Are slots rigged or Just math at work?

[Russlenat]

Have you ever had a time in the casino where you started strong on slots, maybe even felt like you were on a roll for a while, then suddenly hit a losing streak that wiped out everything? I’ve noticed that no matter how good the start is, I almost always end up losing it all in the end.

That kind of pattern makes me wonder, are these games secretly rigged, or is this just how slots work because of the RTP (return to player), which is usually around 97% or even lower?

When you’re stuck in a losing streak, it really makes you doubt if it’s only bad luck, or if the system is built so you can never walk away ahead.
What do you guys think? Is it pure probability catching up with you, or do casinos tweak the games to make sure you lose eventually?

[Agbamoni]

My suspicion is that, slot games are configured to give wins at the start of signing newly into the casino and later on take em back if the gambler continues playing.

Several persons has claimed they got lucky at the beginning, it could be beginners luck, I dont know. But if this is true, players will go against the rules by creating multiple accounts to gamble for the sake of having that beginners luck.

[m2017]

Have you ever had a time in the casino where you started strong on slots, maybe even felt like you were on a roll for a while, then suddenly hit a losing streak that wiped out everything? I’ve noticed that no matter how good the start is, I almost always end up losing it all in the end.

Welcome to gambling - the casino always wins.

Slot machines are programmed so that the player is more likely to lose than win. Can conditions that are obviously initially unfavorable for the player be called fraud? The question is rhetorical.

That kind of pattern makes me wonder, are these games secretly rigged, or is this just how slots work because of the RTP (return to player), which is usually around 97% or even lower?

It's all about RTP, which is usually no higher than 95%, because of which the longer the gambler plays, the higher the chances of losing. You described exactly this above. What can be done about it? Play short games and as soon as you get "plus", then stop the game session.

When you’re stuck in a losing streak, it really makes you doubt if it’s only bad luck, or if the system is built so you can never walk away ahead.
What do you guys think? Is it pure probability catching up with you, or do casinos tweak the games to make sure you lose eventually?

All casino games are designed so that the gambler ends up losing. Otherwise, the casino would not be able to function.

[bitbollo]

its likewise impossible to prove that they have a rigged slot. RTP is the worst indicator for this.
Even if you are able to demonstrate and you have ALL on your side... they will just refuse to confirm what you are reporting.
They have the "last" decision on this case.
Even if you are going to a court (!) like with a lawyer,  for exposing your reasons, this would be not only not economic feasible or worthing.
They will continue to deny and make everything for not pay your win/admit wrong doing.
People must be clear aware of this strategy. Unless you identify a CRAZY BUG it's pretty clear they will never move a single finger for the player.

[Cointxz]

What do you guys think? Is it pure probability catching up with you, or do casinos tweak the games to make sure you lose eventually?

Hard to discuss about the fairness of the slot because it’s source code is close source. There’s no way for us to verify how the result generates unlike provably fair games that result is verifiable through blockchain.

You can only measure the RTP if correct through playing bunch number of spins which is very hard to do unless you have huge bankroll to avoid being bust.

Slot games nowadays is more on trust basis which is why it’s important to choose trusted providers.

[aoluain]

When you’re stuck in a losing streak, it really makes you doubt if it’s only bad luck, or if the system is built so you can never walk away ahead.
What do you guys think? Is it pure probability catching up with you, or do casinos tweak the games to make sure you lose eventually?

All casino games are designed so that the gambler ends up losing. Otherwise, the casino would not be able to function.

Thats the bottom line, casinos are business primarily providing entertainment,
they are not in the business of giving our free money to everyone who comes
to their premises or platform.

The machines could be rigged, programmed or designed to make profits, they are also
programmed to payout the various jackpots but in the long run they make profits.

The jackpots are there and they payout, afterall they have to keep the audience entertained!

[Die_empty]

What do you guys think? Is it pure probability catching up with you, or do casinos tweak the games to make sure you lose eventually?

If you had walked away after winning, you wouldn't have felt the game was rigged. I don't think slots are generally rigged just because you experienced a losing streak. I think you were simply unlucky. Other gamblers have played the same game and made a good profit.  Anyway, if I observe that this incident happens consistently in a casino, I might try another casino just to check if the former one is fair. Buy if you are playing on a reputable casino, just know it's luck..

[BitGoba]

Have you ever had a time in the casino where you started strong on slots, maybe even felt like you were on a roll for a while, then suddenly hit a losing streak that wiped out everything? I’ve noticed that no matter how good the start is, I almost always end up losing it all in the end.

That kind of pattern makes me wonder, are these games secretly rigged, or is this just how slots work because of the RTP (return to player), which is usually around 97% or even lower?

When you’re stuck in a losing streak, it really makes you doubt if it’s only bad luck, or if the system is built so you can never walk away ahead.
What do you guys think? Is it pure probability catching up with you, or do casinos tweak the games to make sure you lose eventually?

This is actually typical for slot machines. You can have winning streaks in the short term, but in the long run, RTP and variance work against the player. It doesn’t necessarily mean the games are rigged  it’s just how the math behind slots works. That’s why you can’t expect to always walk away ahead.

[Natalim]

Don’t stop playing, you’ll eventually win… but my answer here is math. You’re just overthinking because you lost. If you were on a winning streak, you wouldn’t even care about asking the math behind it, you’d probably think you can beat the system.

It’s normal to start questioning things when you lose, but that’s fine.

In time you’ll understand how it really works.

[giammangiato]

Slot machines pay out fairly easily, but if you play at an unregulated casino, the probability of the games being rigged is high.
Slots are usually programmed to pay out mathematically, so the more a slot is played, the greater the probability of winning.
For example: If 10 people played that slot and they all lost $100, player number 11 has a high probability of winning, because the machine has already collected $1,000.
An important thing is that their RTP calculations also take into account small wins during a gaming session, so you play $10 and a couple of spins pay you $2 (this amount is considered the machine's payout).
In general, they pay out, but when you have a losing streak, it's frustrating.

[viljy]

I believe that cheating is not necessary where mathematics provides a guaranteed profit for the casino. RTP does not mean a high probability of winning. This is an exclusively financial parameter. The slot can give this 97% to one of the 100 gamblers or ten of them on average, let's say 9.7% each. It is clear that the probability of winning in these situations differs by an order of magnitude.

To know what is the probability of winning a particular combination in a particular slot, you need to know the characteristics of this slot (since the source code of the slot is not available, such information can only be provided by the provider). That's why a slot is like a black box, unlike roulette, where all the probabilities are available for calculations.

[cryptoaddictchie]

When you’re stuck in a losing streak, it really makes you doubt if it’s only bad luck, or if the system is built so you can never walk away ahead.
What do you guys think? Is it pure probability catching up with you, or do casinos tweak the games to make sure you lose eventually?

Its mostly probability catching up with you. Slots are designed with a built-in house edge, so over the long run the math guarantees the casino profits thats for sure since its business after all. That doesnt mean the machine tweaks itself when youre winning it just means the RTP is structured so that losing streaks are inevitable, and over time they will outweigh the hot runs.

[Russlenat]

Don’t stop playing, you’ll eventually win… but my answer here is math. You’re just overthinking because you lost. If you were on a winning streak, you wouldn’t even care about asking the math behind it, you’d probably think you can beat the system.

It’s normal to start questioning things when you lose, but that’s fine.

In time you’ll understand how it really works.

I could be overthinking, but I’m just sharing my experience here, based on what I’ve read from the posts above, yeah it’s really just the math. but you know, we’re only human, and when we lose we get frustrated or upset. That’s when we start imagining things that aren’t really happening, like in our mind we accuse the casino of cheating.

For me it was just an experience, next time I won’t blame the system.
I’ll try to understand it better instead.

[joeperry]

I actually notice that too! Usually when I play to new gambling site I always win  on the first couple or hundreds of rounds (not big, what I mean is not on lose streaks) and also when I use my free spins, most of the time I do win using it. I'm not sure how does it work with slots and how can we verify it since its coming from 3rd party service unlike the provably fair games where we can see the seed and hash to verify if the bet is fair or not.

It might be coincidence with slots but after some few winnings, a lose streak would always come up and would wreck my balance.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

The casino is known to have a better edge of winning than players, first when you start gambling freshly on a new day, you could experience some luck which is a trap to keep you gambling and hoping that the luck could continue like that but as you keep playing, you will realize that your luck keeps going off until you lose all your money. Sometimes I also think that the games are being rigged but if is actually rigged, how can we know. It is difficult to know unless in rare cases that it was very obvious.

[danherbias07]

It's rigged. If it's just math at work, then that losing streak should not exist. They are actually inclined to how much a person won or lost. I played slots for a very long time, and the only thing I can remember is high multipliers being given to me after a long losing streak. Let's say you lost x1000 slowly, and then it will give x900 in one free spin or bonus. Sometimes it takes longer than that. It could go to tens of thousands of losses before it gives back.

Why are they giving it after the losing streak? I think it is based on how much the player lost, overall. Even in other slot providers. It is not a stand alone type of game and everything is in the system of the online casino owner. So, it's rigged in my own opinion. There's an algorithm, that's for sure, but you are not going to get the good ones unless you lost enough or you are a newbie trying to be dragged in the system.

[Sanitough]

It's rigged. If it's just math at work, then that losing streak should not exist.

Losing streak isn’t really about losing every spin, it’s more about the overall result per day at the end of a session. like, let’s say you had a winning streak and you were up, but you didn’t stop and just kept going, eventually you end up losing it all. Then the next day you do the same thing, and the same thing happens again.

That’s the kind of losing streak I believe OP was talking about.

[Dave1]

Have you ever had a time in the casino where you started strong on slots, maybe even felt like you were on a roll for a while, then suddenly hit a losing streak that wiped out everything? I’ve noticed that no matter how good the start is, I almost always end up losing it all in the end.

That kind of pattern makes me wonder, are these games secretly rigged, or is this just how slots work because of the RTP (return to player), which is usually around 97% or even lower?

When you’re stuck in a losing streak, it really makes you doubt if it’s only bad luck, or if the system is built so you can never walk away ahead.
What do you guys think? Is it pure probability catching up with you, or do casinos tweak the games to make sure you lose eventually?

As what we say, the longer you play, the higher the chances that you will lose because of the house edge. So that could be very well true in slot games as it's based on random and we have this thing called RTP.

And for sure you are not the only one that experienced this kind of thing when playing slots. You feel good as you felt that you are lucky and that the machines seems to be cooperating to you. Then all of a sudden, everything change, you can't even win with your every roll, and you try to implement different strategies, like changing your betting pattern or increasing your stake until everything was swept, 0 bankroll.

[un_rank]

There is a possibility that slot games may be rigged on less reputable casinos, but I highly doubt this happens often. The casino always has the house edge and will always win in the long run, there is little incentive to try and rig that except it is an outright scam business and this will reflect in other aspects of their service like withdrawals and dispute settlements.

My experience has been different with different games and also same game with the same RTP on different websites. There have been some cases of players winning big in their first bets, even on skill based games like football that cannot be rigged, but this gets talked about more than those that start out losing.

- Jay -

[freedomgo]

It’s just our imagination most of the time. Just because we lose, we start questioning the integrity of the casino. If you’re playing in a highly reputable casino, you can expect the games are not rigged.

You just need to understand the house edge to see why you lose more often. For example, if a slot has 96% RTP, that means the house edge is already 4%, and that’s pretty high. Dice sites before were already surviving even when they only offered 1% house edge, so imagine how much bigger the advantage is with slots.