Casinos forcing KYC after big wins, legal or scammy?

[₿itcoin]

Yes, many non-KYC crypto casinos will let you play without asking any questions however when you win big they will suddenly ask for your passport or bank records. Sometimes that is true for AML however sometimes it is just used to delay or not pay out your winnings. In fact licensed places are obligated to do KYC when there is a large or suspicious movement of money, these are well stated in FATF/UKGC's page, so reputable casino also clearly state that. But if you talk abusive casino they play with the dark side. actually it is safest to play only at licensed casinos, before depositing read the withdrawal T&C first,  try a small withdrawal then, and check the community complaint board before you bet big.

[bakasabo]

Even though it looks scammy or a wish not to pay, I would say that this is fair and legal. All the casinos warn that they might ask for a KYC anytime, so they dont violate anything. Also I think that they have to report big wins and display it in their balance or annual report. That is why they cant just write «transferred a big win to a no name», as well as from big wins taxes must be paid, that is why report if to authorities.

[stompix]

Also I think that they have to report big wins and display it in their balance or annual report. That is why they cant just write «transferred a big win to a no name», as well as from big wins taxes must be paid, that is why report if to authorities.

Lol, so they can't write transfer to person X in their expenditure, but they can freely write taken from X in the revenue column?
How could this be considered even remotely legal, taking money from strangers but KYCing them when they need to be paid?

You are either KYC-free or you request every document before allowing people to deposit, choose one!

I don’t think casinos do this just to block players from winning. From what I’ve seen, most online casinos have it written in their terms, even if it’s not clear, that they can ask for KYC anytime, even if they promote “no KYC.” If it’s a licensed casino, they also need to follow AML (anti-money laundering) rules, and that usually comes up when someone wins a big amount, especially on games from third-party providers.

Those rules don't apply to deposits? Or are AML rules only when you have to pay winnings? 
I really want to hear one case of a non-KYC casino that prevented one guy from depositing because of suspicious behaviour, one example!

[Rabata]

Some casinos advertise themselves as KYC-free, but the moment you win big, that’s when they suddenly put all the requirements on you. And it’s not just basic KYC, they ask for heavy documents like passports, and some even request bank account details.

In reality, there is a legal validity to asking for KYC in a casino, so that a gambler cannot commit criminal acts. But if an institution approves KYC initially and later asks for bank account or other information after a big win, it may be illegal in some cases and may be legal in some cases. Especially if it is in a regulated casino, then there is no fear of doing it because there is a guarantee of getting that money, but in the case of any other platform, it may sometimes be a victim of scam. For this, the right decision must be taken according to the situation.

[Distinctin]

Some casinos advertise themselves as KYC-free, but the moment you win big, that’s when they suddenly put all the requirements on you. And it’s not just basic KYC, they ask for heavy documents like passports, and some even request bank account details.

In reality, there is a legal validity to asking for KYC in a casino, so that a gambler cannot commit criminal acts. But if an institution approves KYC initially and later asks for bank account or other information after a big win, it may be illegal in some cases and may be legal in some cases. Especially if it is in a regulated casino, then there is no fear of doing it because there is a guarantee of getting that money, but in the case of any other platform, it may sometimes be a victim of scam. For this, the right decision must be taken according to the situation.

Thats what i dont really get, why would they even ask for bank info if a gambler wins big? like whats the connection? are they trying to check where the money comes from, or just using bank statement as extra doc to be sure the person who submitted the kyc is the same guy?

honestly it doesn't make much sense to me. can someone explain this?

[stadus]

honestly it doesn't make much sense to me. can someone explain this?

I also dont get why they even need a bank statement. I’ve read some people doing this when they were required, but personally i dont remember any casino asking me for bank statement after a win was withheld. Must be that the casino is not really trustworthy, not one of the popular ones in the forum, so they just take advantage of gamblers who dont have much idea about the top crypto casinos.

To prevent that from happening to us, i guess the best option is just stick with the most reputable casinos.

[BitMaxz]

Thats what i dont really get, why would they even ask for bank info if a gambler wins big? like whats the connection? are they trying to check where the money comes from, or just using bank statement as extra doc to be sure the person who submitted the kyc is the same guy?

honestly it doesn't make much sense to me. can someone explain this?

KYC is part of protection; they ask if the gambler is the real owner of the account and to protect from hackers, but asking for bank details seems suspicious to me. How about if the gambler doesn't have a bank account?

Asking for bank details is too much just to withdraw your huge win unless they ask for the bank account where they can send these big winnings.

Bank details shouldn't be share to someone unless they use it to verify you are a legit person and to verify if the ID you submitted is exactly the same person who asking for withdrawal. Based on I heard some casino do this due to AML and GDPR. So I think if the Casino is legal then it's safe to submit a bank details only part with your name and address.
But for non license casino then that's risky.

[shield132]

I’ve noticed some scam accusation posts against certain casinos, and there seems to be a trend here.

Some casinos advertise themselves as KYC-free, but the moment you win big, that’s when they suddenly put all the requirements on you. And it’s not just basic KYC, they ask for heavy documents like passports, and some even request bank account details.

So I’m wondering, is this really a legal safeguard, or are they just using it as their own policy to forfeit players’ winnings?
This is actually a serious concern. Most of us might not have reached that level yet, but what if one day we do hit it big and end up facing the same situation?

Lots of crypto casinos really abuse the KYC requirements for their own benefits and it's a very sad situation that we have on the market, sadly there is also no one that will regulate things for us because no one cares about the power that casinos have and abuse. Btw at the same time, to be fair, crypto business has always been dependent on trust, so I would say that only gamble on casinos that have a very high trust reputation on this forum.
Btw there are sometimes cases when KYC requirement after a big win makes sense, especially when there is a fact of arbitrage betting or sold games or something like that but that's rare.

[dimonstration]

Yes, many non-KYC crypto casinos will let you play without asking any questions however when you win big they will suddenly ask for your passport or bank records. Sometimes that is true for AML however sometimes it is just used to delay or not pay out your winnings. In fact licensed places are obligated to do KYC when there is a large or suspicious movement of money, these are well stated in FATF/UKGC's page, so reputable casino also clearly state that. But if you talk abusive casino they play with the dark side. actually it is safest to play only at licensed casinos, before depositing read the withdrawal T&C first,  try a small withdrawal then, and check the community complaint board before you bet big.

It’s unethical for a business that declares non-KYC on their ToS but later on ask for just because you win big since they don’t have the rights to do that.

Non-KYC means no license to operate so they are not allowed to ask customers documents because this is a requirements for AML as part of being regulated.

It’s scam for a no license casino to ask KYC.

[bakasabo]

Also I think that they have to report big wins and display it in their balance or annual report. That is why they cant just write «transferred a big win to a no name», as well as from big wins taxes must be paid, that is why report if to authorities.

Lol, so they can't write transfer to person X in their expenditure, but they can freely write taken from X in the revenue column?
How could this be considered even remotely legal, taking money from strangers but KYCing them when they need to be paid?

You are either KYC-free or you request every document before allowing people to deposit, choose one!

But dont have to figure out or ask origin of funds, you deposit several millions and start gambling, compared to a situation when a guy deposit $10? They cant be a business who does not care where they receive big money from and send big money to? At least from experience working in a bank, you can send small amount to anyone, but you have to ask to provide documents if client created a large transaction. I think if you work with money, you need to have some documents for a big transaction and can not transfer it to a random.

[Pi-network314159]

I’ve noticed some scam accusation posts against certain casinos, and there seems to be a trend here.

Some casinos advertise themselves as KYC-free, but the moment you win big, that’s when they suddenly put all the requirements on you. And it’s not just basic KYC, they ask for heavy documents like passports, and some even request bank account details.

That's actually true, I've noticed that, I have seen and heard many people complain about this same case scenario and it is a very bad behavior by this casinos and it shows that they have interior motive for doing that. This thread has just opened my eye concerning this issue, so we need to be careful on some casino to avoid our fund being trapped in it.

So I’m wondering, is this really a legal safeguard, or are they just using it as their own policy to forfeit players’ winnings?
This is actually a serious concern. Most of us might not have reached that level yet, but what if one day we do hit it big and end up facing the same situation?

Definitely they are doing it for their betterment and to their favour and not a legal safeguard. And if we do hit a big win someday we will surely be affected by this situation and our fund may be trapped if we can't be able to summit all necessary private documents. If you ask me I will They are being scamy and people need to DYOR to know the best casino to gamble to avoid this type of scenario happening.

[Solosanz]

Thats what i dont really get, why would they even ask for bank info if a gambler wins big? like whats the connection? are they trying to check where the money comes from, or just using bank statement as extra doc to be sure the person who submitted the kyc is the same guy?

honestly it doesn't make much sense to me. can someone explain this?

I don't think they able to know the money comes from because it's banks that know everything. I guess it might likely want to know if your financial are enough to made deposit in their casino, example if you deposit $10K and your bank account only record $5K maximum, for sure they will make another investigation where you can get a lot of money to gamble.

[Awaklara]

So I’m wondering, is this really a legal safeguard, or are they just using it as their own policy to forfeit players’ winnings?

If a casino campaigns for KYC-free for their customers, then customers should also consider reading the terms and conditions thoroughly. The casino may include rules to request KYC only when there is suspicion about certain account activities. This is particularly evident when there are big wins or concerning betting, deposit, or withdrawal patterns.
Especially if the big wins are related to promotions that the casino is running. It may sound like the casino is trying to scam gamblers, but we do not know what schemes the gamblers are actually engaging in. There could be attempts to exploit bonus programs or abuse of several accounts.

[Ruttoshi]

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I will call them dishonest casino for claiming that they're KYC free and ended up asking for KYC after a big win. This is because the casinos know that a lot of gamblers love their privacy and are looking for platforms that their identity wouldn't be revealed. For this reason, such casino come up with the No KYC trick to lure them into using their casino. You will be surprised that, some of these gamblers that are after their privacy will forfeit their big win in order not to disclose their identity. The casino will keep the money.

There is a new project promoting their brand here in the forum https://notokyc.com the casinos listed in the site are KYC casinos but the service said claims to support No KYC platforms which is not true. As a matter of fact, I prefer to gamble in a KYC casino that has good reputation instead of a No KYC casino who will later ask for KYC after a huge win.

[libert19]

Scammy advertisement imo but if it's written in their terms that they can ask for kyc anytime, what we can do? It's what we signed up for. Read the terms, not the advertisement.

...or are they just using it as their own policy to forfeit players’ winnings?

If casino has mentioned, kyc can be asked anytime in their terms and upon completion of kyc they allow you to withdraw funds, it's fine.

[rachael9385]

I’ve noticed some scam accusation posts against certain casinos, and there seems to be a trend here.

Some casinos advertise themselves as KYC-free, but the moment you win big, that’s when they suddenly put all the requirements on you. And it’s not just basic KYC, they ask for heavy documents like passports, and some even request bank account details.

So I’m wondering, is this really a legal safeguard, or are they just using it as their own policy to forfeit players’ winnings?
This is actually a serious concern. Most of us might not have reached that level yet, but what if one day we do hit it big and end up facing the same situation?

Theres a high chance that this might not be a scam, it's even a way to maintain security. A casino might advertise themselves as casino free but I'm sure that there would be somethings included in the terms and conditions that a lot of people don't pay attention to. If you end up winning a large amount of money then it's going to be important for the casino to make sure that your account isn't being comprised

[Perfectbaby]

One thing I usually advise people is that before they go gambling into any gambling site it's always better to pass kyc especially if they have kyc level 1-4, at least they should be able to pass from level to 3 or even better pass the whole level 4 before going into gambling than going to make deposit before they start process their kyc. At this point they could found it very difficult to pass kyc since they have your funds in their possession, but whenever verification is passed it makes that difficult for them to find it any fault or penalized the gamblers.

[Mahiyammahi]

they ask for heavy documents like passports, and some even request bank account details.

Damn I faced this shitty harassment recently. Well I saw a pretty good welcome bonus on a casino recently and I thought let's give it a shot. I played on their casino, So I did have my balance on their web. For some reason it was detected an Ip change of  network and it was asking me to relogin . Which is pretty normal ig. When I was trying to logged in the login verification code I was not receiving. So I reached their support team through telegram . You can't belive, only showing the documantion of my property was left for them. Just a simple code issue they were asking too much from me. Even though I didn't send any kyc info to them. Idk why they did asked me those info.

It was completely jot professional and harassing to me. I tried after several hour and I received code. Withdraw my find and swear I won't ever use new casino for such welcome bonus.

[mak013]

So I’m wondering, is this really a legal safeguard, or are they just using it as their own policy to forfeit players’ winnings?
This is actually a serious concern. Most of us might not have reached that level yet, but what if one day we do hit it big and end up facing the same situation?

Today it is normally. I think that it is a way to steal our money, but mostly you accepted the ToS and their there is something like "casino can KYC you anytime they decide".
And of course it is accident. After your big win.*sarcasm* I created in different casinos accounts(some times few accounts in one casino) and always i was KYCed after several win in a row of after big win.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Every licensed and regulated casino has the right to request for players KYC information any time they please. So, do not be deceived that a casino is KYC free when that casino is regulated. Some might have it on their terms and conditions stating that they have the right to request for the KYC when ever they want, it could be after you have made a deposit, after you have won a huge amount or after you have even gambled for a specific period of time. Some unregulated decentralized crypto casino will not ask for KYC unless it is licensed and regulated but if not licensed, I think they should ask for KYC.

On a norm, any casino that makes KYC verification compulsory for it's users are supposed to perform the verification upon registration into the casino or during deposits because they can't place KYC on withdrawals and not also place on deposits. Some casinos will even make payouts on little wins without requesting for KYC but when the winning is huge that is when they will begin to use strict measures to look for problem where there is none. Even during KYC verification after winnings, some casinos still makes it difficult for their customer by pending the verification process which is wickedness. Any casino that is not licensed or regulated is suspicious and can scam their customers so it is better to avoid casinos that are not licensed.

Every casino does not have the same ways of operation, that's why some of them does not request for KYC immediately after registration. Also, a reputable casino is not supposed to keep your KYC pending for more than 24 hours as long as you have provided all the required information correctly. I have not seen any casino that internationally pen a customer's KYC for a long time after all information was submitted.