ACCESS TO CLEAN WATER

[Hewlet]

The problem is that the community people might die of hunger because their farmlands have been polluted which will kill the crops and the river where these community people get drinking water is also polluted, killing aquatic animals and making the river unfriendly for fishing. I feel that the government are not the problem but our heads that represent us are the snakes and vipers.

The main occupation of people in this area is fishing and farming. Some of them had to migrate to urban areas to survive while others took to crime. I will continue to blame the government. You don't need to give community leaders money to distribute.  Clean up the mess, give the people an alternative source of income by building industries, and develop infrastructure. Financial benefits should be paid directly to the people after identity verification.

The government don't feel the direct impact of such negligence as much as the community leaders does and so, the blame is going to be towards the community leaders who take up bribe only to allow Thier people suffer and die from the diseases some of them get from drinking some of these unhygienic water.

Most areas that serves as host community to big multi national oil companies face these issues of poor access to good water supply due to spillages of the oil resources. The resident of the affected community are usually andicapped because by the collaboration of the community leaders and the government to only focus on getting the resources while neglecting proper sorting out of the welfare of the host of such companies, you can't really do much but have to cope with the bad water or migrate to a better environment that's not affected.

[Salahmu]

The government don't feel the direct impact of such negligence as much as the community leaders does and so, the blame is going to be towards the community leaders who take up bribe only to allow Thier people suffer and die from the diseases some of them get from drinking some of these unhygienic water.

They don't feel it because they usually have a kind of water they drink while the poor drinks from the ordinary water that's not pure, definitely the community is supposed to hold the person that's in charge for the maintenance of the water because in every development that comes from a good source usually comes with every other means of maintaining the development so that it will serve the community positively without causing them sickness but because of selfish and ignorant people that might be giving the contract of providing for anything that is required will be doing everything for there pucket without considering the sickness is resulting. Anything that's going inside the stomach shouldn't be taking for granted because it can easily cause harm especially water that is not clean, there are some tanks most communities use for two years without cleaning or washing and when you look inside there are so many particles that shouldn't be there but is being overlooked and people will just be drinking from it which could lead to a lot of sickness.

[covfefe_]

I'm not an expert but decreasing access to water is a real thing I have seen with my own eyes. The places which used to have plenty of underground water are now dry and there's no water coming from under the ground. Similarly there are places with natural water flow which has just stopped.

Water still is an issue of well management and if managed properly taking the available water to where its needed, it won't be a very big problem even for decades to come.

[Accardo]

I'm not an expert but decreasing access to water is a real thing I have seen with my own eyes. The places which used to have plenty of underground water are now dry and there's no water coming from under the ground. Similarly there are places with natural water flow which has just stopped.

The steady extraction of water from aquifers adds to the reason behind ground water drying up in some places. I was just thinking of an artisian well in my area that pumps on its own nonstop, morning till night. And it's always wasting, people go there to wash legs, and fetch for usage, such water are also good for consumption, but, while it wastes it reduces the rate of water in the ground.

[Hispo]

the next technology/industry era will be desalination. and it will be lucrative. more so than solar

Desalination is already a mature technology.    It was first used over 2,000 years ago and in the last 70 years it has been perfected.  But it cannot provide salt free water for all our needs.    First of all, it is very energy intensive - to cover all human needs would take about about half our energy consumption, so with fusion it would be possible.  But where do you put all the brine?  Desalination produces slightly more brine than fresh water, and it's way too salty for marine life.  Anywhere brine is ejected will become a dead zone, so we will need to spend billions to spread the brine out widely throughout the ocean.  Desalination is a very short term solution.

A solution it would be to pipes from the facility to some marine current, in order to distribute the brine evenly in the sea and avoid negatively affecting sea flora and fauna around the coast where desalinization takes place.
Also, I have the impression people underestimates de potential of fusion as a source of energy, to be honest, if in the future governments of developing countries can access fusion reactors, then energy would cease to be a problem for the production of clean water and transportation of water to communities which actually need it the most.

Nuclear fusion is pretty much the same of having a small star producing heat in the core of a power facility, those highs temperatures would be translated to better efficiencies and maximum yield of energy. One could only wonder whether developed countries would be okey with developing countries having access to such important technology in the long term.

[Vod]

its not the risk of iceburgs melting to cause sea level rise. its that land subsides into the sea due to land movement
enjoy that research

   Nothing has changed since the first time I researched it twenty years ago.

A solution it would be to pipes from the facility to some marine current, in order to distribute the brine evenly in the sea and avoid negatively affecting sea flora and fauna around the coast where desalinization takes place.
Also, I have the impression people underestimates de potential of fusion as a source of energy, to be honest, if in the future governments of developing countries can access fusion reactors, then energy would cease to be a problem for the production of clean water and transportation of water to communities which actually need it the most.

AI thinks the best way is to evaporate until pure salt is left.  They also mention the Dilution and Dispersion method, but those pipes are expensive, prone to leaks and damage the seafloor.

Fusion is not an instant solution to everything.  Let's say AI doesn't take us over by 2030 and we achieve profitable fusion. 

1. US Electricity Demand as a Baseline
Current US electricity consumption: about 4,000 terawatt-hours (TWh) per year.
Average continuous load: ~450–500 gigawatts (GW).

2. Size of a Fusion Plant
Most fusion reactor designs aim for outputs of 1–2 GW of electrical capacity, similar to large nuclear fission plants.

To cover current US demand with 1 GW-class reactors:
500 plants for baseline demand.
More like 800–1,000 plants if demand grows with electrification.

3. Construction Timeline
Today’s nuclear fission plants in the US take 7–10 years from licensing to operation.
If fusion is proven and standardized modular designs exist:
Construction could be compressed to 3–5 years per plant (similar to how China builds fission plants now).

4. Deployment Rate
Historically, the US built ~10–15 large nuclear plants per year at peak in the 1970s.
With modern supply chains and climate urgency, scaling could be faster, especially if designs are modular.
Realistically:
10–20 fusion plants per year in the first decade.
50+ per year once industrialized.

5. Overall Timeline Estimate
To build ~500–1,000 plants:
Aggressive build-out: 20–30 years (with wartime-level mobilization, factory production, and political will).
Conventional pace: 40–60 years (similar to nuclear expansion but modernized).

[Hispo]

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The power required to extract water from brine increases very fast as the concentration of salt becomes higher, so it would be counterproductive to evaporate all water from brine and take the salt inland, in order not to affect coastal life. It would be a trade of for the sake of keeping local marine species untouched. A solution it would be to take all the brine to a different facility, store it and sell it to international market. Sea brine is valuable for the production of cosmetic products and it is appreciate in spas and beauty parlors, so clients can have access to baths of salt.

That solution would imply even a higher initial investment, but it would need no marine life would suffer from the effect of highly concentrated brine in coastal areas

[Agbamoni]

Our government really need to do something about this issue of lack of water because if it continues like this it will lead to something else, water is a free gift and people should have access to the best of it which is clean water.

What do you expect the government to do for you? Get a borehole and dig pure water in every houses? Please tell me.

I think is is right time we stop calling the government for everything, and things that we can provide for ourselves. Without the government, many private individuals can provide clean water for people who dont have access to it. It doesn't cost so much that a private individual cannot afford to do it. At the same time, personally we should dig a bore hole, and get clean water for ourselves, it wont kill us if we do it and stop waiting for the government. Its our health that at risk not theirs.

[franky1]

its not the risk of iceburgs melting to cause sea level rise. its that land subsides into the sea due to land movement
enjoy that research

   Nothing has changed since the first time I researched it twenty years ago.

google:
jakarta sinking
New york sinking
depleted aquifers causes land subsidence

generally look into land subsidence.. where land sinking is where "sea level" rise occurs more, due to how/where "sea level" is measured from/by

..
but really do try a home-science experiment. fill a glass with ice cubes and fill the gaps with water.. heck double experiment. fill the gaps with orange juice
then leave the glass contents to melt and see if there is overspill from the melt. or just dilution of the contents to be less orangy

the only fear of iceburgs is the salinity of the water, not the amount
you could have learned this in school.. water when it freezes takes up 9% more space/volume when its frozen.. in short the more ice there is the more space the oceans take up.. less ice, less space taken up

or if you want to see it for yourself. get an icecube tray. fill each compartment with 90% filled water. then freeze it. and notice once its ice. the ice is filling the compartments and bowing out of the top

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funny fact: david attenborough the big ecology name chanting about iceburgs breaking up. loves to visit the poles in a icebreaker ship, any logical mind would know that the poles would have a better chance to replenish itself and grow if the edges are not continually cut

AI thinks the best way is to evaporate until pure salt is left.  They also mention the Dilution and Dispersion method, but those pipes are expensive, prone to leaks and damage the seafloor.

way they mine lithium from sea water economically and least technical cost is to take large piece of flat land and just fill the ground with thin layer of sea water, allow the sun to evaporate the water, crack the crust, move the crust. repeat
but instead of just letting the evaporate enter the air, they could greenhouse it. to keep heat in and collect the evaporate, condensate it and then distribute that condensate to the local population(after filtering ofcourse)

[Vod]

google:
jakarta sinking
New york sinking
depleted aquifers causes land subsidence

generally look into land subsidence.. where land sinking is where "sea level" rise occurs more, due to how/where "sea level" is measured from/by

..
but really do try a home-science experiment. fill a glass with ice cubes and fill the gaps with water.. heck double experiment. fill the gaps with orange juice
then leave the glass contents to melt and see if there is overspill from the melt. or just dilution of the contents to be less orangy

the only fear of iceburgs is the salinity of the water, not the amount
you could have learned this in school.. water when it freezes takes up 9% more space/volume when its frozen.. in short the more ice there is the more space the oceans take up.. less ice, less space taken up

or if you want to see it for yourself. get an icecube tray. fill each compartment with 90% filled water. then freeze it. and notice once its ice. the ice is filling the compartments and bowing out of the top

What is wrong with you?  I learned this over 20 years ago, and the physics have not changed.  Why are you trying so hard to argue something I agree with?

[franky1]

What is wrong with you?  I learned this over 20 years ago, and the physics have not changed.  Why are you trying so hard to argue something I agree with?

i was highlighting how you though current tech only allows 48:52 ratio of water vs brine
i was highlighting how you mention sea level rising
i was highlighting how you think its impossible to offer free water to the world
i was highlighting how you think brine needs to return to the sea

by correcting you that:
sea levels are not on the rise but land is subsiding
sea levels wont rise due to iceburg melts/"carbon"
that methods used today in this era of lithium mining can get a 99:1 evaporate:salt ratio
-but with added evaporate-condensate tech to capture then utilise that 99% to not need to send brine back to the sea

and previously highlighting how humanity wont offer free water, industry will charge people for water. once they control/ shrink the competition(nature)

and with that last statement, industrialist will expand lithium mines, but not just let the evaporate go into helping the water cycle(sky-clouds-nature), they will greenhouse and sell it to the locals

you can already see how reservoir owners are filling reservoir with a top layer of black plastic balls to prevent evaporation back to nature from reservoirs

[Vod]

What is wrong with you?  I learned this over 20 years ago, and the physics have not changed.  Why are you trying so hard to argue something I agree with?

i was highlighting how you though current tech only allows 48:52 ratio of water vs brine
i was highlighting how you mention sea level rising
i was highlighting how you think its impossible to offer free water to the world

by correcting you that:
sea levels are not on the rise but land is subsiding
sea levels wont rise due to iceburg melts
that methods used today in this era of lithium mining can get a 99:1 evaporate:salt ratio but with added evaporate-condensate tech to capture then utilise that 99%
and previously highlighting how humanity wont offer free water, industry will charge people for water. once they control/ shrink the competition(nature)

and with that last statement, industrialist will expand lithium mines, but not just let the evaporate go into helping the water cycle(sky-clouds-nature), they will greenhouse and sell it to the locals

OK.  It appeared you were trying to highlight the point that sea level rise is only affected by ice deposits on land - I thought that was common knowledge.  A melting iceberg will not add any additional sea level other than when it was calved from the land. 

Before you go planning free water for everyone, see if you can limit dehydration deaths to a million people in the next year alone. 

[franky1]

What is wrong with you?  I learned this over 20 years ago, and the physics have not changed.  Why are you trying so hard to argue something I agree with?

i was highlighting how you though current tech only allows 48:52 ratio of water vs brine
i was highlighting how you mention sea level rising
i was highlighting how you think its impossible to offer free water to the world

by correcting you that:
sea levels are not on the rise but land is subsiding
sea levels wont rise due to iceburg melts
that methods used today in this era of lithium mining can get a 99:1 evaporate:salt ratio but with added evaporate-condensate tech to capture then utilise that 99%
and previously highlighting how humanity wont offer free water, industry will charge people for water. once they control/ shrink the competition(nature)

and with that last statement, industrialist will expand lithium mines, but not just let the evaporate go into helping the water cycle(sky-clouds-nature), they will greenhouse and sell it to the locals

OK.  It appeared you were trying to highlight the point that sea level rise is only affected by ice deposits on land - I thought that was common knowledge.  A melting iceberg will not add any additional sea level other than when it was calved from the land.  

Before you go planning free water for everyone, see if you can limit dehydration deaths to a million people in the next year alone.  

water will never be free
the next industrial revolution will be water based whereby costs will increase

as for figuring out how to limit dehydration.. just look into saudi arabia which as no rivers of lakes. but can hydrate its population.
this (as reminding again) can be made more efficient by other means..
.. in short instead of reverse osmoses(your 48:52) there is also distillation which in combination with the lithium industry will expand water production as a byproduct of lithium mining(greenhousing the evaporate) but later take over as the main income earner for that industry

it wont require fusion or other energy generation in the way some foresee. just making the most of whats already available and utilising it

[Vod]

as for figuring out how to limit dehydration.. just look into saudi arabia which as no rivers of lakes. but can hydrate its population.

Half it's population, maybe.  They are sucking the groundwater dry for the rest.   But do facts matter? 

[franky1]

as for figuring out how to limit dehydration.. just look into saudi arabia which as no rivers of lakes. but can hydrate its population.

Half it's population, maybe.  They are sucking the groundwater dry for the rest.   But do facts matter?  

ok math
saudi 35m population
so desalination solved the problem for half population that are not sucking water from the underground.
or in other words
sucking water from the underground half as much, compared to how much it would do if desalination was not there
or in other words
sucking water from the underground now takes twice as long to completely empty the aquifer compared to not having desalination
or in other words, emphasising the first
17m pop dont need to rely on underground water

now all they need to do is expand that x2, first by concentrating on lithium mining as a industrial business investment. which reaps rewards with water supply as a secondary business, after all saudi arabia is not really at a humanitarian crises to need aid to get "free water". so they can successfully self manage via industrial investment

[mvdheuvel1983]

Our government really need to do something about this issue of lack of water because if it continues like this it will lead to something else, water is a free gift and people should have access to the best of it which is clean water.

What do you expect the government to do for you? Get a borehole and dig pure water in every houses? Please tell me.

I think is is right time we stop calling the government for everything, and things that we can provide for ourselves. Without the government, many private individuals can provide clean water for people who dont have access to it. It doesn't cost so much that a private individual cannot afford to do it. At the same time, personally we should dig a bore hole, and get clean water for ourselves, it wont kill us if we do it and stop waiting for the government. Its our health that at risk not theirs.

It is the responsibility of the government to provide down of the rural amenities for the people they are leading not the responsibility of an individual or a private body to do so if you must know so if you think people should not remind the government their duties then you are far from the truth, yes as an individual you can get a borehole to get access to clean water but what does the government do with the tax payers money if they can not rise up and give their people good water, electricity and create good roads what are they doing?  There are things we can do for ourselves I understand that we shouldn't expect the government to do everything for us but if you don't remind them don't you know that they will keep stealing money and not remember their responsibility.

[SuperBitMan]

Our government really need to do something about this issue of lack of water because if it continues like this it will lead to something else, water is a free gift and people should have access to the best of it which is clean water.

What do you expect the government to do for you? Get a borehole and dig pure water in every houses? Please tell me.

I think is is right time we stop calling the government for everything, and things that we can provide for ourselves. Without the government, many private individuals can provide clean water for people who dont have access to it. It doesn't cost so much that a private individual cannot afford to do it. At the same time, personally we should dig a bore hole, and get clean water for ourselves, it wont kill us if we do it and stop waiting for the government. Its our health that at risk not theirs.

Agbamoni you are from Nigeria so I believe you know a state called bayelsa in Nigeria and the reason you are saying that is not everything the government should provide for us is because you have not been to places like this, in bayelsa even if you dig a borehole the water won't be clean because of the oil spillage that is happening in bayelsa always there water is already contaminated and to get a clean and manageable water you can at least bath you will spend huge amount of money because you will have to dig very dipper and you will be using 3 to 4 tank, that is how it works in bayelsa, in the place I was in bayelsa it was government that built the borehole and we use 3 tank they pour sand in the first and second tank to help fitter the oil in that water, now when we are pumping the water it goes to the first one from the first one to the second one and from the second one to the third one being the last.
What am I trying to say without the help of government in bayelsa in providing clean water the people can't have a clean water because it's too expensive.

[iBaba]

It is the responsibility of the government to provide down of the rural amenities for the people they are leading not the responsibility of an individual or a private body to do so if you must know so if you think people should not remind the government their duties then you are far from the truth, yes as an individual you can get a borehole to get access to clean water but what does the government do with the tax payers money if they can not rise up and give their people good water, electricity and create good roads what are they doing?  There are things we can do for ourselves I understand that we shouldn't expect the government to do everything for us but if you don't remind them don't you know that they will keep stealing money and not remember their responsibility.

Unfortunately, African countries are still suffering from this poor leadership where portable water is still very much of a luxury to us. It is annoying when politicians still make promises with digging boleholes for people, promising our people with renovation of primary schools, promising people with grading of untarred roads and so on. It's really pathetic to know how rich the economy of some of these countries are but continously ridiculed by its leaders because of selfish interest and lack of empathy for the people.

The other day I was listening to a podcast program of a lawyer in Nigeria that was appointed by the late president to become the chairman of the special presidential investigation panel for the recovery of public properties In Nigeria. You need to listen to that conversation and you will be baffled by the kind of revelations revealed by him on how top government officials proudly and happily frustrate the efforts of such panels set to investigate them.

[BADecker]

Graphene or reverse osmosis water filters for drinking water.