Casinos forcing KYC after big wins, legal or scammy?

[Hispo]

I’ve noticed some scam accusation posts against certain casinos, and there seems to be a trend here.

Some casinos advertise themselves as KYC-free, but the moment you win big, that’s when they suddenly put all the requirements on you. And it’s not just basic KYC, they ask for heavy documents like passports, and some even request bank account details.

So I’m wondering, is this really a legal safeguard, or are they just using it as their own policy to forfeit players’ winnings?
This is actually a serious concern. Most of us might not have reached that level yet, but what if one day we do hit it big and end up facing the same situation?

It is shady and scammy when the casino itself where one is gambling on is shady and scammy, if one sticks to casinos with a proven liquidity and spotless reputation then there should not be a problem at all.

Also, it is always advisable to complete KYC in advance if one is sure one is going to be an user of a casino in the long term, so if one happens to hit some jackpot, there will be no excuse for the house to release our money immediately so we can enjoy it as we please.

[Shinpako09]

It’s actually completely normal. Using their site and making withdrawals is fine, but since they have verification levels, if your account doesn’t have KYC yet, of course there will be limitations on what you can do and how much you can withdraw. Asking for KYC isn’t a big deal nowadays, and you don’t have to worry as long as the site is legit, you’ll get your winnings once it’s completed, I don’t see any problem with that.

[EarnOnVictor]

So I’m wondering, is this really a legal safeguard, or are they just using it as their own policy to forfeit players’ winnings?

I would say it could be 1. to steal your money and 2. for legal reasons.

Even the KYC casinos often ask for hefty verification after winning, so this is not new, as it has some cheating undertones.

As for the legal reasons, though some casinos could advertise no-KYC but still fear the government and would want to obey the AML Acts when it comes to big money.

This is actually a serious concern. Most of us might not have reached that level yet, but what if one day we do hit it big and end up facing the same situation?

I've never been afraid to complete my KYC with any company. All I am concerned about is how to keep myself and my finances safe. And of course, the most registered and regulated casinos can still cheat you, it's all about integrity. So, let's hope and pray we do not be their victims. And let's try to choose wisely.

[AbuBhakar]

It’s actually completely normal. Using their site and making withdrawals is fine, but since they have verification levels, if your account doesn’t have KYC yet, of course there will be limitations on what you can do and how much you can withdraw. Asking for KYC isn’t a big deal nowadays, and you don’t have to worry as long as the site is legit, you’ll get your winnings once it’s completed, I don’t see any problem with that.

You’re correct, some gambler making it a big deal because many incidents in the post that user freeze his account after winning huge amount and ask to verify KYC.

Some of these users are genuinely winner while others are involved on shady activities such as match fixing and other exploits.

They mixed their issue on genuine winning that’s why it create a wrong impression on KYC.

[wakier]

I have a friend who was banned from a casino site after completing KYC. This happened not just once, if I'm not mistaken, four times at different casinos. He felt he hadn't done anything wrong he was gambling calmly and hadn't won large sums, but was simply trying to withdraw his money, meeting the minimum withdrawal requirements. However, after completing KYC, he was immediately banned.
My friend kept asking what he did wrong and emailed support, but still couldn't find the error. He now refuses to try new casino sites and only gambles on truly trusted ones.

[Despairo]

They advertise themselves as KYC free casino, but we can check on their terms to prove whether it's real no KYC or just another temporary no KYC. If they're temporary no KYC casino, it's a misleading advertisement, but they're not scammy/shady for asking KYC because they have that rules in the first place.

I would be concerned with casino who really no KYC, but they ask KYC regardless what the reason is, this one is really shady.

[8rch7]

Almost many top gambling casino make this way after the user big win make us have to verifying document ID if want withdrawal all winning fund, I remember well with STAKE.COM after huge winning at sport betting without few hours my account freeze until not available for accessing yet and they have classic problem about multiple account reason. If want getting back my account must verifying not only document ID but also have upload proof address until bank book.
Its not normal way of gambling casino account ask me have to upload proof address and unbelievable what for have uploading my bank book document, I leave my stake account and wont sharing all my document not matter have losses there are around 4k DOGE coins when place sport betting at football match I use Doge coin.

Lest share your ideas and mention clearly about casino gambling forcing KYC after big win.

[TheUltraElite]

Eventually all casinos will be following KYC, unless some sort of huge regulatory change happens from the governments to allow crypto usage.

Now since people join casinos and then have to be undergone KYC, it seems shady to the user. But from the company's point of view, they are all good because they are protecting their own business.

Being forced to undergo KYC for rewards, bonuses, nobody likes that, but then you have to move to another casino if you just want to continue playing.

[nullama]

I’ve noticed some scam accusation posts against certain casinos, and there seems to be a trend here.

Some casinos advertise themselves as KYC-free, but the moment you win big, that’s when they suddenly put all the requirements on you. And it’s not just basic KYC, they ask for heavy documents like passports, and some even request bank account details.

So I’m wondering, is this really a legal safeguard, or are they just using it as their own policy to forfeit players’ winnings?
This is actually a serious concern. Most of us might not have reached that level yet, but what if one day we do hit it big and end up facing the same situation?

I think it has to do with some countries regulation of anti-money-laundering and things like that.

Up to a certain threshold they can move money freely, but larger amounts require more checks and balances.

I think it's reasonable, considering that the amounts involved are quite large in general.

[bitbollo]

It's not a scam but of course It can be questioned....
Most of casinos have in place a forced KYC in any case for all players involved. Even if this is not really clear from their webpage, there is always some comments (even vague) in their ToS.
In the past, with a casino, I had the chance to analyze one of these scam accusation. I would say... not all are real complaints. Most of the times gamblers know very well that they are gambling without following rules or just making multiple accounts - value bets and so on.

[stompix]

They often have a card to use in their TOS, maybe stating they have right to change their TOS at anytime or some might state when they can request KYC from customer, which some may even say at anytime but if the customer do not go through it carefully, they won't see this and miss out thinking the casino is fully non-kyc.

Which is illegal anyhow, Casinos could write whatever they want in the ToS that doesn't mean a thing in court.
They could for example, add that in case of multiple winnings, they will only pay in cash at their home office, so if you win over 10k, you need to fly to Curacao, would that be legal just because they wrote it in their ToS? 

It's not a scam but of course It can be questioned....
Most of casinos have in place a forced KYC in any case for all players involved.

If a casino can accept money from a stranger without KYC, then they can also pay that stranger the winnings without KYC. It is selective scamming, fishing for people who will not be able to provide such documents or who, for various reasons, have problems with their papers. For example, I had no utility bill in my name for a while, since while we were finishing the new house we stayed at my wife's previous apartment for three months. If they had demanded such a document during that time, I would have had nothing to offer.

[junder]

It’s actually completely normal. Using their site and making withdrawals is fine, but since they have verification levels, if your account doesn’t have KYC yet, of course there will be limitations on what you can do and how much you can withdraw. Asking for KYC isn’t a big deal nowadays, and you don’t have to worry as long as the site is legit, you’ll get your winnings once it’s completed, I don’t see any problem with that.

It is true that you said with a statement about the KYC, after all, It is true that you said with a statement about the KYC, after all, the purpose of this KYC is for our own safety and comfort in terms of gambling precisely withdrawal. Although this is proposed by the casino when we are going to make a big withdrawal, we have to finish it, than the victory cannot be withdrawn so it is better to follow the direction of the casin, especially if the Casino has good reutation then don't hesitate to finish it.

[NotATether]

If you are planning to deposit a lot into the casino and it's not strictly KYC free, you should at least make the effort to verify your ID (and maybe possibly your proof of residence) so that you don't experience delays and unexpected troubles when cashing out your winnings.

Makes sense no?

Applies whether you play at Stake, Rainbet, Rollbit, Duelbits, etc etc.

[Ziskinberg]

If you are planning to deposit a lot into the casino and it's not strictly KYC free, you should at least make the effort to verify your ID (and maybe possibly your proof of residence) so that you don't experience delays and unexpected troubles when cashing out your winnings.

Makes sense no?

Applies whether you play at Stake, Rainbet, Rollbit, Duelbits, etc etc.

I’m just curious, are all casinos willing to process KYC verification even without a deposit first? I mean, just to make sure the account already passes KYC before we start playing. That way we can gamble without worrying later on.

Are there casinos that actually allow this?

[TedMosby]

I don’t think casinos do this just to block players from winning. From what I’ve seen, most online casinos have it written in their terms, even if it’s not clear, that they can ask for KYC anytime, even if they promote “no KYC.” If it’s a licensed casino, they also need to follow AML (anti-money laundering) rules, and that usually comes up when someone wins a big amount, especially on games from third-party providers.

The term “KYC-free” or "No KYC" can also mean different things. In many cases, it just means no KYC for deposits and smaller withdrawals. But once you cross a certain limit, they might ask for verification. So technically it’s still “KYC-free” for casual players, but not for big players.

[KiaKia]

I’ve noticed some scam accusation posts against certain casinos, and there seems to be a trend here.

Some casinos advertise themselves as KYC-free, but the moment you win big, that’s when they suddenly put all the requirements on you. And it’s not just basic KYC, they ask for heavy documents like passports, and some even request bank account details.

So I’m wondering, is this really a legal safeguard, or are they just using it as their own policy to forfeit players’ winnings?
This is actually a serious concern. Most of us might not have reached that level yet, but what if one day we do hit it big and end up facing the same situation?

It sound like they want to cheat, maybe hoping that you won't be able to pass the KYC verification since the reason why you first start gambling on the platform was because they don't asked for KYC verification from you.

On the other hand it's not so true, some times you are the one that failed to go through their terms and conditions, just because they don't ask for KYC details at first doesn't mean that they can't ask you later.

It's also a clear way for some bad casinos to cheat customers, as they will likely keep rejecting every KYC information you provide to them, and if you call them to justice they will claimed you fail to pass their requirements.

All you need to do is avoid bad online casinos with bad reputation.

[Ishicryptic]

I want to believe that issues related to KYC requirements should be somewhere in their TOS maybe they would not clearly specify exactly when they will ask for it, if nothing like that exists in their TOS then it can be considered as scam. You should not expect any casino to be very happy to pay out big wins, the reputable ones will payout as at when due to maintain their reputation but that is where scam casinos are different they will find ways to withhold the payment. We should have it in mind that if a casino doesn't ask you for KYC when you register with them it doesn't mean that they cannot require it in the future especially when you win big.

[Japinat]

I want to believe that issues related to KYC requirements should be somewhere in their TOS maybe they would not clearly specify exactly when they will ask for it, if nothing like that exists in their TOS then it can be considered as scam.

That’s correct - everything is transparent in the TOS. But the problem with us gamblers is that sometimes we don’t even read it before clicking agree. In the end, it’s us who’ll face trouble in situations where we win big and the casino suddenly decides to implement KYC.

That’s why we should always choose a casino with a good reputation. Even if everything is written clearly in the TOS, if the casino doesn’t have a good name, they might still deny your winnings or scam you. And if that happens, as the victim you’ll have a hard time going after them since lawsuits are too expensive, and most of us would just let it go because we have no choice.

[Olatundespo]

You are right that those who gamble regularly on these casino sites may face such serious problems. I think those casinos should initially make KYC verification mandatory for every player so that later on after winning there is no unwanted situation. If they ask for important heavy things like passport and bank statement for KYC verification, it is really a serious matter. I think it would be right for us to abandon these casinos. I personally have not faced any such problem yet. If such a casino site asks me for any heavy documents related to this, then I will refrain from those casino sites.

[Bitcoin Smith]

If you are planning to deposit a lot into the casino and it's not strictly KYC free, you should at least make the effort to verify your ID (and maybe possibly your proof of residence) so that you don't experience delays and unexpected troubles when cashing out your winnings.

Makes sense no?

Applies whether you play at Stake, Rainbet, Rollbit, Duelbits, etc etc.

Some casinos offers different tier level of KYC and their limits also will be based on it. For example at stake we can enter details and Upload an valid ID to get KYC level 2 verified but for further we may need proof of residence like utility bill or credit card statement or something and then video selfie proof.

If we chose a casino where there are KYC compliance then it doesn't make sense when the user complains while casino ask them for KYC.