaqi farmaan about every civil servant (top to bottom), judiciary and politicians to send their family and kids to gov school, hospitals, public transport etc.

Then babus and law makers will care about good policies and on top of that excute on ground level with consequences to offenders.

Lol, that will be an epic situation though  That is really a wonderful idea and something that I wish to happen.
This raises a serious concern that if government officials itself don't send their kids to government school then why would others.
What is the point of collecting the taxes when you can't improve the education system of government schools.
Will building big statues using people's money solve this ?

[libert19]

Are you also deflecting responsibility here? Do you mean, I won't take responsibility for myself because rest Indians are irresponsible?

LOL! Why those outbursts? Is that not proof that you have typecast me? This is why I said that Indians kabhi bhi nahi sudherenge.

It was a question.

Look, most people are conformist, the way current situation goes, one throws garbage anywhere, others do same, we must get out of this circle and make people conform to do the right thing or at least make a change with oneself and hope for a ripple effect.

I guess you have not seen the world beyond your boundaries. You should have explored more while being in India. You should visit Indore if you know what I mean. I am not in this country as I have seen it, experienced it, yet I know how Indians work as I have experienced it outside Indian land. I will again say the Indian community and Indians are a different entity.

I am well aware of Indore's cleanliness, also of Sikkim, and of Asia's cleanest village Mawlynnong in Meghalaya, although I haven't been there, sure.

There are always exception, but nation is judged on majority.