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September 10, 2025, 10:31:45 AM
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I can relate to the Escapism. Well I'm in the difficult time like more than a decade ago, having problems with my job and my personal life. And it just so happen that there was a new casino near my office. So what me and my office mates will do is after office, we will go and visit that new casino and play. And since I'm into a lot of stress and wanted to escape specially the my personal problem, then I turn into a gambling addict.

I'm just very thankful or very happy that I just snapped in time go to back to my life. Anyways, I didn't read the link of the other E's but for sure they could have laid it out that maybe not just me, but others could also attach themselves on the reasons why they gamble.


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September 10, 2025, 10:33:15 AM
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this is my understanding of the four Es. do you agree or no?
It is not bad to use gambling as a means to relax after work stress. But to see it as an escape route from realities is wrong. We should face our problems instead of substituting one challenge with another.  

Materialism will give rise to greed, which could facilitate gambling addiction. Anyone who sees gambling as a major source of income should be ready for disappointments.

Loss chasing is the highway to excessive gambling. People think they can always recover their losses by gambling more. acknowledging that gambling is a game of chance will help control gambling.

It should be overexcitement. Even responsible gambling brings excitement and that's the reason why we are involved. You can gamble with little funds and spread your gambling activities, instead of using large funds at once.  

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September 10, 2025, 11:24:05 AM
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i found a research which identified four psychological traits contributing to risk for problem gambling. these are the four Es: escape, esteem, excess and excitement.

escape: when people try to find an escape from stress and all their other problems through gambling, more problem arises and addiction happens
esteem: when people try to find their value through materialistic things and wins in gambling, addiction happens
excess: when people gamble excessively, that is when addiction happens
and excitement: people get excitement from gambling and they no longer know how to stop and that's when addiction happens

this is my understanding of the four Es. do you agree or no?
Well, perhaps these four factors are what cause someone to fall into the risk of gambling, or perhaps they could be called indicators. However, I believe these four words can also be a solution for a gambler or bettor, if they adopt a good mindset when gambling. Let me define them.

Escape: When people have a good mindset when gambling, and try to escape when they have received sufficient entertainment or additional entertainment (winnings), this can help prevent addiction.
Esteem: When people feel satisfied with the rewards they receive from gambling, this mindset is necessary to avoid addiction.
Excess: When people feel they have gambled excessively, this can be a solution.
Excitement: If people gamble solely for entertainment, and consider winnings as additional entertainment, then it is very important to avoid addiction.

If I may add, I would use the term "Essence of Gambling" as an important lesson fundamental to understanding the essence of gambling, which is essentially intended as a means of entertainment. I hope you understand what I am trying to say

 
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September 10, 2025, 11:58:16 AM
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i found a research which identified four psychological traits contributing to risk for problem gambling. these are the four Es: escape, esteem, excess and excitement.

escape: when people try to find an escape from stress and all their other problems through gambling, more problem arises and addiction happens
esteem: when people try to find their value through materialistic things and wins in gambling, addiction happens
excess: when people gamble excessively, that is when addiction happens
and excitement: people get excitement from gambling and they no longer know how to stop and that's when addiction happens

this is my understanding of the four Es. do you agree or no?

I agree with your sense of reasoning but can just put all in a single sentence since characters is holding emotions States responsible with whatever that outcomes results for gamblers.
So yes these attributes of persons who gambles and desires a short way to be come rich through gambling can be tempting to lead to an addiction. Excessive gambling is already habit of an addicted while responsible gamblers would stick to their budgets and plans while excitement while excitement is a common thing but letting it carry your emotions away could lead to addiction.

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September 10, 2025, 12:04:07 PM
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I can relate to the Escapism. Well I'm in the difficult time like more than a decade ago, having problems with my job and my personal life. And it just so happen that there was a new casino near my office. So what me and my office mates will do is after office, we will go and visit that new casino and play. And since I'm into a lot of stress and wanted to escape specially the my personal problem, then I turn into a gambling addict.
I am so sorry about this but you used it to learn that gambling can not be used to make money. Can I ask you a question? What really got you into gambling addiction? I think you were thinking that you can make money from gambling is the reason? I have been addicted before but what got me into the addiction is because I thought I can make money from it. When I started to gamble, I noticed my think was not true but just a misinformation from my mind.

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September 10, 2025, 12:44:31 PM
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I agree with you; the only thing I think is a problem with all these E's is excess because this is the only factor that can make one addicted to gambling if gambling excessively. I don't think the rest of the E's are so effective in making one become addicted. There is no way to take away excitement in gambling when one wins because winning is not easy in gambling, and if one eventually wins, it is expected to create excitement.

Excitement does not cause gambling addiction; it is lack of understanding and overconfidence that can lead one to be addicted to gambling, not excitement. If you can manage your gambling limits and not gamble excessively, it will be difficult, or even impossible, to get addicted to gambling.

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September 10, 2025, 02:03:10 PM
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People do all kinds of crazy shit without even knowing what it will lead to that is the mother of all problem including addiction. Anyone who gambles is not a problem but when they do it with no proper awareness or don't know their risk tolerance may lose more than what they should and end up runing financially and after a while they starts to propagate that gambling is but while the reality is the user who is at fault.

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September 10, 2025, 02:13:29 PM
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The result of the four Es is addiction to gambling. It is why you must use your control to prevent addiction from coming to you. You can escape from stress by playing gambling but you don't have to waste your money and time in gambling.

While esteem can make you fall deeper into gambling because you win and feel you are lucky. But that is the way of gambling tempting you and leading you deeper. The deeper you get into gambling, the more you spend of your money.

And excitement, people get excited in gambling and causes them to forget their limitations. So that makes them get addicted to gambling and makes it difficult to cure.

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September 10, 2025, 02:24:39 PM
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this is my understanding of the four Es. do you agree or no?
Sometimes individuals are too smart, that's how they measure, examine and identify problematic gamblers, sometimes to be understood for ordinary people to measure, research and identify them psychologically.

Like the points I saw at the source:
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Two groups of participants were selected for the 1-year follow-up interviews, including (1) persons who had gambling problems, high-risk alcohol abuse problems, and/or substance abuse problems (abuse group); and (2) a random selection of other persons from the original survey (random group). The results indicated that the "Excess" trait, which measures impulsive behavior, was predictive of relative increases in gambling problems for both groups over the 1-year period.

Of course the risk is a real problem for gamblers and also their behavior, in my assessment the Four E instrument is produced on the basis of the measurement of the source, Indeed that is the fact that happened in the field, regardless of what Four E or Four H, Four G. Everything can be accepted.

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September 10, 2025, 02:27:40 PM
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I can agree to escape, esteem and excitement as some reasons for excessive gambling. Excess isn't a reason, it's the situation that an addicted gambler finds himself.

I gamble to escape from being overwhelmed from the day's work , to decongest my mind and escape from the pending tasks from with that troubles my mind.

I don't gamble for esteem but I've people around me that do.  Esteem grabbling led me into addiction earlier, so I have a skill now which attend to my esteem.

 
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this is my understanding of the four Es. do you agree or no?
Here is my understanding of the four Es
escape: it is okay to escape but know exactly what you are escaping to... it is what they are escaping to and not from that leads to problem gambling. For example, escaping to a place you will have no responsibility and cannot take charge of your life is what leads to problem gambling.
excess: Moderation is key where there is no moderation, you already know what is present.
excitement: This one is just uncontrolled stimulation. Stimulation that leads to continuous release of dopamine without any check on it, leads to it problem gambling.  

This is my personal understanding of it.

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I can relate to the Escapism. Well I'm in the difficult time like more than a decade ago, having problems with my job and my personal life. And it just so happen that there was a new casino near my office. So what me and my office mates will do is after office, we will go and visit that new casino and play. And since I'm into a lot of stress and wanted to escape specially the my personal problem, then I turn into a gambling addict.
So sorry man for those stress, life is full of those stress anyone that has not fall victim to that will not know how these things are, I wanted to blame you but I most because you were actually looking for a very possible means to distract yourself from those problems of life which is not a bad thing to do but it is unfortunate that the distraction became a burden that was not meant to be, although reading through lines we will understand that it is almost impossible for anyone that's having some personal problem that thinks that he can distract himself with gambling that won't get addicted in the process, when anyone wants to distract himself with anything, the person goes too extreme and I understand that but am happy now that you're fine and have learnt too.

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i found a research which identified four psychological traits contributing to risk for problem gambling. these are the four Es: escape, esteem, excess and excitement.

escape: when people try to find an escape from stress and all their other problems through gambling, more problem arises and addiction happens
esteem: when people try to find their value through materialistic things and wins in gambling, addiction happens
excess: when people gamble excessively, that is when addiction happens
and excitement: people get excitement from gambling and they no longer know how to stop and that's when addiction happens

this is my understanding of the four Es. do you agree or no?

You came up with something very brilliant, let's start with excitement, people get this thrill when they gamble and they find it hard to understand why they become addicted, when gambling affects your mood it actually becomes a problem. Anything that you do to entertain yourself shouldn't make you happy or sad. People use gambling as an escape either from depression or life circumstances and this is unhealthy

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September 10, 2025, 03:34:17 PM
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I can agree to escape, esteem and excitement as some reasons for excessive gambling. Excess isn't a reason, it's the situation that an addicted gambler finds himself.

I gamble to escape from being overwhelmed from the day's work , to decongest my mind and escape from the pending tasks from with that troubles my mind.
Escapism works best to a length of self awareness, while we run from stress, turning back our head to check if its pacing faster or stopped right away, would help us determine the level at which we're to gamble. Casinos are not always the right means to escape a hectic day, due to its luring fun that could be interchanged to a challenging mood capable to risk our work flow in a flash. Trying to understand other ways to deal with the stress and observing whether it has realived over time can help curtail constant reliance on gambling as a safe zone.

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September 10, 2025, 03:41:48 PM
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this is my understanding of the four Es. do you agree or no?
I only agree with the term "excess",a gambler becomes addicted to gambling when he gambles excessively and irresponsibly.It's quite obvious that chasing losses and wanting to become rich overnight through gambling are attributes that contribute to gambling excessively.I don't agree with the term "excitement" it is natural for we humans to get excited after a win or a reward,but it's important never to get carried away by your wins when it comes gambling because it's outcome may affect ones emotions negatively.

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i found a research which identified four psychological traits contributing to risk for problem gambling. these are the four Es: escape, esteem, excess and excitement.

escape: when people try to find an escape from stress and all their other problems through gambling, more problem arises and addiction happens
esteem: when people try to find their value through materialistic things and wins in gambling, addiction happens
excess: when people gamble excessively, that is when addiction happens
and excitement: people get excitement from gambling and they no longer know how to stop and that's when addiction happens

this is my understanding of the four Es. do you agree or no?
By the logic you are posting here, I could be seen as addicted to many things. I love food, love sex, love movies, and probably 100s of other things that could fall into your categories.

Seems like you're main point is addiction. I think addiction could be better described and isn't as simple as well you enjoy this activity too much, you must be an addict.

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By the logic you are posting here, I could be seen as addicted to many things. I love food, love sex, love movies, and probably 100s of other things that could fall into your categories.

Seems like you're main point is addiction. I think addiction could be better described and isn't as simple as well you enjoy this activity too much, you must be an addict.

And you are addicted to many things, as I am... we are all addicts. It's when we enjoy some activity too much... It's hard for me to imagine someone being addicted to something they don't enjoy.

So the question is, what now? Should we get rid of everything, become Buddhist monks, and go in search of nirvana? Smiley

 
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this is my understanding of the four Es. do you agree or no?

fantastic, mate ,  you're basically right. The 'Four Es' Escape, Esteem, Excess, Excitement is actually a validated risk scale, (i've read the article it stated 40 items) that is used to predict problem gambling, and your list fits. Escape, gambling to escape negative emotions, is very strongly linked to disaster. Low self-esteem is also often connected to problem play. Excitement or seeking something different sometimes leads to risky play, but the results are mixed. Then there's the excess, which is clearly a result of habit. That's a solid framework IMO, brother , but it would be better if it was paired with a clinical assessment to make more of a difference Smiley

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September 10, 2025, 07:40:57 PM
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I agree that these four E's are some of the factors why people engage in gambling.


Basically, they are not the reason why people engage in gambling. I believe it is the reason why people get addicted in gambling.

The reason why people go into gambling can vary from one person to another. Life event is one good reason why a lot of people in engage in gambling. Except from those claim they gamble fun, when life strikes a person he looks for every means to make extra bucks.

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September 10, 2025, 11:40:22 PM
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Expectations and Entertainment in my opinion is missing, in a scenario of escape from stress on feels the need to get him or her self entertained and followed by the rest of your aforementioned Es and right in there something happens regardless of win or loss the expectations that one will be successful or hit huge wins and other factors are the reason for addiction. this is just my opinion.
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