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August 25, 2025, 11:26:22 PM
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Because I have seen a situation whereby a guy with  good skill who got a job was unable to give quotation and he lost the job .Formal education is good for everyone.
I can make a good art but if I can't sell it to anyone then I won't be considered as a good artist so we can consider them skillful only if we see them to do what they are good at it. And the solution here is simple someone with a skill but lacks English to the tool to communicate with his client then all he need to do is just hire someone who is good at it so you can concentrate on what is important and that makes you a boss too. Wink

You got good grades in your academics but you lack real world skills then you can't find a job in this competitive market because people are in need of jobs so one must be good at both and also need to sell what they are good at to their employer to get the job.

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August 25, 2025, 11:37:20 PM
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Having that certificate is good no doubt, but I've also seen people that have the paper, but still didn't got a job. Why? Because they don't have any skill to offer in the first place. For me, having a skill will make you better, and having more than 1 skill makes you an even better person.
Another consideration in this regard is that we can obtain certificates easily without any pressure, and we can even obtain them even if we have never attended school or college.

I don’t know how it is in other countries, but looking at the situation in my country (where I currently live), there are many people who hold academic degrees or even prestigious certificates, yet they did nothing to earn them.
Everything becomes easy when money is the ultimate standard, including the value of certificates, which makes this seem like an unfair competition for those who are serious about what they do.
However, the difference is evident when comparing certificates or academic degrees obtained through cheating with those earned through genuine effort. Even in the job market, such practices create additional barriers, where special connections or networks often become the preferred option.

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August 26, 2025, 03:44:50 AM
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To an extend educational certificate is overrated, there are so many university graduates that I know over the years without earning from those certificates infact what put food in their table is completely not related to what they studied in school, in my country educational certificate Jobs are rarely to come by, so many graduates every year without creating job opportunities, having an educational certificate is good and also having a skill all together is the best because it will keep you in a position of not being unemployed either self employed or working for someone.

The mistake people make is assuming that having a higher education certificate guarantees a better life in terms of finding a job, but the reality is quite the opposite.
In my country, many universities produce unemployed graduates every year because the number of jobs available is very limited, and this is completely out of proportion to the number of jobs available to university graduates.
If someone lacks skills and is unable to keep up with life, a higher education certificate is useless.
Educational certificates are important, but they are not measured as a step towards getting a job, but rather as a process of having attended school.
Jobs can be created, even on a smaller scale, and if someone wants to start a business, it can also be a great place to develop one's potential.
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August 26, 2025, 04:56:59 AM
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Skill is good and educational certificate is also good. Having any of them can actually put food on your table, but the question is which of them will you let go for the other. I mean education can get you a white collar job the same way a skill can too. For me i will let go of the skill because skill without basic education is not good at all. Because I have seen a situation whereby a guy with  good skill who got a job was unable to give quotation and he lost the job .Formal education is good for everyone.

Actually, the usefulness of a document confirming education is obvious. But the skill is also very useful. After all, the employer needs a result from you, regardless of your formal education. I have seen many specialists whose hands grew out of their asses, but at the same time they had diplomas of education, certificates, and licenses...

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August 26, 2025, 05:18:54 AM
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Skill is good and educational certificate is also good. Having any of them can actually put food on your table, but the question is which of them will you let go for the other. I mean education can get you a white collar job the same way a skill can too. For me i will let go of the skill because skill without basic education is not good at all. Because I have seen a situation whereby a guy with  good skill who got a job was unable to give quotation and he lost the job .Formal education is good for everyone.

I humbly disagree to your point of view reason been that every thing has it's  advantage and disadvantage, considering the fact that the both are of great benefits to the possessor it's still important to note that one cannot be abandoned for the other ,for me I think it's even preferable having both as nobody knows where he or she could find opportunities with it ,if the collar job doesn't work for you or while aiming at a white collar job the skills can pay you off,in a country like Nigeria it requires more of skills because there no much job opportunities and it's regarded as a country where youths go to school and graduate without any hope for job employment so I'm standing on the ground that they are both essential.

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August 26, 2025, 07:40:28 AM
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Skill is good and educational certificate is also good. Having any of them can actually put food on your table, but the question is which of them will you let go for the other. I mean education can get you a white collar job the same way a skill can too. For me i will let go of the skill because skill without basic education is not good at all. Because I have seen a situation whereby a guy with  good skill who got a job was unable to give quotation and he lost the job .Formal education is good for everyone.

My friend is an excellent programmer who does not have an IT degree. He taught himself the code and learned how to make programs because he loves it. But his family is too poor to even now send him to study as a programmer by correspondence. And at a certain point, he decided to look for a job in the IT field because he saw that he knew the entire stack required by employers very well. He was invited to interviews, but at the same time they did not understand where. I think they do not like the lack of a diploma.

Therefore, my answer to the question in the topic: both skills and documents are needed.

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August 26, 2025, 07:55:45 AM
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Actually, the usefulness of a document confirming education is obvious. But the skill is also very useful. After all, the employer needs a result from you, regardless of your formal education. I have seen many specialists whose hands grew out of their asses, but at the same time they had diplomas of education, certificates, and licenses...
Being skillful is going to put you into places. While in having the document of education will also give you a lot of opportunity. But I think those with skills will be able to survive whatever happens again to this world. Having formal education is going to give you a good start but having a good skill will make you stay in the longer term to whichever career you're wanting to be. Nothing wrong to have education certificates, diplomas and other formal papers to prove what you've finished but someone who's skilled will also have those opportunities given that the company is looking for such.

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August 26, 2025, 08:01:23 AM
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Being skillful is going to put you into places. While in having the document of education will also give you a lot of opportunity. But I think those with skills will be able to survive whatever happens again to this world. Having formal education is going to give you a good start but having a good skill will make you stay in the longer term to whichever career you're wanting to be. Nothing wrong to have education certificates, diplomas and other formal papers to prove what you've finished but someone who's skilled will also have those opportunities given that the company is looking for such.
Both of skill and educational certificate most important part how to get many opportunity to be able to apply or get job opportunities in several large companies, if depend only one between skill or educational certificate I think difficult get apply for top companies.
However skill can help us more if want build up our self business without get support from educational certificate still help more for us. For awhile, senior high school educational certificate not really worth it during many top company have minimum certificate recruitment for employer as strata one degree.
If won't formal working, you can depend only with skill but looking opportunity at formal for awhile you really need educational certificate without its you can't apply at any formal job.

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August 26, 2025, 09:33:17 AM
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Being skillful is going to put you into places. While in having the document of education will also give you a lot of opportunity. But I think those with skills will be able to survive whatever happens again to this world. Having formal education is going to give you a good start but having a good skill will make you stay in the longer term to whichever career you're wanting to be. Nothing wrong to have education certificates, diplomas and other formal papers to prove what you've finished but someone who's skilled will also have those opportunities given that the company is looking for such.
Both of skill and educational certificate most important part how to get many opportunity to be able to apply or get job opportunities in several large companies, if depend only one between skill or educational certificate I think difficult get apply for top companies.
However skill can help us more if want build up our self business without get support from educational certificate still help more for us. For awhile, senior high school educational certificate not really worth it during many top company have minimum certificate recruitment for employer as strata one degree.
If won't formal working, you can depend only with skill but looking opportunity at formal for awhile you really need educational certificate without its you can't apply at any formal job.
There are a lot of high skilled people that don't want to pursue college anymore. Because they're earning good amount. Like for example, the truck drivers. I think they're ranging $90k-$120k per year in the US and there's some incentives too. While the bankers earns around $60k-$80k depending on their experience. So, in the end, it's us that will still choose which is suitable for us and if we think that we can make some money out of good education. It's true but if we want to get rich, skills will take you there.

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August 26, 2025, 12:51:14 PM
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Skill is good and educational certificate is also good.


I agree with you that education is very important, but I also believe both education & skill are good in their own ways. It really depends on the type of job, personal wishes, and the possibilities someone has in life. Some jobs need more formal education, while others value skill more. At the end, the balance of both is often the best... but I think it's a bit better to be more skilled than having many diplomas. But it's just me, I like it when someone is really skilled at the work they do, especially if it involves natural materials.



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August 26, 2025, 01:35:58 PM
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Skill is good and educational certificate is also good. Having any of them can actually put food on your table, but the question is which of them will you let go for the other. I mean education can get you a white collar job the same way a skill can too. For me i will let go of the skill because skill without basic education is not good at all. Because I have seen a situation whereby a guy with  good skill who got a job was unable to give quotation and he lost the job .Formal education is good for everyone.
It really difficult for a company to offer someone who doesn't have a certificate a job in my country except maybe a non academic work that doesn't require any formality. I don't know about any other country but to have a white collar job you need to be educated at least reach a certain level of education to qualify.

Nowadays education is not really  that special as it used to be before in my country because of the level of unemployment, most educated people end up running back to learning a skill to survive so both of them are really good and important. Although when an educated person learns a skill they can easily modernize it and get the best of it compared to an illiterate. Having a skill is really something of value.

 
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August 26, 2025, 02:27:49 PM
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Skill is good and educational certificate is also good. Having any of them can actually put food on your table, but the question is which of them will you let go for the other. I mean education can get you a white collar job the same way a skill can too. For me i will let go of the skill because skill without basic education is not good at all. Because I have seen a situation whereby a guy with  good skill who got a job was unable to give quotation and he lost the job .Formal education is good for everyone.

That way of thinking is outdated. In the past, school education was very important and prioritized because school was a way to gain knowledge from the outside world. Schools also had many books for students to learn from, which enabled people to improve themselves. However, schools in some countries are currently lagging behind in terms of progress, with education systems that lack development and standardization.

Schools or education that have unions will be useful if the school system applies skills and knowledge that are integrated into the school. After that, graduates are given a certificate as legal proof that they have attended school. However, this does not mean that people who do not attend school cannot get decent jobs. There are many jobs that prioritize skills over educational background, especially in a world that is independent and has vast openness of information.
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August 26, 2025, 09:49:37 PM
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Skill is good and educational certificate is also good. Having any of them can actually put food on your table, but the question is which of them will you let go for the other. I mean education can get you a white collar job the same way a skill can too. For me i will let go of the skill because skill without basic education is not good at all. Because I have seen a situation whereby a guy with  good skill who got a job was unable to give quotation and he lost the job .Formal education is good for everyone.
It really difficult for a company to offer someone who doesn't have a certificate a job in my country except maybe a non academic work that doesn't require any formality. I don't know about any other country but to have a white collar job you need to be educated at least reach a certain level of education to qualify.

Nowadays education is not really  that special as it used to be before in my country because of the level of unemployment, most educated people end up running back to learning a skill to survive so both of them are really good and important. Although when an educated person learns a skill they can easily modernize it and get the best of it compared to an illiterate. Having a skill is really something of value.

So bottomline, it is still a very good advantage if you are an educated person. You can add your skills and your marketability is of an edge over the others. So try to educate yourself even if it requires money as you will reap the rewards later on.

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August 26, 2025, 09:57:11 PM
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These two will definitely complement each other so we shouldn’t be choosing only one, but we should make sure to have both of them. That will make our life easier and will create more opportunities to be successful in life, because when you have educational certificate, expect that you also learn and develop your own skill within that years of completion.

However, having only one does not mean that success won’t be guaranteed, but if you can have both of them, much better. The faster you will gain achievements in life, as long as you also practice positive attitudes that would attract good things in life.

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Basic education and skill. Sports immediately came to mind. Most football players lack basic education, but thanks to their skills, they can earn money most people can't. A person can also train themselves later. Skills seem more important to me, but both are possible, but sometimes you have to sacrifice some things from education to improve your skills. In such cases, if I had to choose, I would focus on skills.

I don't think school education is as important anymore as it was in the past.


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August 26, 2025, 10:23:48 PM
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Basic education and skill. Sports immediately came to mind. Most football players lack basic education, but thanks to their skills, they can earn money most people can't. A person can also train themselves later. Skills seem more important to me, but both are possible, but sometimes you have to sacrifice some things from education to improve your skills. In such cases, if I had to choose, I would focus on skills.

I don't think school education is as important anymore as it was in the past.
When we make a wider scope, education and skills actually complement each other, it is only that some people see better results of skills that have a direct impact on the generation of income. I agree that skills can lead to easy livelihood, but the basic education offers the basis that can enable us develop ourselves more regular. Suppose that one would rely only on talent, and then, there emerged a situation where the body and circumstances might not be supportive, then such an individual would not survive without other roots.

Conversely having education without particular skill can slot in as one does not have any particular skills and does not require extensive time to learn other skills with a trained mind. I guess we should not make a choice either-or but rather to set priorities with regards to our age. Skills can promise short term success, but education promises survival over time and in real life we require the combination of both.
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My friend is an excellent programmer who does not have an IT degree. He taught himself the code and learned how to make programs because he loves it. But his family is too poor to even now send him to study as a programmer by correspondence. And at a certain point, he decided to look for a job in the IT field because he saw that he knew the entire stack required by employers very well. He was invited to interviews, but at the same time they did not understand where. I think they do not like the lack of a diploma.

Therefore, my answer to the question in the topic: both skills and documents are needed.
It depends what are you required to be coding, because it's a large field from UI design to specific languages. If you have impressive enough github, or if you manage to build bots that people actually need, you will be contacted directly.

Diploma doesn't mean anything if everyone can see what you have done, because having a diploma doesn't in any way guarantee you a job. You need to keep practicing it constantly because systems change even during the time, it takes you to finish that school that gives you that diploma.

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August 26, 2025, 10:39:06 PM
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Basic education and skill. Sports immediately came to mind. Most football players lack basic education, but thanks to their skills, they can earn money most people can't. A person can also train themselves later. Skills seem more important to me, but both are possible, but sometimes you have to sacrifice some things from education to improve your skills. In such cases, if I had to choose, I would focus on skills.

I don't think school education is as important anymore as it was in the past.
The same goes with boxing and basketball. Or let's all just say that in the sense of all sports. It's hard to be an athlete and these people are sacrificing their education for them to be trained and be better at their skill. This only proves that it's not always the educational certificate that we earn could make our lives better. But our skills will also do that for us. As for these sports professionals, these are the few people in the world that have a top notch skills on the respective sports that they are part of. And not only skills but pure talent too.

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August 26, 2025, 11:10:05 PM
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Skill is good and educational certificate is also good. Having any of them can actually put food on your table, but the question is which of them will you let go for the other. I mean education can get you a white collar job the same way a skill can too. For me i will let go of the skill because skill without basic education is not good at all. Because I have seen a situation whereby a guy with  good skill who got a job was unable to give quotation and he lost the job .Formal education is good for everyone.
You should've looked more deeper into making choices before choosing one, although, it's based on your intuitive perception but that's too shallow to me.

Skills are more profitable to me especially the high income skills that pays higher income. Skills like blockchain dev, and many technical skills are pretty much good to learn. These skills can let you earn anytime, any amount, anywhere and also come with a fulfilled lifestyle.

It's always sound awful to me why educated personal be receiving credit notifications only 12 times in a year in my country, that's too poor to me.



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August 26, 2025, 11:47:49 PM
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Why there’s a need to let go one of it when there’s always higher possibilities to end up having both of them? After all, we don’t just take decisions easily, we still weigh things first and foremost. And for me, it’s always best to realize both of them, simply because it’s the right thing to do.

Having educational certificate creates access to a good and stable job, thus making you qualified for a higher compensation, while having special skills will also lead to achieve greater heights in life. So just imagine if you can be both of them, you will definitely live a more meaningful and productive life.,

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