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April 03, 2014, 05:39:47 PM
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this thread is here as a place you can discuss ideas on how to run your mining rigs free/cheap i.e hho, wind, solar.
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i have no ideas personally, apart from maybe a hho generator kit, but maybe as a community we can get bitcoin to a green status

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April 03, 2014, 08:37:10 PM
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This doesn't make any sense. Some states have expensive power and good return on investment for Solar (California for example.) my California house has a 7kwh solar system.

http://s18.postimg.org/sqryxjdy1/Screen_Shot_2014_04_03_at_3_28_06_PM.png
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But California has very expensive tiered power. I live in Texas (that is my rental property in Cali) and our power is .09kwh, so that solar system above would be more expensive than just using city power. So it really just depends on your specific variables. But it is extremely rare to generate power less costly than what you can get from the city. California is just unique...

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April 03, 2014, 08:43:58 PM
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Oh and HHO generator is snake oil. If you get an HHO generator you might as well order that 125Th system for $10k..  Cheesy

There is no magic for free/cheap power. Wind/solar are typically more expensive than city power.
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April 03, 2014, 09:39:18 PM
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This doesn't make any sense. Some states have expensive power and good return on investment for Solar (California for example.) my California house has a 7kwh solar system.




But California has very expensive tiered power. I live in Texas (that is my rental property in Cali) and our power is .09kwh, so that solar system above would be more expensive than just using city power. So it really just depends on your specific variables. But it is extremely rare to generate power less costly than what you can get from the city. California is just unique...

Hope that helps.
over the long run i presume this may be viable. i am in the very sunny uk so solar outputs may be half of yours. im just looking for a way to shave some usage off seen as i have ordered a miner thet may or may not break even on power consumption.

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April 03, 2014, 09:46:16 PM
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Oh and HHO generator is snake oil. If you get an HHO generator you might as well order that 125Th system for $10k..  Cheesy

There is no magic for free/cheap power. Wind/solar are typically more expensive than city power.
i can make one for pretty much nothing from pretty much "scrap" metal but obviously it needs electricity to run. but far less than pulling direct off the grid

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April 03, 2014, 10:37:38 PM
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Just build one of these. Technically you get paid to exercise (you get BTC as payment)

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April 03, 2014, 10:37:55 PM
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Oh and HHO generator is snake oil. If you get an HHO generator you might as well order that 125Th system for $10k..  Cheesy

There is no magic for free/cheap power. Wind/solar are typically more expensive than city power.

HHO generators are not snake oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

However, turning it into electricity burning it wouldn't make a lot of sense as you need electricity in the first place to generate HHO.

Options like solar however are totally viable. Yes, you pay a lot up front for the cells and infrastructure, but eventually they will pay themselves back as the Sun won't burn out for another few billion years or so, and if you generate more than you need your local power company will pay you for it if you are grid tied. My local power company even offers grants and other help for solar projects, and encourages green power development. How this is "more expensive" than city power escapes me.



As an alternative energy researcher myself I have been thinking of how a mining company could implement those technologies to power itself, though many are very underdeveloped and/or are just BS.

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April 03, 2014, 10:47:22 PM
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Just build one of these. Technically you get paid to exercise (you get BTC as payment)




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now thats what im talkin bout! id be inside out by the time i earnt a btc

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April 03, 2014, 10:48:01 PM
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Oh and HHO generator is snake oil. If you get an HHO generator you might as well order that 125Th system for $10k..  Cheesy

There is no magic for free/cheap power. Wind/solar are typically more expensive than city power.

HHO generators are not snake oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

However, turning it into electricity burning it wouldn't make a lot of sense as you need electricity in the first place to generate HHO.

Options like solar however are totally viable. Yes, you pay a lot up front for the cells and infrastructure, but eventually they will pay themselves back as the Sun won't burn out for another few billion years or so, and if you generate more than you need your local power company will pay you for it if you are grid tied. My local power company even offers grants and other help for solar projects, and encourages green power development. How this is "more expensive" than city power escapes me.



As an alternative energy researcher myself I have been thinking of how a mining company could implement those technologies to power itself, though many are very underdeveloped and/or are just BS.
run miners hot enough to run a steam generator least at the farms that is.

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April 03, 2014, 10:53:30 PM
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Oh and HHO generator is snake oil. If you get an HHO generator you might as well order that 125Th system for $10k..  Cheesy

There is no magic for free/cheap power. Wind/solar are typically more expensive than city power.

HHO generators are not snake oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

However, turning it into electricity burning it wouldn't make a lot of sense as you need electricity in the first place to generate HHO.

Options like solar however are totally viable. Yes, you pay a lot up front for the cells and infrastructure, but eventually they will pay themselves back as the Sun won't burn out for another few billion years or so, and if you generate more than you need your local power company will pay you for it if you are grid tied. My local power company even offers grants and other help for solar projects, and encourages green power development. How this is "more expensive" than city power escapes me.



As an alternative energy researcher myself I have been thinking of how a mining company could implement those technologies to power itself, though many are very underdeveloped and/or are just BS.

I disagree on solar - doing some calculations before on http://www.solarminer.com/ their platform shows that you must:

a) buy replacement cells at least once per year
b) need to scale up your nighttime power cells such that they can power a device for a minimum of 12 hours but a desireability for a higher amount of time for rainy and cloudy days

The other underlying issue is that solar STILL isn't very mature in terms of efficiency and require constant maintenance - dust on top of the glass reduces efficiency for example.

According to this article published yesterday, 20.9 percent is the efficiency record http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2014/04/solar-frontier-sets-another-pv-efficiency-record

That's bloody terrible. 

OTOH hydroelectric power seems constant provided you have an ample river or stream close by. 

Human powered mining equipment that is hosted in a paid membership gym....hmmmm

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April 03, 2014, 11:04:15 PM
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Oh and HHO generator is snake oil. If you get an HHO generator you might as well order that 125Th system for $10k..  Cheesy

There is no magic for free/cheap power. Wind/solar are typically more expensive than city power.

HHO generators are not snake oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

However, turning it into electricity burning it wouldn't make a lot of sense as you need electricity in the first place to generate HHO.

Options like solar however are totally viable. Yes, you pay a lot up front for the cells and infrastructure, but eventually they will pay themselves back as the Sun won't burn out for another few billion years or so, and if you generate more than you need your local power company will pay you for it if you are grid tied. My local power company even offers grants and other help for solar projects, and encourages green power development. How this is "more expensive" than city power escapes me.



As an alternative energy researcher myself I have been thinking of how a mining company could implement those technologies to power itself, though many are very underdeveloped and/or are just BS.

I disagree on solar - doing some calculations before on http://www.solarminer.com/ their platform shows that you must:

a) buy replacement cells at least once per year
b) need to scale up your nighttime power cells such that they can power a device for a minimum of 12 hours but a desireability for a higher amount of time for rainy and cloudy days

The other underlying issue is that solar STILL isn't very mature in terms of efficiency and require constant maintenance - dust on top of the glass reduces efficiency for example.

According to this article published yesterday, 20.9 percent is the efficiency record http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2014/04/solar-frontier-sets-another-pv-efficiency-record

That's bloody terrible.  

OTOH hydroelectric power seems constant provided you have an ample river or stream close by.  

Human powered mining equipment that is hosted in a paid membership gym....hmmmm
gonna have to stop you there on that one. me and a friend was thinking of a free of charge gym that ran a back warehouse of miners just about a week ago. fancy that. wouldnt need to be paid membership at mast subsidized sessions

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April 04, 2014, 01:02:18 AM
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Oh and HHO generator is snake oil. If you get an HHO generator you might as well order that 125Th system for $10k..  Cheesy

There is no magic for free/cheap power. Wind/solar are typically more expensive than city power.

HHO generators are not snake oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

However, turning it into electricity burning it wouldn't make a lot of sense as you need electricity in the first place to generate HHO.

Options like solar however are totally viable. Yes, you pay a lot up front for the cells and infrastructure, but eventually they will pay themselves back as the Sun won't burn out for another few billion years or so, and if you generate more than you need your local power company will pay you for it if you are grid tied. My local power company even offers grants and other help for solar projects, and encourages green power development. How this is "more expensive" than city power escapes me.



As an alternative energy researcher myself I have been thinking of how a mining company could implement those technologies to power itself, though many are very underdeveloped and/or are just BS.

Oh and HHO generator is snake oil. If you get an HHO generator you might as well order that 125Th system for $10k..  Cheesy

There is no magic for free/cheap power. Wind/solar are typically more expensive than city power.

HHO generators are not snake oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

However, turning it into electricity burning it wouldn't make a lot of sense as you need electricity in the first place to generate HHO.

Options like solar however are totally viable. Yes, you pay a lot up front for the cells and infrastructure, but eventually they will pay themselves back as the Sun won't burn out for another few billion years or so, and if you generate more than you need your local power company will pay you for it if you are grid tied. My local power company even offers grants and other help for solar projects, and encourages green power development. How this is "more expensive" than city power escapes me.



As an alternative energy researcher myself I have been thinking of how a mining company could implement those technologies to power itself, though many are very underdeveloped and/or are just BS.

Not snake old eh? Ok. Just use Cold fusion then. Look it has a Wikipedia entry too that means it is real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion


Using electrolysis to pull hydrogen out of water is simple. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water

But what HHO implies is that you can use perpetual motion to generate power http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion

This violates the laws of thermodynamics and preservation of energy. You cannot take energy out of water at a lower energy cost than the energy you get out of the water (hydrogen/HHO). HHO generators are snake oil.

Don't get my wrong, I'd love for them to work, obviously i'm a geek I have a 7kw solar array on my house. But they don't.

I could see them possibly working on a car to a limited extent since the alternator load doesn't really change with it's generation of power, so you could increase the efficiency of the engine theoretically by utilizing more of the energy, but you are never capturing more energy than it takes to gather that energy. No matter how efficient your system was you'd be better off unplugging it and plugging it directly into the wall. Whenever you convert energy you lose a significant amount of it. Think about the heat out miners generate, a car, etc. it's all energy lost (not lost but being converted into something you don't want). The more efficient the less heat.

If you have a stream or another form of stored energy (plutonium, stream, star (sun), etc.) you can capture some of that energy. But again it takes money to make money. If you want to invest 20k in a solar system so you can have 'free' power please do so. I did Smiley
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April 04, 2014, 05:15:30 AM
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The Current solution seems not so efficient. I have heard one thing about the material used on the solar plate, rare earth based versus flora brewed. It's been testing for at least six months.

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April 04, 2014, 06:18:32 AM
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HHO generators are not snake oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen

However, turning it into electricity burning it wouldn't make a lot of sense as you need electricity in the first place to generate HHO.

From the article you kindly posted:

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The energy required to generate the oxyhydrogen always exceeds the energy released by combusting it

HHO generators are a net negative. Worthless. Like snake oil.

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April 04, 2014, 06:34:52 AM
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I suppose it's all relative to your power usage, being only a hobby miner at 15gh/s my power usage is low.

I have 4 x 170 watt pv panels and a couple of soladin 600 micro grid tie inverters, that I picked up cheap a while back just to mess about with.

So what I do is not directly run my rig off the PV (well the soladins are plugged into the same ring main as the miners so in reality during the day it is) but offset the power usage by what my panels produce thought the day, so it works out atm anyway I'm not paying for any mining electricity usage.  Grin
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April 04, 2014, 08:45:24 AM
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get one of these, lol

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get one of these, lol

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The BAT uses a helium-filled, inflatable shell to lift to high altitudes where winds are stronger and more consistent than those reached by traditional tower-mounted turbines. High strength tethers hold the BAT steady and send electricity down to the ground.
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looks great and the application in a large scale excellent. but im sure in my detached house with small garden my neighbors would complain

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Well we had Tesla's magnetic generator but the government took it away from the people so oil companies can make a fortune...DEMOCRACY!
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Well we had Tesla's magnetic generator but the government took it away from the people so oil companies can make a fortune...DEMOCRACY!
wondered when the elusive tesla machine, death ray, thunder generator would crop up. free energy from the air yeah but that thing looked deathly

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Tidal power is free.   Hydro power is fairly efficient but you do need to live near a river or sea, so basically land rich but I still call it free if you are skilled enough

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