Do we really need the gender option in our profile page?

[lovesmayfamilis]

If the thread starter decides to continue this discussion, you could add a question along the lines of "Is age really that important on a forum? Does it matter, and will people be honest in their answers?" I know people who are upfront about age, but I also see some nonsense being written in answers.

[apogio]

If the thread starter decides to continue this discussion, you could add a question along the lines of "Is age really that important on a forum? Does it matter, and will people be honest in their answers?" I know people who are upfront about age, but I also see some nonsense being written in answers.

To be honest, I am kinda disappointed with how I treated the whole situation and that's why I haven't answered since yesterday.

Well, obviously your example is correct, most people write nonsense (negative numbers, or huge numbers etc). The reason must mainly be that they decide to add a splash of humour to this objectively irrelevant question.

Jet Cash though said that it matters to him to know the "demographics" of bitcoin adoption, meaning he finds value in knowing if more women adopt it. I guess it's also important to see older people adopting it as well. I believe there will be many people who think about it the same way.

So, I don't have a lot more to add, apart from the numbered list of conclusions that I 've posted above.

[Bozza]

I agree. It isn't a big deal. You can leave the gender option unset if you don't want to specify anything.
If an individual is really bothered and wants to express themselves in their own words, they can always do so in "Personal Text" or the signature!

[mindrust]

I am one of those who posted a huge number on my profile age. It says “age” but it doesn’t specify the type of age. Is it mental age or biological age? I might be somewhere between 0 and 100 biologically but mentally I might be way above or under these levels. As of today my profile page says I am 1158 years old. Obviously that’s biologically not possible. Then there are two other possible answers. Either I am joking or I am as wise as motherfucking gandalf the white. Some people also post negative numbers. Again 2 possible outcomes. Either they are soft-trolling or they are younger than an unborn child.

[JollyGood]

Well, just adding to your comments members that use any of the profile fields are not committed to use genuine information. We have seen all sorts of weird details being shared by members that could simply not be true, from their location to their age and even more.

I agree. It isn't a big deal. You can leave the gender option unset if you don't want to specify anything.
If an individual is really bothered and wants to express themselves in their own words, they can always do so in "Personal Text" or the signature!

[Joy_learns_crypto]

[ And no, I absolutely don't think there should be a spot to enter that info in.  How are you going to know who's telling the truth anyway?  People who want any sort of privacy are either going to leave it blank or just lie about it, so IMO it's just useless.

But once again this is a decision for Theymos to make.  We can argue back and forth here until the next halving or the one after that, but unless the Big Boss decides to change things, there's not a damn thing we can do ourselves.

It’s a pity that there are people who would lie about their gender, I don’t think gender should be something someone should lie about it should be something one wants to be addressed by, also I don’t believe anyone should get preferences based on their gender but rather on their contributions.
If you are a man or lady cool but make sure you are able to contribute substantially and especially now that this is a large forum and some people might choose to identify in there own way you work should be more important than gender.

[m2017]

I 've seen this thread yesterday: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5454729
The OP has literally posted that another user dared to say that he is a man, when in reality he is a woman. Or the opposite, I mean who cares anyway?!

How did OP know that the man was actually a woman? Does he have telepathy? And what if the woman "feels" like a man?

What does gender mean on the forum? What is important here is useful actions, voiced thoughts and technical knowledge, not the label "man" or "woman".

By the way, what should we do in this case, since there are already more genders in the world than 2?

But this case made me wonder if we really need to have a gender field in our profile page. And I am asking that because I find it strange that people actually care about it. Personally, I do not consider it important enough, as in it won't affect the way I talk to someone and the way we exchange ideas.

I am opening up a very broad discussion, I know.

Oh, yeah. The gender field in the profile is vital to the existence of this forum.

In my opinion, it is completely unnecessary, because it has no meaning for communication on bitcointalk.

And besides, how are you going to identify users' gender? Checking by photo? Otherwise, the meaning of the gender field is completely lost.  

Let's start with the fact that there are only two options, which in itself is controversial and has supporters on both sides.
I argue that one of the following should apply:
(a) there should be a "Gender" option with free text for selection and not a dropdown menu with predetermined options.
(b) there should not even be a field for it on the profile page. It is common for social forums to have such a field, but...

I choose "(b)".

[apogio]

How did OP know that the man was actually a woman? Does he have telepathy? And what if the woman "feels" like a man?

Apparently he has telepathy, because he knows (says) that I am a woman too. And apparently, that's also very bad in his mind.

In my opinion, it is completely unnecessary, because it has no meaning for communication on bitcointalk.

And besides, how are you going to identify users' gender? Checking by photo? Otherwise, the meaning of the gender field is completely lost.  

Let's start with the fact that there are only two options, which in itself is controversial and has supporters on both sides.
I argue that one of the following should apply:
(a) there should be a "Gender" option with free text for selection and not a dropdown menu with predetermined options.
(b) there should not even be a field for it on the profile page. It is common for social forums to have such a field, but...

I choose "(b)".

Yeah I was leaning towards (b) as well, but most people think we should leave it untouched, which means that theymos is unlikely to consider changing it. Anyway, it's not a big deal, but I'd like it being gone.

[Excimer]

This is the dumbest thread on the forum.

Who else needs to repeat that it is not necessary to indicate gender in the Bitcointalk account profile, and if you do indicate it, it does not have to match yours. But this is a just bureaucratic question in this topic. And I just excatly answered the this bureaucratic question posed in this topic.

But this stupid bureaucratic question is just a screen under which lies another hidden question asked by this woman. An open question posed in the topic is not what the apogio wants to know, like most women who never ask directly.

Apogio wants exactly this answer:

Personally, I don’t give a damn whether the user’s gender is indicated or not in the profile. It is enough for me to talk to absolutely any user here to understand what gender he is. This is how I exposed Vilji. Sometimes he behaved not like a man, but like a gay. I immediately began digging for facts and found his female twitter profile. Voila. She is a woman. Which she proved by deleting her female twitter profile after her exposure.

[promise444c5]

If the thread starter decides to continue this discussion, you could add a question along the lines of "Is age really that important on a forum? Does it matter, and will people be honest in their answers?" I know people who are upfront about age, but I also see some nonsense being written in answers.

People can’t be forced to be honest in their answers .. even physically if I lie to you about my age then you will still believe it.. Now how worse could that be when it comes to virtual interaction..
Fine there are people who would actually be honest about these things , I could believe it to some extent but that won’t make me surprised if I get to know same person is something else they claim In reality.
It doesn’t hurt to have such sections on a forum either..

[LTU_btc]

OP, there is lot of things that isn't really needed on this forum. All these obselette media like Skype, ICQ, AIM, MSN, YIM. Or things like age and location. It comes by default on this very old forum software and admins don't see this as important enough things that they would remove it. And as long as it's optional thing, I don't really care. Maybe there is people who want to reveal their gender.

Let's start with the fact that there are only two options, which in itself is controversial and has supporters on both sides.

I know that topic isn't about it, but if you already said this, I'll reply that I don't see how it's contraversial. There is two genders and the rest is woke shit.

[GazetaBitcoin]

this case made me wonder if we really need to have a gender field in our profile page. And I am asking that because I find it strange that people actually care about it.

I just noticed this topic now and I thought to drop a thought.

Your topic reminded me of an old topic of mine, Suggestion to change the obsolete social media from account info. Apparently, my suggestion to eliminate the obsolete social media fields was discussed before.

However, from theymos' answer I understand that such changes on the profile page are not easy to do and they are on the lower part of his to-do list. Since the gender field is located in the same place, I believe it is as difficult to be changed / eliminated as the social media fields are...

So to answer your question, although the gender field may be irrelevant, I don't see it being removed at any time soon, for same reasons for which obsolete social media fields still exist.

As a side note, I found nullius' post very interesting, as a reply to theymos' statement and I was curious to see what theymos will say. Sadly, he never answered...

[Doan9269]

The gender option may still remains as it has been always, now left to us to decide on what we want and how we could apply justice to whatever thing we claim from this forum, to the best of my knowledge, no one even cares of who is who, as we can also see a number of us here appearing with our privacy integrity, anyone can choose to claim what he wants to be identified of in the forum, being made open also requiree integrity from us in choosing the right gender we are, because of avoiding future mistakes that could trace back to the gender we once claimed to be.

[JollyGood]

What are the chances the fields will remain unchanged at least until/unless there is an upgrade of the forum? Having those fields does not negatively impact the forum in any capacity therefore there will not be any urgency for admin to act. I suppose that would re-open the conversation about if a new forum will ever become a reality.

[NotATether]

What are the chances the fields will remain unchanged at least until/unless there is an upgrade of the forum? Having those fields does not negatively impact the forum in any capacity therefore there will not be any urgency for admin to act. I suppose that would re-open the conversation about if a new forum will ever become a reality.

You don't need to create a new forum to add another dropdown option or radio button.

That's pretty much all this request entails. "Not Specified" and that's about it.

[JollyGood]

I cannot disagree with you. It seems as though nothing will change (adding or removing fields and options) and it does not add nor remove anything from the forum at all. If there ever will be a new forum, I am fairly confident a lot of the issues that have been highlighted will be addressed.

You don't need to create a new forum to add another dropdown option or radio button.

That's pretty much all this request entails. "Not Specified" and that's about it.

[Ronsbit]

Nobody cares your gender here and nobody cares to know about it as long as you are communicating something tangible, your presence counts and your ideas speaks for you. This is an anonymous platform and it should remain the way it is and besides even if one tells you their gender here you never can tell if they are sincerely telling you the truth so why push to know the gender except it is a fellow here you know one in one which you can confidently address by their gender but as far as internet is concerned "everyone is a he" until proven otherwise.
It is fine if the gender option is made available but it should not be a thing of compulsion as members should be left with the option of choosing to put it or not. As far as I am concerned, it is not necessary and I choose to remain anonymous since it is inline with the forum standing policy.

[GeorgeJohn]

For me it's not necessary to know gender of each other, because if you wants to know gender of anyone if it's male or female, you know if you are close to the user

Secondly, your regular conversation with someone can give you the insight to know the gender without asking to know, knowing gender or not, is not important as we may think

Here, many people think in unique way, some people may decide to conclude that a particular person is a woman or a man, but it's not important in this forum to know...from my point of view, what should be important is what you render, tender as a suggestions to the community.

[suzanne5223]

There's a quote that says, "If it doesn't add value to your life, it isn't meant for you. Let go and make space for something better."
If the option does not add value to this forum, than what we already have. I don't see any reason to add it to the profile page option.
Second, if we fully want to practise the no doxxing on this forum, then the option or features that could give a little or more information about users of this forum shouldn't be added.
Unless the no dox rule is not written in stone.

[Jostern]

In my own opinion I don’t really think this gender of a thing is really important, because in this space I will think it doesn’t add anything to us, if it was so important I think the administrators would have done that to apply that as options, I also see people talking about the age options as well, this things doesn’t really add anything to our lives, this options doesn’t add any value to the forum as well so it’s never important, humans can be something else, if the administration decides to add the gender identity, I’m sure there will be a situation were some individuals will present themselves as women when they’re men, and women will present as men , so I would say it doesn’t change or add anything to the forum.