Donald Trump Summarily Executes 11 People Without a Trial

[franky1]

1. Is the death penalty ethical?
2. Is it better for the Coast Guard to A) arrest send people to trial for drug smuggling, or B) punish them without a trial based on one of their people's assessment, if those are the only two options possible?
3. Should this policy expand to other drugs like alcohol and cigarettes which definitely kill more people than other drugs, like cocaine and heroin on a total deaths basis? Yes or no?
4. Should this policy expand to sugar? Yes or no?

"The number of annual deaths attributed to sugar consumption, specifically through sugar-sweetened beverages, is estimated to be over 330,000 worldwide. These deaths are primarily due to diabetes and cardiovascular diseases linked to sugary drinks."
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-many-annual-deaths-can-be-oueSKf9oSNed5lbwYuPT8g

there are some extreme crimes which should warrant death penalty. also.. if america has gun laws and such where a homeowner can defend his property, you can possibly see how this can expand to defending territories against invaders too especially when the invaders are known to be part of groups that kill americans, and double-especially when just one of those causes deaths of multiple people

you really are doubling down on stupidity, comparing class A drugs to toothpaste/sugar/cannabis/alcohol(facepalm)
if you knew how little certain class A drugs are needed to kill a person vs how much weed/nicotine/beer is needed.. you might start to see the issue


what you are also ignoring is the the drug traffickers on the boat were identified and they are not some lame street dealer thats just selling $10 weed
what you are also ignoring is the the drug traffickers on the boat were not sailing their maiden voyage, its not the first trip they made

the traffickers are fully armed and supplying $Xm's per boat. which just that one boat can kill thousands
the risk:benefit loss:save ratios of lives lost vs lives saved based on actions taken on that boat. after fully identifying the boat and occupants determines the eligibility of authorising a strike on the boat

they know that if they sent some standard borderguard to try and stop/board the boat and drag it back to shore, the traffickers would most likely open fire on the borderguards

borderguards have previously made more peaceful attempts to stop certain cartels members, and results didnt lead to arrests, so things have to escalate

yep these traffickers are not some slumlord selling drugs in his basement. these traffickers are known armed maniacs that would do anything to not get caught
they have been designated as such. its not some random fire on some random boat of some peaceful guy just trading weed with his college buddies on a fishing trip

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the amount of deaths from sugar/[or your other lame alternative suggested products] do not come from one shipment of one team of people. also sugar is regulated to not kill someone in one dose.... unlike unregulated drugs that avoid customs/regulations and can kill in one dose

[caroasi]

1. Is the death penalty ethical?
2. Is it better for the Coast Guard to A) arrest send people to trial for drug smuggling, or B) punish them without a trial based on one of their people's assessment, if those are the only two options possible?
3. Should this policy expand to other drugs like alcohol and cigarettes which definitely kill more people than other drugs, like cocaine and heroin on a total deaths basis? Yes or no?
4. Should this policy expand to sugar? Yes or no?

"The number of annual deaths attributed to sugar consumption, specifically through sugar-sweetened beverages, is estimated to be over 330,000 worldwide. These deaths are primarily due to diabetes and cardiovascular diseases linked to sugary drinks."
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-many-annual-deaths-can-be-oueSKf9oSNed5lbwYuPT8g

there are some extreme crimes which should warrant death penalty. also.. if america has gun laws and such where a homeowner can defend his property, you can possibly see how this can expand to defending territories against invaders too especially when the invaders are known to be part of groups that kill americans, and double-especially when just one of those causes deaths of multiple people

you really are doubling down on stupidity, comparing class A drugs to toothpaste/sugar/cannabis/alcohol(facepalm)
if you knew how little certain class A drugs are needed to kill a person vs how much weed/nicotine/beer is needed.. you might start to see the issue


what you are also ignoring is the the drug traffickers on the boat were identified and they are not some lame street dealer thats just selling $10 weed
what you are also ignoring is the the drug traffickers on the boat were not sailing their maiden voyage, its not the first trip they made

the traffickers are fully armed and supplying $Xm's per boat. which just that one boat can kill thousands
the risk:benefit loss:save ratios of lives lost vs lives saved based on actions taken on that boat. after fully identifying the boat and occupants determines the eligibility of authorising a strike on the boat

they know that if they sent some standard borderguard to try and stop/board the boat and drag it back to shore, the traffickers would most likely open fire on the borderguards

borderguards have previously made more peaceful attempts to stop certain cartels members, and results didnt lead to arrests, so things have to escalate

yep these traffickers are not some slumlord selling drugs in his basement. these traffickers are known armed maniacs that would do anything to not get caught
they have been designated as such. its not some random fire on some random boat of some peaceful guy just trading weed with his college buddies on a fishing trip

..
the amount of deaths from sugar/[or your other lame alternative suggested products] do not come from one shipment of one team of people. also sugar is regulated to not kill someone in one dose.... unlike unregulated drugs that avoid customs/regulations and can kill in one dose

1. Is a death penalty for drug smuggling appropriate?
2. When an alleged criminal is armed, should they be killed sight on scene rather than arrested?
3. Is it better for the Coast Guard to A) arrest send people to trial for drug smuggling, or B) punish them without a trial based on one of their people's assessment, if those are the only two options possible?
4. Should this policy expand to other drugs like alcohol and cigarettes which definitely kill more people than other drugs, like cocaine and heroin on a total deaths basis? Yes or no?

[pooya87]

the 11 drug kingpins who got taken out

Gullible?
You do realize these fast moving drug boats don't have 11 "kingpins" in them, they have at most 2 or 4.

Donald Trump announced he ordered the summary execution of 11 people

I don't give a shit what you call it

What would have been the response of J.D. Vance if the Nigerian government ordered the execution of eleven Americans who were shipping drugs to Nigeria? Maybe Nigeria would have been another Gaza.

Your comments remind me of this quote: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" -George Orwell

Let me introduce you to the former president of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai who was president during the US invasion of and war crimes in Afghanistan. https://www.aparat.com/v/vulzfo1
Translation:
Karzai asks US regime officials "whether the bombs going off in Kabul or the bombs going off in Afghanistan villages killing dozens of women and children at a time were considered terrorism".
"No", they responded!
He asks them "then what is terrorism?".
"Terrorism is when our interests are threatened" responded the rogue US regime.

Right now the Venezuelans have control of vast amounts of resources (one of which is oil) inside Venezuelan soil and US regime interests is threatened because they don't control it instead! So now innocent people are being slaughtered by the US regime in clear act of terrorism.

[OgNasty]

the 11 drug kingpins who got taken out

Gullible?
You do realize these fast moving drug boats don't have 11 "kingpins" in them, they have at most 2 or 4.

That was a quote from an article, but thank you for sharing your intricate knowledge of drug kingpins.  I'm sure you have plenty of experience working with them.   In truth, obviously there are 0 drug kingpins on these boats.  This is a job for lower level smugglers who probably are doing this to feed their families and try to get out of a bad situation.  It is unfortunate that they chose to poison Americans to try and better their situation, and now this is no longer a concern for them.

I live by the base for the F-35 and I can tell you that from what I'm seeing in the air this week, there are going to be a lot more of these attacks happening in the near future.

[pooya87]

That was a quote from an article, but thank you for sharing your intricate knowledge of drug kingpins.  I'm sure you have plenty of experience working with them.

I know bcash is a shitcoin, it don't need to bag-hold it to know that

I live by the base for the F-35 and I can tell you that from what I'm seeing in the air this week, there are going to be a lot more of these attacks happening in the near future.

Only US military would use the most expensive supposedly stealth strike fighters to bomb civilian boats at sea

But jokes aside Unless you live in Puerto Rico it is unlikely for any movement in an airbase inside US soil to be related to this. For starters the distance would at least be 3000+ km (2000+ miles) from Florida (obviously more from deeper inside mainland). F-35 needs multiple refueling and the cost would be through the roof.
But also even though US doesn't seem like having any operational aircraft carriers, there are already air-assets deployed to Puerto Rico including the shitty and super expensive MQ-9 drones which most probably were used in this strike.

[Skydrill]

Trump said he was going to put an end to the drug smuggling. He said he was going to use the military to do it. Nobody should be surprised by this. I actually think it is one of those most badass things I’ve seen a President make the call to do. Dems had no problem when Obama wanted to use a drone on American citizens but they’re outraged Trump used weapons on foreign drug smugglers. That’s all you need to know about Democrats.

for a country whose democracy is a role model to many I think this is a very serious issue which will send a very wrong precedents and interpretation to the rest of the world, the US has always been known for human rights, respect for the rule of law and due process, but for something like this to happen then it means the US is beginning to deviate from what it once preached and wouldn't have the moral justification to question the likes of North Korea, Iran, Russia and perhaps Israel whenever they indulge in similar barbaric acts.