Satoshi Nakamoto Vs (Michael Saylor+BlackRock)

[Nothingtodo]

We are always worried about Satoshi's inactivity, wondering when he might become active and start trading his Bitcoins. But we wondered if Michael Saylor's MSTR had already taken over 3% of the total supply of Bitcoin and BlackRock had taken over 3.57%, meaning the two together had taken over 6.57%.
While Michael Saylor (632,457) and BlackRock (743,310) hold a total of 1,375,767 Bitcoins, Satoshi Nakamoto holds 5.22 percent of the total Bitcoin supply.

Satoshi 5.22% of Total Supply.
Vs
MS , BR 6.57% of Total Supply.

Who will influence the Bitcoin market more, Satoshi or MS,BR?

[Ambatman]

We is a strong word. I personally never think about satoshi supposed stash of Bitcoin
He sells, he doesn't, not really my Business.

And also BlackRock don't own any Bitcoin. They are helping investors to own their Bitcoin. They more like managers and are paid certain fee for their job.

In the case of MSTR, their survival is tied to Bitcoin success. So if they start selling it means the business is gone.
Nothing much in the Grand scheme of things. Any choice of the mentioned names selling
Would have a short term effect on the market
As time goes on. The demand would catch up to the increase supply in circulation.

[Despairo]

100% it will be Satoshi.

Words influence more than numbers, didn't you realize we no longer heard news about unknown whales move their huge stash? but we now keep hearing about the news related to big name.

So, people cares more about who move the coins, not how much the coins are moved.

[LDL]

In this case, of course, Satoshi because he is the creator.
There is no problem if someone or some organization takes over more than 90% of Bitcoin, but the problem is that if Satoshi himself becomes active and sells Bitcoin, it will definitely have a huge impact on the market.
Because he is a creator himself and he certainly knows many things about Bitcoin, including privacy, so if any development is needed in the future of Bitcoin, of course no one else can do it except Satoshi. So whether Satoshi is alive or not, he is the most powerful person in Bitcoin.

[Satofan44]

1. Michael Saylor does not personally own these Bitcoin.
2. BlackRock does not own these Bitcoin either.

The shares of both are much lower than you have portrayed, and your topic is therefore very flawed. Each of them are buying coins for any number of people and entities that are investing in Saylor's company or BlackRock's ETF.

Therefore, Satoshi has significantly more Bitcoin than what these two examples actually own. However, satoshi is gone and will have no influence on the market. I would not give you any merit for this thread because it is very flawed.

[Mrbluntzy]

The market can also be influenced majorly my retail holders because they are easily pushed by the fear of missing out but Satoshi or MS will not just sell off all its Bitcoins in one night. The reason is because MS and Black Rock are holding the coins for its value and they tend to understand more about the mission of Bitcoin which is to continue  growing in value in the future and they can dump at once since they don't know who might be buying to hold and when they are buying back, the price could be high. I don't want to talk about Satoshi's holding because we don't even know if he is still loving or not or if he still have access to these coins or not.

[Nathrixxx]

We are always worried about Satoshi's inactivity, wondering when he might become active and start trading his Bitcoins. But we wondered if Michael Saylor's MSTR had already taken over 3% of the total supply of Bitcoin and BlackRock had taken over 3.57%, meaning the two together had taken over 6.57%.
While Michael Saylor (632,457) and BlackRock (743,310) hold a total of 1,375,767 Bitcoins, Satoshi Nakamoto holds 5.22 percent of the total Bitcoin supply.

Satoshi 5.22% of Total Supply.
Vs
MS , BR 6.57% of Total Supply.

Who will influence the Bitcoin market more, Satoshi or MS,BR?

First of all I like the way the chart was being presented.

If the total supply of bitcoin in circulation is more than any other Bitcoin holder or investors, then we should always expect that either of Satoshi or microstrategy may not make any much impact on the market if they decided to release from what they are holding, because the total coins in circulation with holders are more higher than you think they are, which was the last and highest of the figures and percentage from the chart above.

[logfiles]

We are always worried about Satoshi's inactivity, wondering when he might become active and start trading his Bitcoins.

Why would you be worried about Satoshi trading his coins?

They are part of the circulating supply anyway. It's not like he is going to create some new random coins and sell them off, and it is highly unlikely that all those coins in those addresses will be moved

Who will influence the Bitcoin market more, Satoshi or MS,BR?

There is nothing to worry about here. The Bitcoins Saylor and BlackRock are hold were mined at one point and are part of the circulating supply. Why are you happy when they are buying but tend to get worried when they want to sell? It doesn't make sense.

[Ivystar5]

One action ( I mean trade or move from old wallets to a cold storage) will influence the market positively or negatively but heavy enough that even both BlackRock and Michael Saylor can't afford.

No matter how we compare them it's not anywhere close to what Satoshi will be or become once e gets active; one of my main reasons for this statement is the fact that Michael Saylor has investors who he meets up to invest in him do he could afford more bitcoin meaning the bitcoins are not just his, other has shares too and so as BlackRock only a middle man between people who can't afford to take care of there investment themselves and bitcoin.

Put together they are not up to Satoshi.

[EFS]

It's free market. Anyone can buy. Those who buy can also sell whenever they want. Why would you be bothered by some people or companies buying a lot of coins? You can also buy as many coins as you want. We all know that Bitcoin has a limited supply. More companies will buy, more governments will add Bitcoin to their treasuries. That way, a few companies in the market won't be conspicuous. Even if one day Satoshi's coins are sold or big companies sell all their coins, that means others will have bought them. So the market will find its balance. There's no point in worrying about this.

[PX-Z]

Who will influence the Bitcoin market more, Satoshi or MS,BR?

Obviously, the active ones who actively doing their business, either Microstrategy partially sell those holdings or keep buying, those will always affect the market big time. Blackrock i guess stop accumulating bitcoin but if ever they do again, it will always the same, hype. Unless Satoshi's address become active again, but the very possible to happen is him/er selling those.

[Raflesia]

Clearly, in this case, Satoshi is always a very important factor that cannot be ignored because he can quickly create dire conditions and cause them to escalate rapidly if he so desires.
Even if he were to sell all of his assets, his mere appearance (if he so desires) would cause significant changes to Bitcoin at this point, so if his appearance alone is enough to cause a public uproar, imagine what would happen if he did something with his assets.

Indeed, in the end, everything related to him, such as Saylor and Blackrock, will also have an impact, but compared to Satoshi, they will clearly seem very small.
However, on the other hand, we can understand that when he wanted to create Bitcoin as an option because he was not comfortable with the government system currently in place, it is clear that Satoshi would not destroy a project that has not yet reached its current goal.

[Darker45]

The difference is that both ^BTCStrategy and BlackRock are active while Satoshi isn't. If Satoshi starts trading his/her/their coins, then it's obvious who has the bigger influence. Even the real Satoshi merely waking up has a much bigger influence in the market than ^BTCStrategy and BlackRock combined.

In the first place, ^BTCStrategy and BlackRock don't own their companies' Bitcoin. Unlike Satoshi, they don't have complete power and control over those assets. On the other hand, Satoshi could freely decide to dump everything at once.

[roemer]

satoshi could be the same guy as ms for all we know

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

Satoshi 5.22% of Total Supply.
Vs
MS , BR 6.57% of Total Supply.

Who will influence the Bitcoin market more, Satoshi or MS,BR?

Satoshi Nakamoto can be a person or a group of people or a institutions, whatever but it is an entity.
Michael Saylor is only the CEO and representative of Strategy company, so it's better to talk about Strategy as a business entity rather than about Michael Saylor as a person.
BlackRock is another big business entity and it's not good to combine Strategy and BlackRock together for discussion and comparison with Satoshi Nakamoto.

Influence of Satoshi Nakamoto has existed since 2009, as the Bitcoin founder laid solid foundation for Bitcoin launch, existence and success over a very long time that has been more than one and a half of decade. His influence on Bitcoin and Bitcoin market will stay forever and surely is more considerable than BlackRock or any Bitcoin Spot ETFs.

[CryptoYar]

Satoshi Nakamoto can be a person or a group of people or a institutions, whatever but it is an entity.
Michael Saylor is only the CEO and representative of Strategy company, so it's better to talk about Strategy as a business entity rather than about Michael Saylor as a person.
BlackRock is another big business entity and it's not good to combine Strategy and BlackRock together for discussion and comparison with Satoshi Nakamoto.

Influence of Satoshi Nakamoto has existed since 2009, as the Bitcoin founder laid solid foundation for Bitcoin launch, existence and success over a very long time that has been more than one and a half of decade. His influence on Bitcoin and Bitcoin market will stay forever and surely is more considerable than BlackRock or any Bitcoin Spot ETFs.

You put some good arguments about respective powers of Bitcoin. Satoshi Nakamoto influence is indeed basic one, it is about very structure, concept of Bitcoin that no company can alter. Companies such as MicroStrategy and BlackRock are good because they have attracted new investors and approaches but their impact rests on monetary products, not basis of Bitcoin. Their success is connected to that of Bitcoin. Although these firms are also key players, Satoshi has more basic, long lasting impact. Hence, it is much more relevant.

[m2017]

We are always worried about Satoshi's inactivity, wondering when he might become active and start trading his Bitcoins.

I don’t know why you’re worried about this, for me personally this is not a reason to panic, because these coins have been lying motionless for many years and there are no prerequisites for Satoshi’s return.

It seems to me that if Satoshi managed just fine without the money he could have gotten from selling bitcoin, then he doesn’t need this money.

But we wondered if Michael Saylor's MSTR had already taken over 3% of the total supply of Bitcoin and BlackRock had taken over 3.57%, meaning the two together had taken over 6.57%.

Besides Michael Saylor, there are other players on the BTC-market, smaller, but there are many of them, who can influence the BTC-market value by selling bitcoin. Are you worried that if big investors, like MSTR, start selling, they will collapse the BTC-market? This can also happen when ordinary small investors start selling in panic mode due to negative news. This has happened more than once, and in such cases, big investors, like Saylor, continued to hold or even, on the contrary, accumulate. Therefore, you are afraid of danger from one direction, while it can be from a completely different one.

[crwth]

I've never seen it like this, but no matter what, they are saving their BTC, and that's fine with me. In your post, it seems that Saylor and BlackRock work together. Has it always been the case? I have always seen that Saylor is in his own here and keeps on DCA-ing continuously.

There's nothing to worry IMO.

[edroi]

We are always worried about Satoshi's inactivity, wondering when he might become active and start trading his Bitcoins. But we wondered if Michael Saylor's MSTR had already taken over 3% of the total supply of Bitcoin and BlackRock had taken over 3.57%, meaning the two together had taken over 6.57%.
While Michael Saylor (632,457) and BlackRock (743,310) hold a total of 1,375,767 Bitcoins, Satoshi Nakamoto holds 5.22 percent of the total Bitcoin supply.

Satoshi 5.22% of Total Supply.
Vs
MS , BR 6.57% of Total Supply.

Who will influence the Bitcoin market more, Satoshi or MS,BR?

i think the difference is not only about who holds more bitcoin but also about how they might use it... satoshi's coins are like a sleeping giant and untouched for years almost like a symbol.. if he ever moved them the shock could be huge because people see them as sacred.. on the other hand michael saylor & blackrock are active players.. they buy, they talk, they influence investors and their actions affect market confidence right now.. so even if satoshi holds a large amount his silence has made his coins more of a mystery than a market force.. i mean satoshi has the bigger shadow but saylor & blackrock have the louder voice in todays market

[Popkon6]

Here Satoshi created Bitcoin so Satoshi's role is not comparable to him, but Michael Saylor and BlackRock are only Bitcoin holders. They get paid a certain amount at the end of the month and have helped collect / hold Bitcoin, but if BlackRock and Microstrategy companies sell Bitcoin, they can create some dumping in the market for a while.
Because they are the highest Bitcoin holders among the few companies that exist, so if they want to sell all the Bitcoins, in this case there will be some change in the market, but this will later push the price of Bitcoin to a higher level. So I think it is foolish to compare BlackRock and MSTR companies with Satoshi.