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August 22, 2025, 06:57:32 AM
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How come in past, people that did not have anything, only garden with vegetables and hunting, managed to raise children?
True, the difference is knowledge.

In the past, our parents only finish elementary school/junior high school and they can't see the world because cellphone was very expensive. Now, most people are at least finish senior high school, many of them even have degree and we can see the world, almost everyone have cellphone.

In the past, people needs is only food, now it's more than just food.

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If money is the main issues in having baby or not having baby, I suggest to check all benefits that government give. Parents receive monthly child support money, after birth quite an amount. I havent checked, but maybe government also provide with food. In my country they give a huge pack of diapers when baby is born (heh, this is only for few months). I am 100% sure that there is government support, as they need to support their future voters Smiley
It's true the government give benefits for child support, but it's not enough.

Sometimes, having kids will motivate you to think outside the box and look for other means to increase your income because you already have a responsibility to take care of. If you feel that because of family responsibilities that you are scared of and refuse to get married, it means that you are not a man enough. One child is enough.
It means you have no ambition in the first place and you need something to force you to make more money? my friends usually said this, if you feel your life is flat, take BMW mortgage. Tongue

I don't know if I'm not a man enough, but I'm a hardworking person.

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August 22, 2025, 07:03:38 AM
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My kids all died.

I would have been better off not getting my wife pregnant.

Humanity is pretty much doomed.

So why make any kids anymore at all?

I really detest those that continuing their lineage means something in the long run.

Now if you like fucking and your spouse wants to have lots  of sex to make kids that's fine.

But kids like all of us are not import at all.

I say this because God whacks them with impunity.

The only people that understand what I am saying are those that had all their offspring  whacked .

Op asked and I answer.

I like to hear from people who speak from life experiences, and who can be better than you Phillipma  Grin

I don't have offspring, and I don't plan to, can you elaborate why you say what you say with sentence, "I say this because God whacks them with impunity"—  And did all your offsprings got whacked? Like all? Although, death does imply one got whacked anyhow, but I am still shamelessly asking to elaborate.

And to all who breed children for, 'old age' look here, it's possible they might die before you get old — now, don't say, we'll breed plenty, so chances of their survival are high.

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August 22, 2025, 09:04:50 AM
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What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?
I completely understand what is going through your mind, that is why you think like that, but I also have my own views regarding the presence of children in the midst of a family from an economic perspective and complementing happiness in marriage. In my point of view, children are priceless treasures, they can also be considered as a long-term investment when we are no longer productive.
Just imagine if your wife had passed away when you were 60 years old or older, at that time you would really miss the presence of a child to accompany or take care of you for the rest of your life. Wealth can give you financial freedom, but children will complete your happiness in living a life full of meaning.

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August 22, 2025, 09:22:03 AM
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unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?
This is a shallow thought, and perhaps the reason for saying this is because people don't want to go through the trouble of earning money to support their children. In our religious tradition, a child brings blessings to parents, so sustenance will flow from wherever we are willing to work to earn it. A lazy person will certainly find a way to justify their laziness, so even without children, they always make excuses.

I believe everyone has an innate desire for sustenance, and it depends on how willing a person is to work, not wait. When someone is willing to take action, there will always be a way to earn money, even if the amount sometimes varies, and children can also be a source of strength for parents.
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August 22, 2025, 09:50:41 AM
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Every enlightened couple that understands the economic situation in local and global economies will surely make solid plans before having kids, children are huge responsibility that parents must prepare themselves before having them. I have seen illiterate couples who are poor and keep having many children, I dare to challange some that I know personally why they don't go for family planning and not producing more kids. They tell me that it is God that gives children and I always ask them why God didn't give them enough money to take care of their children as they are supposed to. Overpopulation is one of the major reasons of increased crime rate and prostitution among young people because their parents could not afford to provide for their basic needs.

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August 22, 2025, 02:41:17 PM
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How come in past, people that did not have anything, only garden with vegetables and hunting, managed to raise children?
True, the difference is knowledge.

In the past, our parents only finish elementary school/junior high school and they can't see the world because cellphone was very expensive. Now, most people are at least finish senior high school, many of them even have degree and we can see the world, almost everyone have cellphone.

In the past, people needs is only food, now it's more than just food.

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If money is the main issues in having baby or not having baby, I suggest to check all benefits that government give. Parents receive monthly child support money, after birth quite an amount. I havent checked, but maybe government also provide with food. In my country they give a huge pack of diapers when baby is born (heh, this is only for few months). I am 100% sure that there is government support, as they need to support their future voters Smiley
It's true the government give benefits for child support, but it's not enough.

If a person dont want children, that person will find million excuses why he/she cant have children. If a person cant have children because of lac of money, that is an excuse for me. There will never be enough money. Even rich people wish they would have more. Any person could name million things he lack money for, even though that person isnt poor and have a good job. Child always have two parents, grandmas and grandpas are always ready to help financially or look after child when you are at work. Money can be borrowed from friend and if you tell they are to raise a child, they will never push on requesting for return. People make excuses, because they dont want to change their way of life and not ready for responsibility.

 
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August 22, 2025, 08:59:20 PM
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Logically speaking, if you are not wealthy, you should not have children because they require a lot of money to raise.

But honestly, I don't believe this statement because children can bring blessings even if you are not wealthy. However, it comes back to each person's beliefs because every country has different views. In my country, for example, it is not a problem if people are not wealthy but still have many children because they believe that children can bring blessings according to their religion.



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August 22, 2025, 09:49:32 PM
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What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?
I respect your own perspective but if you will stick having this kind of mindset, you will grow old and die alone. And that’s the sad reality having no children around that will care and protect you from all harm.

I believe raising a kid well carries a heavy obligation. That’s why others fear of becoming a parent because they think they aren’t capable and good enough. But always know that money isn’t the whole thing about raising a kid, it needs more than that. And as long as you can be a good son or daughter to your parents, you can also be a good parent as well in the future. Money is important, but raising a kid is more about love and empathy that every parent is capable to give.


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August 22, 2025, 09:58:18 PM
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What title says,

unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?
You know, having a child is really expensive. You need to have a consistent flow of income so that you can ensure a good future of your child. But we all know the joy of having a child cannot be measured with any amount nor comparable to any kind that brings joy and satisfaction. It’s still a different feeling when you have a child of your own, despite of the sacrifices that it will carry that any parent should be ready to suffer.

Having a child is a blessing. So one shouldn’t be hesitant raising a child, otherwise it’s like you are refusing to accept a blessing coming from above.

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I respect your own perspective but if you will stick having this kind of mindset, you will grow old and die alone. And that’s the sad reality having no children around that will care and protect you from all harm.

I believe raising a kid well carries a heavy obligation. That’s why others fear of becoming a parent because they think they aren’t capable and good enough. But always know that money isn’t the whole thing about raising a kid, it needs more than that. And as long as you can be a good son or daughter to your parents, you can also be a good parent as well in the future. Money is important, but raising a kid is more about love and empathy that every parent is capable to give.

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August 22, 2025, 11:02:40 PM
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unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

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Your opinion reflects on your own personality. Money is everything, so I can’t blame you if you see it as the most important requirement before having a child. You don’t want to take risk, you just want to let your child lives conveniently. And that’s also a good consideration to be honest.

However, mine is different. I see it having a child as a non-negotiable. It’s like I’m destined to be a parent, and I would love that, and I would do everything to provide the needs and even wants of my future children, despite how tough the path is to be a well-off individual.

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August 22, 2025, 11:53:23 PM
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unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

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Kids are very much important as we need them but the bad side of it is that withoutl proper planing  you might feel regretful due to not being financial bouyant before going into marriage and such person may cast the blame on the child or the wife as a reason for his misfortune. I have come across several situation where married people fight over husband not having enough money to Carter for the family. On a norms marriage or kid was sopos to be a good  thing or blessing but it turns to worst nightmare. So we need proper planing before getting married or having our kid since the economic system is hard.

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unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

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Every person should definitely have children, but if we consider it according to economic criteria, then no person should get married without being financially independent. Every man should definitely create a workplace and save money and then sit in the wedding hall, people who are not financially independent always have problems in their families. Because even after that, if a child is born, then more poverty has to be drawn in that family, where every man keeps running to different places for work and the boys and girls spend their days hungry.
All these things are seen most on social media and can also be seen among our neighbors, but this is a lack of intelligence. If the boys and girls are educated, these things can definitely be eliminated, and every person should become self-reliant and then start a family.

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unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

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In fact, economic growth often depends on family size. If your family size is too large, and you are unable to cover the costs of supporting your family, then you should not increase the number of members in your family. But for parents who are financially well-off and have a large family, there may be no problem in having children. Whether poor or rich, it is better for both parents to have as many children as they can afford to support their family.











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August 23, 2025, 09:03:23 AM
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unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

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This is a shallow thought, and perhaps the reason for saying this is because people don't want to go through the trouble of earning money to support their children. In our religious tradition, a child brings blessings to parents, so sustenance will flow from wherever we are willing to work to earn it. A lazy person will certainly find a way to justify their laziness, so even without children, they always make excuses.

I believe everyone has an innate desire for sustenance, and it depends on how willing a person is to work, not wait. When someone is willing to take action, there will always be a way to earn money, even if the amount sometimes varies, and children can also be a source of strength for parents.
Most people want to marry their partner and also want children, and in some countries, having children is a blessing. There may be people who are married but don't want children, but I don't understand the exact reason. The most common reason is that they delay having children because the woman is sometimes not ready to have them.

You're right, children can sometimes be a source of strength for their parents. Many people want to have children because it's a tradition, and I believe all countries and religions share the same concerns.

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August 23, 2025, 09:44:42 AM
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Whether to have children or not is the right of each individual, what matters is that once you have children, you are fully responsible for their lives to be better than ours as parents.
Parents should not only provide them with enough food every day but also other things like education and attention, so they can grow well and become successful individuals.
I see, especially in my country, how parents only think about having children, but their children do not receive good things, whether it is food, education, or others. It is very ironic.

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August 23, 2025, 10:19:50 AM
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Every enlightened couple that understands the economic situation in local and global economies will surely make solid plans before having kids, children are huge responsibility that parents must prepare themselves before having them. I have seen illiterate couples who are poor and keep having many children, I dare to challange some that I know personally why they don't go for family planning and not producing more kids. They tell me that it is God that gives children and I always ask them why God didn't give them enough money to take care of their children as they are supposed to. Overpopulation is one of the major reasons of increased crime rate and prostitution among young people because their parents could not afford to provide for their basic needs.
Just because you are rich and smart, doesn't make sense to have no child. This doesn't mean that you should spread your economy to just you, you could still have many kids, because that means they will be raised maybe not rich, but smart, because they would have two smart parents.

So good people should always try to have as many kids as they can, even if the child doesn't raise up in a wealthy life, that doesn't mean that they will have a bad life. People who are decent humans, will raise those children to be decent humans as well. This would be something that could grow people to make as much success with children as they can. Whereas, people who are bad, could have 10 billion dollars, and it wouldn't change a thing, bad people will have bad kids, and it would be up to kids to teach themselves who to be good.

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August 23, 2025, 12:11:53 PM
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unless one is well off himself one should not be having kids, this is my opinion.

What about you?

Do you think people live in a disabled way all the time? Never because humans will live someday and live life and human life is never the same.  I will always say when having kids. Whatever the situation, if you are married, you must have kids. The child is a blessing and the family in which there is blessing is not a crisis of money. Because I think that the one who spends it is the same income.  For example, the population is high in your family, then your income will be much higher. Moreover, I never think that it is reasonable to have kids from the point of view of the economy. But if our children are educated in good education, then their future will be brighter. And when we grow old, they will nurture us beautifully. This is what every parent's child is asked for.

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August 23, 2025, 01:53:49 PM
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Whether to have children or not is the right of each individual, what matters is that once you have children, you are fully responsible for their lives to be better than ours as parents.
Parents should not only provide them with enough food every day but also other things like education and attention, so they can grow well and become successful individuals.
I see, especially in my country, how parents only think about having children, but their children do not receive good things, whether it is food, education, or others. It is very ironic.
The upbringing of children is not just about providing for their education; yes, all these are good, and these are things that need to be provided, but the truth is that these things are not enough.

There is a lot to be done when it comes to childbearing. One of the most important things a child needs is education and morals. If these two are not there, it can be a serious problem for society. It is the responsibility of parents to give their children morals and ethics and a good education.

At least with this, they can add value to society. Parental care is a serious commitment that every parent needs to be prepared for before raising children, and if anyone is not ready for this, they should not make any plans for bringing children into the world unless they can take care of them well.

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August 23, 2025, 02:08:02 PM
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There is a lot to be done when it comes to childbearing. One of the most important things a child needs is education and morals. If these two are not there, it can be a serious problem for society. It is the responsibility of parents to give their children morals and ethics and a good education.

At least with this, they can add value to society. Parental care is a serious commitment that every parent needs to be prepared for before raising children, and if anyone is not ready for this, they should not make any plans for bringing children into the world unless they can take care of them well.
Of course raising a children or will I say training up a children is not all the educational aspect which you have also stress on, it has to do with the home training, you know there's a saying that if you want to get it right, get them young, you children at that tender age needs our care and pamper but it should also have limit because the can actually take advantage of the situation and start misbehaving that's why the parental hood is not something to joke with, you can't just call yourselves parents with performing the duty of parents.
Some parents are very careless about the whole situation,infact they don't even care about anything, what they care about is money, money, money, they empty Nanny for everything, children sometimes may even grow up sometimes knowing only the Nanny not even their really parents just because of careless parents, as far as we have chosen to be parent, we must take up the responsibilities that are involved, that's my take on this.

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